8:09 Aemond DEFENDED himself from his violent nieces' and nephews' attacks. That's a misnomer to say he "attacked" them because it infers he threw the first punch, which he didn't.
@@ColdJimmy which part is a lie? Vizzy T's neglect of his children? oh in case you never noticed, he also neglected Rhaenyra all those times from her childhood to her teenage years cuz he was trying his damnest to have a son. The Blacks deserve to have the crown stolen from them judging by how poorly they've been playing the game of thrones
@@fourth-dimensionalbeing9737 viseys was was a fool who didnt know wtf he wanted .. Yess he was a bad father but he was just a dumbass and the hightowers took them for weak. A play for power ..tht why their blood line lost the battle in the long run as rheanerya is the grand mother 5 times removed of rhaegar dany an viserys while greens royal blood needed aegon the 3rd to carry royalty
@@ColdJimmy Jimmy my guy, you are extremely dense, the poster is saying is he was a better father then the kids would have known his true wishes and wouldn't have hated their sister because of political machinations.
What makes it worse was that Otto was punished for rhaenyra and daemons mistakes when they went into the brothel together, and Otto was only reporting "rumours" to the King and yet was removed as Hand for it even though he was just doing his job. I'm amazed at how many people are pro black with all the awful things they do.
@@agahpito902 There is plenty of team green supporters as well and I can support them publicly especially after second season , but say you’ll get why can fans like The joker from Batman , darth vader Star Wars ,Thanos , Negan … etc but liking team green in house of dragons is somehow not acceptable
“Treason…is only a word. When two princes fight for a chair where only one may sit, great lords and common men alike must choose. And when the battle’s done, the victors will be hailed as loyal men and true, whilst those who were defeated will be known forevermore as rebels and traitors. That was my fate.”
@@Wicker2 The show definitely gives us more POV from the black camp than the greens, and in that sense it can be said to be biased. But, I think with an ensemble of this size it is really difficult to give both factions truly equal weight, and having one protagonist who carries more narrative weight is often a helpful simplification. If the show had to give us one POV or the other, I think focusing on the black faction was surely the right call. As you point out, the greens have a lot to recommend them, and this comes through even in the show for a moderately observant viewer. I think we all empathize with Alicent, if not with Aegon and Aemond. If the show had leaned toward the greens the way it currently leans toward the blacks, Rhaenyra's faction would risk coming off as completely unsympathetic. Folks like Daemon and Rhaenyra and Corlys simply *need* more time in the spotlight for their sympathetic qualities to come out.
Though I have loved House of the Dragon, I wish the show took a more even look at both sides of the story. instead of making the blacks look like the good guys and the greens the bad guys. They were more evenly portrayed in the books, neither side being better rulers than the other. Both sides did good things and bad things.
I was making a point that Aegon despite only being Rhaenery's half brother always referred to her as his "sister" not "half sister" because at some level Aegon does love his family. Rhaenery always referred to her half siblings as half so in so because she looked down on them as less.
Yeah... I wish they would just stick to the source material instead of interjecting stuff that never happened. I am not a big fan of them shoehorning in the Others plot line into the dance of the dragons.
Rhaenyra couldn’t even call him brother as a child…. Viserys did love his son once…. But rhaenyra calling him alicents son and twisting the knife of guilt into him for what he did to her mom and making viserys feel like he must not love his sons to prove his love to her…. Guilting him to take the throne…. It’s a joke
She wanted the throne just to prove a woman could but after viserys told her about the prophecy she changed her way of thinking. She now wants it to protect the realm
Hello, so that’s completely a show change. And one I’m not a big fan of. Shoehorning in the Others story line to make her claim more important is silly imo. In canon she does it simply because it was denied to her.
@@Wicker2 I don't see it that way -- We don't have a "canonical" look at the inside of her head or her privy councils. We just have a history book from a within-setting perspective, written long after the fact. George R R Martin has always explored tensions and contradictions between who people really are, and how they are remembered. And as a fictional history book from Westeros, Fire and Blood itself will tend to be tilted toward the winning side. I think introducing secret personal events that complicate the publicly known motivations for the political struggle is a very Martin approach to telling this story.
