Same-Sex: Same Old Debate | THE BRENDAN OPTION 148
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2023
- “Any sexual act which is not ordered towards the procreation of children is disordered”.
“The Catholic Church is not conducting some sort of ongoing sly, concealed program against Catholics who are attracted to their own sex”.
Join Fr. Brendan Kilcoyne for episode 148 of 'The Brendan Option' where he discusses same sex attraction and the law and order of the Catholic Church.
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Fr. Thank you for your Frank and Horest talk here tonight. It’s not a comfortable subject and it takes a strong and compassionate character to do it . God Bless you
One question I never hear: Why would a committed, practicing homosexual even want to be Catholic? The Anglicans or evangelical Lutherans accept practicing gays. I propose the gays who want to change the Catholic Church don't actually care about the Church. If the Church begins to excuse their behaviour or bless their 'unions', their triumph is simply that they broke down the door. That's all. What happens after is not their concern. Like a castle whose walls are breached. Is what happens to the castle afterward an improvement? No, history shows castles are typically just raided and left to degrade and rot. I would rather love gays by holding fast and inviting them to reject sin, follow Jesus, and carry their cross. And if they can't abide by the truth, there are plenty of other demoninations to join. Why does no one ask this basic question: If they refuse to accept Catholic teaching, why do they 'need' to be Catholic at all? Since there are so many other options, why not just join a church where you can keep sinning and don't have to change?
Thank you very much for this. My exact thoughts too- not just practicing homosexuals but, also women ordinations and so on. Clearly, the two options would be to either, pray for grace, fortitude and humility to follow the Church's teaching or, find another denomination that will affirm your lifestyle.
Born gay is a myth recently disproven.
@@phantom12055 don’t you mean conceived? Because anything can happen in utero to change the birth outcome, that’s just science fact regarding all sorts of conditions people might be born with
Because they know if they can change the Catholic Church, the rest will crumble.
I think 8:24 in the video answered that question. There are many in the Church who are public sinners and while they may be sinning with full awareness that what they are doing is wrong we do not kick them out of the Church. We do not kick out politicians, thieves and even murderers so I think we can extend the same charity to homosexuals who are struggling. We tell them, as the good father said in the video "not to give up". Saints are sinners who just didn't give up on being Christian
Thank you Father for speaking the truth with clarity, charity and a good dose of Irish humour.
Absolutely great. We need this basic Catholic teaching from our pulpits Father. It was actually the legalisation of contraception in the USA that gave the springboard to abortion and the Homosexual community the voice to a right also for sterile sex not leading to a birth.
Thank you Father. Praying for all our hard working Clergy around the world. Spreading the word of God and his Teachings 🌏❤💙❤️🙏Our Lady and St Joseph pray for us. 🙏🏴
Thank you for bringing in the topic of contraception. So, so.many Catholic couples contracept or are stelized. I believe it's the reason we are in the sexual morality mess that we are in.
It’s decades since l heard such clear no nonsense preaching. Thank you Padre.
“I accept how difficult the ground is to fight on ….. I’m not judging … I’m just begging you to never give up “🙏🏽🙏🏽
The lack of clear teaching from the time of the 1960's sexual revolution that allowed for "free love" contraception, sterilization, abortion - paved the way for the fierce assertion of rights for unnatural acts. Humanae Vitae certainly predicted this mess.
Amen Padre ! Thank you so much for speaking up. 🙏
This is exactly correct and yet is never brought up. Excellent explanation.
POLITICS have taken over and are winning. Identity politics and the politics of the sexual revolution put forth convincing arguments.
You have the clear counter argument to prideful sexual behaviour.
It may have felt a bit uncomfortable to make this broadcast but Father you did such a good job
I hope you do more on this same theme with the same logic and compassion.
You are speaking the Catholic truth.
Father they should hire you to answer the dubia 🤩
That was very clear to me 😊
Good idea.
