Pre Arrival: Heavy Fire Showing, Whitehall, Pa - 6.14.21
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2021
- Whitehall firefighters were alerted to the 900 Blk of Pennsylvania St for a reported house fire, crews arrive to heavy smoke and fire coming from the residence and put lines in service to knock down the fire which is under investigation.....
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Good job filming mike. Your closeups of the firefighters were great. Most people need a tripod they are shaking so much. And they film mostly the flames whitch is like watching paint dry. You had great up-close transitions. I ducted when the guy pulled the ladder off the truck I felt I was that close. The fire fighters are the story content and the fire is just the reason why. Keep up the good work. Retired Firefighter, James
seems like he has experience and knows what hes doing
When the chief on the only line deployed does more than everyone on scene
The chief makes more money than anyone else, so yeah, he should do more work than anyone else.
The chief shouldent be doing ANY work
"We need a hydrant ..." Well, yes you do, and you should know in advance where they are.
It is LITERALLY impossible to reach this house via public streets without passing a hydrant. The farthest one is under 600' away from the front door, but the incident commander(s) don't know this. How is this possible?
Yes you do need a firehidren
@@jasminelindros8923
Yea I’m not exactly sure why that engine didn’t just lay right in . Or reverse lay out . Maybe if the chiefs were running the fire and not putting it out they could have give Those orders ?
Are they not allowed to use their hoses until the arial units have arrived?
Put the hose pipe through the grooves l o l
Just a FYI , if you cut into that garage door about a blades length a foot away or even closer to that handle the door will go right up . All you have to do is cut that cross bar that locks both sides of the door . Normally one cut will release the lock and it will roll up
Well these are a bunch of Dylan's and Caden's so they wouldn't fuckin know that. I bet they can unlock any door in minecraft though.
I agree, but where was the show? They don't have to parade with all the equipment as if it's the 4th of July and not a fire
@@iuliandragomir1 LOL your right, I could put out that fire by myself faster than all these guys together.
Good video production. I wish you had a time displayed so we can see how much time elapsed till it was out.
Just watched 20 vids in a row from Pa firefighters ! First one firemen use water before Insurance Co comes up, and did the job! Congratulations real firefighters!
I guess everyone gets to be a chief in this place.
Even you from your Lazy Boy. Time to suck out those old farts. They are piling up .
hats?
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@@mikhailt.v8729 Yes but your gut still looks like it is at war with your pants.
The guy who's in charge is just a glorified babysitter. The fact that the chief DOESN'T have to stand around telling people what needs to be done is pretty good to me
A Brick House can be leveled in a matter of seconds, when I was in High School a predominantly wealthy Family lived in a brick Ranch, I saw the house the next morning going to School, it was gone, burned to the ground. This was 31 Years Ago.
Edit : I live in Pennsylvania and Our Firefighters are Professionals ! Nice Work Guys. I'm not too far from Pittsburgh.
That's because it just the facade of the house. It's like siding only on the outside
C.H.A.O.S
Chiefs Have Arrived On Scene
😂😂😂😂
So true! Just like my bosses at work!
Chief Has An Operational Solution
Kansas City Chiefs? In Steele's territory
GREAT CATCH ! THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
the stations must be far away from this neighborhood , this house was gone before they got there
Do you know how advanced the fire was when it was called in? I've seen buildings that were fully involved before dispatch. I'd hesitate to jump to conclusions...
Nice to see the air packs are just for decoration. Lots to pick apart on this one. This is why we train.
And no need for any eyepro when smashing second floor windows. Only babies worry about that.
@@asbestosfiber safety Nazis; please STFU
we had garage by the NYS line on SR 11 where the last fire hydrant on the PA failed to work along with the line on the NY side of the boarder. The Conklin pumper truck had to drive into a field and pump water from the river due to water lines failing and hydrants not being maintained by the water companies.
I passed that Monday weird to see it burnt to the ground.
@@jeffheyman8537 we were talking about that at the borough council meeting and it raised some questions about hydrants in the borough since they do not want the fire company to check them. Then there is what happened at the Summit Inn with the pipe under the creek that failed. The funny part was, NMMA could not find the leak, then even put on Facebook for people to look for a leak. Then they called in PA American Water to help them and found in a few hours. We even had inquires by PA American water about NMMA at the sewer plant.