@@OrionJA Hey man I rlly like your insights. I agree adding in more personal reasons that fire and blood didn’t get to cover is good in small doses (that make sense.) But adding the long night plot line into the show is not small at all. The valyrians especially the Targaryens would have no idea about the Others or the long night. They could have done without that because it makes it seem like Rhaenery needs to be queen to save the world.
@@Wicker2 The way the deployed the prophecy does give additional reasons for Rhaenyra and Alicent to feel compelled to press their claims. But I don't think a careful viewer will find the actual outcome relevant to Aegon's prophecy. If you follow the story as-of Game of Thrones, the only thing any of the Targaryens did that seems to have been important in defeating the White Walkers was to create the actual dagger which the prophecy was Inscribed on. Arya uses it to kill the Night King, after all. The Targaryen dominion in Westeros had already ended and in the show Dany's dragons honestly don't seem to have made much of a difference in the war against the White Walkers. (In fact, since the Night King used a wight dragon to breach the wall, you can easily argue that dany caused more harm than good by coming north). If the books are ever completed I don't expect the Others to be defeated by Arya or with the dagger, and do think the dragons are likely to be decisive. But it will still be true that the whole targaryen regime fell apart before the Long Night came, and the Targaryen who saved the world wasn't raised as a princess. Thus, I'd say that deploying the prophecy in House of the Dragon is mainly for dramatic irony and to emphasize the foolish narcissism of everyone involved. They're all willing to believe that they're personally important when in reality the events they've foreseen have almost nothing to do with them.
I agree with you on most points. The show is definitely making changes to make Rhaenyra look better, but it has also made Alicent look better. Not perfect, just better. They’ve also left out a couple details about Daemon that make him appear a shade worse. Where I disagree with you is that Rhaenyra has no right to rule whereas Aegon does. The leadership we’ve seen her do so far in the show has been much better than anything we’ve seen from Aegon. Again not perfect, but better. Aegon is also 100% propped up by the people around him. I don’t think it’s his fault that he has absolutely no idea how to rule, Otto and Alicent should have been making efforts to teach him. But I don’t think the argument that Rhaenyra is an incompetent ruler really stacks up when this guy is the alternative. I also don’t agree that it was unlawful for Rhaenyra to rule. Yes the great council picked Viserys, is that the equivalent of writing a law that only men can inherit? Personally I don’t think it does. But that is also the very crux of disagreement that set the stage for this war. You can argue that as absolute monarch Viserys can name whoever he wants as his heir, but you can also argue that if he wanted to set his female heir on stable footing he should have written a law that explicitly gave her the right to rule. Really a lot of this stems from Viserys ignoring or not foreseeing the problems of his decisions. Ultimately my opinion is I really like the writing so far, I find the character building on both sides to be very compelling. I’m not picking a side despite the HBO PR explicitly asking us to, because I don’t think that’s the point of this story. By the end of this, no one’s going to come out looking like the good guy. War will bring out the worst in everyone
Honestly great read, yeah I had that thought about Aegon being held up by his advisors as well like 2 days after recording. It’s kinda of hard to get all of my thoughts across in a video this short while also working on other videos. To Aegons credit I still think he would be the better ruler. He is young and has time to learn whereas Rhaenyra is old by the time of the dance and still hasn’t figured it out. I love many black and green characters but if there is one person I can’t stand is Rhaenyra so I tried to be as unbiased as possible. Even in the newest episodes of the show I think it shows why she isn’t a good ruler. She has many of Viserys worst quality’s (who I think should have never been king as well) like procrastination, like burying her face in the sand during a literal war. It’s hard to get all my thoughts on her and my reasoning behind them in a reply but yeah. But that being said I don’t think you need to be a good person to be a good ruler. Like Tywin, he’s a pretty horrible person but his rule would have been good. And the only thing going for Rhaenyra is she is a better person than Aegon. But to your point picking a side is silly.
