Lelouch is a very similar character to Eren, Anakin, and Paul. Lelouch toppled an empire, and used that empire to force humanity together to stop him and even die for world peace to be assured.
Paul Atriedes, Anakin Skywalker, Eren Yeager, Michael Corleone(The Godfather). These men were forced into tough situations that turned them into "monsters". Their lives are/were hell.
Anakin: Supposed to destroy the sith, became a sith Eren Yeager: Supposed to destroy the titans, became a titan Paul Atreides: Supposed to destroy tyranny, became a tyrant
@@sharingforimprovement155 True, it does expose the nature of the most corruptible among society. Few men with ultimate power proved to be wise to wield it.
i have been studying Judaic messiahs for a few years now and the idea of the second coming is a big deal but i have never seen the concept of the anti Christ put forward this way its interesting. if i look at some of the best rulers in fiction a lot of them seem to have messiah like tropes but dune is by far the most fascinating along with Warhammer 40k.
Paul Atreides is the personification of the Millennial Hero, just like Harry Potter but Harry tried to kill his shadow. Luke Skywalker was, for example, the Baby Boomer Hero... in the most recent trilogy, through millennial understanding, he was not that great for sure. Leto is the boomer parent, Paul is the millennial son and he discovers, just like Harry, that he has a powerful deep shadow inside of him. Harry tried to killed the shadow inside of him but Paul INTEGRATED it, used it, embraced it. Paul betrays the idealistic values of his boomer father to ascend, to do what he has to do, to survive, to a greater cause, to lead a nation. Paul Atreides is the most heroic hero of all the f**k*ng heroic heroes. He is just doing what he has to do, no idealistic delusional s**t but acceptance and courage and wisdom for integrate the shadow as the source of his concrete mundane factual power. The status game is inevitable, the power game is inevitable.
@Isteyak-78 Granted, in Anakin and Eren's case, they do manage to fulfill their destinies and leave the world a better place (for a time at least, in Erens case) Anakin through destroying the Emperor finally brought balance to the force while Eren was the one who ended up destroying the titan curse by sacrificing his life
Paul Atreides is the personification of the Millennial Hero, just like Harry Potter but Harry tried to kill his shadow. Luke Skywalker was, for example, the Baby Boomer Hero... in the most recent trilogy, through millennial understanding, he was not that great for sure. Leto is the boomer parent, Paul is the millennial son and he discovers, just like Harry, that he has a powerful deep shadow inside of him. Harry tried to killed the shadow inside of him but Paul INTEGRATED it, used it, embraced it. Paul betrays the idealistic values of his boomer father to ascend, to do what he has to do, to survive, to a greater cause, to lead a nation. Paul Atreides is the most heroic hero of all the f**k*ng heroic heroes. He is just doing what he has to do, no idealistic delusional s**t but acceptance and courage and wisdom for integrate the shadow as the source of his concrete mundane factual power. The status game is inevitable, the power game is inevitable.
You know what I noticed about these three? They never really had a choice in their world. None of them were ever given the actual decision to determine their own design for their destinies. The "Devil Messiah" trope you mentioned is literally the result of individuals who don't want world-changing prophecies having those same prophecies thrust upon them. In this sense, they are the greatest tragedy of existence. Destined ones who don't want their destinies. Each time when I saw the ways the survey corps and the rest of the world tremble in terror at the rumbling or the way the jedi regarded Anakin's betrayal, I never once failed to ask "Isn't this what you wanted?" With Paul, I see the same victim. Only this time, I don't care to ask the Bene Gesserit. The sisterhood created their own destroyer. Engineered their downfall. They were just too arrogant to see it.
I felt that question of do they want that fate in their actions. Anakin's reluctance to fall to the sith and even after his regret at killing children, eren's statement at the beginning of the marley arc about no longer seeing all of them as evil but that they made it necessary as shown by willy's speech at that very moment, and so on. So I can get behind your statement
You're not understanding the point of the story at all. 😂 People like you are literally the reason why Frank Herbert wrote Dune Messiah... This story is not about celebrating Paul. It's a cautionary tale about religious fanaticism.
