How We Know the Exodus Really Happened (Dr. John Bergsma)
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Dr. Bergsma gives evidence for a historical Exodus not a metaphorical or mythical story.
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The most fascinating part of the Bible is how both it’s supposed victories but also the smallest shame is recorded for the nation as well as individuals. That adds a level of reliability in itself
Right? It's mostly failures honestly. It would be weird for the Israelites to fabricate their own failures.
@@SeraphsWitness it’s a book of everything that went wrong because people failed to listen and love and honor their father and the books of wisdom are the recipes for how to properly obey him and the New Testament is the testimony of those who witnessed the perfect Son such that we could pick up our cross and follow him home to The Father who is waiting patiently for our return so that he may celebrate our reunion and the saints are those who eventually succeeded in returning home by walking in their perfect brothers footsteps
Exactly. What ancient historian would want to make up a fiction of their people being enslaved? surely a fiction writer could do better than that.
@@beestoe993
You should read the book of acts, quite a few similarities to a certain group of people who claim to be God's children but give false witness, rouse mobs based on lies, twist the law to falsely imprison or execute people.
That is because WE know that the Bible IS God's word, as 2 Timothy 3:16 aptly states, "All Scripture is God-breathed..." So going back to Exodus 20:8-11, God wrote on the tablets that HE created the world in six days. It did NOT "evolve" as evolutionists strive to claim.
If I remember my high school Ancient Egyptian history class, the reason we call Rameses the Great “the Great” is because his cartouche (name) was inscribed on a ton of buildings and monuments where it talked about who commissioned the project. Except if you look real close, you can see that a lot of the time there was another name carved there originally, and he had it erased and his name written there instead. (There was a thing in their religion where a person’s soul would live on as long as their name was written down or something like that, so scratching it out was a HUGH deal.) If a pharaoh was willing to destroy his country’s history and (in his view) literally damn his predecessors like that, I can _absolutely_ see someone erasing the record of the Exodus.
Quite a chasm between _I can see it happening_ and demonstrating it actually did. Discussions on the grounds of speculation would not be necessary if we had the archaeological evidence before us to debate instead.
@@derinderruheliegt having a name scrapped off monuments is observable though
@reddyforlenny9389 What was the name that was overwritten?
@derinderruheliegt idk hence why OP is making the point that whatever the Egyptians wanted to cover up is now lost to us, all we can do is hope something survived all this time which is extremely unlikely. History is written by the victors, and if there are no victors, those who are left.
@@reddyforlenny9389 And what I point out is that an unknown name being erased is not evidence for any specific event (unless it's "a name was erased"). Either way, _any_ written history has to be taken tentatively, even when corroborated with other written accounts (I'm speaking here in the general sense of _all_ history). When there is physical evidence (such as tools, structures, personal effects), one can start more substantially increasing the probability of the proposed event.
If one takes the view that 600,000 men, and those who accompanied them, departed in such haste that they had almost nothing with them, and that subsequently Egypt erased all records of the embarrassment, one is left to speculation about a lack of evidence.
The only problem with this theory is the design of the temple was dictated by God not a borrowed design or evolution of the design of an Egyptian war tent.
God often communicates in forms His people can understand and are familiar with. Consider the language of Genesis 1 where the raqaya (solid dome) is mentioned as a solid dome separating the waters above and below the shamayim (heavens). This cosmic geography is exactly the language describing the way the Egyptians and other nations around Israel understood it. The concrete forms (expressed in words) which we understand cosmic geography today is not how everyone back then understood them. They understood the terms (representing forms) I relation to their function. So the raqaya's (solid dome) function is the release rain when needed through the shamayim (heavens) and onto the earth (see Genesis 8:2 and Malachi 3:10). We might understand the Jews understanding of the raqaya as the clouds. Also, God didn't give a science lesson in Genesis 1. He was communicating in language they understood at that time. Support for the understanding of the Jews cosmic geography that refers to function rather than concrete realities is supported by their understanding of the hydrological cycle (which is accurate scientificall. See Job 26:8, Psalm 135:7, Jeremiah 10:13 and Amos 9:6!. This same principle applies to the construction of the ark and tabernacle. Their function may have been similar to the Egyptians ark and tabernacle but their function is radically different. Although it was said in Hebrews 8 that the tabernacle revealed to Moses was a copy of the heavenly realities but those references were illustrative in it's purpose for Moses. It cannot be proved from that text that heaven has a permanent and eternal alter for sacrifices.
@@budhrseh2001 it’s really not a theoretical problem. You have no idea how or why God designs anything. Why did He raise a serpent on a staff to heal Israel from snake bites?
Pretty sure the God, who forbid worship of other idols would not want to mimic his tabernacle or anything of his worship.After that of a pagan , god.
Just my opinion, though.
@@christopherchmiel7872 it’s a matter of relation. If a sister resembles her brother it would be incorrect to say she “takes after” her brother, when in reality she and her brother are a product of the mother and father and both children resemble their parents.
Doesn't surprise me the Hebrew descendants of Jacob, who spent 400 years as immigrants in Egypt, were culturally Egyptians in all but religion.
The truth is that many of them actually stayed. If you sit down to study the exodus with a Jew, they actually talk about the Erev Rav, the “mixed multitude”. They speak about how those who came were mostly Egyptians and others, not all were legit descendants.
They spent 215 years in Egypt (not 400).
Another item to consider is that the overarching cultural milieu of the ANE was, while not monolithic, very overlapping.
@@finrodfelagund8668 I've seen a really great RUclips video explaining this, can't rely which one but he makes the argument that the 400 years actually started counting from a point much earlier than their actual migration down into Egypt.
@user-ke5op5vg2yno the Egyptians at the time of the Israelites wasn't pure black
i was just reading St. John Chrysostom's homilies on Matthew, and in #6 he says the same thing about the rites and priestly articles that God gave the Exodus generation - they were modeled on existing pagan rituals in order to draw the Israelites away from paganism and towards Him. The prophets make clear that God didn't intend these rites to last forever, and they were always far less important to Him than moral rectitude and contemplation.
The Catholics have carried on that tradition or creating fake holidays to white wash pagan holidays for over a thousands years.
Can you share where I can read this?
Andrew in reply.... if God gave the EXODUS generation rites & priestly articles it would be in the Roman Catholic Bible... But it's not !
So God used pagan symbols to draws them from paganism...
I challenge you Andrew.
Youre right that God wanted the rituals to be somewhat familiar but as it says in Numbers 23:19, God does not change, and He keeps His promises.
All well and good, except that El Shaddai is the God of Avram, and the 'god' that Moses found among the pagan Midianites was not. El Shaddai, being the God of creation required no temple, no altar, and no sacrifice save the vanity of man, to return to his created purpose .. a lesson that Avram sought to teach to his son Isaac in Genesis 22. I do not know if Isaac got the lesson .. the person writing it in the modern bible did not, apparently.
Amenhotep II is the only pharoah who fits the Exodus story. His predecessor rules for over 40 years (Moses in Midian). His successor is not his firstborn son (angel of death). His rule is 480 years before Solomon starts the temple in 906 BC. Subtracting 40 years of desert wandering, this places Exodus in roughly 1446 BC. Rameses is neither preceded by a ruler of 40+ years, nor not succeeded by his firstborn.
Rameses II was the Pharaoh who plundered the temple after Solomon died.
Plus if you look at pictures of the mummy of amenhotep he has bunch on his skin as if he has BOILS 😳 CRAZY.
Then how were the Israelites building Pi-Ramses and in the Exodus account?
@@bradleyyurk5744 The easiest explanation is that a later scribe changed the name of the city to what it was known as at that time when the scribe was transcribing the account onto new parchment. There is precedent for editorializing accounts such as in Numbers 32:37-38 where the tribe of Reuben are described rebuilding a number of destroyed Amorite cities followed immediately by the comment "their names being changed" and "They gave other names to the cities which they built." You could ask why there isn't the usual "editor's note" like in most other places that have obviously featured later additions and that's a fair question.
Bottom line, no other Pharoah matches the description only ahmenhotep can be the one
Hoffmeier has a great book on this. Discusses Egyptian loan- words found in Exodus and other things that would suggest the writers had first hand knowledge of Egypt.
Israel was a small country next to a huge empire. Some one way cultural exchange would be expected. I mean, are you surprised that people in Mexico have heard of Mickey Mouse? Of course not.
@@kevinkelly2162Indeed one would expect that. However, the ratio of Egyptian loan words in the book of Exodus is much higher than any other book in the Pentateuch. I forget the ratio, but I hope you’ll trust me on this one. I believe this points to an Exodus even more
OK but you still have the question of how the hell did the Israelites get lost in the Sinai Desert for 40 years. I mean it is a couple of days walk on a well trodden path.But put all that aside for a minute. Now after the first two plagues Pharoh said OK you can go. But your god hardened his heart. If I remember correctly he did this a couple of times. What kind of immoral monster do you worship?@@fatstrategist
It's not just loan words, it's also names.
@@kevinkelly2162getting the words in general right could be accounted for that way, but getting the travel pathing right, the cultural iconography, the proper terms used correctly, and the structure and places for their time periods right would be nearly impossible hundreds of years after the fact. They didn't have expansive libraries back then that shared copies of books of history.
Another point is that whoever wrote the book of Exodus had strong knowledge of the agricultural landscape of ancient Egypt, it's seasonal harvests, and more. If, as some modern scholars claim, the Israelites never were in Egypt and never were wandering in the desert, but just developed out of the other peoples in the land of Israel at the time, that would be rather strange.
@@bdawg-qj9bqthis is a demonstrably false statement
@@bdawg-qj9bq I don’t see how your comment is relevant. They’re saying that whoever wrote the book of Exodus had accurate information about the landscape of Egypt.
That comment, to itself, really doesn’t have anything to do with Christianity.
@@josiahalexander5697 Not my fault that you can’t comprehend.
@@bdawg-qj9bq and you can prove all this right?
@@Pwnsweet Yeah. It’s well documented. Why don’t you look it up?
The Pharaoh war tent thing explains why the nations around the children of Israel kept becoming terrified of them (or starting a war with them) - their camp structure looked like an unbelievably large army being led by a Pharaoh. If you were a ruler and that camp came up to your nation, you'd think that you were about to get invaded. Plus we know from Rahab in the book of Joshua that word about the Exodus had spread throughout the land, so they probably knew that the army coming towards them was the people whose God had just finished destroying Egypt.