@@Wicker2 Same they changing everything on the show that’s not part of the book canon I just hate when they say we follow the book material and really don’t
Good video brother. I’m a green loyalist purely because of the standard of the first born son. My fiancé is a black supporter and I love to ruin it for her saying that nobody wins and a green marries a black and everyone dies. Haha
The Greens have Daeron the Daring, I give them that. He would be the most fit to rule out of all the claimants no doubt. Still by right the throne belongs to Rhaenyra.
By kings decision the throne was rhaenyra's but by king's laws the throne is aegon's . But in asoiaf we known King's law has more power that his decisions
Sadly at this point the show and the book needs to be considered two separate entities. The Blacks *do* come off as less sympathetic in the books, but we have to go purely by what is depicted in the tv series. Aegon is far more reprehensible in the show, he's an alcoholic rapist who got his kicks watching small children being forced to fight each other (including at least one of his own bastard children). Is Rhaenyra irresponsible in the show? Absolutely, but that doesn't change the fact that Viserys named her his heir despite the ingrained sexism of Westerosi society. Otto plotted from the moment Aemma died to have Alicent marry Viserys and produce sons so he could have his bloodline usurp the throne. Was Viserys a bad father to his children by Alicent? Absolutely, but bad parents aren't a free pass to become monsters as adults. Millions of people in real life go through tremendous suffering and abuse and grow up to be perfectly normal, good human beings. A person has free will and is responsible for their own actions. Aegon *chose* to become who he is, and so did Aemond. Now Aemond is far more sympathetic than Aegon because of the bullying he received (and the death of Lucerys in the tv show is depicted as more a stupid teenage prank gone horribly wrong when they both lose control of their dragons, unlike the outright murder it is in the books...but as they say, play stupid games win stupid prizes). Aemond in the show doesn't seem to have any true loyalty to Aegon (going through the motions of loyalty to get Aegon to lower his guard and then taking the opportunity to try to murder him at the battle for Rook's Rest). Aegon became more sympathetic in the first two episodes of season 2 (he clearly loved his son if no one else), but that largely flew out the window when he murdered all the innocent rat catchers >_>; Helaena to me is the only purely innocent green (though we haven't seen Daeron in the show yet so it remains to be seen how he's going to be depicted).
To blame the boys' violence on their parents is silly. You can say that they were manipulated from birth and neglected, but Helena was delighted to dance with Jace at their fanily dinner.
Rewatch the episode where we see Aegon training with Luke and Jace. He didn't treat them terribly at all, which is something Alicent was pissed about. The only guard dog she had was Aemond. He hung onto his mother's every word and Aegon didn't. Over the years, the depression, the drinking...it's clear why he becomes who he is. Someone crushed under the weight of something that he never fully understood. Even now, he's king but it is a sense of fulfillment as he never felt anyone loved him. . This is definitely aggression that was taught. I don't think Helaena could truly hate anyone.
The story that is being told is largely about how children of different sex are treated differently. If she had been a boy she would have probably had more anger and displayed more violence. But little girls are taught to just be a pretty face especially princesses. Helena was still heavily neglected as a child by her father and mother which led her to be extremely isolated and develop her own sort of problems. She is just the female equivalent of her brothers.
When Viserys was on his death bed when he said Aegon, he was talking about his grandson, Rhaenyra's son...See what happens when all the family members have the same name...smh He wanted his daughter 's son not his simple silly son....Alicent heard what she wanted to hear...Watch the scene again...
Hey man, I was talking about the books which are considered canon. One of my biggest problems with the show which I think I said in the video was that the shows leans heavily towards the blacks. When in lore it was a lot more neutral. Thanks for the comment though :)
Alicent allowed her father to play her better yet she’s a smart woman she did it to herself. She knew how royals behaved she married into it knowing that her life would be just a figure head.
Well first of all Alicent is no saint. A hypocrite is what she is and a bad mother that didn’t give love to her children the way Rheanyra loved her. Alicent taught her children to hate. She couldn’t even tell her son that she loved him when he was in obvious need to hear her say it. And please Aegon didn’t want the crown because he is lazy and didn’t want the responsibility so he said to let Rheanyra have the crown so he could get rid of the burden of being king not because of any affection he felt towards her.
