I don’t mind Richard’s wild takes tbh. Having a full spectrum of opinions makes the podcast more interesting and insightful rather than just listening to another group of content creators parroting popular opinion and agreeing with eachother constantly.
So true. The genuine hot takes are great. Sometimes I feel crim has a take that he doesn't actually believe but says it anyway for content, which I don't like. Richard on the other hand has takes where he actually believes it in his head and makes it so much better.
But he's 100% wrong about Fountainport over Mirrex. In a control mirror, I'd never want Fountainport. It's too slow. 2 turns to draw a card? Yeah right. I have won soooooooooooooooooooo many control mirrors with mites. Having to hit them with 20 fish is astronomically worse than 10 mites. They can gain life, too. Can't outrun toxic. Also: Crim is 100% right that the colored mana Mirrex makes the turn it comes down is super important. Anyone that ignores that clearly hasn't played it much.
@atk9989 Na, the difference there is that the best counter to Bowmaster is Bowmaster. So you have to play Bowmaster in case someone plays Bowmaster. Lynx will scare off mana greedy decks and thus doesn't need to be played. But you cannot scare off Bowmaster because you just play Bowmaster, which encourages your opponent to play Bowmaster, so you play Bowmaster and so on
I totally disagree. The power level of this set is really high. The good gift cards are really strong and the aggro decks like mice and lizard outlaws look insane
I think people associate "under-powered" with bad so its a bit more loaded if thats your view point. Its not hard with the recent power creep in sets to look at new cards and go EH.. these dont seem as pushed. Sometimes they have to take a step back... I think in modern times two or three steps back. DEPOWER magic please.
I think Richards commentary about the thoughtseize was completely fair. People just clowing on him for his hot takes, historically 2 mana discard spells have not been great except in low power standards. I disagree about the counterspell, that seems like a good tempo card where the loss of card advantage isnt such a big deal.
Yeah. I could see it being a sideboard card for a midrange mirror where the effect is better and stealing a card is generally going to be more worth it, but you probably just never want to play this into an aggro deck and there isn't really much you actually want to steal from a control deck so it's uses are probably more limited than people are hyping
Castigate was huge in original Ravnica standard. The difference is 2 mana discard versus 2 mana Thoughtseize. The huge drawback of discard spells, drawing them when the opponent is empty-handed is largely shored up by Cruelclaw's Heist. If they have an empty hand the only one the card is dead is if the gift is a land. I also want to mention that his expertise isn't really Standard. So his takes on Standard are often lacking a lot of context*. EDIT: context not content
@@boombox_up_to_11that card is so old it didn’t say exile on it. There is no way that you can draw conclusions form that time in magic history. And the draw back of drawing them a land when they are empty handed is huge 30% of the time being bb your opponent draws a card is really bad
I feel like there's a better counter spell in this set 2 mana 1 and a blue for counter target spell unless controller plays 2 or 4 if you control a rat. That's more playable than the counter in this vid.
I think we're underrating Maha allowing everything to be hit by Cut Down. There's very few creatures with 5+ power which would be the only misses for Cut Down with Maha on the battlefield
It's also important to note for Cruelclaw you get to see the card before you decide whether it's worth discarding a card for or not. So the odds of whiffing with it exist but won't penalize you other than not casting the spell you already just saw wasn't useful in the moment.
Definitely feel like I agree with Richard more and more these days. Everything is absolutely cracked and if you can’t answer it, good luck in the your next game.
Fountainport looks like the biggest trap card of the set. Even in matchups where blocking with the token is relevant, it costs a life to activate so there is a limit to how much value you can get. Mirrex making colored mana the turn it enters is a big deal. Toxic cuts the damage race in half.
Into the Flood Maw might make a splash in Vintage, it works so incredibly well with Oath of Druids which is already one of the best decks in the format
21:53 Re: Maha, we lose End the Festivities as mentioned, but there’s still from LCI something similar Tectonic Hazard {R} Sorcery Tectonic Hazard deals 1 damage to each opponent and each creature they control.
Richard is the only person seeing the Cruelclaw potential. T4 Cut Down/Shock the smaller blocker to enable Menace. Insatiable Avarice. Free Atraxa/Etali
i haven't seen the video yet so i don't know if they mention it, but i am keeping my eye on Hulkbuster swarm, since it works really well with the collect evidence and delve mechanics.
Y'all are laughing at Seth but I think that landfall lizard is dumb with the Lookout green 3 drop that says commit a crime dig for a land. Maybe jund a different way?
