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Obama, Trump and Biden Rank Mass Effect Andromeda Characters
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2023
- For the love of god, just delay the game if it's not finished.
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The original human pathfinder team that Alec assembelled is really something - Sara and Scott that never really saw any combat and all they had going for them was nepotism, Liam - some ex-cop, Cora the asari weeb and some randoms that resigned after landing on the first planet. Truly a force to be reckoned with
Technically cora was trained by asari comandos but yea.
I never actually thought about it like that. It's even more hilarious now.
Tbf in the first mass effect garrus was a rookie cop,tali had just started her pilgrimage and liara was just a researcher
@@MydasAU And they only got recruited by Shepard during the story because their jobs happened to coincide with the plotline. They weren't specifically recruited as the advance team for a huge undertaking like the initiative. Those no names who quit after 1 mission have no excuse for their incompetence either.
@@MydasAU As Lulu says, Shepard wasn't trying to recruit the best of the best(which you would think someone would want as the advance team for a colony mission to a new god damn galaxy). He was trying to recruit people who had important information to help catch Saren. It was only in ME2 where he was going after the best of the best, and there aren't any short-comings there. You have "Mysterious vigilante who has managed to survive pissing off the biggest merceny groups in lawless space", "Ex-STG scientist" "Human hyper biotic" "Krogan Warlord/Scientist"(Replaced by Grunt when your original recruit, O'Keer, is batshit and dies) "Highly skilled assassin" "Asari Justicar" and "Proven member of the ME1 crew". Of those Tali is the most iffy, but she still works.
Not counting the Cerberous duo or Legion who you don't actively seek out, or the two DLC characters. But even the later are proven badasses before being recruited.
I disagree that Joker’s willingness to die attempting to save the Normandy was random.
It seems fair to me that Joker would feel extremely attached to the original Normandy given his limited mobility and accomplishments with the ship. I imagine that willingly abandoning the Normandy would be like cutting off your legs after getting gold medals running in the Olympics.
I totally agree, and feel I should point out that both Joker and the Normandy are oddballs within the Alliance Navy.
For Joker it's his illness that makes him different, and he's always had to work extra hard to compensate for it and show that he's capable. The Normandy is, of course, the goddamn Normandy. It's a frigate that doesn't do the things frigates are supposed to do. It's joint human-turian built. It costs ten times as much as its counterparts, and because of all that, it too has a lot to prove to Alliance brass and its peers.
And on top of that, it's only once the two of these things come together that each reaches its full potential. It's a match made in heaven right, and I suspect it's the first time Joker has felt like he truly has a place in the Alliance.
Yes that comment pissed me off, a huge part of Joker's character is how he directly identifies his self worth with his skills as a pilot, some fates, are far worse than death.
Yes the normandy is an extremely unconventional ship that requires a lot of skill to use and joker despite his handicaps proved he was the man for the job of course he'd be attached to the job.
I agree completely and would add it's not unusual for officers throughout history to become attached to ships in the first place, even before we count his special circumstances.
Especially after EDI became a part of it's inner frame work. The Normandy was his baby, he loved it more than most.
Vetra was my personal favorite. Her romance was very sweet and as an older sibling I very much related to her story. Plus awkward romantic turian is a W combo.
They (Bioware) tends to write Turians to be awkward when being romantic. This does make sense though due to their hierarchical and militaristic culture. Vulnerability is not something they actively encourage. Since love requires vulnerability it's always fun to watch the characters come out of their shell.
Agreed, she’s definitely the “Tali” of Andromeda.
@@r.e.z9428She's got reach and flexibility.
I romance Vetra for three things. One: she’s romantically awkward. Two: She’s a Tall Girl. Three: She carries big Guns.
In conclusion. MEGA W Romance.
Based and sound logic
4: She's a Turian. If there's one thing Mass Effect taught us it's that spikes are hot.
She’s like if Tali and Garrus fused.
Kalo better than Joker as a pilot? Nah Fam.. Brittle Bones > Salarian Brains
"A game that came out and bombed, due to development hell and being abandoned."
Sounds like another bioware game that had incredible potential.....
Seriously, the game feel is high-B to low-A tier, though the aiming doesn’t feel right and the powers are weak as fuck as the game goes on. The writing is trash, and there’s few memorable moments. I’ve beat them all, and I’m going back through the series right now and just got to Andromeda. I remembered the OG trilogy almost perfectly and could drop every story beat on demand, I couldn’t even remember your character’s title in Andromeda.