Interesting theory. Only thing that I wonder however, is Num 14:14 implies that other nations knew about the pillar of cloud and fire, which would make it known to other nations that it was the Israelites and not the Egyptians. But it is possible that not all nations were aware, in which case that would make your theory even more terrifying. Imagine thinking the Egyptians are on your door step, and there is a giant pillar of fire in front of their camp 😂
Was this before or after they genocided the Amalekites? Because I think that horrific story would also cast forward a thundering shadow. Yes, them old Israelites sure liked to terrify other nations with the trheat of annexation and annihilation. You seem so delighted :-)
@wRAAh I doubt the fear of the Israelites from a military perspective was the case. After all, the Amalekites attacked and attempted a genocide against the Israelites when they were vulnerable in the desert after escaping Egypt (or at least, so they appeared, not taking into account they had Gods protection). They didnt have any military victories to speak of at the time. Thankfully that cowardly act of attempted genocide by the Amalekites resulted in them being cursed and destoyed. Uno reverse card. I for one am quite delighted at their annihalation, seeing as the Amalekites, like other Canaanite tribes, practiced child sacrifice and other abominations. Thank God that didn't become the norm.
@@CrackerBarrelKid551 The first problem with your argument, is that after millions and millions spent on archeology bij Israel to prove its 'birth right', not a single trace of a 40 year long mass exodus has been found between Egypt and Israel. Nothing. Did not happen. Apparently none of them died or even took a dump. What they did find, is older layers, full of Mother God statues. The second problem, is that the books of Moses in the Old Testament describe that when the Israelites attacked Canaan, they slaughtered not just the Amalekites, but almost all nations living there, except for a few city states. In those city states they tried conquering without cleansing. But these 'beasts' worshipped the wrong, despicable gods and had different cultures (like you say), so pretty soon they wished they would have slaughtered them all. Fast forward to today: the proto-zionists (before 1948) and the neo-zionists in Israel today use your story to justify atrocities. I really wonder what ethnically Jewish people think of this, because every time people like Netanyahu get criticized, they use Jewish suffering as a 'human shield'.
@@wRAAhhow is it a horrific story? Do you know how awful and wicked the Amalekites were? The atrocities they committed? You think they were nice people? They are described as an exceedingly wicked band of raiders and marauders who most likely raped and pillaged with impunity and you think them being wiped out is a bad thing?
Just want to say, as a Protestant, I do find your content edifying and enjoyable.
Become Catholic Maronite
@@alexhage8092quit your unbiblical traditions and praying to mortal men and women.
As a Prodestant...dont count on them for shite....corny pompous nonsense
@@fletcherg8601I would if they were unbiblical and didn’t actually work, unfortunately they are biblical and do work.
@@alexhage8092 No
Hebrews 8:5 says the sanctuary/tabernacle is an example and shadow of the heavenly one that God instructed Moses to make… I understand that to mean the tabernacle was a copy of the tabernacle in heaven and not a copy of an Egyptian war tent right?
@Slavelife Yes, my catch as well. God gave Moses detailed instructions on how to build the tabernacle. I don’t think God admired the Egyptians one so much that he gave Moses those dimensions!
Exactly my thoughts, I’m assuming God wanted them to have something familiar for them to worship at. Even with that very few inherited the land
This podcast was very interesting. I am however concern that the speaker keeps saying Moses came up with the idea and not GOD.
I have always believed that maybe God didn't want put the burden of a Temple on His people but because of the their rebellion and making of the Golden calf God wanted the people to realize the burden of keeping all these rules and laws. Fast forward when the God's people demanded a King, so God gave them a king to once again to show them the burden of being under the direct rule of a man rather then God Himself.
Bottom line very interesting RUclips, however very concerning that the speaker gives Moses the credit and not GOD.
The Egyptians did acknowledge at least some of their defeats.
However, in 1446 BC (the same year the Exodus occured) Amenhotep II captured over 100K slaves when he invaded Canaan (most likely to replace the Hebrew slaves he had freed a few months prior) He also outlived his oldest son who died mysteriously. Also Hapshepsut was the only daughter of Pharaoh at the time Moses was born in 1526 BC and only seven years old which is why she had to find someone else to nurse him. And after she died Thutmose III tried to erase her memory not because he was sexist but because he wanted to erase any memory of Moses.
Ramases II cannot be the Pharaoh of the Exodus because he had a long prosperous reign and his father and grandfather both had extremely short reigns. He does meet the criteria to be the oppressor Pharaoh however his son was succeeded by his oldest son and therefore would not meet the criteria for the Exodus Pharaoh. Ahmose I (the founder of the 18th dynasty) is probably the Pharaoh who knew not Joseph
Also the fact that Amenhotep IV - later Akenaten - instituted monotheism in Egypt and was later purged from the record for having done so
Timeline doesn't match up for your idea. The Pharaoh in 1446 BC was Thutmoses III not Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV) who would've reigned between 1354-1334 BC.
The exodus 1446BC ?
How do they know that ?
It's amenhotep the ii during the exodus, but the rest is spot on. So somewhere between 1397-1427 bc would be the exodus.
That that doesn't check out by multiple standards... The easiest one is that according to your timeline, Moses would have been 125 years old when the Exodus happened.....
Amazing commentary! Dr. Bergsma is a true genius!!
He wouldn't say any this if he was addressing a room of his peers &/or needed his book peer reviewed. It's simply not true, this is just fluff for Christians. It's really rather sad that he's so economical with the truth about the Exodus.
Genius 😂 rubbing him off is not going to make him come to you.
There's an excellent documentary on the exodus through a website called patterns of evidence. Highly encourage people to become more informed on the problems with Egyptian dating and non religious experts who willfully dismiss evidence because it does not fit with a narrative. As such, I think it could be said that Egypt's use tabernacle-like structures comes from Moses, not the other way around.
No way Pharoh is like, hey, let's make a mural of how much bad I was. Pharohs were looked at like a god so no way they would record history like that
This is one interview that I wish was much longer! 🤗
It is! The whole thing is about 2.5 hours. It’s posted now.
It was a single most disgraceful event in Egyptian history where even the Egyptian gods were brought low within the boundaries of their own land. To me I would be more surprised if they hadn't attempted to cover it up.
Even today, the Egyptian Dept of Antiquities tries to fit their discoveries around a Darwinistic frame, rather than classical.
Who that idiot AlMarwahi?
In fact, it seem their shame was shared with the rest of the litterate world, since no-one mention this god-backed, invincible horde genociding their way in Cannan for what, 1200 years? outside of the OT.
That's not the only thing they do. They're between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand having to get funding from old European organizations and on the other hand trying not to anger Islamic radicals.
There can be no 'covering' the departure of millions of slaves (from Egypt to Egypt) or the annihilation of Egypt's armies. The Exodus is just as real as the rest of the Pentateuch: A complete myth.
It is myth, like the rest of the Pen'tat'euch. There is no 'covering' millions of sla'ves de'pa'rting at the same time, or the an'nih'ilati'on of an army. Open your eyes.
If you all have a Coptic (Egyptian) Church near you, I strongly recommend you attend one of their Saturday night evening/midnight praises. A lot of time is spent singing about the Exodus out of Egypt. Most of the text taken from the Bible. Also, when they sing about the Holy Virgin Mary, you'll find that a lot of the analogies used come straight out of Exodus. Ask the priest, and im sure he'll have more to explain. Seeing how modern day christian Egyptians traditionally speak of the Exodus will give you another dimension to ponder.
Interesting......
Keep going the coptic church has so many fantastic things.. hoping u always spread the word
I strongly suggest you seek the truth in our creator Aravat 2nd Enoch 20:3
Shadowe .... who are they ??
When Dr. John Bergsma talked about moses using the same cultural and spiritual references from the pagan Egyp, but now in the form of the unseen God, could not bring myself to no think about how our Lady of Guadalupe did the exact same thing to convert the aztecs, using their own culture and religion to convert them in to Christianity, from the way she dressed, to everything around her.
Very good comment. God Bless.
Very interesting parallel. Thanks for that.
The visions of Our Lady of Guadalupe occurred only AFTER the local Mexican populations had converted, not the other way round. Facts matter.
same in Vietnam, the Our Lady of La Vang
@@johnsposato5632 The virgin of Guadalupe did not convert the Aztecs. They were forced to capitulate. Get baptized or die. I refer you to the book 100 myths of Mexico I think by Martin Moreno where he says that if the mantle of Guadalupe was worn as was the custom Juan Diego would have been over three meters tall. (9 plus feet) Also there was never a person who was baptized with the name of Juan Diego. Another interesting fact is that the bishop in Mexico City stated in letters to Rome that it would be great if there were a miracle of such proportions, but it is never mentioned in the chronicles of the conquest. The legend of the virgin of Guadalupe is a complete fabrication. A device to deceive the conquered populace.
"much like our newspapers now"
Truer words have never been spoken
😂😂😂😂 like the Bible
@@shanewilliams5150 oh the Bible we can trust and many prophecies are being fulfilled. You just don't know.
Conspiracy theories 😂
Love Dr. Bergsma, what he studies is what I study, when people say that Catholicism is pagan, I always reflect back to this time period and how similar are the ideas and concepts in the Torah to the other ancient civilizations around them especially Ancient Egypt. By their logic they would have to conclude that ancient Israel was also pagan and their whole written tradition should be thrown out. A better explanation is that the God of the universe speaks to men in the language of men.
Dr. Dan Juster who is a Messianic Jewish scholar has written much the same thing. He talks about the Abrahamic covenant and how God instructed Abramham to lay out the sacrifice. Even the idea of covenant he notes, comes from the pagan Middle Eastern models e.g. Hammurabi. He's not Catholic but he is very interesting on the historical aspects of the cultures of the times.
And at the same time shows that God has redeemed what humans have and elevated it and made it holy
@@tinalettieri awesome always looking for more resources. Thanks.
@@brisingrtwilighter yes very important, I didn’t want to be long winded but very very important point, the differences is what elevates human to the next phase of holiness and plan of God.
This is basically the cruciform hermeneutical approach. It makes a lot of sense that God would need to condescend to be in and sustain a free relationship with fallen man.
The Word of God is absolute and infallible.
Literally it takes more jumping through hoops to say the Israelites were never in Egypt rather than saying they were
Yes give me more. I would like to study more...but if I can't, these videos are thoughtful and your guests are great at answering questions which come to my mind. Thanks.
Expedition Bible has many archeological evidences. So awesome. ❤
You want to learn something, Bruno? Let's see where you are at first in the education process, does the Bible describe the Israelites?