Maha and Kaya might be something. Sneaking in a 6/5 flampler is a huge swing, and outside of that it's just a ton of great value. The 1/1 spirits can block and destroy anything with Maha in play as well.
Cruelclaw Heist: Discard spell that works on an empty-handed opponent. If they just surveiled to the top 😂 Sunspine Lynx: Siege Rhino only needed to dome for 3 to be good. 4 drop, less restrictive on colors, and prevent life gain. Beza: 4/5 body for 4cmc, life gain vs Aggro, Card draw vs control, ramp vs ramp, and wide vs go wide. This will look okay vs most decks. Fountainport: Mirrex mana fixing is huge BUT we might not need mana fixing that much moving forward. Fountainport may have less decks that need it, but I can see it being really impactful in several decks because making bodies and drawing cards will never not be good.
53:30 Disagree on this being better than Empty for Wish scenarios. Empty is a thing you can wish for and then play. It's a storm card. It resolves at the end of your chain and gives you a big board. Sure you get blown out sometimes, but that's the value of the unexpected pivot towards a storm creature avenue. Sure the otter has Haste, but you have to play it BEFORE other things. How often are storm decks going to pull of their 3 mana Wish, then a 4 mana Otter, then play 4 more instants & sorceries. Ruby Medallion helps a lot in those circumstances, but I am skeptical. Like Empty the Warrens can be a respectable threat if you played 2 other spells before it. Dealing 14-15 damage against a single blocker over several turns which is a lot of pressure in low-storm scenarios (5+4+3+2+1 damage, assuming 1 gob gets blocked each time). Stormsplitter feels a lot more of a proactive threat and storm card, rather than an end-combo finish. I think that will limit it a lot. I think the best argument for Stormsplitter is that it'll add more consistent kill pressure potential in Ruby Storm. T2 Medallion, T3 Splitter is a must answer threat, paving the way for Ral and forcing them to keep removal in their deck or die.
Couple things, first I think Ygra should have been on the list just for the fact that if the combo is Standard playable then the card will be busted and possibly ban worthy. The same goes for Pioneer with Ygra, but there is the fact that it might be a tad too slow. I feel like that card is boom or bust and if it booms it'll be broken. Second, as someone who likes Red Aggro strategies is Standard. I do think Sunspine Lynx might be a bit overhyped. While it has a lot of good effects, four mana has been a bit much for Red Aggro decks in both Standard and Pioneer as of late. Especially, since it has no haste or evasion. So while I can still see it as a sideboard card in those decks. I'm a bit skeptical that it's an auto included in the Main board. Finally, I do appreciate Richard's skepticism cause I think it does a nice job of balancing the optimism that Crim and Seth have for new cards. Eventhough they may be right. I think it provides a more well rounded discussion about the new cards.
@Crusina Ygra goes infinite with two Cauldron Familiars in Pioneer and goes infinite with Camelia or Experimental Confectioner and a free sac outlet in Standard like Bartolomé del Presidio. If these combos are good enough to see serious play. They are tough to interact with, especially the Ygra/Cauldron Familar combo.
Seth keeps mentioning the domain decks for nonbasics but the 5C atraxa deck usually has 5+ basics out. Herd Migration, Topiary Stomper, etc., all fetch basics. I know some of that will rotate but still, the Domain decks will usually have a couple non basics plus 4-5 basics
We are returning to Lorwyn next year. Elementals were huge on Lorwyn, as were changelings. It's also the original set we got evoke in. Mulldrifter, Shriekmaw, etc.
So the thing with Cruelclaws Heist. I think it’s a great midrange card. And as long as they have a spell in their hand, it’s ALWAYS a 1 for 1, even with gift. This card gets worse the less cards our opp has in hand, which is true of Thoughtseize and such too. So it’s sort of a give and take. Low floor, very high ceiling. Definitely a SB piece. It’s a great card against control.
I love how Every podcast Seth has to cue Richard when ever talking about a card. as if we don't already know what hes thinking This doesn't go +++ or lets your win instantly. "Trash" Card seems somewhat playable in commander? "This is what's wrong with modern magic" Card isn't a pure upgrade to what we already have "This will never see play" I know he loves to play up the "Magic boomer complains about modern card design" but it got old fast
Crim and Seth disagree all the time. The problem with Richard is he almost always tries to find a quick way to adopt a contrarian position, without giving it proper thought. As a consequence, he ends up with multiple "hot takes" that are in conflict with each other. It can be fun the first time you hear it, but it quickly becomes dull and repetitive. For example, in this podcast Richard says the set is underpowered with little playable cards. Just last week we knew all the same cards from the set and yet Richard gave a full rant about how he dislikes the set for being "too powercreepy". When these lazy, contradictory, supposedly hot takes repeat every week - sometimes within the same episode -, it is no wonder people criticize him more than the others.