I could write a dissertation on how Liam is the worst squadmate in all of Mass Effect.
Couldn't stand the preachy, incompetent clown.
Did you forgot that Jacob exist? The only Squadmate ever that cheats on you if you Romance him for whatever reason? That has the worst Ideas ever?
@@pascalheinrich3990 While Jacob was the worst squadmate romance, he at least never put the mission and millions of lives at stake because of his arrogant incompetence.
@@caspringer09 no but bis Ideas would either efectively kill anyone in the suicide Mission or at least himselve. He has only shit takes depending Legion and is an Asshole to Thane and Tali (hopefully unintentional or I strangle him).
@@caspringer09 My brother in christ you forgetting him volunteering to jump in the tunnel without any tech knowledge? He fails to get that door open Shepherd and all of team 1 are dead dooming the galaxy. Frankly should have been a game over ending if you chose him as well.
Trump: "Ya know, and let me cook here, female krogan? Not too bad."
Obama: "AYO WHAT???"
Damn, I finally agree with Trump on something. XD
Of course somebody who dislikes Trump is a fucking furry or scaly or whatever
Came in expecting them to rip on it. Having so much even-handedness and positivity about Andromeda was nice, great video.
I love how they're always pointing out 'if we got another one, they'd be better'
Cuz I see so many people pointing out 'but the decisions don't impact'
Go play ME 1 or ME 2
How many of the choices ACTUALLY change anything in that game?
Save/Kill the Rachni.
Never mentioned after the council talk after the mission
Anderson punch Udina or Go to the tower:
He gets shot, but gets better. Or punches a guy. Never mentioned again.
A lot of the choices could have big impacts if it had a 2nd one. But dont have time to come back
Vetra's romance bumped her to S tier for me. Or at the very least A-tier. Seeing her warm up to the idea of Ryder's interest in her was endearing and heartwarming and could be seen clearly with emails to Ryder as she starts to write more intimately as the romance develops. And if I can't get a Quarian babe to fill that Tali-shaped hole in my Mass Effect heart then a Turian one will have to do.
Agreed king, Vetra was mega. Even purely on squadmate level I really liked her.
That last sentence was so eloquently put *chefs kiss*
And let’s just remember, they killed supporting this game to make the garbage fire that was anthem
I do not like Liam.
He is very judgmental and only survives due to pure luck.
I was on voeld with Vetra and Liam assending the mountain and Liam opened his god damn mouth about Vetra bringing Sid to Andromeda. It honestly left me speechless. I immediately turned around and got someone else.
And while Liam is good natured, he is simply the type of person who should follwo and help, not Lead. He only survives his loyality mission on complete luck, for something that could have been easily planned out in advance.
And the game never really gives me the chance to cuss him out. So for me hes D-Tier. Hell...id rather have Jacob. At least Jacob can follow orders and Lead.
You actually can talk shit to him in the end of his loyalty mission. Basically a “wtf were you thinking you idiot?” And also get the chance to double down on it. Probably the one time I actually felt like Ryder was the leader of the tempest crew, and was serious.
@titan20111 I vaguely remember that option but on my first playthrough I was far more lenient with him. It wasn't until my failed 2nd or 3rd playthrough and while on Voeld that my hatred of his BS came into the light.
Ryder does lack that leadership tendency with being able to cuss them out or sit down with someone and explain what they did was screwed. But idk how much of that is me being too casual/emotional in the dialog options.
I dumped the humans first chance I got when I recruit Vetra and Drack bringing them everywhere to become the Garrus and Wrex 2.0
The turian and krogan combination is not only charming, it also kicks ass. A shame ME3 was kroganless.
Cora had a lot of potential, I wanted to hear more about her childhood and growing up with crazy strong biotics(I’m a jack simp clearly) and I didn’t want to hear about the asari for the millionth time. But I have to admit, I like her personality overall, she is super professional and serious which balances well with the other squad-mates who are no where near as serious. Bringing Cora and Peebee on missions will always be hilarious. W romance scene by the way lol 😂
Jack simp? Yuck. Jack is one of the most unlikable Squadmates from the entire Mass Effect trilogy. She has basically no character development in ME2 and even though she's far superior in ME3, all the change happened off camera.
@@Acidica18 Have you actually romanced Jack as a paragon? To say she has no character development is absurd. Character development doesn't mean she has to immediately change who she is, character development is about the audience getting to know a character in depth, which we definitely do with Jack. And then her character progresses in ME3.