Very Strange. I have studied ancient history since I was a child. As an adult, about 1980, I discovered the works of Israeli archeologists and historians who said the exodus never took place.
This struck me as very odd, as why would Jewish scholars do anything to destroy the whole basis if their religious beliefs.
While it was true, Jewish artisans were hired by the Pharo to do detail work on their tombs. At that time in history, the holy land was home to the world's finest metal workers, so their employment seems quite natural.
Common Egyptians paid their taxes by providing labor, during the time the Nile flooded every spring. They got food, clothes beer and shelter during what would have been a time of famine, because only Pharo, had large enough granaries to store enough grain and keep it above flood level.
What is well documented, was King Nebuchadnezzar, capturing Israeli metal workers, and taking them off to Bagdad, to train his people about metal working secrets. Where do you think the story of the fiery furnace comes from. Those furnaces were for working iron into steel, to make weapons of war!!!
As my specialty has become, ancient technology, especially metal working, I tend to follow technological advances as they change societies, even today!!!
This guy's story does not match any of the known archeological or technological facts that I have studied about for decades. I would be very interested to see his research.
Tim
Christ Jesus is real bro
@@Createdplayer1 Brawndo has what plans crave
what is plans?@@mrsatire9475
Ever hear of the Pharisees? They are the corrupt Jews who turned Christ over to the Romans and demanded he be put to death. These same Pharisees exist today. They are in it for the money and the fame not the truth. People like Finkelstein and Fake Rabbi Wolpe, corrupt deniers of their own actual history.
The Exodus overlaps with the Hyksos being forced out and “they” inverted the story.
Brief comment but profound.
I can listen to Dr. Bergsma all day every day!! His sure knowledge, his compelling explanations, and his spirituality come from the Holy Spirit!
And still look elsewhere in order to learn about the contradictions that are going to be resolved along the journey - THE TRUTH never fails - GOD ALMIGHTY can unknot every knot as HE CREATED THEM - staying GOD ALMIGHTY'S COURSE is all that is required!
@@darthquantum5141
Considering the comment above one has to assume the opposite "dartquantum5141" IS the wise one.
Just remember if you're taking a test or are competing in a Quiz don't give these answers otherwise you'll be marked wrong or be incorrect. This is all for the Sunday school crowd.
i don't trust this guy there is way more evidence for the exodus.. the location in the red sea has basically an underwater bridge and the rest of the environment is exactly as described, there are chariot weels down there covered by coral, mount sinai has been found in saudi arabia with it's top blackened.. there is all kinds of evidence of the israelites having been there, from altars to drawings etc. etc.
Also this guy is talking about ramses 2 which tells you enough, it was way earlier than that. so he probably doesn't believe the bible when it says so and so were this old and this was this long ago etc.
also in the video about sodom, as far as i remember he didn't even mention the pure sulfur balls, of a purity that nature can come nowhere near, that are found all over the place, yet he talks about nukes and meteors.
Yes 👍😊
Thanks! “Ancient Egypt and the Bible” is a YT channel with a great video series on evidence for Exodus
Of course it happened. Its unbelieveable how most of our actual past has become "myth" since the "enlightenment".
That was the whole point of the enlightenment, to destroy actual history and the Bible in favor of a fake history of no religion and no truth. It's Satan's way of grabbing as many souls to go with him into the Lake of Fire as he can after Judgement Day.
Very interesting. Interesting parallels between the structure of Moses’ writings and the ancient Egyptian treaties.
We don't have any writings by anyone called Moses.
Except for Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, and arguably Job. Those were awesome.
@@thekatarnalchemist Ha! None of these were written by Moses.
@@thekatarnalchemist the Pentateuch and it’s transmission down to us is amazing. Ο Θεός να ευλογεί.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Christ would disagree with you on that one.
Exodus probably happened a couple or three hundred years before Ramses II. And there is at least one Egyptian description. The Ipuwer Papyrus describes ten "calamities" that overtook Egypt. It starts with the Nile being turned into blood and ends with the slaves getting all of the gold, silver, and jewels of the Egyptians.
Never happened. No evidence. The Egyptians did invade Israel though. In fact the story of Moses was clearly plagiarized from the Sumerian Sargon of Akkad. Look it up.
Are you familiar with the work of David Rohl?
Great question! Dr. Rohl makes a brilliant case that the pharaoh of the exodus was Amenhotep II. This video brings up great points about the Torah aligning with the cultures and writings of the Egyptian’s and emirates of the time, but does that argument apply to the time period of Amenhotep II too? 🤔
@@paulnelson9715 Never happened. The story is clearly plagiarized from Sargon of Akkad. Just like Noah is Utnapishtim, who was ordered by Enki to create a ship to escape the flood. That story of the Great Flood is actually way better or more detailed than the horrible plagiarized one in the the Bible. And unlike Exodus you actually have ancient clay tablet to back the story. Even the name Yahweh is plagiarized from the Anu, Enki and Enlil order. Say civilization is destroyed today and you have no source books anymore and you are ordered to tell the story Noah again. However you've forgotten the names and you just used the names in your society to rewrite the story the best you could. This is the story of Noah.
Ipuwer has nothing to do with the Exodus. First of all, it dates to the Middle kingdom, way before the Exodus. Second, the river turning to blood is referring to the annual inundation of the Nile. This is also what the first 6 plagues in Exodus are about. This was a common event, the book of Exodus only amplifies it. Another thing, is that Ipuwer belongs in a genre of prophetic literature of the Middle kingdom along with others texts like the Prophecy of Neferti, that all complain of an influx of Semites into the Nile delta, who were draining Egypt's resources. In other words, Ipuwer talks of Semitic foreigners coming INTO Egypt, not out.
There's an inscription called the Yahweh inscription that lists the "Nomads of Yahweh" as enemies of Egypt. They must have ticked someone off enough to get that kind of recognition.
Fascinating....now i have to find time to watch the whole interview
The RUclips channel Expedition Bible has a very compelling video on the 15th century being the time of The Exodus and Amonhotep II being the Pharaoh of the Exodus. Worth watching!
This simply isn't correct, it's complete and utter nonsense.
Yeah, does this guy know the scriptures? First, God would not try to mimic something a pagan nation would do. Second, the Ark came after Egypt. This is a new Evangelical philosophy. Be like the world to reach the world - Wrong!
That's actually pretty good explanation. The Egyptians did not record battles wherein they were defeated. I read about this about Tutankhamun's military campaigns in the Levant and having listened to Dr. Bob Brier say the same thing.
Not exactly true Eyptians did record their defeats but usually as a part of a grand narrative.
For example 1 Pharaoh had an entire story about how the rest of the army was utterly incompetent, losing battles where they outnumbered their opponents, they were getting pushed back, some got lost etc, etc. Until He took the battlefield and almost single handily defeated the enemy and brought back thousands of slaves.
Additionally there's records from successors wanting to diss the previous Pharaoh like "i reclaimed land that was lost by X" or "i avenged the humiliation brough upon our people when X was defeated"
There's also a lot from the end of the New Kingdom which was a time of turmoil and a loss of power and influence by the monarchs which suggests that they lost the ability to censor and control narratives during that time. There was too much going to hide their defeats and missteps.
An argument from silence, then.
Who are the Levant? Is there a description of them in the Torah?
@@PathtoYahawah Their battles against Canaanites, Hittites and other groups there.
@@parkmallbaby that is not a description of the Levant it is a description of a battle I want to know what they looked like.
Great video! It is well-known that the Egyptians were fond of rewriting their own history to erase or spin their failures/defeats/scandals. The United States has often done the same thing.
Oh, just got to take a shot at the Us ay? As if they are unique in that regard. Pfft. Can you say "Russia"??
@@beestoe993 You seem to miss the point. Any country you add to the list does not detriment the original point but rather adds to it.
And you just admitted the US does do it so, here's a penny.
Napoleon rewrote history, as did Nazi Germany. Herodotus wrote down everything he heard or was told but would state in no uncertain terms whether or not he believed it and why. Thucydides did the same but few other Greek or Roman Historians did the same. Procopius’ hatred of Empress Theodora comes through in almost every page of his “Secret History” and Anna Comnenus hero worship of her father has her changing, altering or just plain fabricating history in her history of her father’s reign “The Alexiad.”
@@williampaz2092What did Nazis rewrite?
Underground tunnels
Let’s not confuse ethnicity with religion either. All followers of our God were Jews but only a small percentage upheld an “us vs. them” superiority. Those people rebuked the Lord that showed us “you are all one in Christ”. Thus we are divided by new and old covenant.
And what say the Lord of those people that were promised Israel and Jerusalem and Judah but besmirched the Lord’s name and defiled his temple?
Jeremiah 24:9
“I will make them abhorrent and an offense to all the kingdoms of the earth, a reproach and a byword, a curse and an object of ridicule, wherever I banish them”
Remind you of any particular group of people? 🤔
Gods word is true and eternal. Of all things seen in the world you must remark first that it is by the hand of God that it is so. These people to this day are “made abhorrent” and God’s own words explains who and why but you, who call yourself Faithful to the Lord, shrug and say the Bible is outdated or exaggerated.
You judge in vain if you cannot say that truly, by the word of God, the world was consumed by a flood, that the walls of Jericho tumbled at the sound of trumpets, that Sodom and Gomorrah were smote by God’s hand, and that Lazarus was a mortal man deceased when Jesus commanded him from his grave.
Have faith that all of these are possible and true as told by God. You either have faith or you do not.
Dr. Bergsma is such a gift to the Church.
I think this mans evidence and then conclusion is at best sketchy
@@kut2459 I think you meant to say "I don't like his conclusions, so I'm going to question what he's saying even though I don't have any knowledge about the issue or any evidence to refute what he's saying."
There, fixed it for you.
It wasn't Moses who told the Israelites how to build the items. It was God! Check out Exodus chapter 31 where it explains how they knew how and what to build.
Wow, this is intriguing
Awesome to see this video right after watching several chapters of the Brazilian Series "Moses and the Ten Commandments". Loved the way the 10 Plagues were portrayed and also provided a bit of information on how each plague "touched" one of their divinities.
Great Video
Can you link this video?
The only problem with this theory is that God gave Moses explicit instructions on how to build the Tabernacle and the Ark. Plus why would God being completely different than those of other gods than replicate Egyptian gods, when he says in the Bible that God would judge the gods of Egypt.
This stance amounts to essentially "lack of direct evidence means it probably happened". Doesn't get more irrational than that.