Would love to see a spreadsheet of an official rating / prediction before each set and then what it actually turns out to be. And categorize by person. Looking at you Richard
I remember a few of their hot takes from MH3. Richard and Crim thought Phlage and Sorin were completely unplayable bad cards, and they were both skeptical of Necrodominance. I think those were the egregious misses from MH3.
Maha having trample is extremly strong. Think about it, all blockers are x/1s so damage is coming. It might be a stretch but some sort of keyword (trample/firststrike) tribal with maha could be a deck.
Not at any time. "You may cast that card by discarding a card rather than paying its mana cost." With this wording your only opportunity is right there as you are resolving the trigger. If you opt not to you lose the opportunity. Same with Chandra, Torch of Defiance: "+1: Exile the top card of your library. You may cast that card. If you don’t, Chandra, Torch of Defiance deals 2 damage to each opponent." Chandra would run into issues if it did not work that way. You would have to figure out when the 2 damage is dealt if not at the effect's resolution. If you can cast (or play) the card at any time other than while resolving the effect if gets specified. See Cruelclaw's Heist: "you may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled" Unstable Amulet: "You may play it until you exile another card with Unstable Amulet." Seek the Beast: "Exile the top two cards of your library. Until your next end step, you may play those cards."
I really hope the crew sees this. Even when I think the takes are really "silly" or overly negative. I dont take it personally. So basically, be true to yourself. Let the haters mald in comments, its still video engagement! A take may be bad but who cares. It doesn't affect anyone.
Vinelasher seems similar enough to the Mill crabs that it might be good enough for modern. Fetch shock mana starts most players at 17, 17 x 3 is 51 which is around the starting deck size so 1 damage is mostly equivalent to 3 cards milled.
@@OctopiWalgreens I think most decks are able to function with a colorless source out. Obviously if you have too many it's an issue, but most mana bases have like maybe 20% colorless sources? I think it's pretty negligible, the times it bites you are far fewer than the times they are useful, at least in my experience playing lands like this
I think long rivers pull is a tricky card to evaluate. It could be good card for sideboard in many control decks, but I think it will see its best in decks that really exploit its qualities. I can imagine decks with sheoldred having a lot of fun with all these gift a card effects, but the best kind of decks for this card in particular is mono blue tempo where you don't care about the card advantage you are giving to your opponent if it gives you the precies moment to interrupt anything, and that's huge in a format with cavern of souls, since you can be flexible with your main deck, not to mention the fact that in mono blue the UU cost doesn't matter at all. The real question is if there is any strong monoblue tempo deck in standard or at least a dimir deck (with sheoldred and other gift a card effects) that can efficiently use this card.
I could see it being in blue tempo decks too, like some haughty djinn deck. I don’t think control can run it, decks going the long run can’t afford to 2 for 1 themselves, I think a lot of people are a bit too high on the card but it’s not unplayable.
The reason thoughtseize is good s because it takes apart the opponents best card and it shows you the opponents gameplan so it allows you to adapt your plays to maximise your deck
IMO the rare time in 1v1 I would want to gift with cruel claws heist is if I don't have blue and am playing against blue, ripping a counterspell when you normally wouldnt have access to them is huge.
I'm wondering if Boros Sunspine Lynx could be a modern playable deck? You'd have Ephemerate to flicker the Lynx. Solitude won't gain your opponents life when the Lynx is down. And you have Phlage as another strong threat... I'm not enough of a modern player to know if it could work, but it sounds possible
"where X is the number of creatures your opponents controlled that were exiled this turn." Do cards in graveyard have a controller? They have an owner. But not sure about a controller.
it for sure will I think. The gift aspect is better in 4 player formats, in politics it's an upside not a downside usually, and like Crim said even if it's down to 2 players giving a card is still better than losing
Lunar convocation is probably gonna be cracked in standard because it's a bad greed. The tokens and life loss is cool but the real power is having a life to card converter for the lifegain decks.
Cruelclaw is another Preacher. Breeches, Jasper Flint, Glissa. Etrata, even. That is, a 3 mana value engine that eats removal they should probably save for your real threat, because if they don't kill it or stonewall it, it is still more than capable of running away with the game by itself.
Bloomburrow seemed to balance all five colors on all three levels of the game. They all have great one drop beatdown cards. Good mid range game bombs and utility cards. And big finishers. All the tribes are balanced and equally strong with unique keywords to their tribes. Feels like Onslaught back in the day. The only color I think got treated bad was green in the legendary mythic slot. The other four are INSANE cards but the big green, vigilance and reach that reanimates lands is kind of.....meh.