@ShepherdAlpha Personally, I think she's still pretty good even if you don't romance her, but she is definitely better if you do. To be fair, however, that's true of pretty much everyone not named Jacob.
Honestly though, if you actually talk to her post-Asari Ark she really changes her tune. She admits her failings in idolizing the Asari and realizes they are "saints and sinners" just like humans. After that she never really mentions them again, it's actually a really nice character arc that few even know exists let alone acknowledge. Her personality was supposed to be grating because even she learns how much it bothers other people that she won't shut the fuck up about the Asari huntresses.
I really wanted to learn more about her but after the 50th mention of my dad, and the 60th mention of the asari, *in our second fucking conversation.* Id already had given up and never spoke to her again outside of mandatory quest interactions.
The exclusion of some of the “less important” races was a bummer. It would’ve been neat to see a Quarian perspective to coming to Andromeda, considering their duty to the Migrant Fleet and wanting to one day take Rannoch back. These Quarians would’ve never seen their home-world taken back in ME3 either, so the perspectives they’d have would’ve been really interesting to hear. Sad that bioware had to fumble the bag on this one, because Andromeda really does have an interesting framework story-wise, it’s just not executed very well.
I’m surprised Zaeed’s son isn’t in the list
Fun character then again His dad was a favorite of mine
I am sorry but it makes sense why Joker is attached to the SR1. He gets sacked by the S.A when the SR1 gets destroyed because they really didn't see him as useful. In his comic tie in before ME1 starts he was just a shuttle pilot that was being mocked by a Turian general for the S.A having a man with brittle bone diease. However when Joker steals the SR1 due to taking out the original SR1 pilot he does all the obstical courses while being fired at by S.A fighters. At the end of the comic book he was going to get in a lot of trouble when the Turian general spoke up for him having been impressed on how Joker performed and accomplished his task despite his weaknesses. Jokers love for the Normandy is much more understandable as he is not able to do much else due to his liability of getting hurt other than mundane task in which he joined Cerberus willingly due to them seeing his skills. Though come on man comparing the Salarian Pilot is unfair to joker due to ME2 ending when Joker comes out giving Shepard ans co covering fire despite how dangerous it is.
About Ryder and Shepard part: I disagree. Shepard is mocked and treated like dirt by government officals and aliens alike due to your back ground and who you choose to support. While Ryder "earns" their way because SAM is what makes Ryder useful, Shepard has fought and sacrificed way more people than Ryder dare to hope just in ME1 if we compare them and not ME2 and ME3
"Ryder loses his dad but mom is alive"
"Shepard in ME1 can lose his entire squad in Sole Suvivor Background, has to leave a squadmate behind on virmire while also possibily getting Kirrahe and his squad killed. Has to shoot wrex if they didn't bother to get to know or really take helping wrex seriously who was betrayed by his own dad and has trust issues as a result. Shepard has to make a choice to sacrifice human lives or alien lives to save the galaxy and if they chose to save the Council in ME2 Shepard remebers all the ship names that died saving the Council."
Ryder got a free ride who while makes some "tough" choices are on a way smaller scale. Even when Ryder learns that their father died there is no true emotion even when their father dies, yet Shepard if Kaiden or Ash dies is sulking off and needed emotional support.
To summarize: Ryder is a boring hormornal young adult who's entire purpose relied upon their dad dying to get an A.I who does everything for them and even worse when neither Ryder's have seen combat prior. Where as Shepard be it an orphan, colonist, or born into a military family made a name for themselves despite how hard the N7 program is, doing insaine feats to get the N7 offical rank. Yes we should note Alec Ryder is the reason why they never were well treated but that never stopped Ashley Williams and her dad from pushing themsleves past thr S.A's bias due to her grandfather being the one to surrender Shanxi to the Turians even though we know outside of the games story her grandfather was ordered by the Alliance to flee Shanxi.
The reason Joker was grounded was because he wouldn't exit the Normandy, causing Shepard to be spaced. If Shepard doesn't die, he likely would've been reassigned to another one of Shepard ships that he inevitably would've gotten.
We know what Joker did to fly the Normandy, but we don't know why he fell in love with it. He has no history with the ship prior to his joyride with it. On the other hand, we know from start to finish Kallo's entire emotional investment in the Tempest.
Also the comparison is not about Joker and Kallo in their entirety, rather specifically to their relationships to the SR1 and the Tempest.
As for Shepard and Ryder, there's no debate. Shepard with a special N7 Soldier and proven war hero no matter the background you choose. They are already well established in the galaxy with numerous individuals from Barla Von, Wrex, and the Citadel Council already being well aware of them and treating them with the respect their allocates require.