‘The Egyptians hid it” … what a joke? Show any evidence from anywhere …else. These guys are jokes.
Much of what we know about Egypt is found on the temples and palace walls which were designed to honor their gods and their kings. Egyptians nonetheless, were rabid record keepers. They had an excessive access to papyri and they recorded all their day to day activities of the state on what are called "Egyptian Day Scrolls." The problem is that Papyri, unless kept in very controlled climates, doesn't last much more then 100 years. So, any records of the Jewish Exodus and its effect on Egypt would be found on the Day scrolls, which deteriorate quickly. Consider this. Rameses II is one of the longest reigning kings of Egypt. He reigned for 65 years. Guess how many Egyptian Day Scrolls we have recovered from his reign? ZERO. zilch. none.
So we have found no papyri scrolls from Rameses administration. The absence of such direct evidence isn't because it didn't happen but because the evidence that we would expect to find fell to pieces long ago.
@@blusheep2 None of your claims has any bearing on the Bible being real. You cannot operate on the unfounded premise that the Bible is real and then say 'the evidence of it was destroyed'. I can say 'Moses was actually an alien who came to earth in a UFO to influence history and the evidence was destroyed'. You see how ridiculous that sounds? Be objective, set your faith aside, and start thinking things through.
@@ArshAZ83 _You cannot operate on the unfounded premise that the Bible is real and then say 'the evidence of it was destroyed'._
Did you read what I wrote? I didn't do that. We have an ancient record of an Exodus of Hebrews from Egypt where they resided as slaves. This is in itself evidence of the event. Most ancient history is provided to us by only 1 source. Since the Bible has metaphysical claims that people still believe to day, we also desire to vet this story in order to discover how much of it is true, how much is hyperbole, how much made up, so that we can make a better judgment on its metaphysical claims.
One of the most common arguments against the Exodus is the lack of textual evidence from Egypt. Its reasoned that if these big events happened then it was bound to be recorded somewhere. This isn't an unreasonable expectation so its important to look at this expectation through an archeological/historical lens. So what I wrote about the Day Scrolls at the time of Rameses II, isn't trying to sweep anything under the rug. The simple truth of the matter is that we have ZERO day scrolls from the time of one of the longest reigning Kings of Egypt's past. The evidence, then, wasn't "destroyed," it just didn't "survive." Now if we had scroll upon scroll of Egyptian Day books from his reign and we didn't find any evidence within then certainly that would be something worth considering.
So I can only repeat your request back onto you. Be objective, set your beliefs aside, and start thinking things through.
"Indirect evidence is more compelling", seriously??
Bergsma is the man! Love all his stuff
You look at the ripple effects surrounding the Exodus. The Armana letters are a great example of the Canannite kings begging for help to Pharaoh when the "invading nomadic tribes" came into the promised land.
But where are the letters or other records that show the Israelites were ever in Egypt?
@@kevinkelly2162You mean like the Brooklyn Papyrus? I was shocked it existed because when I was an atheist, people I trusted as honest insisted there was zero evidence the Egyptians ever had semitic slaves. But there it is.
Eh, it would be strange if an empire as big as the Egyptian empire did not have slaves or even seasonal workers from surrounding countries. @@colmwhateveryoulike3240
Would make a good story but the Amarna letters were written around half a century before the reign of Ramses 2, under whose reign the exodus is traditionally dated. The Pharao who received them would have at the earliest have been Amenhotep 3 and at the latest Tutankamun
The Armana letters seem to be very clearly before the Exodus actually happened. The conflicts they mention are primarily one Egyptian vassal declaring war on another Egyptian vassal. The earliest evidence for Israel actually being in Canaan is the Merneptah Stela.
I love how apologists cherry-pick their history. So, let’s say that Ramses was the unidentified Pharaoh of the Exodus story and that Ramses somehow covered up 1.2 million Israelites leaving. This story STILL doesn’t make sense in that Canaan was part of the Egyptian Empire at this time, so were to believe that the Israelites fled from Egypt into Egypt? Not to mention the absolute devastation that many people leaving Egypt at once would have had on the Egyptian economy. Egypt only had about 8 million people at the time, so that’s about 15% of the population just leaving. No pharaoh was powerful enough to cover something like that up.
Facts have no place in this Bible story, we're starting out with the unproven premise that the Bible is real and doing mental gymnastics to 'prove it' by saying there was an Egyptian coverup! It's easier than simply saying the Bible is a work of fiction, with many stories stolen directly from Sumerians, Persians and the Egyptians themselves. We don't need those uncomfortable truths mucking up our Abrahamic fantasy.
After he said his first sentence, he exposed himself as a fraud.
How so
Perhaps you're the fraud 🤷♂️
The problem is that Israeli archaeologists, who have every reason to be biased, have searched the desert and have found absolutely no artifacts that indicate masses of people lived there during that time. There is 0 evidence to support the account of the Exodus. Sad but true.
Just as evolution based in bits of information that are combined, theists stongly agree on the Bible, just as scientists agrees on their own evolution theory.
@@0i7PX72Nga a) Theists DO NOT agree on the Bible. Let's have a room of Catholic and Protestant theologians and ask them whether Mary had additional children after Jesus. You'll find that they interpret the Bible VERY differently, and this is a minor point.
b) It doesn't matter what theists BELIEVE about Exodus or the Bible; it's what we can prove that's important. And we simply can't prove anything from the account of Exodus despite massive efforts to do so. Now, you might use the old, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" line, in which case, you must then believe the claims of Muslims, pagans, and believers in aliens.
Most of the historians who think the Exodus happened think that the actual number of people involved was in the region of 50,000-100,000 (the word usually translated "thousand" in the census numbers has a number of other meanings that would make sense in the context). At the time of the Exodus, the Sinai was a Savannah, rather than a desert, so perishable items from over 3000 years ago would likely not have survived. And the text literally says that the peoples' thing did not wear out during this time. So I'm not sure what artifacts you think we would be able to find, even if we had excavated every possible site they camped at (which we definitely haven't).
And even if what you said about there being no evidence of the wilderness period, it simply isn't true that there is 0 evidence to support the Exodus. Have a look at the Exodus: Rediscovered documentaries over on the Inspiring Philsophy channel, or any of the videos about the Exodus on the Ancient Egypt and the Bible channel.
How do you expect wandering people to leave artefacts
@@Charlotte_Martel Im so tired of people like you. The fact is that there is good evidence for an Exodus, but youre simply ignorant of it and insist there is none. Unfortunately, it is only the fringe, garbage and dishonest "evidence" that ever reaches the mainstream, and then ignorant people like you think thats all we have. And your statement that we cant prove ANYTHING from the Exodus account would be laughable even to secular scholars. I see in your first comment you made the ignorant complaint that we have no archeological evidence of Israel in the Sinai. That is correct. But now heres the shocker, we barely have any archeological evidence of any nomadic group in the Sinai in spite of having many textual sources talking about nomads in the Sinai like the Egyptian papyri. The only archeological crumbs of evidence of nomads in the Sinai are from places that these nomads were often returning to generation after generation. And not only that, but what are you expecting to find in the first place??? Materials are precious to nomads they arent just going to leave them there. Tent cloth? There is no way they are leaving that behind. Pottery? For one, you dont even have much clay to make pottery in the Sinai. And even if we found something, how would you know it belonged to the Israelites?? The Israelites came from the city of Avaris in Egypt which was a melting pot of different cultures. The Israelites would have mostly been a mixture of Canaanite and Egyptian material culture. So if the Exodus happened, I would infact NOT expect archeological evidence in the Sinai. When we talk of the wandering period specifically must deal with the internal textual evidence, not the external archeological evidence. In fact, most of the evidence for the Exodus as a whole is textual, although there is a bit of archeological evidence too especially with the conquest of Canaan.
Funny I can’t verify any of the things he is saying. Also Egypt up until Alexander’s invasion had not changed………so no nothing checks out here.
Actually the Persians invaded first and began suppressing Egyptian culture, Alexander drove them out and was regarded as a liberator because he had no machinations to destroy the faith of the Egyptians, like the Persians had.
It's almost like JHWH knew what was going to be BEFORE it ever happened AND put MOSES in the right place at the right time!
Just like God knew how to put the All Holy Virgin Mary in the right place at the right time
Same with Our Lord Jesus Christ. Born just at the time when the Jews would have had exposure to Greek civilization (and philosophy) and under the dominion of Rome, through which infrastructure was made available to spread the Gospel to Europe, Asia, and Africa.
@@odetafecani1614”all holy?” As a Christian raised Protestant and considering Catholicism its stuff like this that deters me. Even if I accept Mary being holy, it was God who kept her pure of sin, why are you calling her “all” as if she is THE holy one?
@@FisherOfMenParakletos what do you mean by the Holy one? She is the Mother of God. I’m not Catholic. I’m Eastern Orthodox. That’s how we refer to Her in our liturgy and hymns. We don’t just say Mary, as if she is just our friend. We refer to her by appropriate titles such as Mother of God, Theotokos, All Holy, etc. It was divine AND human cooperation that kept her pure of sin, according to the Orthodox, because in Christianity we have free will and she chose to put her free will in the service of God.
FYI, poetically we also refer to her as the second Eve, because the first Eve chose by her own free will to go against the will of God, but not the Theotokos. She is the redemption of the tears of Eve, because what the first Eve got wrong, was fixed by The All Holy’s “yes” to God, becoming instrumental in our salvation.
@@odetafecani1614 Thank you for you response dear brother I will study and look into this.
This explains the term "mercy seat" to describe the lid of the Ark of the Covenant. It corresponds to Pharoah's throne between two cherubim in his war tent. Thank you!
It corresponds with Jesus on the mercy seat with His blood upon the throne as He has taken our place by the shedding of His blood for us, standing in the gap of forgiveness for our sins. The mercy seat is where the blood of the sacrifice was sprinkled once a year as an offering for the forgiveness of all sins for the people. The blood was always placed on one side of the seat as the other side was reserved for the blood of Christ.
@@christinemiller1946 Christ did not act in our oplace, but for us, so that his sacrifice can be partaken by us so as to renew our lives in its resemblance... protestants invented doctrine and then project it onto the Scriptures - that is not a good way to be faithful...
@@silveriorebelo2920, without Christ acting "in your place," there is No salvation. Christ on the cross was NOT Christ telling Yahweh, "Here's a payment of the same sin 'value' that these sinners amassed, balancing-out the debt." Christ on the cross was Our debt, transferred to Him, paid in full.