Thank you father for speaking the truth and standing up for the teaching of Christ. We catholics are so very confused by this Synod
Timely. You covered the ground clearly.The Pope did not though, deliberately or otherwise.
Absolutely!...Francis deliberately avoids clarity on this subject, (my opinion)... It's not hard to clarify as fr Brendan just done... But he won't do it..!
I really feel Francis has been excused on so many issues in his papacy by too many gullible people.. This is the unfolding of the prophecies of akita etc...!
Well said Father, when I was 22 a priest told me, in confession, "life is penance enough". It took me a long while (I am 68) to understand the depths of those words, it is in our brokeness that we come face to face with Jesus, who bore our sorrows and carried our griefs. I think the pope would like the church to be a church of mercy. Imagine if, at the begining of mass we had to stand up, individualy and say, "Hi I'm Jim, I'm a sinner". But that is exactly what we do. Until we see the brokeness of our own lives (poor in spirit) we can't be blessed. Thanks Father Brendan for your encourageming words. God Bless
That’s not theologically accurate, that just living life is penance. Life as we know it is due to the Original Sin of Adam. For a valid Sacrament of Confession, a real penance must be given by the priest AND completed by the penitent. This ‘living life is your penance’ doesn’t require anything from you-we must all live life. For nearly 1,500 years, no priest ever told a penitent, ‘your penance is to go live life’ they would be not only laughed out of the confessional, but straightened out by their bishops.
@@debbieramsey8933 I think that you misunderstand me, probably because I am not a good communicator. However, I was commenting on Fr Brendans talk, at his invitation and I am really only interested in his take on my comments, which I hoped would be positive. All i was trying to say was, "thank God for God's mercy". Yesterday was the feast of St. Faustina the apostle of Mercy. For the sake of clarity, let me add. I had recieved proper penance from the priest and I had asked him about private penance, mortification, he then said: "life is penance enough". My apologies for not being clear.
Jim, we do say that we are sinners as part of the Penitential Act at Mass. "I confess to All Mighty God and to you my brothers and sisters..."
@@seamusweber8298 Yes seamus, as I said: "Hi I'm Jim, I'm a sinner". But that is exactly what we do (at the penitential rite). Although English is my mother tongue, I seem to be very poor at communicating what I am trying to say. From now on I will just give Fr Brendan a like and leave it at that.
Truth, wisdom, mercy and love. The Catholic church is all of that and more. Thank you, father. I am a royal mess. Royal because I have been adopted by The King. A mess because I am human and struggling along in a fallen world. The truth of how we are to live is hard to hear, and hard to live. But Jesus is truth.
The Way,
The Truth,
and The Life.
Amen ☘️
Spot on. Speaking out plainly.
Why is it so hard for our Pope to do the same?
Praise the Lord,
because he doesn't WANT to, PF has a plan and direct, honest teaching isn't his thing
He's causing everyone to come out into the light of day with their core convictions, each of us will undergo the judgment. 🙏
your pop is one of the most wicked being on the planet
I have listened to some excellent speakers in Catholic teaching on this but you have put it so clear - I get it for the first time ! Disordered sex is sin and it covers a lot of us not only homosexual sex. Thank you
Thank you Father it's a hard teaching in these times but a very beautiful one which rightly orders us to our God 🙏
Thank you Fr Brendan.
This is one of your best, Father. The Pope has said that the Church CANNOT bless sin, so we all need to "cut him some slack", and get off the accusatory bandwagon. Thankyou for covering this issue. Our Prelates should be doing the same, at Mass, as we never hear about it there.
In fairness Mary, I presume the assumption made is that those who still attend Mass are trying their best to abide by the rule referred to by Father Brendan. I take your point a reiteration of the rule at Mass occasionally, is needed. More importantly how do we reach those who don't attend Mass and who may be not be even aware that there is a rule? (Bigger/different topic)
He's allowed the German bishop's to bless these relationships, not a word from him about the evil these guys are allowing there.... Plenty of words from him about traditional catholics... And not very nice either!!