Here to defend Richard! Love this podcast (Ok sometimes I sigh at his takes, but come ooon. I think you are overreacting! Last podcast was a real nice listen, don’t you think?) Edit: I havent listened to this episode yet
I worry about this set aging more poorly than other strong sets because of the strong tribal focus. We're probably not going to get many more raccoons or squirrels or frogs or otters this standard cycle. So unless the card is broadly strong i just think they'll get weaker faster as more sets come out.
I know it’s not exactly related but I’m at the point where I feel like the community should be calling for a ban on the one ring in commander and modern
I don’t mind Richard’s wild takes tbh. Having a full spectrum of opinions makes the podcast more interesting and insightful rather than just listening to another group of content creators parroting popular opinion and agreeing with eachother constantly.
So true. The genuine hot takes are great. Sometimes I feel crim has a take that he doesn't actually believe but says it anyway for content, which I don't like. Richard on the other hand has takes where he actually believes it in his head and makes it so much better.
Yeah not a fan when crim talks
Agreed, and in the cases where I don't agree with Richard, he at least articulates his reasoning well enough that I can see where he's coming from.
But he's 100% wrong about Fountainport over Mirrex. In a control mirror, I'd never want Fountainport. It's too slow. 2 turns to draw a card? Yeah right. I have won soooooooooooooooooooo many control mirrors with mites. Having to hit them with 20 fish is astronomically worse than 10 mites. They can gain life, too. Can't outrun toxic.
Also: Crim is 100% right that the colored mana Mirrex makes the turn it comes down is super important. Anyone that ignores that clearly hasn't played it much.
No one likes Crimge
Richard is right about the Sunspire Lynx. It's so good it doesn't need to be played
Same could be said of bowmaster but it is still in every deck.
@@atk9989well bowmasters is also in a format dominated by the best card draw effect ever printed
@atk9989 Na, the difference there is that the best counter to Bowmaster is Bowmaster. So you have to play Bowmaster in case someone plays Bowmaster. Lynx will scare off mana greedy decks and thus doesn't need to be played. But you cannot scare off Bowmaster because you just play Bowmaster, which encourages your opponent to play Bowmaster, so you play Bowmaster and so on
Why so many bad comments about Richard? He has his opinions, that's it...I also have many friends that think this set is underpowered
I totally disagree. The power level of this set is really high. The good gift cards are really strong and the aggro decks like mice and lizard outlaws look insane
Can't be more underpowered than manor of karlov and thunder
I think people associate "under-powered" with bad so its a bit more loaded if thats your view point. Its not hard with the recent power creep in sets to look at new cards and go EH.. these dont seem as pushed. Sometimes they have to take a step back... I think in modern times two or three steps back. DEPOWER magic please.
@@clarencebray8681 wait you think Outlaws of Thunder Junction is UNDERPOWERED?
@@clarencebray8681wait thunder junction was underpowered?
I think Richards commentary about the thoughtseize was completely fair. People just clowing on him for his hot takes, historically 2 mana discard spells have not been great except in low power standards. I disagree about the counterspell, that seems like a good tempo card where the loss of card advantage isnt such a big deal.
Yeah. I could see it being a sideboard card for a midrange mirror where the effect is better and stealing a card is generally going to be more worth it, but you probably just never want to play this into an aggro deck and there isn't really much you actually want to steal from a control deck so it's uses are probably more limited than people are hyping
Castigate was huge in original Ravnica standard. The difference is 2 mana discard versus 2 mana Thoughtseize. The huge drawback of discard spells, drawing them when the opponent is empty-handed is largely shored up by Cruelclaw's Heist. If they have an empty hand the only one the card is dead is if the gift is a land. I also want to mention that his expertise isn't really Standard. So his takes on Standard are often lacking a lot of context*. EDIT: context not content
The mono blue tempo decks that don’t care about the cards won’t exist in this standard. We don’t have the density of mana leaks needed
@@boombox_up_to_11that card is so old it didn’t say exile on it. There is no way that you can draw conclusions form that time in magic history. And the draw back of drawing them a land when they are empty handed is huge 30% of the time being bb your opponent draws a card is really bad
I feel like there's a better counter spell in this set 2 mana 1 and a blue for counter target spell unless controller plays 2 or 4 if you control a rat. That's more playable than the counter in this vid.
