Great video as always. With the current shortage of Electricians and trades people in general. Why are they always trying to make it more difficult for people to enter the industry? Seems to me this may scare some school leavers rather than encourageing them. I went down the EAL route which took me to gain my level 3 qualifications. I am now currently taking my QSQ course for Qualified supervisor, just to be able to join a CPS. I'm currently 65Yo and changed my career to Domestic installer in 2021 after being made redundant.
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So we have a shortage of trained tradesmen, especially electricians but the qualifications are not encouraging those who want a trade. They are designing a new route to university. If someone follows the T-level route and arrives at university to read Electrical Engineering, the reality of the level of mathematics that is required will be a huge shock. Calculus and differential equations are some of the easier elements. The ability to rearrange algebraic equations is a must. If you don't like mathematics which is the language of engineering, don't apply. Just a little point of interest, I used to teach at Dudley College.
I did a level 2&3 and the a nvq level 3 with eal. The reason the college went with it was because they allowed three of the seven cables used, containment etc to be simulated in college. So if you didn’t use it at work it made it easier for people. Whereas C&G wouldn’t allow that.
They really need have just one path to becoming an electrician, it would keep everything simple. You need XYZ to be an electrician, if you don’t have this you cant be called an electrician. Scrap all this nonsense about being a domestic installer. Everyone dose the same level of training to become an electrician. The company I do work for, won’t employ anyone now that dose not have a JIB gold card, unless you’re an apprentice. We had so many people turning up with part qualifications , patchy experience all they did was cause problems and then would leave, since the change, no problems at all.
The electrical industry qualifications are so confusing and so many different courses. They need to change the layout and just have a couple routes. I’m old school and did the 2330-2, 2330-3, NVQ 2251-2, NVQ 2251-3, then the 2395, 2396. Plus lots of regs and updates. Now having to do 2346 for the NIC QS!
The same qualifications in City and Guilds won’t qualify you to register with the NICEIC either. It’s the NVQ and AM2 that’s the gateway qualification.
@@MrIbib It is now but it didn't use to be. EAL used to be enough for the competent person scheme but it isn't any longer. I'm just trying to figure out why people would still do EAL or C&G if you can't get Napit or NIC membership with it.
Dont waste your money on eal level 3 go through city and guilds level 2 and then level 3 tonlesrn properly if you dont you will loose your money on the eal course its a scam
Did my level 2 and 3 couldn't get an apprenticeship but now work for one of the world largest loadbank manufacturing building generator/ups/ equipment ranging frfom 10kw up to 7mva, Site based but most jobs are bespoke so lots of variation.
Having previously employed apprentices I am not interested in a great string of academic GCSE's. I want applicants to have a reasonable understanding of Maths, English and Science. Be able to talk with customers, plan and impilement projects and be able to use the tools of the trade, With this over reliance on GCSE's to access if a candidate is suitable apprentice electrician is a mistake I think we could end up with alot of apprenices who are like Light houses in a dessert, bright but no use! I would like to see an apptitude based assessment tes.
May not be on point, but what ever happened to the old C&G 2360, and the numerous electricians forced out of the trade due to NVQ level 3 requirements by trade associations and regulatory bodies, I get the NVQ route as it implies you can physically do the job but some 34 years experience cannot be replaced, I started my training in 1989 and had to carry out plumbing plastering as part of my apprenticeship also. Ps carrying out the role of NICEIC QS for over 20 years now.
I've done the eal level 2 and 3 in 2020 2021, was planning doing the 18th and inspection and testing and signing up with nic/napit. The goal post were moved when I was coming to the end of the course. I'm now unable to get employment to complete the nvq yet apparently electricians are in high demand. An awful industry to try and break into.
I'm currently undertaking my EAL Level 2 & 3. Fortunately I work in the Electrical industry but some of my college colleagues (who don't work in the industry but want to) have stated to me that when ringing around for work they have been faced with the response of "Sorry we don't recognise any EAL qualifications within the industry, you will have to call us back when you have been awarded C&G certificates!" Can anyone shed any light on this as to what is right or wrong? Are certain firms talking nonsense when it comes to this issue or not? As there are a few people including myself who are now questioning everything, as "we" (us at college) don't what to be wasting time, effort and money on courses that will be worthless down the line. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
This is a good video. But as a layman with years of experience (read as : old fart) I can’t help thinking : how does ANYONE understand all this stuff? Not the electrics of course. That’s relatively easy. Little wonder we have a skills shortage. As a 16 year old I would look at all this and think: ‘learn to code’. Or, go to the skate park and neck some cider.