Thanks father we need more people being as clear as you 💖
Thank you Fr Brendan . I’ve listened four times . This is the best commentary I’ve heard on this issue. Full of pastoral guidance and love. Can’t thank you enough ❤️❤️🙏🏽
How wonderful to hear a priest not afraid to preach the faith.
Father, that summation that you gave around the teaching of the disorders in sexual relations, is probably the best summation I've ever heard on this issue. Simply brilliant. I would go so far as to say that the Church contact Immaculata Productions to use that summation with your permission of course. Simply brilliant. Clear and concise. The best broadcast so far. Thank you.
I agree with this
You speak the truth that most of us should realize but many don’t. All of those disorders have been the elephant in the room and to point out only one, homosexuality, and not infidelity and the rest is what put us on the wrong foot all together!
Thank you Father!
Truth spoken plainly. Thank you, Father.
Excellent explanation 👌 Thank you, Fr. Brendan. God bless you 🙏
This is the second video I've viewed after discovering Father Brendan. I think I prefer his delivery above all the others; clear, concise, and to the point.
Beautiful and wise words Father.
Thank you fr, that was probably your best ever talks. We all need that kind of instruction and guidance. God bless you and your ministry.
To Father Brendan: For the sake of brevity I may have lost clarity in my last comment. I completely and utterly agree with what you said about confession, the sacrament of reconciliation. It is our remedy.
well done, Fr Brendan
Loved this. Clear teaching and explanation, but with warmth, charity and kindness. Thank-you Father! Keep doing what you are doing!
Thank you Fr Brendan for speaking the Truth, may God bless you!
You say what needs to be said. Thank you
Leave it to the Irish to put it to us straight. God preserved civilization through the Irish in the past, maybe He can do so again. God bless you, Father.
God bless you Fr. 🙏 thank you
Gosh, so refreshing! Clarity not confusion. Pray for the Holy Father. Please, please pray the Rosary.
God love you Father Brendan.
“Making a mess of it like a pig’s breakfast”🤣 priceless 😀
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"Royal pig's breakfast" lmao. Bravo on this talk.
I don't hear this at mass.
How wonderful to have a priest speak what is in the Bible! We lay people thank the Almighty for you!
Thank you Father.
Francis should bend his head in SHAME
Amen!!! Amen !!! Amen!!! So very well said, thank You, God be with you,
I have to go to a different parish to go to confession. And thats only for one hour. Sadly.
Brilliant Father and so clear .
Thank you Fr Brendan, honest, clear, concise and full of compassion.
Praying 🙌 for your Intentions fr Brendan 🙏were are you Brother 🙏
This was the best talk on this topic for a very long time. Thank you!
What a great loss to the Synod on Synodality, Fr Brendan not being a participant. If only he could be there saying what he says in this video. If only every bishop at the Synod could be saying the same thing.
Thank you Father.
Thank you Father. For standing up against sin
Loved your talk father ❤
Excellent explanation Fr. Brendan, clear and concise, no lack of clarity here, God bless 🙏
Thank you father. Well said. God bless you
Would the best way forward be to advise the person(s) to go to Confession where grace abounds, and blessings are imparted? In other words, when a pastor is approached it is an IDEAL OPPORTUNITY to make genuine gestures of understanding and compassion, in private, that point those requesting help in avoiding sin to approach the sacrament of reconciliation. This applies to ANY CATEGORY OF SINNER. So, why was Confession not the focus of the declaration? It would have saved the Church unnecessary confusion, division, and agony.
Excellent. Fr. The. Truth
Thank you God Bless you
Blessed
Amen Father!
Amen!
Well said Father
Amen, Amen!
The greatness of the Catholic Church lies in its head, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, with His anointed vicar on earth the Pope, the bishop of Rome, and her clergy, who lead us by the power of Holy Spirit; and yet we get the leaders we deserve. "But David said to Abishai, 'Do not destroy him; for who can put forth his hand against the Lord's anointed, and be guiltless?'" (1 Sm. 26:9). The battle rages on.