Colossians 2:8-15, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells bodily, and in Him you have been filled, who is the head over all rule and authority; in whom you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you being dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive with Him, having graciously forgiven us all our transgressions. Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us which was hostile to us, He also has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them in Him."
He "canceled-out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us" by "having nailed it to the cross." By this "He made you alive with Him, having graciously forgiven us all our transgressions." The nails of the cross were OUR nails; the cross was OUR cross.
1 Peter 2:24, "Who Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that having died to sin, we might live to righteousness; by His wounds you were healed."
Our sins were "in" Christ on the cross. Christ bore them, and suffered death by the judgement of Our sin "IN" Him being cast on Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
He "knew" no sin (didn't have it within His being), and was made "to BE sin on our behalf" (He took our sin within Himself, contained it, defeated it, and cleansed it).
I do not partake IN the sacrifice, because Christ said "it is finished" (John 19:30). There is no more sacrifice to partake in. It is done. Communion is done in "remembrance of Me" (1 Corinthians 11:24-25). WE do not partake in the sacrifice itself, that is not scriptural.
It's not Christ's Church that has been inventing traditions and bad doctrine, but the Catholic Church.
ruclips.net/video/MeSY7oLxhe4/видео.htmlsi=XpNoNzH0Dc-w6DaW Red Sea Typology and others on my channel
I doubt Bergma’s scholarship. The Egyptian did record their defeats as well as their victory. For example, the Ipuwer papyrus records defeats by the Hykos and Hitities. There is no archeological evidence of Hebrew presence in Egypt, their enslavement and exodus. Staying for 40 years in the dessert would have left considerable archeological evidence. There would be ample of evidence in the Red Sea which presumable down thousands of Egyptian soldiers, chariots and weapons, with modern technology it would not be difficult to find these. Lastly, which would a Hebrews build Tabernacle and an ark that resemble Egyptian structures when Elohim (their gods) detested foreign gods and their imagery, eg. The golden calf?
Lol nearly everything you just said has already been found. Look into it. The ample evidence you seek is out there.
There is a great RUclips Channel called "Ancient Egypt and the Bible" that covers the historicity of the Exodus. It's host Dr. David Falk is protestant unfortunately but it's still a good channel and has a ton of good information. Be neat if he was brought on Pints at some point.
That's a fantastic channel. Dr. Falk is a gem. I've learned so much from him.
Why is it a misfortune to be a Protestant? Jesus was a catholic?
@@miqueasmurga8698 Jesus was Jewish.
@@talithakoum3922He asked if Jesus is Catholic, and the answer is obviously yes. His race/ethnicity was not asked.
@@berwynsigns4115 Jesus was Jewish both ethnically and in practice. He said He came to fulfill the Law of Moses. He was not a Catholic because Christianity had not yet split from Judaism. This is self-evident from the Gospels and should require no further explanation.
“Hey Guys let’s make up being slaves to our main geopolitical enemy”
Why are skeptics like this?
Herodotus never in his life wrote a single thing about the jewish people in egypt or otherwise. Fascinating if you know about his life.
Because there was nothing impressive. no great works of art, literature, cultural conventions. They were just a very angry desert tribe who delighted in interfering with the religious festivals and ceremonies of pagans and did so enough times it drew the ire of Rome and resulted in their being crushed by it.
So interesting!! Never heard this information before now!! Thank you!!
That was AMAZING! Where can I learn more on this??
Answers in Genesis is full of this nonsense. And if you are really hard of thinking you could try Ron Wyatt but he is only for the hardcare gullible.
Ignore Kevin. I’d recommend digging into the Egyptian chronology debate, specifically Rohr’s work (he’s not a Christian but is a very good scholar). Patterns of Evidence is a great documentary, even if produced by our evangelical brethren. It gives a simplified overview that will knock your socks off if you dig this stuff.
@@perelandra35813😂I got the "Home Alone" Vibe going with your "Ignore Kevin" 🤣🙌
@@Stak1776 😆 Seriously, dropped a “Buzz?! Your girlfriend? Woof,” tonight after vespers.
Ancient Egypt and the Bible, the channel of Dr. David Falk here on youtube. He's an egyptologist who is very knowledgeable on the Exodus topic, and he doesn't teach the nonesense of Amenhotep II being the Exodus pharoah.
I'm nolonger supprised that we have known this for nearly a century that.
Great content!! I'm new to the channel, looking forward to seeing more of your videos!!👍
Flavius Josephus also talked about the Exodus
Josephus is too recent for a scientific resource on that matter. He is great to cite when it come to history that he's a contemporary of.
Josephus was a Jew long after the events of the exodus, ofc he’s gonna report it like it happened
@@TheMrJoltzSo he does not support your belief system. Got it!
@@lahaina4791 He was a first century Jew. Citing Josephus as a source on Moses would be liking citing me as a source on Hengist and Horsa.
You do realize that Egyptian territories ranged from Egypt through Canaan to Greece right? So if there were Jews who left Egypt, why would they go to Canaan? They left Egypt for more Egypt? Also, on that same point, when you mentioned the tabernacle resembling Egyptian tents of the Pharaohs, it made me think of Canaanites living in Canaan would be influenced by Egyptian culture, and in Canaan, the eventual development of Judaism happened. You see cross-cultural borrowing go on all the time, even to this day. This is in no way evidence for the exodus or that 12 million Jews were in Egypt. And in regards to Egyptians “covering up” evidence of defeat from another god not of their own-there were individuals in Egypt who tried to get rid of evidence of other individuals, let alone millions of people. Thetmose III tried to get rid of evidence of his step mother Hatshepsut because she denied him access to the throne for the first two decades of his life. How could an all powerful Pharaoh not be able to get rid of evidence of ONE person (and we HAVE EVIDENCE that he tried to get rid of evidence of her existence) but there’s not any evidence of Hebrew slaves, millions of them, living in Egypt and a portion of them (3-4 million people is a large portion of people) wandered for 40 years in a desert that is somewhat smaller than the state of West Virginia? No evidence anywhere! And even if there were evidence of an exodus of millions of Hebrew slaves from Egypt because a Pharaoh believed that natural occurrences were supernatural occurrences (wouldn’t be the first time someone from antiquity believed something that seems silly to us today) it wouldn’t be evidence that a god was behind it. I just find it ridiculously jaw dropping that the standard of evidence that’s used by religious people to show their religion to be true is different than the standards of evidence that they use for EVERYTHING else in their lives or for other religions not their own. Mormonism seems silly to a Baptist but Christianity seems silly to a Jewish person. The standard of evidence Christians use for their own beliefs is abysmal but they chuckle at how silly Mormonism is. Atheism is just not believing in one more religion than religious people believe in. The word atheism shouldn’t even have to exist but it does since religions (really just cults accepted by the masses) impose their beliefs on others when they should mind their own business.
They actually found the remains of the Egyptian army in the water. Everything started having coral grow on it but it's identifiable. They found weapons, chariots and animal and human remains on the 2 sides of the underwater landbridge
Wow!!
No they didn't and haven't. No evidence whatsoever.
The bible speaks of a kingdom called mizrim not Egypt. Never was Egypt called mizrim in ancient times hence why they haven't found any proof.
Dear @christatum3045
No No No !!
That is Puesdo-history myth and that is why you cannot find any thing like this in any museum. And also why Christian archaeologists, historians and old testament Scholars reject this sensationalistic stories.
If you believe these ideas you have drunk the kool-aid and hae been deceived stick with the Biblical Scriptures and Christian scholarship and stay away from fables men create to tickle peoples's ears. DZ
I remember that article.
It was science fiction though.
The Merneptah Stele preserves the first written record of Israel outside the Bible. It says in part:
"The Canaan has been plundered into every sort of woe:
Ashkelon has been overcome.
Gezer has been captured.
Yano’am is made non-existent.
Israel is laid waste and his seed is not."
This shows Israel was an independent entity by the time of Pharaoh Merneptah successor to Ramsses II (r. 1213-1203).
Further, Egyptian writing includes special signs to indicate what kind of entity a thing is, and the sign used for Israel indicates a foreign people that is not settled in a land-as compared to the other groups that have signs indicating they were settled.
This suggests Merneptah may have attacked Israel during the wandering in the wilderness before the Israelites conquered the Promised Land.
It would also be consistent with him having fought a group of Israelites at some point during the book of Joshua. Which is rather more likely, given the timeframe. The most likely date for the Exodus is Ramses II's 25th regnal year, when first heir firstborn died. And this was 41 years before Merneptah came to the throne.
@SaintCharbelMiracleworker
The supposed Scholars of the Merneptah Stele fail to realize that the term: Israel, was in use long before it was given to the Jews.
In fact . . . the Hebrew, language is a language without a single original root; it is a composite language formed of bits of Greek, Arabic, and Chaldean.
It is like a harlequin's coat.
Take any Hebrew word and you will find that its roots are either Arabic, Greek, or Chaldean, and Chaldean comes from Hindu Sanskrit.
The allegorical story of the Old Testament Exodus is just a repeat of the allegorical story of the Egyptian Exodus which you have admitted in your comment that it was spoken of in Egypt long before it was retold in the Old Testament.
The Egyptian Allegory -
The meaning of this term will be made clear from the following, taken from the systems of the Naaseni (Ophites) and of Justinus as found in the Philosophumena.
The Exodus of the Children of Isrā‘-l from Egypt (i.e., the body) was hindered by the waters of the Great Jordan (the type of spiritual birth or generation), which were turned backward and made to flow upward.
Again the Sons of Isrā‘-l crossed the Red Sea and came into the Desert (i.e., by parturition were born into the world), where are the gods of destruction and the god of salvation.
The former are they which inflict the necessity of changeable birth on those who are born into the world.
These are the Serpents of the Desert, and it was in order that the Sons of Isrā‘-l might escape the bites of these Powers that Moses showed them the True and Perfect Serpent.
In the system of Justinus the first triad consists of The Good Principle, the Elōhīm and Eden or Isrā‘-l, the latter being considered as feminine and figured as a Virgin above and a Viper below; she is the Spouse of the Elōhīm.
The passage of Isaiah (i, 2-3) -
“Hear, O heaven, and give ear, O earth, for the Lord hath spoken . . . But Isrā‘-l does not know me . . .” is explained by saying that Heaven is the Spirit of the Elōhīm in man, earth the Soul which is in man with the Spirit, Isrā‘-l is Egypt (i.e., matter).
It is abundantly evident from the above that the Tribes of Isrāēl are the men of this world of matter.