I’ve completed the city & guilds level 2 in electrical installation ( 8202-2 ) and pretty much completed the level 3 and am awaiting on my results!! Just a bit confused as to where to go next?, I understand I need to do a NVQ level 3!! but how am a to get into the industry if everyone wants a qualified electrician or a mate with at least 2 years experience!! Any advice would be appreciated
Acrreditaion of prior learning, so any units or awards earned from a previous qualification can be carried over to a new one as long as they along the same learning pathway.
Hi. I came upon your channel while researching electrical installation courses. I am looking at enrolling for a Level 2 Diploma in Electrical Installation C&G 2365 LV2 at Coventry College. I am looking at the part time course - 1 day a week - as I currently work part time. I am coming up to collecting my government cheque and am looking at ultimately doing those little domestic jobs that it is hard to find someone to do - I have had that experience myself. I am not looking at being full time employed - I watched your qualifications video and got a bit lost with the domestic installation area of being an electrician. Would I need a level 3 to do domestic installtions? What wouild be the best route to becoming just a domestic installer. Hope you clear this up for me. Cheers -
I’m currently doing the level 2 and 3 city and guilds 2365 course as well as the portfolio afterwards, 2357 I believe from memory. After this can I join a CPS or am I required to sit the AM2 as well, already working in industry but if I was to go self employed would I need the AM2?
I have the EAL 500/4385/7 Level 2. However a lot of centres dont recognise it as a level 2 which is a shame. Now im told to work towards 2365 Level 2 and 3. Any idea why they can't bridge it over where i can just do the level 3?
Hey i am doing msc in electronics and electrical. I want to do some certifications in city and guild but I don’t know where to start or where to register with or where to register.
Just for clarification, if you currently do a level 2 there is a pathway onto the level 3 apprenticeship with some time taken off in lieu exams taken (more options/opportunities), does the T levels offer the same, or are you tied into a two year course with no qualification after the first year, and even on completion no guarantee of becoming a domestic electrician or working with an employer to complete your portfolio , the only guaranteed path is more debt and a university course.
I have just completed my EAL Level 2 and it was great. Personally I think it’s far superior to C&G as it is much more thorough and we have to create a portfolio folder which is unheard of on C&G.
@@nialbuckley5785 I have plenty of mates that have done the Level 2 C&G and they have done nothing of the sort. My point is that EAL is much more extensive than C&G and overall i felt that we had a much greater understanding of the industry and the course.
I did my EAL 1605 L3 NVQ, my AM2 and EAL L3 initial and periodic etc privately with family being in the trade already giving me the experience and jobs to make a portfolio, got my ECS gold card about one month before I turned 20 years old. The AM2 is the benchmark it separates the ones who can and the ones can’t do to the required standards.. it is surprisingly challenging.
Great video as always. With the current shortage of Electricians and trades people in general. Why are they always trying to make it
more difficult for people to enter the industry? Seems to me this may scare some school leavers rather than encourageing them.
I went down the EAL route which took me to gain my level 3 qualifications. I am now currently taking my QSQ course for Qualified
supervisor, just to be able to join a CPS. I'm currently 65Yo and changed my career to Domestic installer in 2021 after being made
redundant.
@@billsbasementworkshop1902 much respect for doing that at an advanced age mate; most people don’t have the 🥎 🥎 to do that in the 30s.
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So we have a shortage of trained tradesmen, especially electricians but the qualifications are not encouraging those who want a trade. They are designing a new route to university. If someone follows the T-level route and arrives at university to read Electrical Engineering, the reality of the level of mathematics that is required will be a huge shock. Calculus and differential equations are some of the easier elements. The ability to rearrange algebraic equations is a must. If you don't like mathematics which is the language of engineering, don't apply.
Just a little point of interest, I used to teach at Dudley College.
Thanks for your fantastic comment 👍🏻
I did a level 2&3 and the a nvq level 3 with eal. The reason the college went with it was because they allowed three of the seven cables used, containment etc to be simulated in college.
So if you didn’t use it at work it made it easier for people. Whereas C&G wouldn’t allow that.
