Great overview, thank you. I have had both. I kept the San Martin, customized. The justification of the price point on luxury watches is just not doing it for me anymore. Cheers.
I like that San Martin are starting to use enamel dials for that glossier look. Unfortunately the black enamel always seems to be paired with gilt. I like that look sometimes but not always. Anyway the blue enamel dial is really good because it is really dark and in dim light it looks black, but get some bright light on it and it's a nice navy blue. I have also tried out the green enamel dial and while nice, it does look a bit "murky" green. I have owned Tudor, Rolex, Omega, JLC, Breitling and some others, but starting to prefer the cheaper San Martin and Baltany pieces now. Don't have to baby them. The clasp is good enough - especially the newer on the fly adjustable one. The only thing I like more on the Tudor is that the bracelet felt "oil dampened". They must put some kind of fluid or something in the links. Although I pull a Tudor out i hadn't worn in months and had kind of gummed up, but it soon loosened up again.
Great review. I love these kind of comparisons because they really show what you pay for with the brand name vs the always save. It's amazing how much quality you can get from these Chinese brands.
Omg I just received this watch (Tudor) 2 days ago, i bought it second hand nearly mint conditions for 2k and I now understand the meaning of luxury watch, it is completely another planet, another feeling, another wearability, I am in Love with my BB36 and It is definitively worth the money. The side case of the San Martin has the oyster perpetual shape which I like more but you cannot be disappointed with the Tudor if you try it on.
Weirdly, despite the San Martin being an extra 1mm in size, in most shots the Tudor actually looks bigger to my eye. I think it's a combination of two things: Not having the domed crystal distorting the sides means that you see more of the dial on the Tudor, plus the 19mm lug width makes the watch head appear slightly wider than the straighter lines of the SM.
I like the color combo and brightness of the Tudor....and the thinner case...and crown of the San Martin. Your dog Arthur made a brief cameo appearance I see.🐶 Happy Passover.
Great points on both and iam sure if I could see the tudor in person the little nuances would be very present and have much gravity but... I actually lean toward the design cues of the SM. I just ordered the dark blue with the sw200 mvnt for the 11/11 sale. Really looking forward to this piece. Thanks for the comparison and close ups.
My ego isn't inflaited to the degree that I would allow miniscule issues such as those mentioned here to discourage me from purchasing the San Martin. If some were to steal that from me, I wouldn't need to be on suicide watch, no pun intended either.
Great video it’s nice to see what the difference can be for watches like this. Usually just from videos it’s hard to tell but your description made it clear that luxury watches have more to them than meets the eye.
@@juniorjohnson5961 Then there's the one about how Tudor should include long sleeved shirts with their watches to hide the shame of underachievement (not having a Rolex). Moral: no matter what level you reach, there's always something "better."
I have a lot of Chinese watches Inc SanMartin but sadly they nowhere close to each other. The SanMartin fan boys are Delusional. The quality of the Tudor is in the details. As you point out the ceramic ball bearings etc are the small details that make the difference. The San Martin is a fantastic watch for the money. I have it and love it.
Interesting comparison. Thanks. Funny that the San Martin isn't closer to the Tudor. None of the differences that you point out would be particularly difficult or expensive for San Martin to copy. They have lots of watches with flat sapphire crystals. They have watches with enameled dials, although that would cost a little extra . (But hardly $2500.) The San Martin clasp is an off-the-shelf component that they use on lots of their watches. It doesn't match the Tudor's, of course, but is way better than, for instance, the ones that Seiko uses on $800 models. The division that makes San Martin cases also makes cases for relatively high-end European manufacturers. I've handled a lot of "luxury" watches from Tudor, Longines, Omega, etc, etc. Of course they are very very nice, with careful attention to details. And the labor cost in the EU is much higher than in China. Still I have a hard time believing that there's really 2 or 3 thousand dollars worth of added value in the luxury watches. $2000 would represent 20 hours of work at $100 an hour. Do they really spend 20 extra hours working on each watch? Half a week??? As you say, they're worth the money as long as someone is willing to pay the money.