And what I mean here is that Shepard is a pre-established character with history, you only connect with them so much. Shepard is already legendary before you even finish making your character.
Ryder, relatively, has no history, no reputation, and no titles worth anything. They are a blank slate.
You, as the player, adopt Shepard's legend. Where with Ryder you would be building their legend in Andromeda.
Ryder, on the other hand, is a nobody. They're just Alec Ryder's child who isn't trusted as the Pathfinder (Addison says this to their face), and Tann won't officially sanction Ryder's work in case they fail on Eos.
Just compare how Wrex views Shepard and how Drack views Ryder when they meet. Wrex is respectful, even granting Shepard the title of a warrior and grants them fair warning about Fist. Wrex also immediately joins with Shepard.
Drack, on the other hand, scoffs at Ryder. Referring to them as a kid, who he doesn't trust, and he looks down on them claiming to "Not want to carry humans". Drack turns down your initial request to join up, only coming around after seeing Ryder in combat.
Also narratively, SAM is to Ryder as the Protean Beacon is to Shepard. Without that Beacon Shepard could never stop Sovereign, just as Ryder wouldn't be able to interact with remnant tech without SAM.
You're mistaking the poor facial animations for lack of emotion, there are more than a few voice lines for you to pick the convey Ryder's grief at Alec's death.
This morning I was just thinking on rewatching the previous Mass Effect videos you've done and now there's a new one 😂
Great video as always 💪🏻
Yeah gotra hard disagree on my boys Joker take here. The dude was a crippled with no worth most of his life and he fought and scraped hard to be put at the helm of the most advanced ship in the galaxy. Not to mention he literally used it to save the galaxy and deal the final blow to the biggest bad of all time. I never once questioned why Joker loved rhe Normandy and subsequently why he was willing to join Cerberus
Reyes in F tier? He was the best side character in the game. Bro is charismatic and fun and has good chemistry with Ryder. I feel like Ryder had more interactions with him than some of his crew members.
I will be honest, I think delaying this game wouldn't fix that much. Considering that delaying wouldn't fix main villain story (and boss fight) and wouldn't solve overall issue where humanity once again is saving the day. Also I personally hate how Cora has the same last name as Illusive man but isn't connected to him in any way (which could be easily explained by being the "strongest" biotic). Additionally if Cerberus was more "connected" to initiative and using Citadel DLC explanation we could have possibility of evil Shepard, loyal to Cerberus.
And I would prefer if both siblings were active teammates similar to Dragon Age 2 siblings. In this situation and with enough time for writers we could have possibility where other sibling is doing romance options in the background, something similar to Garrus and Tali in ME3 if we don't romance them.
If they were gonna do the background romance there would need to be some player control because it would be really obnoxious if the player's sibling started dating someone the player didn't like.
Also, I'd like to add that I'm still mad that Bethany is Hawke's sister when she is clearly the best girl in the game. Isabella being the only female human romance is such a bummer because of how much of a slattern she is. Thankfully, Merrill is a sweetheart, but elves just look a little weird to me in DA2.
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle I dunno, personally I rarely dislike characters, even characters like Jacob.
Also I would see this working something like this, sibling waiting until player block all other romance option + inspired by Undertale "The fun value" mechanic which in MEA would dictate which romance option sibling would pursue.
@@nieznajomy4398 But some people will dislike characters. Most people don't have interest in the gay romances, but they put them in anyway for people who do have interest in it.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer my sister didn't start banging Liam or some alien. That would be tremendously cucked.
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle Possibly, personally I don't mind. And I would argue it would give additional aspect of multiple playthroughs and element of uncontrollability that we as a player can't control everything. + there definitely would be mods or instructions how change sibling romance.
@@nieznajomy4398 It's an RPG, controllability is the whole point.
I love these videos so much. So well written! S tier content 👍
Andromeda does alot to remind me of the ME1, it lays a solid foundation that had a world of potential to build upon. None of ME1's loyalty missions were anything special and characters like Tali and Garrus weren't essential fan favorites till ME2. Had Mass Effect Andromeda 2 had a chance it had a genuinine chance to stand alongside the OGT while elevating characters like Drack, PB, and personally speaking Suvi my wife to the same level as the ME2/3 cast. I refuse to accept any slander of the combat either as those Kett bases are always great fun to assault.