While there is not a fire can't somebody from the fire department go out and check hydrants.
So many trucks and they only have one hose working , what a waste of resources
The people handling the ladders LOL
This is what aggravated me when I was a firefighter, You have battalion chiefs and captains and lieutenants grab in the noz zle and everything else when it's the job of us firefighters to do it because they had their time but Tanya's you don't belong going into the structure or being on the hoseline!!!!!
Thanks for your career as a volunteer firefighter
@@aclass9830 Be an adult!!!
Short staffed, they had to pick up the slack. Volunteer company.
everyone gets a white shield
God Bless the one man ladder putter upper..
As a person who uses a ladder every day I cringed at their skills!
Rule 1 of the fire service…
DON’T END UP ON RUclips
Do those departments issue fire gloves? If two people are struggling to control an 1 3/4" line, you probably are pumping it with too much pressure....
Thats a pretty nice house to use for training like that.
The brick colour is awful in my opinion
I thought the same thing due to windows already being vented. But then I thought maybe its abandoned
@@Eginhardt looks like they may be old reclaimed bricks
@@dustinwhite4215 If it was abandoned then it’s likely that all of the utilities were cut off since nobody would be there and there wouldn’t be anyway for a fire to start.
@@TheWaynelds mice with matches; they'll get you every time.
Hope everyone has got out u firefighters are the real heroes out there risking your lives to save others running into fires when people are running out played fire fighting simulator was bad enough
Thanks guys for all you do!
Thank you for the video. Hopefully it can be used in their post review of this fire to improve their tactics. They will need it.
After watching a lot of videos from these guys over time past year or so, they don't seem to be doing any good, if anything they just get worse
Hopefully they can use it to justify starting a fire department.
@@justanotherguy1110 Agreed. They're pathetic. While doing a dangerous job too.
Anyone know if this is an all volunteer, combination, or career department?
@@renbag Its all volunteer. 4 stations in Whitehall Township. The Chief is a paid career position who oversees all 4 stations.
Just one line in operations??. Correct me if I'm wrong..
Great camera work, awsome hustle to attack the fire.
I've never seen fire captains and fire chiefs in full gear on the hose like that before
The art of a blitz attack is lost these days🥲
deck gun is your friend
Please stop!
Big fire, big water!
Don't lead off with a 1 3/4" handline!
@@chrisbarr1359 This...
@@chrisbarr1359 Hooray! I wasn't the only one who after one look thought 2 1/2 minimum attack line. This one was too far gone before anyone got there. When I ran with the Box-4 Fire Buffs in Dallas (1980's), SOP was first in, Deck gun, second in gets the plug. Unless...radio traffic "Pull up your boots and bring your water with you". Then everybody that could caught a plug. I remember before I became a volunteer Fire fighter, still a kid, I rode my bicycle to a 4-11 apartment fire 10 miles away and seeing two pumpers drafting out of the swimming pool. That was back before Houston ran enough 50 and 60 inch water mains so there was plenty of water. Another one, late 70's apartment fire, common attic, a block away there was one lone 1950's vintage Mack pumper, connected to the steamer outlet of a plug that had been hit by a car. Another pumper dropped 2- 21/2's off the side outlets(before the days of LDH). Mack pumper was pumping out all 4 of his 2 1/2 outlets...and driver made a comment that he was supplying 1/3 of all the water going on the fire and he still had 60lbs of static pressure on the main. Didn't make sense at the time, but I later found out the city had a 60" going west and a different 60" going north from the freeway. Now days, since that area has "grown up" the city has the 60" which was replaced about 10 years ago and added a pair of 48 inch mains down the same street. All 3 lines have booster pumps every few miles. No water shortages now.
Great going guys. Thank you
I'm just here to read all the comments from the RUclips firefighters, telling us what the actual firefighters are doing wrong. Never ceases to amuse me.