Excellent.
💯 correct Father.
It seems to me the older I get the more understanding and in some cases more accepting I get. I believe Father hit the nail on its head when he expressed the complexity of the subject of human sexuality. With regard to homsexuality what was once thought of as a character flaw is now understood to be a combination of genetics, hormones and environmental factors, which from my understanding occur in utero. That is to say, the individual does not choose to be homsexual. I understand Father's definition of the term "disorder" when it comes to the purpose of defining the church's view of sexual relationships but know it much more complex than black and white. That said, my observation of human behavior when it comes to human sexuality, you are now entering the realm of physiology and hormones, not to mention the complexity/psychology of human relationships. Add this the change in moral values when it comes to sex and you have an increasing dilemma for the church. Put another way, when it comes to sexual behavior, it's easier said than done. Surely these same influences that have affected society have not skipped over the clergy, with respect to the subjects of homosexuality and pedofilia. As for the Holy Father's attempt to extend the hand of mercy in a blessing and understanding to a gay couple who may have been raised Catholic and are in a committed relationship, I have no problem.
Blessing sin. An abomination.
I wish the pope would talk like this
Yes
Ambiguity is from the pits of hell.
Good video
Amen
AMEN
I agree, however the homosexual act is one that cries out to heaven for vengeance.
Thanks Father,
Great clarity, charity, humility and all delivered with true Priestly understanding and years of experience as a good servant of God!
However, there remain deeply concerning questions of a Priest can bless a same sex union. Surely this is contrary to the Gospel?
Also, how can such decisions be left with individual Priests. Apart from anything else, is this not a recipe for division and confusion?
I believe the deeper and more troubling questions remain unanswered, as there probably is a Catholic answer to them.
Satan thrives on division and ambiguity and that’s my main concern - ie - that Satan is profoundly active in the synodal process and, it seems, is crushing the life out of our instructional church.
Meanwhile, I know the Church - The Body of Christ - can not be defeated and this is what my faith hangs on.
As a Traditional Catholic, I believe the (institutional church is already in schism and has been for many decades. The synod seems determined to deepen the divide and good priests like yourself will soon be forced to make a hugely unenviable decision regarding the future direction you are to follow.
May God bless all of you in this great trial as the ultimate salvation of many souls depend on you.
From. our. Baptising. we. are Blessed taught my. Faith. In. my. Irish. Family. and. teacher. and. our. Irish. Priest I. Love. Lough. Derg. Lots of Blessing. Not. another. Pilgrimage. In. the. world. like. so. great. in Graces
What.is.with.all.the.full.stops?
Well said, Father! True Love is wanting and revealing Truth for the Good of the other. Worldly pride, sloth, and tepidity among the self-professed members of The Body of Christ have allowed this and all other social/moral ‘issues’ to be turned against God’s Commandments of Moral Love/Law. Many souls are damned because of our weakness and betrayal of Our Lord. God save The Church.
Thank you father, do you think the message you give here is given to secondary school students these days? God bless.
Well said.
One suggestion: speak of the Transmission-of-Life, rather than reproduction;
nobody sees themselves as a reproduction of anyone.
Reproductions (replicas) are what we buy in the art gallery shop.
Stay close to the Barque of Peter! 🌊🛳️
Peace 🙏🏼
I would suggest reading the book “homosexuality and the Catholic Church “ . It does address the elephant in the room which is why some people are SSA. There is good evidence for reasons such as trauma, such as absent fathers , overbearing mothers or sexual abuse .
Also I think we need to return to the theological word of “procreation” rather than the mechanical “reproduction” 😊
Thanks
Good talk, Father. My problem with this doctrine is that some of my gay friends are do gay they can’t have heterosexual sex at all. My gay college roommate has been in a monogamous relationship for 40 years! Faithful and true. It is very challenging to view this deeply kind and loving relationship as an offense to God. I’m not claiming I know better of course. It just doesn’t quite square.