I have the BB GMT on a leather strap, and yeah - that clasp is SOOOO satisfying to operate! My only beef with the leather one is that it threads in the "wrong" way - long side from the top - and it takes some getting used to. But what it does is allow the clasp to face you right-side up, looking like the Tudor logo on the shield. Very cool. Cheers!
Take the SM and add $500 materials. Better movement & better clasp. Dial color, lume color and crystal are all production decisions not additional costs. Now the SM is $800 still far below the $3,000 for the BB36. I have luxury watches that exceed the Tudor in price but the Chinese watches have come a long way for just 5 years ago, a long way.
The stark contrast of white against the glossy black looks better, so the Tudor wins in that department. I don't know why chinese brands usually insist on adding some kind of other color or a loghter shade of black, to that perfect match. I said no to a 1800-2000 dollars one right before it jumped, lol. Oh well.
It just fascinates me that a 3000 dollar watch is being compared by 300 dollar watch. Obviously tudor offer something better then san martin but if this comparison is happening San martin is doing a lot right.
I prefer the San Martin, I don't like the smiley face text or jug ear crown of the Tudor, ok, a San Martin is a poor man's Tudor but a Tudor is a poor man's Rolex so really it's horses for courses, I can buy 10 great San Martins for the price of 1 Tudor!
@@pzwolski I had a friend who was sleeping in a RV that he owned I asked him why he didn't sleep in the house he said he couldn't stand his wife anymore i said why don't you get a divorce he said ... it's cheaper to keep her !🥺
Does the San Martin watch include the Tudor name and logo? Oh, no? Yeah. Citing a definition does not make you smart. Dictionaries are available online and so does jurisprudence expanding on the matter. Educate yourself.
@@matyasd007 "Homage" is just bullshit, you can buy BB36 in every AD, "Homage" for what? In my opinion, this is plagiarism, San Martin copied other people's ideas, this is immoral behavior.
Great overview, thank you. I have had both. I kept the San Martin, customized. The justification of the price point on luxury watches is just not doing it for me anymore. Cheers.
What did you customize? I was thinking about getting it but also had some ideas for adjustments.
I like that San Martin are starting to use enamel dials for that glossier look. Unfortunately the black enamel always seems to be paired with gilt. I like that look sometimes but not always. Anyway the blue enamel dial is really good because it is really dark and in dim light it looks black, but get some bright light on it and it's a nice navy blue. I have also tried out the green enamel dial and while nice, it does look a bit "murky" green. I have owned Tudor, Rolex, Omega, JLC, Breitling and some others, but starting to prefer the cheaper San Martin and Baltany pieces now. Don't have to baby them. The clasp is good enough - especially the newer on the fly adjustable one. The only thing I like more on the Tudor is that the bracelet felt "oil dampened". They must put some kind of fluid or something in the links. Although I pull a Tudor out i hadn't worn in months and had kind of gummed up, but it soon loosened up again.
Interesting theory on the Tudor bracelet- it definitely does feel a bit different
Great review. I love these kind of comparisons because they really show what you pay for with the brand name vs the always save. It's amazing how much quality you can get from these Chinese brands.
Thank you!
Omg I just received this watch (Tudor) 2 days ago, i bought it second hand nearly mint conditions for 2k and I now understand the meaning of luxury watch, it is completely another planet, another feeling, another wearability, I am in Love with my BB36 and It is definitively worth the money. The side case of the San Martin has the oyster perpetual shape which I like more but you cannot be disappointed with the Tudor if you try it on.
Awesome! And great job finding that deal
Watched for the San Martin, but your passion with Tudor just made me want to save up money and buy it. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for watching! It’s still my favorite
Great vid dude! Love hearing your enthusiasm towards to BB 36!