Them laughing at seth over iridescent vinelasher killed me, im sure the card will see at least a little play
Richard you be you! Love hearing you guys talk!!! You're super.❤
I think we're underrating Maha allowing everything to be hit by Cut Down. There's very few creatures with 5+ power which would be the only misses for Cut Down with Maha on the battlefield
It's also important to note for Cruelclaw you get to see the card before you decide whether it's worth discarding a card for or not. So the odds of whiffing with it exist but won't penalize you other than not casting the spell you already just saw wasn't useful in the moment.
I think Lynx is pretty strong. Everyone seems to overlook it's a 'Enter' ability and not a 'Cast'. Blink it and get so much value 😁
The frog empire welcomes it with open arms
Definitely feel like I agree with Richard more and more these days. Everything is absolutely cracked and if you can’t answer it, good luck in the your next game.
Fountainport looks like the biggest trap card of the set. Even in matchups where blocking with the token is relevant, it costs a life to activate so there is a limit to how much value you can get. Mirrex making colored mana the turn it enters is a big deal. Toxic cuts the damage race in half.
Mirrex also gives the color you need on the turn it comes down
Into the Flood Maw might make a splash in Vintage, it works so incredibly well with Oath of Druids which is already one of the best decks in the format
Long River’s Pull is going to be good in Jace mill decks. Go ahead and draw that card oppo!
Maha also just makes your cut downs a bit more versatile too
I'm most excited for Glarb. Because Glarb is fun to say.
I am guessing you are a Plargg fan?
Bloomburrow might be my favorite set of all time
It's a good one for sure.
21:53 Re: Maha, we lose End the Festivities as mentioned, but there’s still from LCI something similar
Tectonic Hazard
{R}
Sorcery
Tectonic Hazard deals 1 damage to each opponent and each creature they control.
Just to put a positive Richard comment out there I understand his skepticism and it’s always justifiable
Happy to be here
Richard is the only person seeing the Cruelclaw potential. T4 Cut Down/Shock the smaller blocker to enable Menace. Insatiable Avarice. Free Atraxa/Etali
i haven't seen the video yet so i don't know if they mention it, but i am keeping my eye on Hulkbuster swarm, since it works really well with the collect evidence and delve mechanics.
Crim: "Before anyone pushes up their glasses. Nerd voice: Actually" lol. I love Maha, and what a cool name.
I miss the bespoke top 10 videos for each format.
It's probably hard to make those videos as it's like what, 3 seperate videos 15-20 minutes?
They just weren't especially popular so we decided to shift them over to the podcast, but I'd love more feedback from you all over which you prefer.
@@MTGGoldfishPodcast can we get just the modern one back?
Y'all are laughing at Seth but I think that landfall lizard is dumb with the Lookout green 3 drop that says commit a crime dig for a land. Maybe jund a different way?
@@maximilianlopez196 and with Foundations this fall Llanowar will be in Standard. So you can offspring the lizard turn 2.
They were laughing because Seth thought it's good in modern, not standard. In modern, you'd probably die before you even hit turn 3.
@@AceofStars101 that's funny cause all the One rings are played on turn 4+.
Maha and Kaya might be something. Sneaking in a 6/5 flampler is a huge swing, and outside of that it's just a ton of great value. The 1/1 spirits can block and destroy anything with Maha in play as well.
Cruelclaw Heist: Discard spell that works on an empty-handed opponent. If they just surveiled to the top 😂
Sunspine Lynx: Siege Rhino only needed to dome for 3 to be good. 4 drop, less restrictive on colors, and prevent life gain.
Beza: 4/5 body for 4cmc, life gain vs Aggro, Card draw vs control, ramp vs ramp, and wide vs go wide. This will look okay vs most decks.
Fountainport: Mirrex mana fixing is huge BUT we might not need mana fixing that much moving forward. Fountainport may have less decks that need it, but I can see it being really impactful in several decks because making bodies and drawing cards will never not be good.
Im so hyped for the new mana bases and it being 1-2 colour decks now! Hate when 3+ colour decks are so easy to make without downside
Its kool to look back on these videos after the sets been out for awhile now. Would be cool if you all did retrospect look back videos.
Crazy not to mention oath of druids at all in regards to gift stuff
Yeah, we just don't cover Vintage much, but gifting a fish does seem pretty powerful with it.
Tectonic hazard is still in standard (renamed End the Festivities).
53:30 Disagree on this being better than Empty for Wish scenarios.
Empty is a thing you can wish for and then play. It's a storm card. It resolves at the end of your chain and gives you a big board. Sure you get blown out sometimes, but that's the value of the unexpected pivot towards a storm creature avenue.