Here's what gets me (not necessarily about this specific video, but rather in general) - most of the time, we get one angle, which shows maybe 120 degrees of visibility at best, with NO real visibility into what's going on through the vast majority of the fire ground, coupled with miscellaneous jump cuts which make it impossible to know how the video time corresponds to actual chronological time on scene, we usually know nothing about the specific department's policies, staffing, response times for mutual aid units, etc., etc., etc.
So despite knowing a little bit about maybe 4 or 5 variables out of about 200 that affect the outcomes, the armchair quarterbacks instantly assume they know everything about what's going on, and proceed to pass judgment about what they see.
It's quite ridiculous, frankly.
@@PhillipRhodes Oh, come on, now. Don't you know that a single RUclips video captures everything? And don't you know that anyone can analyze a fire from that video and reconstruct all variables? The fact, discovered after the fire, that it was probably arson couldn't have anything to do with the progress of the fire, could it? The comment that says they should have gone inside to be more effective in knocking down the fire is surely right -- even though the second floor of this house collapsed and would have killed anyone inside.
All sarcasm aside, the commenters who have actually worked in boots and a helmet may have some excuse for critiquing the firefighters, but even they seem to me too often to lack measure and caution in their comments.
Ha ha it's hilarious. RUclips experts also have the real estate crisis figured out and all worlds problems. It's so entertaining these RUclips experts are amazing wealth.of stupidity and cluelessness that will never be found anywhere else on earth. What a privilege we have to see these experts share their meaningless opinions
You can't tell me this ain't a fuckin shit show .
Not much could be done here. Surround and drowned. Post flashover disaster. Master streams!!!
Saw roof of chief first on scene, should have been on radio instructing second in to pick up hydrant! Tower on scene, second in engine and a fire fighter says we need a hydrant. Wow!
Do they have a lot of chiefs riding or do the white helmets mean something else
Looking at their helmet shields they do appear to all be chiefs. A crap ton of them!
Time to demote a few of those dum dums; too many BC’s man, looked a little timid to me!
With that many chiefs I’m willing to bet still none of them completed a 360 🤦🏻♂️
Let’s play a game how many dam Cheif’s do you see
Bet one did, and your eyes just seen what they wanted,
@@kingrorytm2211 let’s play a game, how many asshole comments can be made by dumb asses who know nothing…
@@glennhuber4975 nah my eyes saw what the video showed me. 👍🏼
lost the back side of the development no worries
Great video dude!!!!
When you get defeated by the 14foot ladder 😂
This fire dept is slow in putting a fire out?
no its just the fire has nothing left to burn
Nice video Mike!
I definitely have a healthy respect for fire. There times I don't sleep at night from fear of not being able to react.
...Nasty state of affairs when you hear a fire crackling like that! It means it's of considerable size and/or magnitude, and there's plenty there to continue to fuel it! Most times, there usually won't be much to salvage afterwards...
Living in Whitehall, Pa., you need fire sprinklers. Engine 3911 pulls up without securing a hydrant. WOW!!
Lot of discussion on this one probably after the fire itself they should critique it absolutely Officers first and combined afterwards house was going good on arrival btw
all told, the lack of communication as to the location of the hydrant slowed the crew from getting on it, but it looked to me as if they did the best they could with what they had.
i’d say though that entering the structure from the ground certain is not good procedure!
That's a total loss. I Hope the family have insurance for that house
If not for being brick, it would have burned to the ground. Just another example of how newer homes go up in flames in just minutes.
The house was going to be rebuilt.
6 trucks and 1 hoseline out of all of them. Some must fail so that others may learn.
WOW, just WOW!!!
Great example of a bad example! Maybe this department uses their RIT engine to lay a line.
With all those firefighters standing around with their hands in their pockets, and their mouths open in wonderment, how come no firefighter helped the lone firefighter with the aluminum ladder to help him set it up against the outer wall?
The poor guy looked like he was fighting a monster in extending the ladder around sightseers wearing firefighting gear.
The lone ladder handling firefighter looked like Moe working alone with the other Stooges making sandwiches during the blaze.
That’s a one man ladder but that firefighter obviously lacked training/experience. I do agree with you though when someone struggles usually others will help out. Poor job by this bunch.
You can go inside, it makes things a lot easier.