As an Irish Catholic, I’ve witnessed the stress, chaos and dysfunction that often accompanies the households of parents who have far more children than they can reasonably support financially, emotionally, spiritually, etc. If hell is populated by otherwise faithful men and women who decided to have some input/control over the number of children they would conceive, I dare say heaven will be a sparsely populated and perhaps lonely place.
Self control is what you're alluding too. Or the lack thereof. While it may be reasonable to argue that folk back then did not have the insight/means to understand human biology, there is no excuse in more recent times to what you allude to. I mean, folks have greater access to information (all kinds of information) since 1990s compared to earlier times.
I think ultimately we can all accept we are sinners for many various reasons, but is that such a terrible thing if we accept that and try to do better. I’m not apposed to the idea that sex should be reserved where possible to conceiving children. There is an issue with the fact that modern society has deemed sex for pleasure essential to a good partnership. it’s been foisted on us as something we should accept as normal. Although I’m privileged to be a woman that has had my children in this regard. Is it so terrible to accept that we are all sinners and to varying degrees will never live up to all the expectations, but we have avenues that also cancel out those sins such as penance and purgatory, I’m not assuming everyone who broke these rules went straight to hell anyway. Just my thoughts
The pope's ghostwriters are clear enough. When such Progressivists say "Jesus" they have already transvalued the meaning of Him. The moral teachings of the Scriptures of necessity follow. Let's be awake, not naive. God is not the author of confusion.
“16:49. Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom thy sister, pride, fulness
of bread, and abundance, and the idleness of her, and of her daughters:
and they did not put forth their hand to the needy, and the poor.
This was the iniquity of Sodom, etc. . .That is, these were the steps by
which the Sodomites came to fall into those abominations for which they were destroyed. For pride, gluttony, and idleness are the highroad to all kinds of lust; especially when they are accompanied with a neglect of the works of mercy.”
Excerpt From
The Bible, Douay-Rheims, the prophecy of ezechiel
Horrifying to think that up to 50 years ago Irish priests dispensed the same poisonous advice to gay men: “Yerra, I’m sure you can get it up sufficiently to deposit the sacred seed in the vas debitum as God requires. Find a docile woman who will give you a semblance of marriage. Many men like you have done so, and have become happy dads.” The havoc left by these priests in their wake is incalculable. “The church venerates the sexual attraction between one man and one woman, etc., etc.” Repetition, repitition, repetition -the wondrous pedagogic method that is all we need.
It’s the “same old” because Fr Kilcoyne wants it so. He is incapable of learning or listening, so he uses the classical technique of repetition, repetition, repetition, to browbeat those he would “convert.” “I do think we need to talk about this, and I wish we didn’t” - what he means by “talk” is “preach” not “discussing or dialoguing”.
How can you say that the Holy Father left the door open? He wrote a magisterial document in 2019 which completely condemned the blessing of same-sex unions. The document is 100% clear and available publicly for all to see on the Vatican website. It condemns blessing sinful relationships as well as even giving the impression of doing so.
There is both the teaching of the Old Testament and New Testament with the constant teaching since apostolic times. Pope Francis and fellow bishop of clergy or any Christian must not bless, approve, support any sexual behaviour outside life long marriage open to children. Firstly humans have so many attractions, inclinations, thoughts and passions. These are not sinful as thet are part of the flawed human condition. We have an intellect and will. We see fire which looks bright and shiny yet it is hot, can burn and kill us. We use of reason to avoid being burnt. The same goes for the inclination to steal, cheat, lie, fornication etc. We might feel attracted but we decide no...I won't go near that. That's forms a good habit.