Sure the otter has Haste, but you have to play it BEFORE other things. How often are storm decks going to pull of their 3 mana Wish, then a 4 mana Otter, then play 4 more instants & sorceries. Ruby Medallion helps a lot in those circumstances, but I am skeptical.
Like Empty the Warrens can be a respectable threat if you played 2 other spells before it. Dealing 14-15 damage against a single blocker over several turns which is a lot of pressure in low-storm scenarios (5+4+3+2+1 damage, assuming 1 gob gets blocked each time).
Stormsplitter feels a lot more of a proactive threat and storm card, rather than an end-combo finish. I think that will limit it a lot. I think the best argument for Stormsplitter is that it'll add more consistent kill pressure potential in Ruby Storm. T2 Medallion, T3 Splitter is a must answer threat, paving the way for Ral and forcing them to keep removal in their deck or die.
Couple things, first I think Ygra should have been on the list just for the fact that if the combo is Standard playable then the card will be busted and possibly ban worthy. The same goes for Pioneer with Ygra, but there is the fact that it might be a tad too slow. I feel like that card is boom or bust and if it booms it'll be broken.
Second, as someone who likes Red Aggro strategies is Standard. I do think Sunspine Lynx might be a bit overhyped. While it has a lot of good effects, four mana has been a bit much for Red Aggro decks in both Standard and Pioneer as of late. Especially, since it has no haste or evasion. So while I can still see it as a sideboard card in those decks. I'm a bit skeptical that it's an auto included in the Main board.
Finally, I do appreciate Richard's skepticism cause I think it does a nice job of balancing the optimism that Crim and Seth have for new cards. Eventhough they may be right. I think it provides a more well rounded discussion about the new cards.
What combo? Ban worthy?
@Crusina Ygra goes infinite with two Cauldron Familiars in Pioneer and goes infinite with Camelia or Experimental Confectioner and a free sac outlet in Standard like Bartolomé del Presidio.
If these combos are good enough to see serious play. They are tough to interact with, especially the Ygra/Cauldron Familar combo.
Seth keeps mentioning the domain decks for nonbasics but the 5C atraxa deck usually has 5+ basics out. Herd Migration, Topiary Stomper, etc., all fetch basics. I know some of that will rotate but still, the Domain decks will usually have a couple non basics plus 4-5 basics
Something to remember in regards to Glarb: we will be returning to Tarkir in the same standard
It would be great pretty funny if we somehow ended up in the future getting elemental support and just put all then calamity beasts in a deck.
Play Horde of Notions 😊
We are returning to Lorwyn next year. Elementals were huge on Lorwyn, as were changelings. It's also the original set we got evoke in. Mulldrifter, Shriekmaw, etc.
Long River’s Pull is really just the original counterspell and Arcane Denials love child to me +1 blue pip -1 card draw
So the thing with Cruelclaws Heist. I think it’s a great midrange card. And as long as they have a spell in their hand, it’s ALWAYS a 1 for 1, even with gift. This card gets worse the less cards our opp has in hand, which is true of Thoughtseize and such too. So it’s sort of a give and take. Low floor, very high ceiling. Definitely a SB piece. It’s a great card against control.
I love how Every podcast Seth has to cue Richard when ever talking about a card. as if we don't already know what hes thinking
This doesn't go +++ or lets your win instantly. "Trash"
Card seems somewhat playable in commander? "This is what's wrong with modern magic"
Card isn't a pure upgrade to what we already have "This will never see play"
I know he loves to play up the "Magic boomer complains about modern card design" but it got old fast
Beza also plays well with the gift cards, reducing the draw back of giving extra cards/fish to the opponents.
How dare Richard think a debatable card is bad or have a different opinion. I just want to listen to three dudes agree about every card for an hour.
Exactly!!! I don’t understand these people 😅
Crim and Seth disagree all the time. The problem with Richard is he almost always tries to find a quick way to adopt a contrarian position, without giving it proper thought. As a consequence, he ends up with multiple "hot takes" that are in conflict with each other. It can be fun the first time you hear it, but it quickly becomes dull and repetitive.
For example, in this podcast Richard says the set is underpowered with little playable cards. Just last week we knew all the same cards from the set and yet Richard gave a full rant about how he dislikes the set for being "too powercreepy". When these lazy, contradictory, supposedly hot takes repeat every week - sometimes within the same episode -, it is no wonder people criticize him more than the others.
@@thomasvcontiHe said too powercreepy in commander.He already said gift cards suck outside of multiplayer format..
@@thomasvcontime when I have no ears and can't listen
@@cablefeed3738 Wow, I didn't know gift was the only mechanic in bloomburrow!