Can you drive your Barcalounger actually on the street?
@@RLTtizME that’s a good one, I’ll give you that!
As a volunteer firefighter I wouldn't send my firefighters at the beginning dont know if there 8a a risk of collapse
@@timothyratliff1422 shame on you. Using the “volunteer” title to pass the buck is an absolute disgrace. You either train to do you job well or you don’t do it at all. If you don’t want to go interior on a fire to ducking SAVE PROPERTY, and DO YOUR JOB you should hang it the fuck up dude. What a disgrace.
I’ve seen a number of videos of these folks “fighting fire”. Believe me, you don’t want them going inside.
Nice clip. Is there a full version you are going to post?
The RUclips Fire & Rescue Department is out in force in the comments section to open up a master stream of contradictory expert advice that only a “life time firefighter” watching an edited video from a single camera perspective can give. You can rest easy knowing that whatever was done here, they would have done it differently and better! To provide extra manpower, we’ve also called in mutual aid from commentators from to provide their totally practical idea that every single wood frame house in North America should be torn down and replaced with masonry construction.
I was wondering why the ff's weren't moving very fast till I read a couple of comments. This was a beautiful home at one time, but not anymore. Stay safe everyone!! God Bless you all!!
I have several large fire extinguishers around my place because if you wait for them your screwed.
I genuinely do not understand why the commenters are hating on these FFs. the ONLY thing that was actually THAT bad was the response time. They were a little unorganized but beyond that they did alright. My guess is they are underfunded and don't have the money to train or have a firehouse closer.
No it was bad. Everything about this was just hard to watch. I get it they tried but there is a clear need for someone who understands how to properly fight structure fires teach these guys how to do things. Property can be replaced but if there were a child trapped in that house do you think there would have been a coordinated effort that would have allowed an effective search to take place?
It seemed to take them a long time to get water on the fire..I only see one hose going 🤷♀️
Why so long before they put the bucket up?
volunteer's
Great footage
I wonder how long this was burning before being called in
Whitehall is a volunteer (mostly) department
@@johnbednarcik9359 Matters less than a virgin in hell. You are either trained or you are not...... I come from a vol FF family and have always lived in towns with volunteers, who trained and worked their a$$es off for their community. Any weak link was dealt with accordingly.
@@marshanotmarcia7433 what? someone was wondering how long it was burning. Whitehall township if i am not mistaken is mostly volunteer. Hence it would take a few extra minutes for the FF to either get to the station or to the fire itself. In their personal vehicles they can use the blue light but still have to follow speed limits.
I was wondering the same thing @Boat Bound, that fire had a hell of a start before being called in.
@@johnbednarcik9359 Whitehall is big enough that they should have a FULL TIME FD.
Not a critique of the firefighters .....because I’ve never done the job. But when it’s this far gone before anyone is on scene, why not just let it burn to the ground? Less use of resources, firefighters don’t risk life and limb making entry, and less crap to throw in a dumpster a few days later? Just curious. Seems a lot of these house fire videos on the Tube are total losses before anyone gets there.
Holy shit, that boy grabbing the ladder with the 2 on his helmet looked about 12
Were there cars in the garages?
Somebody please tell me this is a training video.
Why is it when any video like this is shown whether its from the USA , UK or any other part of the world, people have to be so critical and vile to each other!!!
Every fire department has its own skills and ways of dealing with these fires , im sure these firefighters wherever they are in the world do their best while risking their own lives after going through continuous ongoing training, just for other people and fire departments from around the world to slate them and put them down. Those who do just that need to get a grip and remember that sometime in these firefighters careers, theyve saved someones life! , someones property!, and someones child!!!
So stop being self rightous and just appreciate that they are there doing a job that not many people can do, cus one day you may need them!!
Its just sickening to read these negative comments!!!
If this was your house would you be satisfied with how they handled it. I bet you wouldn't. This was absolute chaos with no leadership or organization. Everyone just walking around. One or 2 hoses running. No clue where the hydrants were. This was awful and they clearly don't train nearly enough. People aren't being mean they are being honest. Honesty isn't always nice.
