Awesome. I'd love to see the same type of video done on the BD-2 Blues Driver. I have a stock one and I've used it for 10 years and it's really tough to get it off my board. I absolutely love it. It'd be interesting to see the difference between a stock one, the Waza version, and Dan's Keeley modded one.
I’ll always love the way Dan’s inner Kim Thayil comes roaring out when he first digs into a distortion pedal. Very distinctive but not quite *that* tune 😉 Nice work as always fellas!
I reckon that super-scoop is why the DS-1 (and the Big Muff) worked so well for grunge and grungalike music in the 90s. You can play those huge fifths with added open strings, make a big angry cloud of harmonics and it won't get in the way of the vocals. Kicking a tubescreamer or a klon in after a DS-1 can give a nice flash of lightning out of that soft rumbly cloud. Weeeew widdlidloodleedle Bwoooooow.
i've always suspected that's a big part of how Kurt Cobain got such a huge sound out of a pretty primitive setup - he considered the DS-1/DS-2 to be central to his guitar tone, but would typically run it into a Fender Twin or Mesa Boogie preamp with the mid control maxed out.
@@SpencerJMusic Throughout his career, actually - Bleach was recorded using a borrowed 60s Fender Twin Reverb. Before recording Nevermind, he purchased a Mesa/Boogie Studio .22 preamp which he ran through Crown or Crest power amps, but also used a Fender Bassman and Vox AC30 (I think at Butch Vig’s insistence) in the studio - “Lithium” is a Bassman and Big Muff, iirc, which explains its tighter low end. Then I believe all of In Utero was recorded using a Fender Twin Reverb, although one of the speakers and/or tubes were dying or dead in it - which he didn’t let anyone fix because he liked how it made the amp sound, iirc. Steve Albini doesn’t layer tons of guitar tracks over each other like Butch Vig likes to - check out “Cherub Rock” by Smashing Pumpkins, which he also produced, and the intro is very “Smells Like Teen Spirit,” but with like 20 Big Muff guitar tracks layered over each other - so afaik, most of In Utero was recorded with a DS-2 into a cranked clean Twin Reverb.
When I started playing so very long ago, I honestly didn't know that people used any other pedal than the ds1! I didn't understand what else anyone would need. Great stuff, great show.
Fun fact. The Keeley Modded DS-1 and the MXR 78 Distortion are the same pedal. MXR essentially cloned the Keeley pedal for this one. I accidentally have both. I found out about this later on. I've tested them side by side and they are basically identical outside of pot tolerances. I wonder how the new Waza compares to them, or if it too is the same mod.
using a really clean amp could reveal the real nature of each era of these DS1s. But by feeding the DS1s to even a lightly distorted amp the attack and tonal attributes of each gets masked.
I special ordered a Super Shifter mid '0s. Hated it. Harmonist would have been better....they weren't around. So swap this for a Micro Cube and a DS !. I love both.
Oh god, custom mode on waza is one of the best dirt stages for leads I've ever heard. It's so full, that mid is so juicy. And that DS-1 gain structure is still so sweet. It sings, but it has a little bit of hair around it. Like a smooth fuzz. It's so...Gilmour-y. It's just beautiful. Boss has done it again. Another win, another icon is born.
I still have my 1989 MIT which I bought for my 21st Birthday. I also had a 1984 MIJ and the black 40th Anniversary unit. They all sound the same, fizzy, fuzzy and nasty. It’s a great sounding pedal if you have a cheap solid state amp and cheap guitar. But I haven’t used one since 1994.
Wow! Loved you churning out the rock riffage Mick! Well done! And that Halo is so good at giving great delay effect while still letting the attack in front clearly. Awesome! Really impressed with the Waza. Had no clue it was so good. It makes a good lead tone pedal.
Totally agree with the WazaCraft some magic extra mid there. I tried out several dS-1s before our most recent Electrasy gigs this summer-eventually I went with a Kemper instead of a board for just sheer ease of use - but the WazaCraft version was hands down the sound!!
will you guys ever make an episode about Black Country Customs/Laney line of pedals, I think there are some killer affordable pedals in that line and they are made in England?
>> I suggest that you guys do an... 'Up The Ante' Show, to 'one up' JHS, who just featured (87) pedals... live. Someone stated in comments of that show, that "you'd never see that on That Pedal Show. Come on !! 'Man Style' !! 👍🎼🎸🔊🎶👊👊
I just swapped my 2008 ds-1 for a Waza today, and it was definitely the right choice. The Waza has the same classic ds-1 sound but it's so much more full and tidy than the classic. I've still got my mid 2000's SD-1 in front of it running into a Marshall origin 20c and it's just so good... Highly recommend.