@@jackalsgate1146 That's a very unique take on the origin of the Hebrew language. We have Hebrew inscriptions dating centuries before there was significant cultural contact between Greece and the Holy Land. And our earliest evidence of Arabic comes from centuries after Hebrew was replaced as the common language by Aramaic. Recent discoveries of a significant amount of Amorite/Amoritic text (a language where we previously had only a few words of) have led scholars to conclude that Hebrew is directly descended from Amoritic. And there are a number of Hebrew words which are very obviously Egyptian loan words. Particularly in the Torah.
@@stephengray1344
The Jews are an artificial Aryan race, born in India, and belong to the Caucasian division.
No one who is familiar with the Armenians and the Parsis can fail to recognize in the three the same Aryan, Caucasian type.
As I also said -
Israel is not a word that originated with the Hebrews.
Do you actually think that the Egyptians are going to borrow from the Jews or are the Jews going to borrow from the Egyptians.?
Did the slaves (of North America) borrow Christianity from their slave owners or did the slave owners borrow Christianity from the slaves.?
There was no such thing as a literal Israelite exodus out of Egypt.
@@jackalsgate1146 So you're talking about some of the ancestor languages of Hebrew, rather than Hebrew itself? IN which case your references to Greek and Arabic as ancestors makes even less sense than it did before.
Yes, I think that the Israelites borrowed from Egypt, rather than the other way around. But that's because the evidence does seem to suggest that they did originate from the Semitic population that lived in Egypt. As for the name Israel in the Merneptah Stela, that's the proper name of a tribal group that the Egyptians claim to have defeated. Most of the time the name used in one language for a particular nation or people group is simply the name the nation or people group called themselves at the point the two started to interact (sometimes with minor alterations to make it easy to pronounce). That's why, for example, English-speaking people call Ukraine Ukraine.l
And if you're going to say that the Exodus definitely didn't happen, you're going to have to explain what your evidence is for this claim. What's your alternative explanation for the abandonment of Avaris, the record of a non-settled people calling themselves Israel in Canaan a generation later, and this coinciding with the appearance of distinctively Israelite culture in the archaeological record of Canaan? Even if you think that this doesn't prove the Exodus, it is at least consistent with the story (which has a number of features that strongly suggest that it, or its source material, dates back to the time this happened) having some basis in actual history.
Moses made all of the items for the "Tent" and for worship.....as directed by 'God'. God gave him the blueprints and direction for how he was to build His Tent. Moses wasn't designing it himself according to the cultural norms of the day. And they didn't "organize themselves".....GOD told them what to do...
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This was really good. Thank you.
This makes perfect sense, God raised up Moses with his specific skills and abilities in order to use him for this task of writing His word. I love the bit about the war tent. God is showing Israel that he can play just like the "god kings" yet of course he wins!
Very interesting. Thanks for making this video. Much appreciated
Bravo! Thank you for intelligent, well explained scientific evidence of The Truth.
He presents excellent evidence on this topic, but he did not mention the physical evidence, which was a Jewish temple recently uncovered somewhere near Israel (can't remember the name of the Jew who this story was about in the Bible). But anyway, during excavations at the temple site, not only was the temple erected exactly as described in the Bible, but they also found Egyptian scarabs lying around, which were some sort of stone jewelry in the shape of a small beetle. The archeologists had no doubt whatsoever that these artifacts were of Egyptian origin.
@@trevorjameson3213that’s very interesting
The Tuareg celebration of the pharaoh’s death whilst chasing the Israelites is called Sebeiba. 3500 year old celebration.
The hardest and easiest thing to do in life is to admit Jesus is God.
Especially when you know that particular line of rubbish was concocted in the fourth century by the Council of Nicaea at the behest of a Roman Emperor named Constantine. Jesus was a real man, we know this from the apocryphal texts, he was not divine, he was not born of God, he never claimed thus in the Gnostic texts, which is why they had to be destroyed and their reading was made punishable by death by the power hungry LIARS whose lie you still believe.
@@ArshAZ83 and yet the world is ran by pdf stnists. Fulfilling Biblical prophecies.
Paul in writing to the Galatians, tells us were Mt Sinia really is (not in Egypt) and findings about the real Mt Sinia, including where the crossing of the Red Sea happened. It is all quite amazing and yet it seems not many people are even aware of this.
Ancient sources of Sinai always referred to the peninsula as a part of Arabia. In Paul’s time, Sinai = Arabia.
@@axismundi2142bruh, who lies to their teeth?
See Patterns of Evidence by Timothy Mahoney
Can you give the exact reference so that I can look it up.
@@michaelhaywood8262Galatians 4:25
More evidence that our creator loves us.
I'm not Catholic, but your interviews with Dr. John Bergsma are just authentic pan-Christian gold! God bless you both as well as your team.
Pan Christian? Do you consider Catholics brothers and sisters in Christ.
Panchristans? That doesn't exist. Christians are Christians either they are the original Jones (Catholic) or protestant ( the ones who decided to separate from the original knowledge of Christ - sadliy lied by Luther- but still Christiansand our brothersi n Christ )
@@NohAotori You have that very mixed up. Luther brought the word (translated it from latin to english) to the common people so they could read the Bible for themselves. The catholic church didn't want the common people to understand what the Bible really said because they knew their teachings were wrong and they could control the people. Learn the history for yourself and read the Word for yourself, Catholicism has many many incorrect teachings and beliefs that don't come from the Bible. The truth is that God used Martin Luther to save His church from the catholic church.
Dear@@B4Africa
All authentic Christians are generally considered to be "Catholics" (that is of the Universal Church of Jesus the Christ composed of all believers regardless of denomination).
Any Roman Catholic who is an authentic believer in Jesus is a "Catholic", just as any Anglican who is an authentic believer in Jesus is a "Catholic", in the Catholic Church of Jesus.
By that same line of thinking if you are a member of the Roman Catholic Church and you are not an authentic believer in Jesus, then you are not a member of the the Catholic (Universal) Church of Jesus.
The same goes for someone who is a member of a baptist Church. If they are not an authentic believer in Jesus, they are not a member of the the Catholic (Universal) Church of Jesus.
Membership on some church role (whether it be Roman Catholic, Methodist, Church of England, Orthodox, etc.). does not save anyone. those are not a method of coming to the Father.
This we know to be definitively true - Only Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father but through Jesus !
Be Well, DZ
@Silverheart1956 Roman Catholic and Catholic is not the same thing. Unfortunately, we studied theology and church history. The early church was at some point united as a universal church, and that's why the church councils like Nicea included all Bishops. But the Council of Constantinople was a turning point, then you had the Eastern church's, and then Roman Catholic Church emerged out of that schism.
The worl Catholic means university, yes. But Roman Catholic is something else
One problem... well two actually.
So I ran the numbers, went and read up a bit about the life of Jacob and of his sons and of later generations.
I found the following.
Jacob lives the last 17 years of his life in Egypt, dying at age 147, arriving in Egypt aged 130. (Gen 47:9, 28)
Joseph is 30 when he enters Pharaoh's service, (Gen 41:46) is 37 by the end of the last year of plenty and 39 when his brothers arrive in Egypt during the 2nd year of famine. (Gen 45:6)(Jacob was thus around 91 years old when Joseph was born, given that the reunion of the family happens within that same year.
Joseph lives to 110 (Gen 50: 22) meaning he dies 71 years after his family join him in Egypt.
Now the problematic bit:
Ex 6: 16-20 we get the following.
Levi (Joseph's older brother) lived to 137 years old, Kohath, the second of his three sons, lived to 133 years old, this being the father of Amram, who like Levi lived 137 years, Amram is the father of Moses and Aaron.
Moses speaks to Pharaoh at age 80 (Ex 7:7)
So, let's put these numbers together.
Levi was at least 39 (he is older than Joseph) upon arriving in Egypt. This would mean that at most, he lived in Egypt for 98 years. Let us assume, crazy as it may be, that Kohath is born the day after Levi dies and that Amram is born the day after Kohath dies, and finally that Moses is born the day after his own father dies, that's three generations in a row of men fathering their children while older than 130, and with no father son contact at all, just to stretch out the time as much as possible.
Levi's 98 years in Egypt, + 133 years for Kohath, + 137 years for Amram, + 80 years to get to when Moses speaks to Pharaoh.
That put Moses speaking to Pharoah at a total of 448 years after Jacob's arrival in Egypt. This looks about right given that Ex 12:40-41 gives the Israelites 430 years to the day in Egypt.
The problem here is that this number is deeply unrealistic, and not by a margin of 18 years, it would be realistic to assume that Kohath had already been born by the time Levi arrived in Egypt (given that a total of 70 of Jacobs descendents lived by the time of their arrival in Egypt, given Jacob's 12 sons, Levi being the 3rd eldest of the sons, even counting the wives as descendents of Jacob (which they aren't), you still need some of Jacob's grandsons, and Levi is a solid candidate for contributing at least 2 of those. It would not even be out of the question for Levi's first to have been born before Joseph was sold into slavery.
So that loses you the entirety of Levi's 98 years in Egypt as they overlap with 98 years of Kohath's life. And we have not even touched on Kohath-Amram's realistic overlap, or Amram-Moses overlap.
So firstly, it is extremely unrealistic for BOTH Exodus 6 and 12 to have accurate figures.
The other problem hits us a bit later, in Numbers 1:46 we get a count of 603 550 men of fighting age among the Israelites upon leaving Egypt, and this seemingly does not count the Levites so we can probably safely add in another 32 000 ish (smallest of the counted tribes comes in around this size).
This count is JUST men of fighting age, so we can double our ~ 635 000 to include women, so we are sitting on 1,27 million young adults, and we still need to account for the elderly and for children, which should be able to double the figure, but let's be generous and make it 1,5 million people in total.
430 years, starting population of 70 people, ending population of 1 500 000 (and bear in mind, that 430 is definitely overshooting the actual length if Exodus 6 is reliable to any degree.
We are talking here about basically every woman has to have just about no womb downtime and every pregnancy has to be at least quadruplets to get there. This goes way beyond "Exceedingly fruitful" (Exodus 1:7)
If your intent is to modify birth rates to favour females in order to have more available wombs to make that stretch. Please remember to adjust the target number to reflect those additional women.
Also bear in mind here that, were there a population of Semitic slaves in Egypt that outnumbered the Egyptians (Ex 1:9), we'd probably notice an era during which a large number of Semitic slaves were portrayed, or if the propaganda coverup is to be believed, an era wherein many depictions of slaves are vandalised to hide their race.