Weirdly, despite the San Martin being an extra 1mm in size, in most shots the Tudor actually looks bigger to my eye. I think it's a combination of two things: Not having the domed crystal distorting the sides means that you see more of the dial on the Tudor, plus the 19mm lug width makes the watch head appear slightly wider than the straighter lines of the SM.
Great video Jonah, appreciate you going through the differences and details.
A very clear and balanced review. Very helpful. The San Martin will always be good value, but the Tudor is the obvious choice if you can afford it..
I like the color combo and brightness of the Tudor....and the thinner case...and crown of the San Martin.
Your dog Arthur made a brief cameo appearance I see.🐶
Happy Passover.
Great points on both and iam sure if I could see the tudor in person the little nuances would be very present and have much gravity but... I actually lean toward the design cues of the SM. I just ordered the dark blue with the sw200 mvnt for the 11/11 sale. Really looking forward to this piece. Thanks for the comparison and close ups.
Let me know how you like it! Thanks for watching
"Ball bearing" here = "ball detent." Engineering / mechanics term. Yeah, I know -- picky, picky, picky.
Great video, thank you for this.
My ego isn't inflaited to the degree that I would allow miniscule issues such as those mentioned here to discourage me from purchasing the San Martin. If some were to steal that from me, I wouldn't need to be on suicide watch, no pun intended either.
Thanks for the review. It gives me ideas!
Great video it’s nice to see what the difference can be for watches like this. Usually just from videos it’s hard to tell but your description made it clear that luxury watches have more to them than meets the eye.
And when you put the real thing on your wrist you don't feel like a loser😮
@@juniorjohnson5961 Then there's the one about how Tudor should include long sleeved shirts with their watches to hide the shame of underachievement (not having a Rolex).
Moral: no matter what level you reach, there's always something "better."
I have a lot of Chinese watches Inc SanMartin but sadly they nowhere close to each other. The SanMartin fan boys are Delusional. The quality of the Tudor is in the details. As you point out the ceramic ball bearings etc are the small details that make the difference. The San Martin is a fantastic watch for the money. I have it and love it.
Those small details not worth the 3k markup
@@matyasd007no they are not and that's why I have a SanMartin.
I’ve always loved the Tudor, including the smiley text but my only complaint is how the crown sticks out - just looks like it would snag things
It looked funny to me at first too, but it’s become one of my favorite features. And it’s never snagged anything!
i prefer the domed crystal of the San Martin, also the case. The slab case of Tudor seems too thick for a 36mm dress watch in my opinion
San Martin looks much better on the wrist
Interesting comparison. Thanks.
Funny that the San Martin isn't closer to the Tudor. None of the differences that you point out would be particularly difficult or expensive for San Martin to copy. They have lots of watches with flat sapphire crystals. They have watches with enameled dials, although that would cost a little extra . (But hardly $2500.)
The San Martin clasp is an off-the-shelf component that they use on lots of their watches. It doesn't match the Tudor's, of course, but is way better than, for instance, the ones that Seiko uses on $800 models.
The division that makes San Martin cases also makes cases for relatively high-end European manufacturers.
I've handled a lot of "luxury" watches from Tudor, Longines, Omega, etc, etc. Of course they are very very nice, with careful attention to details. And the labor cost in the EU is much higher than in China. Still I have a hard time believing that there's really 2 or 3 thousand dollars worth of added value in the luxury watches. $2000 would represent 20 hours of work at $100 an hour. Do they really spend 20 extra hours working on each watch? Half a week???
As you say, they're worth the money as long as someone is willing to pay the money.
Thank you. Very helpful.
Domed sapphire is actually way more expensive to make than the cheap version that Tudor have.
Funny you should mention the collar on the Tudors crown. Pretty sure the new ones don’t have it anymore
Correct. I miss them!
nice video, thank you. Which colour has the San MArtin. Is it the one with black or dark blue dial ?