Awesome video guys. Dan's playing from 6:40 on was great . . . I was like 'THAT IS IT! That is what I want my guitar to sound like Keep the video's coming. So good
Damn that intro tone on that Tele is fire. Probably the best high gain traditional tele tone I’ve ever heard. Traditional meaning it’s not got a HB or rail HB in the bridge. That’s not a stacked HB right ? Yep my suspicion confirmed as soon as they switched to a HB the DS1 sounds like a fuzz to me.
Im a boss fanatic.i prefer the original ds1 i have one with silverscrew 70s one.i love it.also i have the sd1 first year and the ds2 first year.and the od1 silver screw from 1978.i have tried all distortion and overdrive pedals new ones .and nothing come close to the original japanese boss.👍👍👍❤🌷🌷🌷
Oh, man. You boys played fantastically and demonstrate how to let the sound/feel take you to the space the pedal harkens. There is really no great choice other than just having all 3. LOL. My new GigRig power stuff arrived yesterday, so I've been here sorting out my rig!!!! Love it!
8:50 Let it be so noted that here Mick first utters "we ought to have a Super Strat with a humbucker in the bridge..." I'm not an enabler, you're enabling! 😂
Great vid, guys, as always! Would have been good to include the Boss OD-200 and compare the Distortion (DS-1) setting and it's 3 band EQ with those pedals. It might have been able to match all those 3 DS-1 pedals.
Growing up a Vintage style Fender strat Into my 2016 DS 1 was my sound for a long time, I still enjoy that sound to this day, Im actually excited to try it with the waza as the distortion pedal I got after my first pedal (the DS-1) was a fuzz face, and this seems to sit somewhere in the middle!
The DS1 is awesome. Its really flexible. I use mine with a strat and marshall origin. The tone control is a bit bonkers I tend to keep it low. It takes a boost like a tube screamer well to get that modern marshall tone.
I'm officially old! I am the proud owner of a vintage gen-1, good-condition, silver screw, MIJ em-dash DS-1. The thing is, it was not vintage when high-school me bought it in 1980 😄
For me is the attack. DS-1 is known as a bee-hive cuz depending on your set up that attack sounds harsh and spiky. But when diled right it sounds almost fuzz like the way the note's bity attack, being not so low-passed as other pedals just shines and cuts through.
Ooh this is going to be a good one. I’ve seen these Waza pedals come up a thousand times and have never understood what they are. Plus they’re using a Golden for reverb but not on the plate setting! Sold!
This brings back nightmares of Peavy Bandits and cheap Kramer guitars. The DS1 should have been named the equalizer. It made every rig sound equally bad.
Intro: camera cuts to three DS-1s on a board. Cutaway: that's me falling out of my chair laughing. I shall have to get my OD-1 t-shirt to cope. It's my safe place in times of need.
Hey guys, I watched your "youre using your ds1 wrong" video, and you never tried using it like Mark Spears, (guitarist from khruangbin) he uses it into a clean amp (fender deluxe reverb) with all the distortion and tone turned completely down, and just using the level control, and uses the guitars volume to ride the sound! Please have a try off camera and see what you think, I've started using it like that into my twin reverb and it sounds killer! Cheers
I don't understand how there's this seemingly growing idea, mostly online, that the DS-1 is a "bad pedal." Or that it's the one used to make fun of other pedals. It's literally one of the best ever created. It's just awesome, and it doesn't COST $500! It's actually affordable for damn near anyone who wants to play and get a great distortion tone. I've had one since the mid-90s, and I'll go to my grave with it.
@20:00 is personally my favorite DS1 sound I have heard, yet. I do feel like that output boost did something just right to that amp combination. Of course, as I finish this Dan grabs the SG, soooo….we shall see.
I can relate to the Shreddie in my Eddie 50+ years ago when I plugged in my first distortion pedal. I must say it feels the same today. You will never lose that feeling.
I particularly enjoyed the Waza DS-1 and that flanger combination and I may now have to pick this pair up. That beautiful SG of Dan's is money. Well done boys.
@7:20 Mick seriously reconsiders show choices, maybe we should stop here????? It's hard for me to understand why you guys spend so much time here and before trying to make the DS-1 sound good, and you have never played the OD-3. I think you might love that one.