@@jesslambert4819 yet another judgemental person!!! Were you there? Are you so experienced in firefighting!
Mmmmm🤔 just stop it!!!!
@@dawnoakley1776 you don't know me or what I do for living. You are one of those who dislike facts. You want everything sugar coated. Facts are facts. Deal with it.
@@jesslambert4819 and you dont know me darling! But you do know that im not judgemental, unlike you!
The world would be a better place if people like you didnt have to criticise others and the job they do!
Now jog on and have a lovely day❤️
@@dawnoakley1776 you ma'am are a dimwit. Appearantly you don't know the difference between being critical and judgemental. I don't have to know you nor do I want to know you. I prefer people who are actually intelligent, have open mind and not so damn sensitive. The over sensitivity these days is nauseating. Do the world a favor and go back to your safe place. Good grief!!!
Impressive crew of all chiefs there in the beginning
A perfect explanation of CHAOS…Chief Has Arrived On Scene. I guess they don’t have firefighters just chiefs. Since when does the incident command chief get on a hose line and fight fire? And in the platform? Wow!
As usual, fast on place, but, were is the water?
Yes, the house was a loss before they pulled up. But there was so much that should have been executed much better. Why was the first line 1 1/2 and not a 2 1/2? Why were the Chiefs working the nozzle and holding hoses? Nice beard on the truckie! They need to train more and better. Back to basics like ladder drills and putting the wet stuff on the red stuff. And I am happy no one was hurt. If they had to perform a rescue, it would not be pretty. Great job of filming!
Either a training exercise, or perhaps new construction unfinished inside. There seem to be no furnishings inside any of the window, and they look like they have no glass in them. such houses burn really fast.
What made you think to lead off with your smallest water line? No bucket to the roof to vent? Where was the interior push? Why were so many firemen standing around before the tower ladder got there? How long did it take for the first due engine company to get there? Why are members using equipment with no gloves? Why did the door have to be destroyed, when the front door was open and the window for the garage was also open? Why didn't the first arriving engine lay in? Are there career companies up that way? These questions are not to be harmful, only pointing out the obvious.
Why so many stupid questions? You can do better, go to your next fore job at your local department, tell them how to do it, I bet ya get punched, I dare you!
@@glennhuber4975 Well, it just so happens that I don't have to reduce myself to violence, like yourself. My tactics are leaned from years of experience from other aggressive fire chiefs and officers. I rarely engage in "stupid questions." Maybe you should re-read the solid questions of basic fire tactics. It is not my fault that your fire district is lacking in basic training, career staff and/or a staffed station. Actually Glenn, when I arrive or did arrive at active fire grounds, I was given respect because of learned aggressive and thorough methods of fire attack. I had the privilege of having many years as a lower ranking fire officer. I became well known as an aggressive and a basic engine, ladder and rescue company officer. The tactics leaned were because of chief officers before me that I respected. I trust that you and your department should do the same, instead of becoming a bully to those who are purely asking questions and not beating you up over sloppy and dangerous fire attack methods. Oh! I almost forgot to mention a lack of NFPA facial hair policy violations. Have a safe holiday.
do the firefighters over there work that slow? sorry I'm seriously asking
That company has a shortage of volunteers. They are a good company over all. This was on the news stating they were short staffed for this incident.
@@Woodsy400 no mutual aide agreements to have other companies dispatched on a Box?
Let's suppose the firemen would all have taken massive doses of amphetamines as they jumped into the trucks on their way and worked several times faster. Now tell me how many dollars the homeowner/insurance would have saved. Everyone join in with a quote. 100,000 less damage? 10,000? Throw me some numbers.
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Great video!
I’m not criticizing but, the truck was set up but not used initially?
Looked up and found the house on Google maps. Street view shows it standing and boarded up with the date shortly after the fire. Over head view show a new house being built.
Will someone kindly explain to me why the guys who are close to the fire AREN'T wearing gloves?
Cray fire and nice footage
Chiefs…so many chiefs…
“ why didn’t you lay in”? Good question! Lol
under investigation? I'm sure that was lit!!!! 29 years police 25 years fire service.