Absolutely the greens (hightowers) are trying to usurp the throne. Just not the greens I was talking about in the video. The greens who are trying to insert themselves into power is house Hightower. I was talking about the children they used as pawns to achieve this goal. And while they are the “mascots” of the greens they are much more sympathetic because they were groomed as children to be weapons for the hightowers.
With that in mind, I agree. They were told hey if you let her rule she’ll kill you all. Which in my opinion just was not true. The truth is had all of the Targaryen just stuck together they would have accepted Rhaenyra outta fear
Viserys wanted that yeah, but he did not always make the best decisions. I was saying that Rhaenyra shouldn't be queen not debating on whether or not it was lawful. I was more so looking at why she wouldn't be a good queen. She is honestly so bad at ruling, not a year goes by before she gets rid of all the main people supporting her (don't want to spoil it just incase you haven't read the books.)
@@Wicker2 I see where you are coming from; however, the show is different from the books. They have already shown that. I have not read the books, so I am TeamBlack based on what we have seen in the show.
Have tead the books, and the last episode shows exactly why she would be a good queen. She is not brash with her actions. Her reign decisions is impacted heavily by the war. And Jaehearys also wascut by the throne, so was "denied" by the throne. She also didnt want the throne AT ALL until she was told the prophecy. This directly disputes your claim of her being selfish for it. @@Wicker2
Hello, Alicent was always the opposite of Rhaenyra in terms of personality. I saw her in the books def as the straight and narrow child while Raenyra was the wild child. I think you are talking about after the dance happened where Alicent gets a lot more vindictive, I was talking about before the dance begun.
Also the Greens have Sunfyre so I guess I am bias
nice video
@@stokeley6151 my upload schedule is so bad but I got it out lol
love the video but...
Caraxes > Sunfyre lol
@@mrcte its ok to be wrong lol
@@Wicker2 it is ! Im sure youll bounce back 🤣
8:09 Aemond DEFENDED himself from his violent nieces' and nephews' attacks. That's a misnomer to say he "attacked" them because it infers he threw the first punch, which he didn't.
I feel bad for Viserys kids. His neglect really cemented the bridge between Rhaenyra and Aegon. In this story nobody is truly good or evil.
Thts a lie ... The greens werent entitled to the crown otto stole it
@@ColdJimmy what's a lie? They did steal it but that doesn't make them pure evil.
@@ColdJimmy which part is a lie? Vizzy T's neglect of his children? oh in case you never noticed, he also neglected Rhaenyra all those times from her childhood to her teenage years cuz he was trying his damnest to have a son. The Blacks deserve to have the crown stolen from them judging by how poorly they've been playing the game of thrones
@@fourth-dimensionalbeing9737 viseys was was a fool who didnt know wtf he wanted .. Yess he was a bad father but he was just a dumbass and the hightowers took them for weak. A play for power ..tht why their blood line lost the battle in the long run as rheanerya is the grand mother 5 times removed of rhaegar dany an viserys while greens royal blood needed aegon the 3rd to carry royalty
@@ColdJimmy Jimmy my guy, you are extremely dense, the poster is saying is he was a better father then the kids would have known his true wishes and wouldn't have hated their sister because of political machinations.
“Go home, pup, and tell your mother that the Lord of Storm's End is not a dog that she can whistle up at need to set against her foes.
I’m a big fan of your work lol
IVE ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT THIS LINE. Like isn't he tho?? I feel insane lol
What makes it worse was that Otto was punished for rhaenyra and daemons mistakes when they went into the brothel together, and Otto was only reporting "rumours" to the King and yet was removed as Hand for it even though he was just doing his job. I'm amazed at how many people are pro black with all the awful things they do.
Aemond is the 3rd child of Alicent.
Good catch I meant to say second son lol
Absolutely , they're biased and think we don't notice it , and most of the fans got brainwashed by the narrative of the show
It is safer to be pro black, supporting the greens publicly will get you a lot of hateful comments.