Got the Wind through the Trees & Halo at the Andy TImmons event last Saturday and trying to get my head around both of them. The WTTT replaced my MXR Analog Flanger. The halo may require my programing side of my brain :) Dan had questions about the 3 DS1 but you answered them. So they are all through hole correct? Great show guys! Gordon
I just can't make peace with DS-1, but I really like AT (angry charlie I suppose, but the compression/saturation "wattage" toggle is fantastic) and Rattler (still have yet to grab a RAT or Rattler though). Rattler has just the right eq and saturation as opposed to DS-1. But I'll be damned, I think the DS-1 had a bit more special sound with Mick's old strat. Almost that choked fuzzy sound with hard lopass filter. Enough with the "we don't have a heavy rock guitar" nonsense. You got PRS and Les Pauls. PAF style pickups, perhaps hotrodded are plenty even for more extreme metal genres, it's usually the amp choices if not just drive pedal into open Marshall. Like Adam Jones of Tool and Bill Steer of Carcass playing Les Pauls and classic Gibsons into older Marshalls (often blending with hotrodded Marshall style amps). Or djent guys switching to single coils. Unless you want to sound like a stereotypical american metal band with EMG81 with no breath in the sound. But I've ranted about this enough before. I can't figure out how Steve Vai made DS-1 in the chain sound so good. Perhaps all the effects he had working as just the right kind of filter? 5 PM "Grenich" meantime? I still love to use that term because I can't get over the pronunciation.
Great stuff! Do y'all know if there are differences in the other versions of the Jam Rattlers? I have an older version, with the snake coiled up on the pedal (the LED is the snake's eye), and my tone control seems different. It's like I've got to have it all the way down, or almost all the way down, to get into a lower mid usable range. It's weird. ALSO, are you LEGENDS planning to check out the Kernom Ridge? I've got one, and I find it EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE. I'd really like to hear your collective thoughts on this really interesting new boost/overdrive/distortion "morphing-analog" contraption! It's strange to me that we haven't heard anything from you guys about this new pedal.
I always wondered why Mick havent been using his DGT, it is a dream guitar for me, and he always sounded brilliant on it!!! imo, one of the best sounding guitars in the TPS collection.
Sounds cool, but missed a major benefit by not allowing you to switch between modes with the foot switch while playing. Just using an EQ or a boost before a standard DS-1 will give you essentially the Wasa. Unless you just don't like the scooped sound at all and would never use it.
Ha! I’ve had one of these pedals since 2005, glad to know it’s not a piece of junk. May have to get it out and actually use it if I can ever get the house to myself so I don’t annoy everybody.
First Thanks for all the interesting stuff!!! Would love to have an episode about buzz words like "fizzle", explaining more your common vocabulary, explaining top end and bottom end frequency related, bass, treble, mids and stuff like that. Cloud be fun.
Angry Charlie all day long, but pity you didn't have a V3. Granted I'm a bit biased in that I have a V3 Angry Charlie, but for damned good reason. I never got the hang of very many BOSS or RAT pedals except maybe SD-1, and recently tried to give RAT another chance again with a RAT 2 and just can't get me head around it. I wish there would have been some MXR distortions in the shootout and would love to see more from a Super Badass Distortion then maybe toss in a Distortion + for good measure.
So am I dreaming or did TPS used to be available as a podcast? I have less and less time to sit in front of youtube, but would love to keep up. I looked for a podcast version today and couldn't find it, thanks for any info.
7:40 Did you power your ancient 1980 DS-1 properly? It takes 12V, not 9V. Well, it technically eats 9V internally but it has some voltage drop internally because of proprietary Boss power supply back in that decade that was actually providing 12 volts. Some people mod their really old Boss pedals (some don’t even work at all with 9V) adding a jumper around the diode and resistor or what was it that drops the voltage from 12V to 9V so the pedal can take 9V directly. My 1983 DS-1 was having a reduced headroom and farting at full guitar volume, I had to roll back the volume knob on the guitar a bit to make it work. I was guessing whether this ancient pedal was not built for that high pickup output or something. Once I watched a soldering guy, building amps, does pedal repair. And he was “repairing" a Boss chorus pedal from the 80s, and it turned out the pedal wasn’t broken, it was only expecting 12V. Some time later I said to myself: “wait a sec, this DS-1 is from that time, it must be expecting 12V, the diode was always too dim, it might be not because of how old the diode is but because of the undervoltage”. I switched 9V to 12V on my power supply and voila! The sound improved and it’s performing just fine on full guitar volume. No farting/drowning/choking. And the diode got brighter, feels normal now.
I like the DS, not sure it will take the place of my OD3 though. That being said, I'm a luddite and most overdrive/distortion pedals sounds broadly very similar to me. 😬
I always find myself cringing when the ds-1 kicks in, that top end fizziness seems brittle at times. By the end of this video I was liking the sound. I swapped mine off the board for a Rat, not sure I’ll remove the Rat but I may re add the ds-1 at some point along side ?
Oh how I wish Dave Gregory was in on this one. Was surprised he wasn’t mentioned, however when the lithe sexy Rock Mick showed up to kick Stodgy Blooze Mick aside for a bit, that was spectacular.