Glad that Andromeda continued the Mass Effect tradition of having dogshit to mid human squadmates. It takes some going to be more annoying than Jacob, but Liam takes the biscuit
I'm glad you did the andromeda characters. I wouldn't count andromeda out just yet. They teased the galaxy being a part of the next game in the initial teaser.
The new Mass Effect will be a sequel to both the trilogy AND Andromeda, so we will continue these stories.
I agree, it would be unfair to rank Andromeda against Mass Effect Games.
I think it is unfair to rank it against full trilogy, but fine when ranked against ME1 in vacuum
Been a fan of Andromeda since day 1. Replayed it almost as many times as the trilogy. Looking forward to more of the entire franchise in general.
James>Liam>Jacob. I think the only thing that puts James above Liam is being slightly less annoying, Freddie Prince Jr.‘s performance, and being another person for Shepard to mentor. Mass Effect 2 didn’t really have anyone with a traditional mentor relationship, as Garrus had become his own person.
One could argue that Grunt, and hell, maybe even Jack were the "mentor relationship" squadmates of ME:2
@@TacoLoverPersonI’ve never realized but Shepard totally indirectly mentors Jack. Especially with what her character becomes in ME3. I always saw Shepard/Grunt as a parental type of relationship lmao
Also there have been some hints that the next Mass Effect game might take place in both Andromeda and the milkyway galaxies in fact before the Andromeda game released we had a pre game which introduced us to jian garson and also hinted at a pathfinder's other important mission not only to find a home for everyone from the milky way in Andromeda but also to find a faster path between the two galaxies to allow trade between Andromeda and the milkyway and also to allow possibly others who wish to move to those planets we settled
Andromeda, after all the patches, is an OK game, not awful but not great either. Overall it improved a lot from the triilogy systemwise but when it come to characters and story it's quite bland.
I do wish we could get a sequel since it has a lot of potential, but that seems like very unlikely now.
I am incredibly offended on Joker's behalf! "Joker risking his life to die with the Normandy never really made sense" - in what universe does it not make sense? He is one of the best pilots humanity has to offer, who had to overcome his disability and physical limitation to become who he is, and he became good enough to fly one of the most unique and innovative ships in the galaxy - the Normandy. The captain of the ship may give the orders, but the pilot is responsible for carrying them out successfully and thus responsible for everyone on board. When collectors attacked Joker tried to do what he could, even though the first Normandy was no match for the advanced collector ship. Do you think he was supposed to give up without doing everything he could to save the crewmembers on board? Joker is an amazing character who had to overcome a lot and never quit fighting, which puts him head and shoulders above absolutely any character in Andromeda.
Few things.
Joker is in fact the best pilot in the galaxy, but that's all the more reason for him to leave. He has the reputation necessary to helm any ship he wants by Mass Effect 2. (Joker killed a Reaper) he doesn't need the Normandy specifically. Joker's connection makes less sense than Kallo's because Kallo doesn't just fly the ship, he helped build it, helped practice test it, and has still vivid memories of working it with all his old collegues.
By the time Shepard makes it to Joker, anyone who made it off the SR1 alive was long gone, there wasn't anybody else besides Shepard to keep the ship up for. (Also given his disability Joker should have been the first person on an escape shuttle) He stayed because, and these are his own words, "No, I won't abandon the Normandy! I can still save her". he wasn't saving crew members, he was trying to save a sinking ship.
Last, Joker himself immediately recognized what he was doing is stupid the instant Shepard speaks to him. He lost his mind in that moment for no other reason than because the narrative needed Shepard to die.
This is not a critique of Joker's character, rather the specific events at the beginning of Mass Effect 2.
As someone who got into the OGT because of Andromeda and fell for Jaal hook, line and sinker, it was nice to hear actually unbiased opinions 2:46
That Salarian Director in F tier sounds like a decently written character designed to be hated, rather than a badly written one deserving of F. Without any further knowledge other than the vid though I could be dead wrong.
Tann's motivations were at least well reasoned, and I don't begrudge anyone having a prejudice against the Krogan. We as players often forget that Wrex, Grunt, Bakara, Drack and Kesh are outliers amongst their people. Most Krogan are incomplex and brutish. Even in Andromeda there are some untrustworthy Krogan. Besides, Tann still ultimately wants the same things you want. He's just a stodgy bureaucrat in a position he wasn't prepared for. He had more depth than most non-squadmate characters, even if he is a douche. B tier for being a decent foil to the protagonist.
@@AlphonseSwedgen See that to me sounds far more well reasoned than just "F 'cause I don't like'em." We as the player are not supposed to like every character, just as well written NPCs won't either.