@@agahpito902
There is plenty of team green supporters as well and I can support them publicly especially after second season , but say you’ll get why can fans like The joker from Batman , darth vader Star Wars ,Thanos , Negan … etc but liking team green in house of dragons is somehow not acceptable
“Treason…is only a word. When two princes fight for a chair where only one may sit, great lords and common men alike must choose. And when the battle’s done, the victors will be hailed as loyal men and true, whilst those who were defeated will be known forevermore as rebels and traitors. That was my fate.”
Jace is the one who came up with the idea 💡 to find dragon 🐉 riders not daemon
good catch dude, show vs books thing ig
Im sorry no kid is that calm after stubbing their toe let alone losing an eye idgaf if they have 7 dragons 🤣🤣
True lol he was always the silent strong type
You calling him a bastard?! 💪🏻@@Wicker2
@@made-line7627 who??
@@Wicker2 Aemond, of course !
@@made-line7627 ah ah, i see what ya did there!
Thank you! Noone says it, but the tv show is pro-Blacks. I mean Greens have some good points too.
The wars a lot more complicated than black good and green bad lol. That def made me a little worried how good the quality was going to be.
@@Wicker2 The show definitely gives us more POV from the black camp than the greens, and in that sense it can be said to be biased. But, I think with an ensemble of this size it is really difficult to give both factions truly equal weight, and having one protagonist who carries more narrative weight is often a helpful simplification.
If the show had to give us one POV or the other, I think focusing on the black faction was surely the right call. As you point out, the greens have a lot to recommend them, and this comes through even in the show for a moderately observant viewer. I think we all empathize with Alicent, if not with Aegon and Aemond.
If the show had leaned toward the greens the way it currently leans toward the blacks, Rhaenyra's faction would risk coming off as completely unsympathetic. Folks like Daemon and Rhaenyra and Corlys simply *need* more time in the spotlight for their sympathetic qualities to come out.
Nah. The Greens are actively wrong. 🤷
Though I have loved House of the Dragon, I wish the show took a more even look at both sides of the story. instead of making the blacks look like the good guys and the greens the bad guys.
They were more evenly portrayed in the books, neither side being better rulers than the other. Both sides did good things and bad things.
Step sister? Half sister homie. They a blood.
I was making a point that Aegon despite only being Rhaenery's half brother always referred to her as his "sister" not "half sister" because at some level Aegon does love his family. Rhaenery always referred to her half siblings as half so in so because she looked down on them as less.
@@Wicker2 what.
are u slow or what?! she’s his half sister
they don’t have the same mother genius
I love seeing different takes. I found myself agreeing with a lot of this. Great vid!
:)
Sadly I think the show will make the biases worse.
Yeah... I wish they would just stick to the source material instead of interjecting stuff that never happened. I am not a big fan of them shoehorning in the Others plot line into the dance of the dragons.
Rhaenyra couldn’t even call him brother as a child…. Viserys did love his son once…. But rhaenyra calling him alicents son and twisting the knife of guilt into him for what he did to her mom and making viserys feel like he must not love his sons to prove his love to her…. Guilting him to take the throne…. It’s a joke
She wanted the throne just to prove a woman could but after viserys told her about the prophecy she changed her way of thinking. She now wants it to protect the realm
Hello, so that’s completely a show change. And one I’m not a big fan of. Shoehorning in the Others story line to make her claim more important is silly imo. In canon she does it simply because it was denied to her.
@@Wicker2 I don't see it that way -- We don't have a "canonical" look at the inside of her head or her privy councils. We just have a history book from a within-setting perspective, written long after the fact. George R R Martin has always explored tensions and contradictions between who people really are, and how they are remembered. And as a fictional history book from Westeros, Fire and Blood itself will tend to be tilted toward the winning side.
I think introducing secret personal events that complicate the publicly known motivations for the political struggle is a very Martin approach to telling this story.