Great show! I purchased a DS-1 based on your last DS-1 video. The mid push on the WAZA DS-1 is magic! I’m looking for a versatile treble boost. Could the Xotic Super Sweet get close to that mid presence of the DS-1?
Wow that was a sound today! The Telecaster sounded so huge today! The Stratocaster never has a bad sound! DTG was cool, but the SG Junior yeah buddy that was a monster tone!
Second comment, apologies- my experience of higher gain pickups such as the JB or the Super Distortion is they have bucket loads of mid? Maybe that affected the voicing decisions?
Old one sounds like Vinyl, middle one is early mastered CD’s, new one sounds like MP3. Not entirely sure which one is better, but I still get the feeling in a band situation for a value price old CD’s will do.
I love this show but I have to ask.. Why is Dan always so biased towards older vintage equipment? Before watching any shootout video, I can literally guess every single time which he'd like better. I'd be curious to see some blindshoot outs to see if it's more a romanticized love for vintage equipment just because it's vintage.
From my experience every vintage MIJ Boss drive pedal sounds smoother and more pleasant than the later MIT versions. Never had the Waza version but listening to your test is not as good as the vintage neither
Looking at Dan's beautiful SG; is it just me or are the controls and 12th fret markers so close to the edge they look like they're trying to escape? Watch out Dan, they're biding their time for that bid for freedom...
Well only up to the 1980 vs modern version and already I learn there's no point in the vintage DS1'1 The modern seems to me to easily hold its own....I didn't expect that!
I had a current production DS-1, picked up the Waza DS-1 and recently also got a DS-2. Oddly enough, by a large margin, the DS-2 is my favorite. Turns out that what I have in my head as “That 90’s, alternative, DS-1 sound” was found much more readily in the DS-2 than it was in either the stock or Waza DS-1. In fact, any of the complaints people usually have with a DS-1 (low output, scoopy midrange, can’t handle high output pups, shrill buzzy tone control) seem to have all been addressed when Boss was designing mode 1 on the DS-2. So the other two are gone and my preference for orange distortion boxes rests at the DS-2.
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Ahh thanks so much everyone! Definitely feeling better after some tough weeks. I appreciate all the love and your clean tone was a huge help ❤️
Awesome. I'd love to see the same type of video done on the BD-2 Blues Driver. I have a stock one and I've used it for 10 years and it's really tough to get it off my board. I absolutely love it. It'd be interesting to see the difference between a stock one, the Waza version, and Dan's Keeley modded one.
yes, once AT returns that Keeley moded one to Dan, haha 😂
@@vladimirpavlovic9488 exactly, I saw him have it on his board for a Sweetwater video a few weeks ago!
@@vladimirpavlovic9488 good point lol
absolutely, please do it for the BD-2 and also for the SD-1 !!!
I've consistently used mine from the nineties since the nineties, it's fantastic. I like the idea of showing several side by side.
The video description is pure gold (it always is, but this time -you deserve a medal, Mick).
Truly! That was inspired writing.
Thank you Mark!
Dan wrote it
“The why in your Vai” 😂😂😂
I would like to see a supercut of these two apologizing to each other over the years. So polite and respectful.
33:55 😂😂
You’ve given me an idea for a new drinking game! 😂
or when mick shrugs his eyebrows and his glasses fall down
I’ll always love the way Dan’s inner Kim Thayil comes roaring out when he first digs into a distortion pedal. Very distinctive but not quite *that* tune 😉 Nice work as always fellas!
Just bought a DS-1 from a pawn shop. Because why not!! Thanks for the quality content as always :)
I reckon that super-scoop is why the DS-1 (and the Big Muff) worked so well for grunge and grungalike music in the 90s. You can play those huge fifths with added open strings, make a big angry cloud of harmonics and it won't get in the way of the vocals. Kicking a tubescreamer or a klon in after a DS-1 can give a nice flash of lightning out of that soft rumbly cloud. Weeeew widdlidloodleedle Bwoooooow.
Then you are basically just using tube screamer. The DS1 is just adding saturation and your tone is a TS.
i've always suspected that's a big part of how Kurt Cobain got such a huge sound out of a pretty primitive setup - he considered the DS-1/DS-2 to be central to his guitar tone, but would typically run it into a Fender Twin or Mesa Boogie preamp with the mid control maxed out.
@@sordidsentinel I’ve always found it odd that he used a Mesa preamp. When did he use a twin?
@@sordidsentinel interesting.
@@SpencerJMusic Throughout his career, actually - Bleach was recorded using a borrowed 60s Fender Twin Reverb. Before recording Nevermind, he purchased a Mesa/Boogie Studio .22 preamp which he ran through Crown or Crest power amps, but also used a Fender Bassman and Vox AC30 (I think at Butch Vig’s insistence) in the studio - “Lithium” is a Bassman and Big Muff, iirc, which explains its tighter low end.