Is there any particular reason not one handline went through the front door??
did you see the way flames are rolling out,,, god some of you people have NO clue on physics of fire
@@johnjablonski9292 you happen to know the physics of water on fire? If i remember right it's about 16,000 to 1 water to steam.............Make a little steam through a window to lay the fire down a bit ( as he did), then get their asses in their before it builds back up. Pretty simple concept, done it numerous times in my 25 years
Lots of great comments lots of fire fighting sernio s and lots of theory s but no one really knows the circumstances lucky they went home safe next time might be there last stay safe poeple your family and friends need you 🇺🇸🙏👍👍👍👍👍
Have these guys ever thrown a ground ladder before? Are they issued fire gloves?? Too many questions
Then stop asking stupid questions. I love all you at home firefighters who think they know so much.
@@glennhuber4975 You are welcome to provide some answers, Glenn, just as you are welcome to continue whining. Your choice.
@@jasminelindros8923 another country heard from, I’m a volunteer ff, and I’m not here to give lessons , but if both of you would like to come to my station, I’m sure we can fit you both with gear, get ya a nice house fire, and see how you do. It’s not called whining, it’s called sticking up for my brothers against people who have no idea.
@@glennhuber4975 Do you stick up for your brothers who are poorly trained, Glenn, and doing an amateurish or unsafe job? How long have you known PJ, so you can state that s/he has no idea? Or are you just whining? Learning and training will help you do your job better than whining, Glenn. I've never seen a "nice house fire," I've only seen property damage that I would never, ever, call "nice." What part of a burning house is "nice," Glenn?
@@glennhuber4975 yep, Im a Volunteer and NOPE, ain’t sticking up for these clowns! This is the stuff that gives us a bad name and politicians ammunition to disbanding volunteer companies… Hopefully some good can come out of this display, before someone gets hurt or killed!
I live in a rural volunteer area. 1 paid FD in the whole county. I don't know there water supply. I agree with much of what was already said. Most of our helmets are blacked out except mine LOL! However, I think this crew spends a lot of time pushing the cot. Unfortunately what most large departments do all shift anymore. Given this thing was gone when they got there. But pull a 1 and a half or 3/4? Put ladders up when you have aerial devices and a good street to deploy? No 2 and 1/2 no deck gun? We often have limited water but on that even in the rural w/o a hydrant still pull 2 and 1/2 on something like that. I don't get it. But I was not there. Thanks for your service though!
What in the heck? Four apparatuses, a dozen fire fighter, but only one line being used? Did none of the other trucks have hoses on them?
Yup that's definitely a fire that's got a big head start
Do you have to demolish the burned-out brick building, or can you rebuild something like that?
Depends on the construction and how much of the frame has survived
Another nice video of a foundation saved
Does everyone get a white helmet?? Just asking.
that house was toast when they got there
This was painful to watch...
Your comment was painful to read. Try telling that to a firefighter to his face….
What started it? prayers to the family.
owners
How sad, this was a disaster on ever level.
What the hell was that with the engine coming up code 3 and then they're asking about a hydrant? Might as well let the place go.
Big fire form1 line!
Nice work; get that front door out of the way, get that tip away from the chief and 2nd line up there stairs!! Oh, bring 2 hookmen…..once again, nice work and everybody went home!! 😁
except the homeowner.....
@@Fvtfvt shit happens
Putting the fire out yet not saving the building from being gutted completely
Nothing like the soothing sound of a cracking fire
Does anybody pick up a hydrant when they have a working fire??? They drove right by it
Y have scba’s if not going to use them. If this was In my county we would be interior as soon as we get there. This video is just embarrassing.
Being it is 2021, it is hard to believe they still put out fires like it is still the 1800's.
And how do you know how fires were fought in the 1800's, were you there?
real expert on fire fighting Patriot??? didn't think so
you have to love a brick house!
It’s okay to get dirty and do the job and take care of yourself. We serve the public, show up and do your job.
I’m fairly certain that’s exactly what they did.
I'm shocked the tower didn't go up much much sooner.
Still reading instructions
Is everyone on this department a chief?
Why cut the garage door. Front door was open.
Bet there was a man door around back too.
Their were holes in the floor.