Most sane review of Mass Effect Andromeda squadmates. I like that
god the volume is...kinda off on this one. might wanna turn up that upload sound, fam
I was a new airline captain when I was playing andromeda, so I could empathize with Ryder being new to authority, but with a responsibility to succeed.
Lol she is essentially the daughter of Jack Harper a.k.a the elusive man. Or at least that is what I have heard from fans of the Andromeda game which makes as much sense as Vetra being Saren's daughter
I never understood the hate for Andromeda because I only played it years after its release after most of the bugs had been fixed, so I never experienced how bad it was at release. It really captured the feeling of excitement and exploration that ME1 gave me on my first play-though of it, but with the superior gameplay of the later mass effect games. Easily an A tier game in its current state imo.
It's still mid as balls compared to the main trilogy. It feels less like Mass Effect and more like No Man's Sky with an actual story.
I just finished it for the first time last night, and I still had a good handful of bugs 😕. Not sure if maybe playing the console version vs the pc version makes a difference maybe?
Suvi was easily one of my favorite characters in the game when I played it but that’s admittedly due to the accent, same reason Cait in Fallout 4 (who has the same voice actress) was one of my favorite characters in that game.
I really liked Andromeda. True, they're not as fleshed out as some of the others, but the gameplay was very entertaining. And the dialog wasn't as bad as people made it out to be.
I’m surprised “Trump”, (who’s mother was Scottish), mistook Suvi’s Scottish accent for Irish. Her voice actor (& face model) is Katy Townsend, who’s IMDb entry states “'Cheeky Scot' Katy Townsend hails from Glasgow…”. According to the Samurai Gamers site: “Suvi is a Finnish name which means “Summer,” and Anwar is an Arabic name. Since in the Mass Effect universe the lines that separate humanity’s different ethnicities and nationalities are to a certain extent blurred, a redheaded Scotswoman with a Finnish given name and an Arabic last name isn’t that far out there.” Incidentally, I’m English, but I can (usually) tell the difference between a Scottish and an Irish accent, (if not necessarily a Glaswegian from any other Scottish accent). I’d just add that I’d agree with “Biden” about how adorable Suvi’s accent is, (if surprised that with his own Irish roots he didn’t pick Trump up for misidentifying Suvi’s Scottishness).
Biden is as Irish as he is Chinese. All English accents should be cockney tip tip guv’nah
Damn the ending was kinda unexpected.
Love these guys, I've been through all their tierlists and the endings video, subscribed. I've already stated that this is like the only use case for AI that I can really agree with, making them say based shit like this.
Where is the Angara AI? I love her and i wanted her to become the Sam of the non pathfinder Ryder sibling.
I find the geth the most intriguing in the artwork as this would suggest this is after the control ending, or possibly a large amount of geth survived in secure bunkers from the red blast which could be a reason for having them around if its destroy ending.
Also the turian with the eye piece could be any turian, though garrus is the only one we've seen with this piece, vetra had her own eye visor socits likely this is a common tech wear. Though its fune to think its garrus.
I just hope we fet to see quarians return and have a quarian for a squad mate. Also the return of Blasto!
Quarian romance 🦆
Another S tier video from Prime!
While I disagree with alot more on this list than the previous ones, I can't fault alot of the points made. Maybe if there were sequel ghames that expanded on things like with the trilogy some of my gripes with the game could have been looked at more fondly in retrospect. While I definitely dislike Andromeda compared to the trilogy, I also think that it deserved to have a sequel or DLCs and that the short term decision from Bioware to remove any developement of that just to quell people's dissatisfaction in the moment was probably the decision that put Mass Effect as a franchise in the grave. Ever since we've been left with this limbo state of uncertainty and if the upcoming game isn't truly amazing, then i fear that might just be the death of the series for good as it gets cut completely.
Nice list, but what about the other pathfinders?
Any chance for Dragon Age mission/character lists?
Was the “45th playthrough” line a reference to his’ being the 45th president?😂
SAM is the tier list placement I disagree hardest on. The concept of a limited AI being symbiotic with biological life is a great concept that Andromeda explores quite a bit in just the one game. SAM may not have a complete character arc but his engagement with Ryder was one of my favourite sub plots in the game.
We didnt get a class and weapons rating video for andromeda.
Reyes is A tier for me lol I found him the most interesting side character in the series especially when the twist was revealed. I loved the Kadara side-storyline & it's a shame it doesn't get brought up again.