They really need have just one path to becoming an electrician, it would keep everything simple.
You need XYZ to be an electrician, if you don’t have this you cant be called an electrician.
Scrap all this nonsense about being a domestic installer. Everyone dose the same level of training to become an electrician.
The company I do work for, won’t employ anyone now that dose not have a JIB gold card, unless you’re an apprentice. We had so many people turning up with part qualifications , patchy experience all they did was cause problems and then would leave, since the change, no problems at all.
Some fantastic points Danny thanks for commenting 👍🏻
The electrical industry qualifications are so confusing and so many different courses. They need to change the layout and just have a couple routes.
I’m old school and did the 2330-2, 2330-3, NVQ 2251-2, NVQ 2251-3, then the 2395, 2396. Plus lots of regs and updates. Now having to do 2346 for the NIC QS!
Thanks for commenting Ian 👍🏻
So, as things stand, the EAL Level 3 isn't enough to get NIC or Napit membership? Then what's the point of doing it?
The same qualifications in City and Guilds won’t qualify you to register with the NICEIC either.
It’s the NVQ and AM2 that’s the gateway qualification.
@@MrIbib It is now but it didn't use to be. EAL used to be enough for the competent person scheme but it isn't any longer. I'm just trying to figure out why people would still do EAL or C&G if you can't get Napit or NIC membership with it.
Dont waste your money on eal level 3 go through city and guilds level 2 and then level 3 tonlesrn properly if you dont you will loose your money on the eal course its a scam
@@Raj-ul9my But why would you do either of those if they can't get you NIC or Napit membership anymore?
@BobBobOnRUclips they are underpinning quals required by CPS as well as NVQ and AM2, that's exactly what NAPIT told me when I enquired
Completely gone against the Data Protection Act. !!!! Video Time: 18:27. Sharing very personal information online!!
Did my level 2 and 3 couldn't get an apprenticeship but now work for one of the world largest loadbank manufacturing building generator/ups/ equipment ranging frfom 10kw up to 7mva, Site based but most jobs are bespoke so lots of variation.
I did the 8202 advance technical diploma lv3 and just doing my NVQ now
Thats amazing. I did the same but still looking for work for my nvq haha
Having previously employed apprentices I am not interested in a great string of academic GCSE's. I want applicants to have a reasonable understanding of Maths, English and Science. Be able to talk with customers, plan and impilement projects and be able to use the tools of the trade, With this over reliance on GCSE's to access if a candidate is suitable apprentice electrician is a mistake I think we could end up with alot of apprenices who are like Light houses in a dessert, bright but no use! I would like to see an apptitude based assessment tes.
I did Level 3 C&G 8202 and NICEIC said they don't accept this qualification as for domestic installer scheme...
May not be on point, but what ever happened to the old C&G 2360, and the numerous electricians forced out of the trade due to NVQ level 3 requirements by trade associations and regulatory bodies, I get the NVQ route as it implies you can physically do the job but some 34 years experience cannot be replaced, I started my training in 1989 and had to carry out plumbing plastering as part of my apprenticeship also.
Ps carrying out the role of NICEIC QS for over 20 years now.
I've done the eal level 2 and 3 in 2020 2021, was planning doing the 18th and inspection and testing and signing up with nic/napit. The goal post were moved when I was coming to the end of the course. I'm now unable to get employment to complete the nvq yet apparently electricians are in high demand. An awful industry to try and break into.
I'm currently undertaking my EAL Level 2 & 3. Fortunately I work in the Electrical industry but some of my college colleagues (who don't work in the industry but want to) have stated to me that when ringing around for work they have been faced with the response of "Sorry we don't recognise any EAL qualifications within the industry, you will have to call us back when you have been awarded C&G certificates!" Can anyone shed any light on this as to what is right or wrong? Are certain firms talking nonsense when it comes to this issue or not? As there are a few people including myself who are now questioning everything, as "we" (us at college) don't what to be wasting time, effort and money on courses that will be worthless down the line. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
This is a good video. But as a layman with years of experience (read as : old fart) I can’t help thinking : how does ANYONE understand all this stuff? Not the electrics of course. That’s relatively easy. Little wonder we have a skills shortage. As a 16 year old I would look at all this and think: ‘learn to code’. Or, go to the skate park and neck some cider.