Long rivers pull might be good with shroldred, but just might. The 2 mana discard is pretty poor i think but getting an atraxa could be a niche play
Sitting here looking at sunspine lynx thinking does shadow try this to pump shadows and hedge against solitude?
Would love to see a spreadsheet of an official rating / prediction before each set and then what it actually turns out to be. And categorize by person. Looking at you Richard
I remember a few of their hot takes from MH3. Richard and Crim thought Phlage and Sorin were completely unplayable bad cards, and they were both skeptical of Necrodominance. I think those were the egregious misses from MH3.
Actually Crim, end the festivities may have rotated, but we have tectonic hazard since LCI that does the exact same thing.
Just a fun idea that most likely people allready had: sheldred plus the new gift cards/ counterspell to protect her 👀
Richard last week: this set is 100% powercreep, it sucks
Richard this week: all cards in this set are unplayable, it sucks
Maha having trample is extremly strong. Think about it, all blockers are x/1s so damage is coming.
It might be a stretch but some sort of keyword (trample/firststrike) tribal with maha could be a deck.
With Cruelclaw, you exile the card first, then you can discard at any time to cast at any time right? Isn't that crazy?
Not at any time. "You may cast that card by discarding a card rather than paying its mana cost." With this wording your only opportunity is right there as you are resolving the trigger. If you opt not to you lose the opportunity. Same with Chandra, Torch of Defiance: "+1: Exile the top card of your library. You may cast that card. If you don’t, Chandra, Torch of Defiance deals 2 damage to each opponent." Chandra would run into issues if it did not work that way. You would have to figure out when the 2 damage is dealt if not at the effect's resolution.
If you can cast (or play) the card at any time other than while resolving the effect if gets specified. See Cruelclaw's Heist: "you may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled" Unstable Amulet: "You may play it until you exile another card with Unstable Amulet." Seek the Beast: "Exile the top two cards of your library. Until your next end step, you may play those cards."
Love you Richard
I really hope the crew sees this. Even when I think the takes are really "silly" or overly negative. I dont take it personally.
So basically, be true to yourself. Let the haters mald in comments, its still video engagement!
A take may be bad but who cares. It doesn't affect anyone.
Vinelasher seems similar enough to the Mill crabs that it might be good enough for modern. Fetch shock mana starts most players at 17, 17 x 3 is 51 which is around the starting deck size so 1 damage is mostly equivalent to 3 cards milled.
Maja. Modern. Orcish bowmasters. GG.
Fountainport doesn’t tap for color which is an issue
Once the card's activated abilities become relevant, having one colorless land shouldn't be a huge deal.
@@DylanHunter64yes but youre not only going to draw it once the abilities become relevant
@@OctopiWalgreens I think most decks are able to function with a colorless source out. Obviously if you have too many it's an issue, but most mana bases have like maybe 20% colorless sources? I think it's pretty negligible, the times it bites you are far fewer than the times they are useful, at least in my experience playing lands like this
Richard has the best comments
I don't get the comparison between Three Tree City and Nykthos, it's much more in-line with Cabal Coffers. They function basically identically.
Not really. Nykthos keys off of specific nonland permanents, as does three tree city. Coffers cares about swamps. How is that more in line?
I think long rivers pull is a tricky card to evaluate. It could be good card for sideboard in many control decks, but I think it will see its best in decks that really exploit its qualities. I can imagine decks with sheoldred having a lot of fun with all these gift a card effects, but the best kind of decks for this card in particular is mono blue tempo where you don't care about the card advantage you are giving to your opponent if it gives you the precies moment to interrupt anything, and that's huge in a format with cavern of souls, since you can be flexible with your main deck, not to mention the fact that in mono blue the UU cost doesn't matter at all. The real question is if there is any strong monoblue tempo deck in standard or at least a dimir deck (with sheoldred and other gift a card effects) that can efficiently use this card.
I could see it being in blue tempo decks too, like some haughty djinn deck. I don’t think control can run it, decks going the long run can’t afford to 2 for 1 themselves, I think a lot of people are a bit too high on the card but it’s not unplayable.
lovely episode thanks
The reason thoughtseize is good s because it takes apart the opponents best card and it shows you the opponents gameplan so it allows you to adapt your plays to maximise your deck
Long rivers pull is like remand in an everything is a bomb meta
Well except you don’t also draw a card
yeah
IMO the rare time in 1v1 I would want to gift with cruel claws heist is if I don't have blue and am playing against blue, ripping a counterspell when you normally wouldnt have access to them is huge.