Then I believe all of In Utero was recorded using a Fender Twin Reverb, although one of the speakers and/or tubes were dying or dead in it - which he didn’t let anyone fix because he liked how it made the amp sound, iirc.
Steve Albini doesn’t layer tons of guitar tracks over each other like Butch Vig likes to - check out “Cherub Rock” by Smashing Pumpkins, which he also produced, and the intro is very “Smells Like Teen Spirit,” but with like 20 Big Muff guitar tracks layered over each other - so afaik, most of In Utero was recorded with a DS-2 into a cranked clean Twin Reverb.
When I started playing so very long ago, I honestly didn't know that people used any other pedal than the ds1! I didn't understand what else anyone would need. Great stuff, great show.
Fun fact. The Keeley Modded DS-1 and the MXR 78 Distortion are the same pedal. MXR essentially cloned the Keeley pedal for this one. I accidentally have both. I found out about this later on. I've tested them side by side and they are basically identical outside of pot tolerances. I wonder how the new Waza compares to them, or if it too is the same mod.
Very useful information thank you!
using a really clean amp could reveal the real nature of each era of these DS1s. But by feeding the DS1s to even a lightly distorted amp the attack and tonal attributes of each gets masked.
I special ordered a Super Shifter mid '0s. Hated it.
Harmonist would have been better....they weren't around.
So swap this for a Micro Cube and a DS !.
I love both.
I have the BD waza and it's absolutely flipping fantastic!
Would you recommend it over the ds1?
Man... the 1980 seems to have a little more than just a scooped frequency. It really sounds different (as most pedals do). Great video guys!
I laughed so hard @7:19 that I almost choked. “Are you hearing that horrible top end here?”
“I’m hearing horrible top end everywhere.”
“Okay, good.”
Dan was getting some nice “King’s X” vibes going with Butters and drop D. I’m diggin’ it!
@_07:11_ All my tablet convey are squash-noise with no useful character😕
They only pedals that matter are overdrives (and distortions but they are just high gain overdrives). Everything else is fluff.
I have a Keeley Seeing Eye modded DS1
I am what is commonly known in some circles as first.
First reply.
As long as the circle isn't a jerk. Congrats
@@therapist6328 speak for yourself
Oh god, custom mode on waza is one of the best dirt stages for leads I've ever heard. It's so full, that mid is so juicy. And that DS-1 gain structure is still so sweet. It sings, but it has a little bit of hair around it. Like a smooth fuzz. It's so...Gilmour-y. It's just beautiful. Boss has done it again. Another win, another icon is born.
I know that there is more to the pedal world than overdrives, but man I love it when you guys cover overdrive and distortion.
Me too
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You're absolutely right. There's also fuzz. 😂
I still have my 1989 MIT which I bought for my 21st Birthday. I also had a 1984 MIJ and the black 40th Anniversary unit. They all sound the same, fizzy, fuzzy and nasty. It’s a great sounding pedal if you have a cheap solid state amp and cheap guitar. But I haven’t used one since 1994.
Wow! Loved you churning out the rock riffage Mick! Well done! And that Halo is so good at giving great delay effect while still letting the attack in front clearly. Awesome! Really impressed with the Waza. Had no clue it was so good. It makes a good lead tone pedal.
is Dan playing the DS-1 through a Vox AC30?
The rat is the ultimate distortion pedal.
Finished a DIY-Build some weeks ago. Awesome pedal. Grit, Spit, Grind and a bit of luster.
Totally agree with the WazaCraft some magic extra mid there. I tried out several
dS-1s before our most recent Electrasy gigs this summer-eventually I went with a Kemper instead of a board for just sheer ease of use - but the WazaCraft version was hands down the sound!!
Yes it changed after silverscrew
long before 96
The DS-1 is a legendary pedal. Great video here.
will you guys ever make an episode about Black Country Customs/Laney line of pedals, I think there are some killer affordable pedals in that line and they are made in England?
sorry but i cannot hear the waza version
the rest pedals sounds fine
>> I suggest that you guys do an... 'Up The Ante' Show, to 'one up' JHS, who just featured (87) pedals... live. Someone stated in comments of that show, that "you'd never see that on That Pedal Show.
Come on !! 'Man Style' !! 👍🎼🎸🔊🎶👊👊
My first impression from first impressions with the 1980 DS-1 is that the strat sounded pretty alright actually!
I just swapped my 2008 ds-1 for a Waza today, and it was definitely the right choice. The Waza has the same classic ds-1 sound but it's so much more full and tidy than the classic. I've still got my mid 2000's SD-1 in front of it running into a Marshall origin 20c and it's just so good... Highly recommend.