@@OrionJA Hey man I rlly like your insights. I agree adding in more personal reasons that fire and blood didn’t get to cover is good in small doses (that make sense.) But adding the long night plot line into the show is not small at all. The valyrians especially the Targaryens would have no idea about the Others or the long night. They could have done without that because it makes it seem like Rhaenery needs to be queen to save the world.
@@Wicker2that plot came from George himself! It's believable that Aegon had a vision of the future
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The way the deployed the prophecy does give additional reasons for Rhaenyra and Alicent to feel compelled to press their claims. But I don't think a careful viewer will find the actual outcome relevant to Aegon's prophecy.
If you follow the story as-of Game of Thrones, the only thing any of the Targaryens did that seems to have been important in defeating the White Walkers was to create the actual dagger which the prophecy was Inscribed on. Arya uses it to kill the Night King, after all. The Targaryen dominion in Westeros had already ended and in the show Dany's dragons honestly don't seem to have made much of a difference in the war against the White Walkers. (In fact, since the Night King used a wight dragon to breach the wall, you can easily argue that dany caused more harm than good by coming north).
If the books are ever completed I don't expect the Others to be defeated by Arya or with the dagger, and do think the dragons are likely to be decisive. But it will still be true that the whole targaryen regime fell apart before the Long Night came, and the Targaryen who saved the world wasn't raised as a princess.
Thus, I'd say that deploying the prophecy in House of the Dragon is mainly for dramatic irony and to emphasize the foolish narcissism of everyone involved. They're all willing to believe that they're personally important when in reality the events they've foreseen have almost nothing to do with them.
I never saw how anyone could ever sympathize with Rhaenyra’s cause she’s evil and her father was a kind hearted idiot
I agree with you on most points. The show is definitely making changes to make Rhaenyra look better, but it has also made Alicent look better. Not perfect, just better. They’ve also left out a couple details about Daemon that make him appear a shade worse. Where I disagree with you is that Rhaenyra has no right to rule whereas Aegon does. The leadership we’ve seen her do so far in the show has been much better than anything we’ve seen from Aegon. Again not perfect, but better. Aegon is also 100% propped up by the people around him. I don’t think it’s his fault that he has absolutely no idea how to rule, Otto and Alicent should have been making efforts to teach him. But I don’t think the argument that Rhaenyra is an incompetent ruler really stacks up when this guy is the alternative. I also don’t agree that it was unlawful for Rhaenyra to rule. Yes the great council picked Viserys, is that the equivalent of writing a law that only men can inherit? Personally I don’t think it does. But that is also the very crux of disagreement that set the stage for this war. You can argue that as absolute monarch Viserys can name whoever he wants as his heir, but you can also argue that if he wanted to set his female heir on stable footing he should have written a law that explicitly gave her the right to rule. Really a lot of this stems from Viserys ignoring or not foreseeing the problems of his decisions.
Ultimately my opinion is I really like the writing so far, I find the character building on both sides to be very compelling. I’m not picking a side despite the HBO PR explicitly asking us to, because I don’t think that’s the point of this story. By the end of this, no one’s going to come out looking like the good guy. War will bring out the worst in everyone
Honestly great read, yeah I had that thought about Aegon being held up by his advisors as well like 2 days after recording. It’s kinda of hard to get all of my thoughts across in a video this short while also working on other videos. To Aegons credit I still think he would be the better ruler. He is young and has time to learn whereas Rhaenyra is old by the time of the dance and still hasn’t figured it out. I love many black and green characters but if there is one person I can’t stand is Rhaenyra so I tried to be as unbiased as possible. Even in the newest episodes of the show I think it shows why she isn’t a good ruler. She has many of Viserys worst quality’s (who I think should have never been king as well) like procrastination, like burying her face in the sand during a literal war. It’s hard to get all my thoughts on her and my reasoning behind them in a reply but yeah. But that being said I don’t think you need to be a good person to be a good ruler. Like Tywin, he’s a pretty horrible person but his rule would have been good. And the only thing going for Rhaenyra is she is a better person than Aegon. But to your point picking a side is silly.