Interesting thought and thanks for them
All very confusing. 236/1 236/2, AM1 AM2 simples.
True
I am throughly confused. I do not know how to start now. As an adult career changer I do not know where to go and what to do. 😵💫🤯😵🥴
I’ve completed the city & guilds level 2 in electrical installation ( 8202-2 ) and pretty much completed the level 3 and am awaiting on my results!! Just a bit confused as to where to go next?, I understand I need to do a NVQ level 3!! but how am a to get into the industry if everyone wants a qualified electrician or a mate with at least 2 years experience!!
Any advice would be appreciated
Great video gentleman once again. Looked like everyone enjoyed themselves. Good clear information given out too on all the courses mentioned. 💪
Thanks Chris
T levels will APL over to a 5357 but it will still take 24 months minimum to complete the port folio and on job training
What is APL
Acrreditaion of prior learning, so any units or awards earned from a previous qualification can be carried over to a new one as long as they along the same learning pathway.
Hi. I came upon your channel while researching electrical installation courses. I am looking at enrolling for a Level 2 Diploma in Electrical Installation C&G 2365 LV2 at Coventry College. I am looking at the part time course - 1 day a week - as I currently work part time. I am coming up to collecting my government cheque and am looking at ultimately doing those little domestic jobs that it is hard to find someone to do - I have had that experience myself. I am not looking at being full time employed - I watched your qualifications video and got a bit lost with the domestic installation area of being an electrician. Would I need a level 3 to do domestic installtions? What wouild be the best route to becoming just a domestic installer. Hope you clear this up for me. Cheers -
Level 3 & Am2
I’m currently doing the level 2 and 3 city and guilds 2365 course as well as the portfolio afterwards, 2357 I believe from memory. After this can I join a CPS or am I required to sit the AM2 as well, already working in industry but if I was to go self employed would I need the AM2?
Great video guys.
Let me know if you are ever heading to Derby again. Would love to have you to our office for a cuppa.
I have the EAL 500/4385/7 Level 2. However a lot of centres dont recognise it as a level 2 which is a shame. Now im told to work towards 2365 Level 2 and 3. Any idea why they can't bridge it over where i can just do the level 3?
any online certification available ?
Interesting stuff guys.
Thanks as always 🦾
Congratulations 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Q? What's best C&G , or eal
I like both
Hey i am doing msc in electronics and electrical. I want to do some certifications in city and guild but I don’t know where to start or where to register with or where to register.
Thankfully in Scotland we don’t except 2 year wonders on part P courses. We only do real apprenticeships.
I will hopefully cover this in the future 👍🏻
*accept
Do you offer on line course on electrical studies, if yes how we go about it.
When do T levels start
They are available at some colleges now
What about LCL?
For those of us from the USA, all I can say is “what?”
UK is a dead end man
Just for clarification, if you currently do a level 2 there is a pathway onto the level 3 apprenticeship with some time taken off in lieu exams taken (more options/opportunities), does the T levels offer the same, or are you tied into a two year course with no qualification after the first year, and even on completion no guarantee of becoming a domestic electrician or working with an employer to complete your portfolio , the only guaranteed path is more debt and a university course.
I have just completed my EAL Level 2 and it was great. Personally I think it’s far superior to C&G as it is much more thorough and we have to create a portfolio folder which is unheard of on C&G.
Thanks for your thoughts 👍🏻
C&G you have to complete a portfolio via reflective accounts on one file
@@nialbuckley5785 I have plenty of mates that have done the Level 2 C&G and they have done nothing of the sort. My point is that EAL is much more extensive than C&G and overall i felt that we had a much greater understanding of the industry and the course.
@@oli5543I'm doing my level 2 eal as well hopefully on December I get qualified, so you think is better than city and guilds?
@@e11412each have their own advantages to be honest. Level 2 wise though I think EAL is superior
I did my EAL 1605 L3 NVQ, my AM2 and EAL L3 initial and periodic etc privately with family being in the trade already giving me the experience and jobs to make a portfolio, got my ECS gold card about one month before I turned 20 years old.
The AM2 is the benchmark it separates the ones who can and the ones can’t do to the required standards.. it is surprisingly challenging.
im interested on doing EAL 1605, would mind to share your experience?
Can anybody help me to come UK i am electrician working in Qatar
Is there any job vacancy for electrician