Great show, as always. Buuuuuuuut… really wish you'd included a DS-1X and a Keeley Seeing Eye-modded DS-1.
Well, it sounds... distorted??
Great comparison. The new Waza version sounds awesome.
Awesome video guys. Dan's playing from 6:40 on was great . . . I was like 'THAT IS IT! That is what I want my guitar to sound like
Keep the video's coming. So good
Damn that intro tone on that Tele is fire. Probably the best high gain traditional tele tone I’ve ever heard. Traditional meaning it’s not got a HB or rail HB in the bridge. That’s not a stacked HB right ? Yep my suspicion confirmed as soon as they switched to a HB the DS1 sounds like a fuzz to me.
Hello Brandon, thank you! No, it's the standard Custom Shop ’63 single coil that's been in it since new (around 2000). Cheers!
Wow, I'm buying the DS-1W tomorrow.
Im a boss fanatic.i prefer the original ds1 i have one with silverscrew 70s one.i love it.also i have the sd1 first year and the ds2 first year.and the od1 silver screw from 1978.i have tried all distortion and overdrive pedals new ones .and nothing come close to the original japanese boss.👍👍👍❤🌷🌷🌷
Kurt Cobain sound in a box. John Frusciante has been using the DS2 an DS1 as well 👍
Oh, man. You boys played fantastically and demonstrate how to let the sound/feel take you to the space the pedal harkens. There is really no great choice other than just having all 3. LOL. My new GigRig power stuff arrived yesterday, so I've been here sorting out my rig!!!! Love it!
Cheers mate 🤗🙏
You missed the most important one.. the 40th anniversary, that black housing just adds so much metal tone! 😂
8:50 Let it be so noted that here Mick first utters "we ought to have a Super Strat with a humbucker in the bridge..." I'm not an enabler, you're enabling! 😂
Hahaha!
Great vid, guys, as always!
Would have been good to include the Boss OD-200 and compare the Distortion (DS-1) setting and it's 3 band EQ with those pedals. It might have been able to match all those 3 DS-1 pedals.
"I'm hearing horrible top end everywhere" lol, DS-1 in one sentence
Gotta turn the tone down lol
Ooof, the vintage sounds poor.
Growing up a Vintage style Fender strat Into my 2016 DS 1 was my sound for a long time, I still enjoy that sound to this day, Im actually excited to try it with the waza as the distortion pedal I got after my first pedal (the DS-1) was a fuzz face, and this seems to sit somewhere in the middle!
Great video.
Any brute can mod PTH parts with a lot of care. Reworking SMT parts isn't impossible, you just have to know what you're doing.
No difference... all the same...
The DS1 is awesome. Its really flexible. I use mine with a strat and marshall origin. The tone control is a bit bonkers I tend to keep it low. It takes a boost like a tube screamer well to get that modern marshall tone.
I'd forgotten how good that Les Paul Junior sounds, perfect with that amp and pedal set up!
I'm officially old! I am the proud owner of a vintage gen-1, good-condition, silver screw, MIJ em-dash DS-1. The thing is, it was not vintage when high-school me bought it in 1980 😄
For me is the attack. DS-1 is known as a bee-hive cuz depending on your set up that attack sounds harsh and spiky. But when diled right it sounds almost fuzz like the way the note's bity attack, being not so low-passed as other pedals just shines and cuts through.
Ooh this is going to be a good one. I’ve seen these Waza pedals come up a thousand times and have never understood what they are. Plus they’re using a Golden for reverb but not on the plate setting! Sold!
This brings back nightmares of Peavy Bandits and cheap Kramer guitars. The DS1 should have been named the equalizer. It made every rig sound equally bad.
Intro: camera cuts to three DS-1s on a board. Cutaway: that's me falling out of my chair laughing. I shall have to get my OD-1 t-shirt to cope. It's my safe place in times of need.
Hey guys, I watched your "youre using your ds1 wrong" video, and you never tried using it like Mark Spears, (guitarist from khruangbin) he uses it into a clean amp (fender deluxe reverb) with all the distortion and tone turned completely down, and just using the level control, and uses the guitars volume to ride the sound! Please have a try off camera and see what you think, I've started using it like that into my twin reverb and it sounds killer! Cheers
A clean amp works fine for me with it, so I guess using it "wrong" is subjective. If it sounds good it sounds good.
@@2Plus2isChicken2013 "wrong" meant through a quiet amp. Watch the video if you haven't, it's makes lots of sense with the audio examples.
I don't understand how there's this seemingly growing idea, mostly online, that the DS-1 is a "bad pedal." Or that it's the one used to make fun of other pedals. It's literally one of the best ever created. It's just awesome, and it doesn't COST $500! It's actually affordable for damn near anyone who wants to play and get a great distortion tone. I've had one since the mid-90s, and I'll go to my grave with it.