Can’t wait to see daeron he the only great person on the green he’s like Ned of game thrones
I am getting worried they might cut him out like they are apparently doing to Nettles lol.
@@Wicker2 Same they changing everything on the show that’s not part of the book canon I just hate when they say we follow the book material and really don’t
@@anti5061 Yeah the source material was fine how it was. Its like they learned nothing from GoT.
i know. It's blatantly stated that he's the only son of Alicent that everyone likes. Living away from KL helped him tremendously.
Baela and Raena are actually Aemonds cousins
All the incest makes it really confusing lol
@@Wicker2nothing confusing about it do your research next time
Thanks for the perspective
Half-sister Rhaenyra* 🙂
Good video brother. I’m a green loyalist purely because of the standard of the first born son. My fiancé is a black supporter and I love to ruin it for her saying that nobody wins and a green marries a black and everyone dies. Haha
Thanks man! Yeah I wouldn't say I'm a green loyalist. I just wanted to point out that this war isn't as one sided as the show wants us to think.
The Greens have Daeron the Daring, I give them that. He would be the most fit to rule out of all the claimants no doubt. Still by right the throne belongs to Rhaenyra.
By kings decision the throne was rhaenyra's but by king's laws the throne is aegon's . But in asoiaf we known King's law has more power that his decisions
@@Kg_707_g Technically the kings decision is the law. But I see what you mean.
Thank you for this video.
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Team Black holds the Blacks to a higher standard and have a double standard for team green
Sadly at this point the show and the book needs to be considered two separate entities. The Blacks *do* come off as less sympathetic in the books, but we have to go purely by what is depicted in the tv series. Aegon is far more reprehensible in the show, he's an alcoholic rapist who got his kicks watching small children being forced to fight each other (including at least one of his own bastard children). Is Rhaenyra irresponsible in the show? Absolutely, but that doesn't change the fact that Viserys named her his heir despite the ingrained sexism of Westerosi society. Otto plotted from the moment Aemma died to have Alicent marry Viserys and produce sons so he could have his bloodline usurp the throne. Was Viserys a bad father to his children by Alicent? Absolutely, but bad parents aren't a free pass to become monsters as adults. Millions of people in real life go through tremendous suffering and abuse and grow up to be perfectly normal, good human beings. A person has free will and is responsible for their own actions. Aegon *chose* to become who he is, and so did Aemond. Now Aemond is far more sympathetic than Aegon because of the bullying he received (and the death of Lucerys in the tv show is depicted as more a stupid teenage prank gone horribly wrong when they both lose control of their dragons, unlike the outright murder it is in the books...but as they say, play stupid games win stupid prizes). Aemond in the show doesn't seem to have any true loyalty to Aegon (going through the motions of loyalty to get Aegon to lower his guard and then taking the opportunity to try to murder him at the battle for Rook's Rest). Aegon became more sympathetic in the first two episodes of season 2 (he clearly loved his son if no one else), but that largely flew out the window when he murdered all the innocent rat catchers >_>; Helaena to me is the only purely innocent green (though we haven't seen Daeron in the show yet so it remains to be seen how he's going to be depicted).
I just like Aemond
To blame the boys' violence on their parents is silly. You can say that they were manipulated from birth and neglected, but Helena was delighted to dance with Jace at their fanily dinner.
Rewatch the episode where we see Aegon training with Luke and Jace. He didn't treat them terribly at all, which is something Alicent was pissed about. The only guard dog she had was Aemond. He hung onto his mother's every word and Aegon didn't. Over the years, the depression, the drinking...it's clear why he becomes who he is. Someone crushed under the weight of something that he never fully understood. Even now, he's king but it is a sense of fulfillment as he never felt anyone loved him.
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This is definitely aggression that was taught. I don't think Helaena could truly hate anyone.
@@janellejulianajoy to a degree, sure. But Helena heard all the same things her brothers did and was still the sweetest. So the boys made choices.