@nont18411 She was always like that. Her definitions of what was right or just shifted depending on what was desirable for her. She spared people because they were useful to her at the time despite justifying the deaths of others for less. Daenerys was always a delusional tyrant, it just takes a while for her logic to become so warped the audience snaps back to reality.
@@S_Wardenexactly, it was a slavery filled hellscape for everyone else lol even Vader commented on it to Palpatine directly in a comic cause it reminded him of when HE was a slave
@@devaughnjohnson Yeah no shit light also did what he did for a better world and even after his death his influence remained and that’s why he succeeded while anakin and eren failed
Lelouch is a very similar character to Eren, Anakin, and Paul. Lelouch toppled an empire, and used that empire to force humanity together to stop him and even die for world peace to be assured.
In some ways, Lelouch is like Paul and his son Leto II the god emperor
@@Despotic_Waffle except for the worm part 😂
so he's literally Leto II, the son of Paul...
@@aliyaRatita pretty much
Except that Leto II died with a waifu on his side 🥲
Paul Atriedes, Anakin Skywalker, Eren Yeager, Michael Corleone(The Godfather). These men were forced into tough situations that turned them into "monsters". Their lives are/were hell.
Anakin: Supposed to destroy the sith, became a sith
Eren Yeager: Supposed to destroy the titans, became a titan
Paul Atreides: Supposed to destroy tyranny, became a tyrant
You're forgetting the most iconic: Lelouch Lamperouge.
@@ladybookworms
Eren was inspired by Paul while Lelouch was inpired by God Emperor Leto II ( Paul's son )
@@ladybookwormsAnakin & Paul shit on this cheap copy in terms of fame.
"Now you listen here. He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!"
“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
The first thing my father said to me when I turned 18 years old. "Power is a magnet to the corruptible ones" - Franke Herbert.
Marcus Aurelius would disagree. power exposes
@@sharingforimprovement155 True, it does expose the nature of the most corruptible among society. Few men with ultimate power proved to be wise to wield it.
Power corrupts the few, while weakness corrupts the many.
ERIC HOFFER
i have been studying Judaic messiahs for a few years now and the idea of the second coming is a big deal but i have never seen the concept of the anti Christ put forward this way its interesting. if i look at some of the best rulers in fiction a lot of them seem to have messiah like tropes but dune is by far the most fascinating along with Warhammer 40k.
These characters are a slightly more grounded take on the Antichrist than the character of Damien Thorn from The Omen films.
A portrait made in shades of grey is more interesting than one of mere black and white.
Paul Atreides is the personification of the Millennial Hero, just like Harry Potter but Harry tried to kill his shadow. Luke Skywalker was, for example, the Baby Boomer Hero... in the most recent trilogy, through millennial understanding, he was not that great for sure. Leto is the boomer parent, Paul is the millennial son and he discovers, just like Harry, that he has a powerful deep shadow inside of him. Harry tried to killed the shadow inside of him but Paul INTEGRATED it, used it, embraced it. Paul betrays the idealistic values of his boomer father to ascend, to do what he has to do, to survive, to a greater cause, to lead a nation. Paul Atreides is the most heroic hero of all the f**k*ng heroic heroes. He is just doing what he has to do, no idealistic delusional s**t but acceptance and courage and wisdom for integrate the shadow as the source of his concrete mundane factual power. The status game is inevitable, the power game is inevitable.
bruh, you got me wantin' to actually watch the movie now 😭
Sorry not sorry lol. Seriously though, its def worth the watch if for nothing else than just the sheer spectacle
There's a billion reasons to watch this movie and zero reasons to skip it
It’s so good
@@AzkuulaKtaktu bro looks like a bitch, enough reason to stay in the books, imma stick with Analin Skywalker, even Eren is kinda too edgy
When the only way to defeat the devil is to become one yourself.