I guess the problem with Andromeda never explaining the Nexus uprising well is that Sloane has a really interesting story during the Uprising and the only way anyone would know is by buying the novel. All 3 andromeda novels really help elevate the story in general(first one about the uprising, second one about Cora and the third about the Quarian ark). Reason u say it’s a shame is that if it was part of the game then something like this list would probably have Cora and Sloane higher instead of just throw away lines.
Still love the game and think it’s overhated and hope ME5 has some references about Andromeda instead of completely ignoring it but I can understand why some people didn’t like it(only if their complaints wasn’t focused on the facial issues)
I don't like the style of writing. It feels like the citadel dlc. Dragon age inquisition was the starting point.
This actually made me wanna play the game again
For the next trick up your sleave, how about a video of The three presidents trying to out sing and dance each other to Will Ferrel's "Happy" song. 😂
It's me I'm back
I decided to watch the video
Still haven't played Andromeda but the videos are funny
Love the vid but drack and wrex are around the same age drack just looks and seems older cause of all the cybernetics.
Remember we don’t actually know if a krogan can die of old age cause no one’s ever seen it happen and I believe wrex was indeed alive during the krogan rebellions which means they’re around the same age so wrex still the krogan goat
My biggest issue with the squad mates is there is nothing dynamic about them. You can seemingly fail there loyalty mission but they'll still trust you, like you did everything correctly. Like you could just leave Zaeed to die, or screw up Tali's trial. Fail to fix the argument between Jack and Miranda. Wrex could die in the original game and Kaeden/Ashley had to die. You could just not recruit half the cast of ME1. Stuff like that made the game feel alive. While most players would get it correct the fact you can screw up that badly adds replay value and stakes to your choices. Which Andromeda rarely succeeds in. Even in minor stuff.
They are fun sometimes I like our pilot duo gives me shades of Joker and EDI without being a copy of either. Just even in a first game they lack meaningful choices that effect them in this game. Maybe some of these things would come up later but we'll never know.
I played it after the patches so didn't see a lot of the technical issues Andromeda had. It was a fine game, but not great. I think the unfinished nature of the story keeps me from attempting a replay. It'd be nice if they'd finish it off either with another game or even a large DLC even if it's a bit late for it.
Havent played Andromeda, wont stop me from emjoying the video
What, no Pyjak?
Crazy how Bioware went 3 for 3 with Krogan squad mates.
I hope the quarians return in the next mass effect I suspect they will considering the geth will be returning
I mean it wouldn’t make any sense if the geth returned without the quarians considering the destroy ending kills all synthetics so the quarians would have to be around to fix or recreate them
What about the massive effect vehicles and ships
0:34 Absolute facts right here
I had crush on SAM and was a little bit disappointed that he can't be romanced. And I know how it sounds but BioWare pulled this off once already!
Ryder was so much more enjoyable than shep to me
I played the game a few years ago and I literally don't remember any of these except Vetra. Great characters I guess....
I will admit I liked Andromeda. So much lost potential. If only we'd gotten what we were shown in that first reveal trailer. But, I will agree, because of that it's a one and done. I ended up playing it enough that my Ryder had learned every skill. But New Game plus was the only reason I played it more than once.
No shit this is one of the funniest series I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching!
Put Peebee in a f**king airlock. She and Liam can hold each other while dealing with the vacuum of space.
There's really only 4 aspects of Andromeda that I enjoyed. Vetra Nyx & Vetra Nyx's Romance, and Peebee, & Peebee's loyalty mission.
No way you'll read this, but Suvi is Scottish (like trump's mom) not irish
Game pass, I played the first two missions free got pissed off at the game and uninstalled.
Surprised me after the fact a game has never pissed me off so bad that I uninstalled by impulse.
I think the thing that really bothers me when I replay Andromeda (every 14-16 months or so, not often) is the sentence structure. Half of the dialogue is like it was written by someone with such severe ADHD they literally cannot finish a sentence. This is not how real people talk. You can't just say 4 or 5 words that have vaguely similar meanings to the 10-15 word sentence you were trying to say and expect people to get it. And I often don't. I find myself still trying to decrypt the last sentence halfway through the next one. Subtitles help, since I can read faster than the VAs speak, but it's still just really, REALLY odd writing.
And no, I don't just mean Peebee. Liam, Cora, Jaal, and a few of the others have this same problem. Drack is one of the select few whose sentences always seem to make sense, which is funny because, yanno, Krogan.
I would've preferred they set this game in " first-contact war" etc, dedicatedly completely based-around aliens.