The story that is being told is largely about how children of different sex are treated differently. If she had been a boy she would have probably had more anger and displayed more violence. But little girls are taught to just be a pretty face especially princesses. Helena was still heavily neglected as a child by her father and mother which led her to be extremely isolated and develop her own sort of problems. She is just the female equivalent of her brothers.
Agree,
You are right
So its again an upset kind of ending
Yea no one wins when dragons dance :(
The show must be neutral to both sides .
There’s many things you said that makes sense, and many you were wrong about.
Ay man lmk what I was wrong about. Love constructive criticism.
When Viserys was on his death bed when he said Aegon, he was talking about his grandson, Rhaenyra's son...See what happens when all the family members have the same name...smh He wanted his daughter 's son not his simple silly son....Alicent heard what she wanted to hear...Watch the scene again...
Hey man, I was talking about the books which are considered canon. One of my biggest problems with the show which I think I said in the video was that the shows leans heavily towards the blacks. When in lore it was a lot more neutral. Thanks for the comment though :)
Alicent allowed her father to play her better yet she’s a smart woman she did it to herself. She knew how royals behaved she married into it knowing that her life would be just a figure head.
U left out Otto 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾#TeamGreen 🐉
Well first of all Alicent is no saint. A hypocrite is what she is and a bad mother that didn’t give love to her children the way Rheanyra loved her. Alicent taught her children to hate. She couldn’t even tell her son that she loved him when he was in obvious need to hear her say it.
And please Aegon didn’t want the crown because he is lazy and didn’t want the responsibility so he said to let Rheanyra have the crown so he could get rid of the burden of being king not because of any affection he felt towards her.
"denied by the iron throne" is just superstition lol
Idk man she was cut up pretty bad every time she sat in it. And GRR Martin doesn’t add details like that for no reason.
@@Wicker2 its Septon Eustace that talked about that lol he hates rhaenyra
@@mrlaw2729we hate Rhaenyra too
The only reason that I completely disagree with you is because the greens whole cars is a power reach to take down the Targaryen Empire
Absolutely the greens (hightowers) are trying to usurp the throne. Just not the greens I was talking about in the video. The greens who are trying to insert themselves into power is house Hightower. I was talking about the children they used as pawns to achieve this goal. And while they are the “mascots” of the greens they are much more sympathetic because they were groomed as children to be weapons for the hightowers.
Also I didn’t mention Otto because he is much more to blame than the children like Alicent, Aegon, and Aemond.
With that in mind, I agree. They were told hey if you let her rule she’ll kill you all. Which in my opinion just was not true. The truth is had all of the Targaryen just stuck together they would have accepted Rhaenyra outta fear
No ma'am no. No no no. Vicerys wanted Rhae as Queen.
Viserys wanted that yeah, but he did not always make the best decisions. I was saying that Rhaenyra shouldn't be queen not debating on whether or not it was lawful. I was more so looking at why she wouldn't be a good queen. She is honestly so bad at ruling, not a year goes by before she gets rid of all the main people supporting her (don't want to spoil it just incase you haven't read the books.)
@@Wicker2 I see where you are coming from; however, the show is different from the books. They have already shown that. I have not read the books, so I am TeamBlack based on what we have seen in the show.
Have tead the books, and the last episode shows exactly why she would be a good queen. She is not brash with her actions. Her reign decisions is impacted heavily by the war. And Jaehearys also wascut by the throne, so was "denied" by the throne.
She also didnt want the throne AT ALL until she was told the prophecy. This directly disputes your claim of her being selfish for it. @@Wicker2
Lmao.
No, you are wrong. She has not followed the rules. She has only expected others to. Did you even watch or read this???? I don’t think you did.
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Hello, Alicent was always the opposite of Rhaenyra in terms of personality. I saw her in the books def as the straight and narrow child while Raenyra was the wild child. I think you are talking about after the dance happened where Alicent gets a lot more vindictive, I was talking about before the dance begun.
He’s talking about the books mixed with the books. They did white wash the Blacks.
Traitors are not entitled to sympathy or a defense.
You bias and speaking on your own theory...Watch the series...Be quiet dude smh LOL