The ONLY era during which significant numbers of Semites are depicted in Egyptian art is during the Hyksos era, and those semites are not slaves, but instead are royals.
This means we can probably conclude safely that no population of semitic peoples numbering more than a million ever lived in Ancient Egypt.
You have a whole lotta "let's assume" going on in your narrative.. I'm just saying.. thats a red flag for the "let's NOT assume" kinda folks..
@@grandmagrace9453 Which assumptions do you take issue with?
List them, and I will address them.
That's a lot of work based on a fallacy. Current Egyptian chronology is off by about 400 years. It has been overinflated by that much by Egyptologists who had very little hard evidence to support such a flawed chronology. As much as Egyptologists want us to think they know a lot about Egyptian history, in reality they know very little. Of the 5000 years or so of Egyptian history, only about 20-30% is actually known. The rest is all unproven theory and conjecture based on weak or no evidence at all. Sad to say your numbers are so wrong. Current proposed chronology would correct your numbers to more accurate ones and bring Egypt's history more into focus. Egyptian chronology is NOT set in stone. It needs revision, but the old hardliners won't allow it because it makes the Bible a historical document as well as a religious one and they can't have that since they are anti-Bible.
@@darreldstudie Did you actually read my comment?
None of what you say is to even the slightest degree relevant to what I say in my comment.
I do not rely on Egyptian chronology AT ALL... I don't even mention it.
@@cobusvanderlinde6871 Yes, I read your post and like I said, your numbers are just wrong. Yes, you DO rely on conventional Egyptian chronology for your dates and subsequent ages as much as you deny it, but that chronology is flawed and inaccurate by about 350 - 400 years so that throws your flawed dates and ages right out the window. Stop doing this ridiculous theorizing and stick to actual factual evidence and things that can be proven scientifically. There is a coming upheaval in Egyptian chronology that will bring more knowledge of the Kings of Egypt, their reigns and align the history of Egypt more in line with the Bible. The old hardliners are dying off and a new breed of Egyptologist is emerging. One that doesn't hide things that will not fit the old flawed theories.
Wow I didn't know that, no wonder why the Egyptians worshippers are constantly telling us we Christian's are copying off of their Religion...
Interesting
Moses brought Israel out of Egypt in 1446 bc, and the Exodus wasn't on tv, so.unless you.were alive in 1446 bc you just have to believe by faith. Nothing else
I've also heard that a massive volcanic eruption from the island of Santorini sometime between 1500 and 1600 BC could also explain the plague of darkness and also the retreating of the water of the Red Sea before a tidal wave.
And the water retreated up the Suez Canal 😂
Dear @Sindraug25,
Afraid the Santorini Eruption was a little too early to be connected with the Exodus. The "Early Exodus Theory" dates the Exodus around 1446 BC, and the "Late Exodus Theory" around 1270 BC. DZ
@@Silverheart1956 Not if the Egyptian chronology is wrong and the Exodus happened about 1450 BCE which is about when the Santorini eruption took place. That would also place the Exodus some 40 years before the destruction of Jericho in 1400 BCE by the Israelites as the Bible states. There is no way in hell the late Exodus theory holds water. It's just a pipe dream of the ignorant. Israel was already a nation in Canaan when Ramesses II came to power in Egypt. He sacked Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem and took the Golden Shields back to Egypt. Just more evidence that Egyptian chronology is off by about 200 - 400 years. By the current chronology, the Exodus happened about 1650 BCE at the end of the 13th Dynasty under Pharaoh Dedimose and ushered in the Hyksos invasion which lasted from 1650 -1570 BCE. By correcting the erroneous chronology by about 400 years over the entire existence of Egypt everything in the history of the entire region falls neatly into place and Egypt's dark ages are more accurate. The current chronology is based on flawed evidence and failed theories.
Dear@@darreldstudie , Hello !
I would support the date of around 1446 BC or possibly later (if one uses the Septuagint's chronology). This date is based upon Biblical Chronology unassociated with Egyptian Chronology.
You said, "By the current chronology, the Exodus happened about 1650 BCE at the end of the 13th Dynasty under Pharaoh Dedimose". I would not agree with that assertion at all (I cannot imagine how one could arrive at that date). According to current Egyptian Chronology, if we accept the date of 1446 BC as the date of the Exodus, then the Exodus certainly would have occurred in the 18th dynasty. Many who accept the Early Exodus Theory, lean towards Amenhotep II as the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
Proponents of The Late Exodus Theory, usually support Ramses II as the Pharaoh of the Exodus, and date the Exodus as occurring around 1265 BC. According to standard Egyptian Chronology, Ramses II would have been the Pharaoh at that time.
I agree that by this time Israel was already in Canaan and recognized as "Israel" according to the Merneptah Stele. The Merneptah Stele is credited to Pharaoh Merneptah (the Son of Ramses II), and is dated to 1208 BC, A date that is consistent with the standard Egyptian chronology.
According to the Scriptures, it was Shishak who who sacked Jerusalem in the 10th century BC. This occurred about 926 BC, during the 5th year of Rehoboam's Judean reign.
The Biblical name of Shishak has been identified by most Egyptologists as Shoshenq I, of the 22nd dynasty.
By this time, Ramses II had been dead for over 250 years, according to Standard Egyptian Chronology.
There is an Egyptologist by the name of David Rohl who is an advocate of the idea that Shishak should be identified as Ramses II, but his fringe theory is not well accepted by most Archaeologists and Egyptologists. I think Rohl also supports the idea that Dedimose was the Pharaoh of the Exodus, which would require a lot twists to make that fit with the chronologies. His ideas do not make sense to me.
As I understand the issues, this date of 1446 BC for the Exodus, would be later (by perhaps 150 years or more) than the eruption of Santorini/Thera, which is dated around 1600 to 1550 BC.
I would contend that the Early Exodus Theory is developed from the Biblical Chronology and fits the historical context of the events surrounding the Exodus and is consistent with the Standard Egyptian Chronology.
Be Well, DZ
@@Silverheart1956 I agree that Egyptian chronology is a mess. It is off by about 350 - 400 years. Using the current flawed chronology, the Exodus could only have happened about 1650 BCE when the old hardliner Egyptologists and Archaeologists place the Hyksos invasion. I say that the actual Exodus happened about 1450 BCE with the adjusted chronology during the reign of Djedhotepre Dedumose I or Dudimose the last Pharaoh of the 13th Dynasty and allowed the Hyksos invasion of Egypt of the 2nd Intermediate Period in 1650 - 1570 BCE. I say the Hyksos invasion was 1450 - 1370 BCE during the 2nd Intermediate period. It is the only time in Egyptian history that mirrors the Bible exactly. I agree with David Rohl and John Bimson on the chronology. It has to be adjusted to get rid of the 350 - 400 years error. With the adjustment, all other historical events of the period also fall neatly into place and the fake dark ages imposed by Archaeologists of many civilizations also disappear. These gaps are due to the deeply flawed current Egyptian chronology.
Now, the dating of Santorini is also based on the flawed chronology of Egypt so I am saying the Santorini volcanic eruption also occurred in 1450 BCE based on a more accurate corrected Egyptian chronology and is proof of the Biblical plagues happening at the time of Moses and the Exodus. And I don't trust carbon dating to be accurate at all.
The problem with the conventional chronology is that there is no evidence to support the Exodus in 1450 BCE but if the chronology is adjusted then all of the evidence becomes very clear and aligns precisely with the Bible dates and ages in 1450 BCE.
Now, Shishak is not Shoshenk I. There is no way in hell they are the same person. They both had campaigns into Canaan at different times in Egyptian history. Champollion misread the hieroglyphs at Karnak. Shishak (Ramesses II) 1103 BC - 1013 BCE sacked the Temple of Solomon and took back the golden shields to Egypt during the reign of Rehoboam. I am saying the dates for Ramesses II are way off. That is true. Now, follow along with me. The coronation name of Ramesses II is Usermaatre-setepenre pronounced Washmuariya-shatapnariya and his birth name is Ramesses-meriamun pronounced Riyamashisha-miamana. His nick name or short form of his name used by all nations of the time is Shisha or Shishak.
Shoshenq I is a Pharoah who came after Shishak and campaigned into Canaan much later but never entered Jerusalem. His campaign was farther west and north of Jerusalem. Hedjkheperre Setepenre Shoshenq I ruled from about 943-922 BCE by conventional chronology. I say that is wrong and he ruled much later in 743-622 BCE by the revised chronology. Shoshenq I was the son of Nimlot A, Great Chief of the Ma, and his wife Tentshepeh A, a daughter of a Great Chief of the Ma herself; Shoshenq was thus the nephew of Osorkon the Elder, a Meshwesh king of the 21st Dynasty. He could not possibly be the Pharaoh Shishak since Rehoboam was long dead during his reign. Rehoboam was a contemporary of Ramesses II not Shoshenq I.
We know when the 3rd Intermediate Period ended. But we don't know much about what happened during the Period and I say it was much shorter than conventional dating states. I say it is some 200 years shorter than current chronology states. By adjusting this period to a shorter time, 200 years instead of 400 years, everything aligns exactly with Biblical history which it does not by conventional chronology.
Watch Patterns of Evidence to understand all of this. David Rohl is exactly right. Egyptian chronology is way off and needs to be adjusted by about 350 years.
Makes me want to learn more. Brilliant talk.
Yes, there was an exidus! It was called the Hyksos expulsion. Not much is known except they were semetic sheppards. Nothing is known about their religion except they have found idols in Avaris. More likely is Judaism evolved from the merging of Egyptian, Assyrian and Phoenician religions.
The ancient Greek testimony is pretty straight forward evidence because much of it was written before scripture was even translated into Greek. I don't have exact citations ready but I'll drop a bunch of keywords and names that will make locating them easy if you're really interested.
They testify that men like Cadmus, the so called "Phoenician", who they record had brought them their first written language alphabet (which is for all intents and purposes identical to what is called Paleo-Hebrew btw), had come out of Egypt with Moses.
There are others referenced as well, who, the Greeks claim, left Egypt with Moses but did not follow him on his journey through the wilderness, and instead traveled north, crossed the Mediterranean, and founded many of the major cities and regions which constituted ancient Greece.