then it's not defeating devil but just replacing by another devil
@Isteyak-78 Granted, in Anakin and Eren's case, they do manage to fulfill their destinies and leave the world a better place (for a time at least, in Erens case)
Anakin through destroying the Emperor finally brought balance to the force while Eren was the one who ended up destroying the titan curse by sacrificing his life
Paul Atreides is the personification of the Millennial Hero, just like Harry Potter but Harry tried to kill his shadow. Luke Skywalker was, for example, the Baby Boomer Hero... in the most recent trilogy, through millennial understanding, he was not that great for sure. Leto is the boomer parent, Paul is the millennial son and he discovers, just like Harry, that he has a powerful deep shadow inside of him. Harry tried to killed the shadow inside of him but Paul INTEGRATED it, used it, embraced it. Paul betrays the idealistic values of his boomer father to ascend, to do what he has to do, to survive, to a greater cause, to lead a nation. Paul Atreides is the most heroic hero of all the f**k*ng heroic heroes. He is just doing what he has to do, no idealistic delusional s**t but acceptance and courage and wisdom for integrate the shadow as the source of his concrete mundane factual power. The status game is inevitable, the power game is inevitable.
Interesting take. Though I think boomers and gen xers identified more with han solo than luke skywalker
He also go for milk leaving golden path for his son xD
More like the CHAD MESSIAHS 😎😎😎
Laughed for 4 straight minutes LMAO
Found the Fremen Fedaykin
Tetsuo of Akira
You know what I noticed about these three? They never really had a choice in their world. None of them were ever given the actual decision to determine their own design for their destinies. The "Devil Messiah" trope you mentioned is literally the result of individuals who don't want world-changing prophecies having those same prophecies thrust upon them. In this sense, they are the greatest tragedy of existence. Destined ones who don't want their destinies. Each time when I saw the ways the survey corps and the rest of the world tremble in terror at the rumbling or the way the jedi regarded Anakin's betrayal, I never once failed to ask "Isn't this what you wanted?" With Paul, I see the same victim. Only this time, I don't care to ask the Bene Gesserit. The sisterhood created their own destroyer. Engineered their downfall. They were just too arrogant to see it.
I felt that question of do they want that fate in their actions. Anakin's reluctance to fall to the sith and even after his regret at killing children, eren's statement at the beginning of the marley arc about no longer seeing all of them as evil but that they made it necessary as shown by willy's speech at that very moment, and so on. So I can get behind your statement
The Devil Messiah?
That’s a great name of a story analysis
Paul is a chad. I love all this bluepill hating on him.
All Ive seen is love for him
You're not understanding the point of the story at all. 😂
People like you are literally the reason why Frank Herbert wrote Dune Messiah...
This story is not about celebrating Paul.
It's a cautionary tale about religious fanaticism.
Blue as in water of life?
Also they’re literally me
Daenerys Targaryen is the fourth person on this list as well.
Except that the buildup to that for her didn’t make sense
I think they will fix it in the books!
Show no books propably yes when winds of winter come out (it won’t)
@nont18411 She was always like that. Her definitions of what was right or just shifted depending on what was desirable for her. She spared people because they were useful to her at the time despite justifying the deaths of others for less. Daenerys was always a delusional tyrant, it just takes a while for her logic to become so warped the audience snaps back to reality.
people who follow then needs a porposue and they give then one
YES I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS SINCE I READ DUNE
Paul is not exactly a devil or evil. He is a grey character.
real (im literally all 3)
Except that under palpatine rule the Galaxy was in its peak
For humans
@@S_Wardenexactly, it was a slavery filled hellscape for everyone else lol even Vader commented on it to Palpatine directly in a comic cause it reminded him of when HE was a slave
Uncle papa Palpatine
My 3 favorite fortnite skins 😈
My fav is eren
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@shawnellesmith people have favs what's to funny about that?
@@IAMDEMIURGE You know……
@@shawnellesmith what?
as a Muslim...we call them dajjal The False Messiah
Anakin in the prequels is so badly written it’s like the Wish version of Paul. Cringe all the way.
Light yagami is also one of them and hot take of mine he’s miles better than anakin and Eren,especially eren in the final act of apt was so stupid
He had more of a god complex and didnt really 'lead' anyone except a few followers
Interesting
Anikan and Eren chose to die to make a better world. Light Yagami, on the other hand, never showed remorse
@@devaughnjohnson Yeah no shit light also did what he did for a better world and even after his death his influence remained and that’s why he succeeded while anakin and eren failed
@@argirisskoumpris1751Anakin and Eren both succeeded, what are you talking about?