I’m not for change
It's not as simple as you make it out to be, father. The Church tells a teenage boy that masturbation is a mortal sin and if you die with a mortal sin on your soul you burn in Hell for all eternity. The only cure for this state of mortal sin is Confession. Most parishes have Confession available for 15 - 30 minutes before the Saturday night Mass. (The parish somehow thinks that this is enough time for 5,000 parishioners.) If you get on line, there's a good chance that an old lady takes up all the time talking about God-knows-what in there. The priest comes out and says, "Sorry, but we're out of time. I have to say Mass. Come back next week." Then, the mortal sinner (Me) has to decide what to do about Communion. He's been told by the Church that the worst sin in the world is receiving Communion in the state of mortal sin. So, now he has to sit during Communion which always causes a big scene. Family member have to crawl over you. Friends laugh at you and say "Sinner!!". Ushers try and usher you in line and don't understand what's happening. Then, for the next week, you carry around anxiety about dying and going to Hell. Getting in a car or a plane is terrifying because there's a chance you could be killed and then sentenced to eternal torture. If you make it to the next week for Confession, there's no guarantee the priest will fit you in for Confession. If you get into the habit of knocking on the rectory door for Confession you make a nuisance of your self. I've had priests say "It's my day off. Confessiosn are Saturday night from 4:30-5:00pm. Come back then." This cycle happened to me for 25 years until I finally quit playing the Church's game.
I wonder why all the human brokenness from original sin is never mentioned. Prett y much all mental disorders, mental dysfunction, sickness and physical problems of health derive from the effects of original sin. Oh sure, we can do things to ourselves, or things can happen, but original sin is the big thing. I mean we die from it. It is a gigantic effect on the human person and yet they never tell you about it. The will, the intellect, the imagination, the body, all damaged, that includes us right down to the bone. Really, some illumination from a pulpit now and then may go a long way to helping people understand who and why they are. I can say as an American, that even beer brands would sell better if people knew how to behave and dress, and others would keep a job.
It's a Humpty Dumpty creature we are, but for us, the king can put us together again, even if all the king's horses and all the king's men can't. It usually takes a bit of rot in the grave, but all is well that ends well. 😁
If one loves God first, they live the Catholic lifestyle.
*fourth paragraph- there is probably not a Catholic answer to them
Father how can you cross your leg in a casual manner and make the Sign of Cross. This is just an observation I hope you are not offended however I found your talk very very interesting and I shall follow you God bless you 🙏Louise Australia
So does this mean there should be no sex between a man and wife after child bearing is not possible, after the menopause? From what father said this would be the conclusion?
No, that’s not the case as long as the couple are still open to life albeit conception may not be possible. The Sacrament of Matrimony was instituted for the purpose of procreation and for the mutual comfort of husband and wife to one another.
Isnt the Bible a complete manual for humanity for life !! So why doesn't the Pope look to Scripture or the inspired word of God 😮 why hasnt the Pope simply committed the issue of same sex marriage/ Blessings etc then wait for the Holy Spirit to respond 😉 ....
St Francis of Assisi at his death bed "At that time Jesus Christ would send not a true Pastor but a destroyer who by cunning would cause many to Error and Death " all too evident today, But why would Jesus Christ do that , the reason is to test the Faith, even as revelations state "All that dwell on the earth would be tried "
Even as the Destroyer Pastor wants to bless "Sodomic Unions" corrupting the word ",Blessing" when in truth a "Marriage Blessing " is to be "Fruitful & Multiply" even usung Language Semantics to project Lust as Love
Those who follow his Error fail the test, & those who stand up/oppose the Error amounting to contention for the Faith, pass the test,
What is your take on sex between married man and woman when the woman is no longer able to have childern?
Nothing is impossible with God, the couple are still open to life but their bodies aren't. The Church also recognises that s3x is unitive as long as it is open to life (ie no contraceptives).
THERE IS NOTHING PREVENTING A MAN OR A WOMAN WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO THEIR OWN SEX MARRYING SOMEONE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX AND HAVING CHILDREN. Fr Brendan, you are recommending sin. How many women have suffered because of being used in this way as ersatz objects of lust by their confused gay husbands. That a priest should push men and women into such intimate hell in the name of God is truly evil.