@20:00 is personally my favorite DS1 sound I have heard, yet. I do feel like that output boost did something just right to that amp combination. Of course, as I finish this Dan grabs the SG, soooo….we shall see.
I loved Dan’s metal playing 😂
I can relate to the Shreddie in my Eddie 50+ years ago when I plugged in my first distortion pedal. I must say it feels the same today. You will never lose that feeling.
I particularly enjoyed the Waza DS-1 and that flanger combination and I may now have to pick this pair up. That beautiful SG of Dan's is money. Well done boys.
Just bought a WAZA as I love the range - haven’t used it yet but now glad I have it !
@7:20 Mick seriously reconsiders show choices, maybe we should stop here????? It's hard for me to understand why you guys spend so much time here and before trying to make the DS-1 sound good, and you have never played the OD-3. I think you might love that one.
Got the Wind through the Trees & Halo at the Andy TImmons event last Saturday and trying to get my head around both of them. The WTTT replaced my MXR Analog Flanger. The halo may require my programing side of my brain :)
Dan had questions about the 3 DS1 but you answered them. So they are all through hole correct?
Great show guys! Gordon
I just can't make peace with DS-1, but I really like AT (angry charlie I suppose, but the compression/saturation "wattage" toggle is fantastic) and Rattler (still have yet to grab a RAT or Rattler though). Rattler has just the right eq and saturation as opposed to DS-1. But I'll be damned, I think the DS-1 had a bit more special sound with Mick's old strat. Almost that choked fuzzy sound with hard lopass filter.
Enough with the "we don't have a heavy rock guitar" nonsense. You got PRS and Les Pauls. PAF style pickups, perhaps hotrodded are plenty even for more extreme metal genres, it's usually the amp choices if not just drive pedal into open Marshall. Like Adam Jones of Tool and Bill Steer of Carcass playing Les Pauls and classic Gibsons into older Marshalls (often blending with hotrodded Marshall style amps). Or djent guys switching to single coils. Unless you want to sound like a stereotypical american metal band with EMG81 with no breath in the sound. But I've ranted about this enough before.
I can't figure out how Steve Vai made DS-1 in the chain sound so good. Perhaps all the effects he had working as just the right kind of filter?
5 PM "Grenich" meantime? I still love to use that term because I can't get over the pronunciation.
Great stuff! Do y'all know if there are differences in the other versions of the Jam Rattlers? I have an older version, with the snake coiled up on the pedal (the LED is the snake's eye), and my tone control seems different. It's like I've got to have it all the way down, or almost all the way down, to get into a lower mid usable range. It's weird. ALSO, are you LEGENDS planning to check out the Kernom Ridge? I've got one, and I find it EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE. I'd really like to hear your collective thoughts on this really interesting new boost/overdrive/distortion "morphing-analog" contraption! It's strange to me that we haven't heard anything from you guys about this new pedal.
I always wondered why Mick havent been using his DGT, it is a dream guitar for me, and he always sounded brilliant on it!!! imo, one of the best sounding guitars in the TPS collection.
Mick + Strat + Rat = Instant Gilmour vibes.
the waza craft series are amazing. For me the custom modes in waza series are great option. thats way I prefer waza boss pedals more.
Sounds cool, but missed a major benefit by not allowing you to switch between modes with the foot switch while playing. Just using an EQ or a boost before a standard DS-1 will give you essentially the Wasa. Unless you just don't like the scooped sound at all and would never use it.
Ha! I’ve had one of these pedals since 2005, glad to know it’s not a piece of junk. May have to get it out and actually use it if I can ever get the house to myself so I don’t annoy everybody.
First Thanks for all the interesting stuff!!! Would love to have an episode about buzz words like "fizzle", explaining more your common vocabulary, explaining top end and bottom end frequency related, bass, treble, mids and stuff like that. Cloud be fun.
For Halloween, Mick plays Vai, and Dan plays Satriani!
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Angry Charlie all day long, but pity you didn't have a V3. Granted I'm a bit biased in that I have a V3 Angry Charlie, but for damned good reason. I never got the hang of very many BOSS or RAT pedals except maybe SD-1, and recently tried to give RAT another chance again with a RAT 2 and just can't get me head around it.
I wish there would have been some MXR distortions in the shootout and would love to see more from a Super Badass Distortion then maybe toss in a Distortion + for good measure.
So am I dreaming or did TPS used to be available as a podcast? I have less and less time to sit in front of youtube, but would love to keep up. I looked for a podcast version today and couldn't find it, thanks for any info.