Sorry for the delay, this was the black dial
I have the BB GMT on a leather strap, and yeah - that clasp is SOOOO satisfying to operate! My only beef with the leather one is that it threads in the "wrong" way - long side from the top - and it takes some getting used to. But what it does is allow the clasp to face you right-side up, looking like the Tudor logo on the shield. Very cool. Cheers!
Thank you for the insight!
Which one loook bigger on wrist?
Thanks 😊
The San Martin by a hair
@@the1010watchclub thanks
Take the SM and add $500 materials. Better movement & better clasp. Dial color, lume color and crystal are all production decisions not additional costs. Now the SM is $800 still far below the $3,000 for the BB36. I have luxury watches that exceed the Tudor in price but the Chinese watches have come a long way for just 5 years ago, a long way.
SM made this watch even smaller in the last 6 months. Now the measurements are even more similar to the original.
The stark contrast of white against the glossy black looks better, so the Tudor wins in that department. I don't know why chinese brands usually insist on adding some kind of other color or a loghter shade of black, to that perfect match.
I said no to a 1800-2000 dollars one right before it jumped, lol. Oh well.
that "self-winding" text made like a smiley is what completely DESTROYS the Tudor Black Bay.
But they removed it now, good.
How did you get a capped seconds hand? I don’t see that as an offering on AliExpress
It may be an earlier model, there were a few different version available when I bought it
Doing a gloss black dial isn’t hard. Loads of Ali express watches have similar looks.
May we see your watch designs with gloss black dials? Just curious.
Do you have an half link on Tudor?
I do! I have a 7 1/4 inch wrist and the 36mm black bay bracelet was juuust too small. Got a half link from Uncle Straps and now it’s perfect
36mm, great size for the ladies!
Great size for anyone who likes the look of it on their wrist
It just fascinates me that a 3000 dollar watch is being compared by 300 dollar watch. Obviously tudor offer something better then san martin but if this comparison is happening San martin is doing a lot right.
I prefer the San Martin, I don't like the smiley face text or jug ear crown of the Tudor, ok, a San Martin is a poor man's Tudor but a Tudor is a poor man's Rolex so really it's horses for courses, I can buy 10 great San Martins for the price of 1 Tudor!
Let’s be honest, the SM case design is superior here.
I really like the way it looks and fits
the tudor has a deep dish rehaut, pretty cheap looking
Tudor, NO contest. A clonage will always be a clonage.
I’m adding “clonage” to my vocabulary immediately.
San Martin bb36 quadrante verde nonostante alcuni youtuber dicono ansa 19 a me arrivata da 20.🤣
I like the crown on the Tudor. It would be easy for SM to copy it and then it would look a whole lot better.
That San Martin is a bit of a Frankenstein, lol!
Shame, they couldn't do something original!
Yeah, after wearing it I wish they went for a 100% clone or not at all
And when you put the real thing on your wrist you don't feel like a looser 😮
Kinda like going to a Hooker or having a beautiful wife 😮
@@juniorjohnson5961 interesting analogy. Lol
Loser. And yes, you attempted to make your point above. Good work.
@@juniorjohnson5961 You need to think about Total Cost of Ownership. 😂 Think about cost of the divorce. Who is cheaper then?😂😂😂
@@pzwolski I had a friend who was sleeping in a RV that he owned I asked him why he didn't sleep in the house he said he couldn't stand his wife anymore i said why don't you get a divorce he said ... it's cheaper to keep her !🥺
Counterfeit :
made to look like the original of something, usually for dishonest or illegal purposes.
Does the San Martin watch include the Tudor name and logo? Oh, no? Yeah. Citing a definition does not make you smart. Dictionaries are available online and so does jurisprudence expanding on the matter. Educate yourself.
How is your comment relevant? Please explain
@@matyasd007 "Homage" is just bullshit, you can buy BB36 in every AD, "Homage" for what? In my opinion, this is plagiarism, San Martin copied other people's ideas, this is immoral behavior.