Another was a man named Darda, from whence came the Dardanian "Greeks", as well as the name for the region still called the Dardanelles to this day. He's an interesting one, as he is also mentioned twice in scripture, once simply as having been a descendant of Zerah, son of Judah, but the other time, most impressively, he is cited in a verse which intends to emphasize the great wisdom of Solomon by comparison, saying that Solomon is "even wiser than" Darda. This means Darda himself must've been famous for wisdom in Isreal back then, and yet none of his accomplishments or exploits are recorded, which lends credence to the idea that they happened elsewhere, outside the land where all biblical accounts are centered.
Then there's the correspondence between the King of Lacedemonia (which was essentially Sparta and their extended family) and the High Priest in Israel, some time around 150-200 BC, recorded in the apocryphal book of Maccabees, but also separately cited by the first century historian Flavius Josephus, in which those "Greeks" offer their military support to the remnant of Israel, who were being attacked and threatened at that time by the Seleucid Greeks. They were doing so, offering their help, because, they said, paraphrasing, that they had discovered ancient writings which proved to them that the two peoples were genuine brothers, sons of Abraham. Israel writes back, graciously turning down their assistance, but adds that they are correct, that they are aware of this close blood relation between the two, because, they tell them, their own ancient writings say the same thing.
Modern academia is ignorant of these things for several reasons, not the least of which being that they're off on their Egyptian chronology by 2-3 hundred years. The Exodus happened closer to 1500 BC, and the Pharoah was most certainly one of the TutMOSES', as the daughter of Pharoah would've given the child her family name.
Academia also, for some pretty shady reasons, refuses to acknowledge that the Phoenicians, the "Great Sea Peoples" of old, are actually just the northern tribes of Israel, despite the fact that they existed at the same exact time, in the same exact land, and spoke the exact same language. Despite the biblical accounts from the time of David and Solomon, circa 1000 BC, which clearly state that Israel by that later time had amassed an enormous number of ships, and were bringing in boat loads of precious metals DAILY. They like to completely ignore all of the Greek testimony about how the Phoenicians came from Egypt, and instead claim that they were Canaanites. In the Tel Armana letters though, dated to the appropriate period, the actual Canaanites, who had been living in that land, plead with Egypt to rescue them from the invading "Hibiru" (undoubtedly Hebrew), who had only recently appeared, and were flooding into their country and slaughtering them, just like the Bible says began happening 40-50 years after the exodus. Furthermore, it's evident that those Canaanites had their own language, and most obviously could not have been able to give the Greeks the Hebrew alphabet until after they themselves would've encountered it, as they were being almost completely eradicated from the land.
I could continue on for some time but I must sleep. Sorry. I'll be able to get back for any questions though.
Thanks for sharing. Fascinating stuff
So curious question, there were non israelites who went out with moses from Egypt as you've said, any other particular figure or group that went out and form a new nation?
very interesting
@@rociblanco5695
Well... no... I didn't say there were non- Israelites that left Egypt with Moses. The men I spoke of were all actual Israelites.
However, there were indeed others that left Egypt at the same time as him, as recorded by scripture, the so called "mixed multitude". I'm pretty sure that's the only time they're ever mentioned though, and the only name they're given there, so we'll never know exactly who they were. We do know they were gone by a certain point in the wilderness, where Moses numbers the children of Israel and essentially gives them their military marching/ traveling, formation around the tabernacle, and they certainly aren't mentioned as going into the promised land with Israel. The assumption is that, seeing as how they were a mixed multitude, they had no cohesion amongst one another, and likely scattered individually back to where each was from.
@@aaronperry5138 I appreciate the response, thank you!
"The Exodus Revealed: Search for the Red Sea Crossing" is a fascinating dvd on the exploration of a team headed by a medical doctor who seem to have validated the Red Sea crossing at the time of Moses. It's highly recommended.
Bill Crofut
the reed sea
No. Red Sea, eastern fork.
It's odd that virtually the entire archaeological community, including Israeli archaeologists, have not "validated" this, but a medical doctor, with no expertise in the field, has. The problem with this kind of inquiry is that it seeks to confirm belief: it begs the question. You believe something, then you try to make the facts fit that belief. It is not how intellectually honest inquiry and research works: that works the other way round.
Also, adults don't do research via DVDs. They publish papers on their discovery, outlining methodologies that peers can test and query.
@@thekatarnalchemist down set wind
@@burntgod7165Thank you for saying this!
It wasn't Ramses during the exodus. They've dated the exodus to around 1466 BC, and Ramses ruled from 1279-1213 BC. The exodus pharaoh was most likely Thutmose III.
I just recently watched a RUclips video about a man by the name of Ron Wyatt, who him and his sons actually discovered where the Exodus crossed the Red Sea, they’ve literally found ancient Egyptian chariots and human bones on the floor of the sea. Not only that, but also found the actual spot where Moses spoke with God on the mountain, and the spot where Moses split the rock with his staff so that God could provide water for the people.
This video also talked about how they found Noah’s Ark and were able to prove the structure was built by human hands, as the metals used in the building of the structure found contained metals like aluminum.
And while aluminum does occur naturally it does not naturally occur in metal form.
These “stories” in the Bible are so very important to us because it is the Living word of God. It does not surprise me that there are people who then and now work diligently to disprove the truth, or work to hide or cover up the truth. And that can only stem from one place, or being, the devil himself.
I fully believe we are living in the end times. The world is experiencing so much evil and division, and so many of the end times prophecies are coming true.
We must all pray for eachother and help one another to see and bring as many to Jesus as possible. It is our duty.
All debunked, research a bit further than the RUclips video.
Yeah, except there’s real video of Egyptian chariot wheels etc on the bottom of the Red Sea 🤷♂️.
I guess when the Egyptians wore out their chariots they just dumped them in the Red Sea lol
The claims of Ron Wyatt have been completely refuted by dedicated godly Christians. Wyatt is not considered to be a reliable source of information and has absolutely no respect by Christian archaeologists, Christian Old and New Testament Scholars and Christian historians, as a result of his unreliable claims. I can give you documentation for these statements if you wish.
Many Christians consider him to be a con-man, who made up his stories for fame and money. He did receive a lot of money from supporters. I found it disturbing that he "cherry picked" from the Bible using text that supported his claims but ignoring text that contested his claims. It is apparent that his followers did not know the scriptures well enough to know the difference and are not aware of places where the Scriptures refute his claims.
I am familiar with the things you mention in your comments, but there is no evidence to support the authenticity of those claims. Much of it is misinterpreted ideas from his own imagination. It is really sad that people like Wyatt exist that take advantage of naive, gullible Christians, but also very disappointing that Christians exhibit such poor skills of discernment that they fall for silver tongue talkers, that tickled their ears with fables.
Do a little research with an open mind and it will not be hard to find evidence that Wyatt's claims are spurious. It you have problems conducting objective research and want to know he truth of the matter, I would be glad to help you.
Be Well, DZ
@@michaelprue9024Maybe Ron should have told the Christian archaeologists where he discovered this.
Ron has a tendency to claim things but never let anyone actually see his discoveries with their own eyes.
I found the table jesus ate at. No... you can't see it... but its conclusive evidence.
Word of God is completely true
Why didn't God know the Earth was round?😂😂😂
So you began by hypothetically pointing out egyptions didn’t record exodus like for real ,you were there or something !!!! Like they record exactly the hyksos with details how they conquered egypt for hundreds of years which were before mosos but not moses with the top and best miracles in the world !!!😅😅😅
Mind blown! Great topic, would love to see more!
Only pea brains this happens too
He can save a lot time and say that the Exodus and the existence of so many Israelites in Egypt in that time period can't be historically demonstrated - it can only be believed through faith.
Na man. There is a lot more evidence out there that points to the exodus. It’s actually shocking.
You aren't paying attention. He's respondibg ti arguments that the Exodus has been disproven.
So if you stand on one foot, tilt your head, and squint your eyes in a very dark room, then you can trick yourself into believing that the bible has evidence and isn't completely worthless. lol.
haha
Wow! Thanks for sharing your feelings bud.
@@ZaVic12 you're welcome Sir
God is someone, glad to know Him and He knowing me. Obedience, shows we love Him. What great findings!! Definitely ignites my flame!
Lol God does know any nation outside of Israel, show me where he says Esau knows him.
@@PathtoYahawah what
@@Hoe-numan5 You have a problem with reading and comprehension? What I wrote is plain and simple to read God does not know any other Nation other than Israelites. He gave the Laws and Statutes to us only and none of you can show me where he says he knows all nations, there is no private interpretation with the Father and he only sent his prophets through Israelites.
@@PathtoYahawah there is mention of Egypt and Babylon etc
@@Hoe-numan5 Ok, what does that have to do with what I said? Yahawah/God only Knows Israelites he gave them the Laws and Statutes for us to learn and master then for us to teach the world. Egyptians Believe in multiple gods they do not believe in Yahawah despite the event of Exodus. Babylon the same thing They had multiple gods Yahawah did not deal with those people outside of afflictions he out on them or blessing he gave to them only due to us turning away from him.
I watched The Ten Commandments and at the end of the film I said, "What a fantastic film." Then God replied by saying, "None of it happened." I'll go by what God told me.
That wasn't God speaking to you, it was your own ego. The Exodus happened just the way it was described in the Bible but at the end of the 13th Dynasty at the end of the Middle Kingdom under Pharaoh Dudimose not the New Kingdom under Ramasses II.
Exodus is nothing but a fanciful tale. They never kept jews en masse as slaves. The egyptians did not discriminate when it came to slavery, they took anyone regarldess of what they looked like, where they came from or what they believed in. And Exodus doesnt even mention which pharaoh was in power when this was sjpposed to have happened, they just call him Pharaoh as if that was his name.
How the jews describe the egyptians is how most other cultural scribes described them because it was common knowledge what they were like. To be able to describe a culture does not mean that you've had any personal interaction with them; most people of the western world can give a fairly accurate picture of what americans are like without ever having met one due to how widely known american culture has spread in the world and the same was true for all major powerful cultures like the romans, the greek, the macedonians and the egyptians.
The entirety of Exodus is nothing but a fairytale.
In addition to chariot wheels and axles found at the bottom of the Red Sea, there are horse leg bones and gold inlaid chariot wheels with no sea growth on them.
When I search for this it seems to be debunked, it literally has no evidence.
That was debunked in 2015. Stop spreading misinformation.
Yet the discoverer won't let Christian archaeologists know where this discovery, or any of his discoveries, are. Ron wyatt is a fraud according to archaeologists who want to find evidence of Moses and other key Christian stories.
Very insightful and intelligent dialogue. The transcendent truth of the Bible continually verifies it's very self. Good job gentlemen! 👏 Bravo.