7:40 Did you power your ancient 1980 DS-1 properly? It takes 12V, not 9V. Well, it technically eats 9V internally but it has some voltage drop internally because of proprietary Boss power supply back in that decade that was actually providing 12 volts. Some people mod their really old Boss pedals (some don’t even work at all with 9V) adding a jumper around the diode and resistor or what was it that drops the voltage from 12V to 9V so the pedal can take 9V directly. My 1983 DS-1 was having a reduced headroom and farting at full guitar volume, I had to roll back the volume knob on the guitar a bit to make it work. I was guessing whether this ancient pedal was not built for that high pickup output or something. Once I watched a soldering guy, building amps, does pedal repair. And he was “repairing" a Boss chorus pedal from the 80s, and it turned out the pedal wasn’t broken, it was only expecting 12V. Some time later I said to myself: “wait a sec, this DS-1 is from that time, it must be expecting 12V, the diode was always too dim, it might be not because of how old the diode is but because of the undervoltage”. I switched 9V to 12V on my power supply and voila! The sound improved and it’s performing just fine on full guitar volume. No farting/drowning/choking. And the diode got brighter, feels normal now.
Loved the strat with the vintage one , very similar to my 83 ds 1 with my strat
I like the DS, not sure it will take the place of my OD3 though.
That being said, I'm a luddite and most overdrive/distortion pedals sounds broadly very similar to me. 😬
I always find myself cringing when the ds-1 kicks in, that top end fizziness seems brittle at times. By the end of this video I was liking the sound. I swapped mine off the board for a Rat, not sure I’ll remove the Rat but I may re add the ds-1 at some point along side ?
Oh how I wish Dave Gregory was in on this one. Was surprised he wasn’t mentioned, however when the lithe sexy Rock Mick showed up to kick Stodgy Blooze Mick aside for a bit, that was spectacular.
Great show! I purchased a DS-1 based on your last DS-1 video. The mid push on the WAZA DS-1 is magic! I’m looking for a versatile treble boost. Could the Xotic Super Sweet get close to that mid presence of the DS-1?
Wow that was a sound today! The Telecaster sounded so huge today! The Stratocaster never has a bad sound! DTG was cool, but the SG Junior yeah buddy that was a monster tone!
Second comment, apologies- my experience of higher gain pickups such as the JB or the Super Distortion is they have bucket loads of mid? Maybe that affected the voicing decisions?
Angry Charlie on the board = vintage TPS vibes. Love it.
Old one sounds like Vinyl, middle one is early mastered CD’s, new one sounds like MP3.
Not entirely sure which one is better, but I still get the feeling in a band situation for a value price old CD’s will do.
I love this show but I have to ask.. Why is Dan always so biased towards older vintage equipment? Before watching any shootout video, I can literally guess every single time which he'd like better. I'd be curious to see some blindshoot outs to see if it's more a romanticized love for vintage equipment just because it's vintage.
Ohhh yeah Dan! That intro was amazing Man! Great video dude. Thank you both
Is it just me or is the difference between the pedals lost on RUclips? The custom mode is very different more mids etc.
Andy...get better soon. Viral Menigitis is NOT fun. So painful.
From my experience every vintage MIJ Boss drive pedal sounds smoother and more pleasant than the later MIT versions. Never had the Waza version but listening to your test is not as good as the vintage neither
Looking at Dan's beautiful SG; is it just me or are the controls and 12th fret markers so close to the edge they look like they're trying to escape? Watch out Dan, they're biding their time for that bid for freedom...
Well only up to the 1980 vs modern version and already I learn there's no point in the vintage DS1'1 The modern seems to me to easily hold its own....I didn't expect that!
Okay, here’s the custom pedal idea of the century: A hard clipper with a footswitch that moves between the DS-1 eq and the RAT eq.
I had a current production DS-1, picked up the Waza DS-1 and recently also got a DS-2. Oddly enough, by a large margin, the DS-2 is my favorite. Turns out that what I have in my head as “That 90’s, alternative, DS-1 sound” was found much more readily in the DS-2 than it was in either the stock or Waza DS-1. In fact, any of the complaints people usually have with a DS-1 (low output, scoopy midrange, can’t handle high output pups, shrill buzzy tone control) seem to have all been addressed when Boss was designing mode 1 on the DS-2. So the other two are gone and my preference for orange distortion boxes rests at the DS-2.
Ua wagliù.. complimenti! 40 minuti di inutili seghe mentali!! Mitici.....
This was a classic TPS show - thanks! Great playing and enjoyment of this classic distortion!
There was one angle u didn’t cover - how they sound as they enter the rubbish bin. 😆 thanks for reconfirming that I don’t ever need a DS-1 👍
That upper mid and presence is why the ds-1 is great. it cuts like my mee maw on a weekday after smoking a stack of phat mcdonlges