51:10 looter for discarding madness emralul eldrazi..🎉🎉
24:32 ward discard.. Eldrazi Emralul MADNESS cost.. ❤❤got em 🎉
iridescent vinelasher might be good in black burn!
I'm wondering if Boros Sunspine Lynx could be a modern playable deck? You'd have Ephemerate to flicker the Lynx. Solitude won't gain your opponents life when the Lynx is down. And you have Phlage as another strong threat... I'm not enough of a modern player to know if it could work, but it sounds possible
4/1 Sheoldred can be targeted with Cut Down :) and then Saffron said it :)
Iridescent Vinelasher pitches to Grief, so it's automatically playable in Modern.
Missing out on Vren - exile the creatures from your opponent's graveyard. Quite easy to get a huge number that way
"where X is the number of creatures your opponents controlled that were exiled this turn." Do cards in graveyard have a controller? They have an owner. But not sure about a controller.
@@ShiroyWolf you're right - I misread it
Is Long River's Pull cEDH viable? It kills a player resolving thoracle and it's a counter.
it for sure will I think. The gift aspect is better in 4 player formats, in politics it's an upside not a downside usually, and like Crim said even if it's down to 2 players giving a card is still better than losing
Here for another fun episode of Richard's bad takes.
Crim ok? He seems _defeated_ after the 500 appearances on other commander shows and being a vagabond..
He's just super busy at the moment. He's been on the road for the past three weeks and is in the middle of moving.
I don’t see people playing around Sunspine as much as Richard thinks. People are so greedy in MTG and want to play all the colors and every spell.
Lunar convocation is probably gonna be cracked in standard because it's a bad greed. The tokens and life loss is cool but the real power is having a life to card converter for the lifegain decks.
my hot take is that the two black non-maha elementals will see as much if not more play in a sacrifice shell
Cruelclaw is another Preacher. Breeches, Jasper Flint, Glissa. Etrata, even. That is, a 3 mana value engine that eats removal they should probably save for your real threat, because if they don't kill it or stonewall it, it is still more than capable of running away with the game by itself.
Once the comments section actually listened to the whole podcast they realised “yeah Richard is right”
I'm surprised no one is talking about Consurcation Mage
Emberheart Challenger and Shuko go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
The best new card in standard is Fabled Passage
YOOOOOOOO
it's a bad card and it's too expensive. it's one of the best reason to not play standard format.
@@fablodibongo1150huh?
🎉 new magic cards!
I want to use Sunspine Lynx with Fortune, Loyal Steed.
Yu-Gi-Oh players hearing frogs might be good in MTG starting to sweat.
All i’m saying is the lynx makes a essence scatter seem pretty good…
I do not see why Richard is getting clowned on, his takes were fine. I really like his take on The Infamous Cruelclaw.
Bloomburrow seemed to balance all five colors on all three levels of the game. They all have great one drop beatdown cards. Good mid range game bombs and utility cards. And big finishers. All the tribes are balanced and equally strong with unique keywords to their tribes. Feels like Onslaught back in the day. The only color I think got treated bad was green in the legendary mythic slot. The other four are INSANE cards but the big green, vigilance and reach that reanimates lands is kind of.....meh.
Positivity thanks for the video
Can't you cast adventures off the top with the frog?
normally I'm okay giving Richard crap but he seemed pretty reasonable this episode. he's not a monster or a cartoon character lol.
I challenge Seth or Richard to Modern over spell table 9pm Indiana time!
Winner takes all!
Cruelclaw vs. Charbelcher decks is GG.
Here to defend Richard!
Love this podcast
(Ok sometimes I sigh at his takes, but come ooon. I think you are overreacting! Last podcast was a real nice listen, don’t you think?)
Edit: I havent listened to this episode yet
I’m not really excited to draft this set. Feels like it’ll get pretty samey with a lot of aggro. Hope I’m wrong, though.
I appreciate you Richard
I think the thought seize Will be good for this reason basically both players draw a card, but you still thought sieze them
What happened to pioneer 😢 gotta talk about modren also
So this is a tribal set, where there is a question if any of the tribes can be a tier standard deck....well done WotC, it's Ixalan 2.0 lol
I worry about this set aging more poorly than other strong sets because of the strong tribal focus. We're probably not going to get many more raccoons or squirrels or frogs or otters this standard cycle. So unless the card is broadly strong i just think they'll get weaker faster as more sets come out.
Richard is right on the counter spell. Giving your opponent a card isn't some edge case ok situation. it's game losing.
I know it’s not exactly related but I’m at the point where I feel like the community should be calling for a ban on the one ring in commander and modern
One word: Richard