Cora's story hits different when you're a veteran.
Reyes deserved higher than F, his romance is incredibly sweet and Sloan needs to die
Ngl
I haven't played Andromeda so I'm just gonna leave my like and go-
For what it's worth I recommend giving it a try. It's not amazing, but it's definitely enjoyable. While the plot is pretty bare bones, the character writing for most of the squadmates and a few additional NPCs is very good.
MEA was, "I came, I saw, I wanna go back."
@PrimeRadiancy frankly, Andromeda is actually....GOOD now. mostly due to the absolutely God Tier modding community, but they actually managed to patch and fix it into a playable and ENJOYABLE state.
Is it still jank? hell yeah. but it's MUCH better now.
KALLO IS AN AMAZING CHARACTER I LOVE HIM
ok listening to this makes me want to give andromeda 1 more try
Actually Wrex was about 1500 years old.
Can you imagine if the player was Alec Ryder instead of his kids? Now that would have been a game!
Just dropping in that you missed the Angara Avela Kjar. Though she is quite forgettable. She is the female Angara curator that you collect artifacts for and bring back to her. You can also romance her in the same vein as you can the reporter. Meaning you can romancer her and another actual squadmate. Not much to her though, and barely any personality. Hell, her wikipage is a womping two paragraphs long. I'd say D-Tier since I can't name a single characteristic of hers other than her love of her people's lost history. Her romance is also very much barebones with nothing really to it from what I remember. I'd give her an F but putting her with Tann just seems harsh so D it is for me.
I wouldn't even call her worthy of the list but she is romanceable. So Bioware thought there was something there for players to grow attached to. Idk what. I romanced her just for the trophy for romancing three different characters in the game and wondering if she'd give the Angara some depth. And as I recall, she did not.
I'll be completely honest, I didn't forget, I literally couldn't think of anything to have them say because as you said, her wiki is so short so I just cut her.
If I had a "Who Cares" tier like the previous tier list she probably would've gone there.
Keri is barely important too, but I had a joke to write with her acting as a mistress.
@@primeradiancy That’s completely fair.
You do realize they're not done with Andromeda right they're coming back in me5 or 4 as people like to call it
I definitely jumped on the hate train when the game first came out. IMO I still think it was well deserved, but I did get around to playing it a few years later after seeing it on sale. The story of this game is a total nothing burger not worthy of investing your time in, but if you mostly ignore it and treat it like Mass Effect: Slice of Life it surprisingly does manage to shine in some areas.
Standard to a Mass Effect game, your human crew (other than Suvi) is pretty boring and the aliens are the ones you want to interact with. This game would have been a total bust without good squadmates. For my experience, Peebee, Drack and Vetra carried the whole game on their shoulders. Don't know why people like Jaal. His voice and enunciation annoy the fuck out of me and the Angara are too goofy looking to take seriously, in my personal opinion.
Visually speaking, they actually did somewhat improve the facial animations above their initial meme-tier status at launch. Still, it's not great. The lighting clashes with a lot of the alien character models. Krogan and Salarians suffer from this particularly. Literally every Asari other than Peebee has the same durfy looking face model. It reeks of laziness, or being rushed. This game can be downright ugly at times.
In terms of gameplay, the gunplay is fun and fresh but the class system is dumbed down with swapping on the fly. Jump jets and combat verticality was a cool addition, nothing much to be said about that. Narrative-wise, the new dialogue template was a good idea, just poorly implemented. You're ultimately making the same choice worded differently 4 ways 90 percent of the time. Exploration is your typical bloated 2010's collectable fest, but at least your squad has banter this time around to break up the minutiae.
On the narrative front, I think this game shined most by focusing more on the characters than anything else. Unlike previous entries in Mass Effect, Andromeda took after Dragon Age in having your squad and crewmates' relationship and storyline with the player evolve over time instead of just one focal point mission. Each squad member has a pretty involved personal arc with multiple side events culminating in one big loyalty mission Mass Effect 2 style. And they continue in that vain even after it's completed. They all have something to say after a main mission is completed, giving you a reason to socialize. Now, a lot of this game's writing as pertains to dialogue is cringe, but you can forgive some of it if you treat the game as a more light-hearted adventure and don't take it too seriously. It even does manage to be genuinely funny sometimes, I'll admit. Surprisingly good effort, at least in this one area.
Romance was never a make or break thing for me when it comes to Bioware games, but I have to say that this game implemented them quite a step above the original trilogy in terms of their depth and involvement. Personally I went with Peebee because she was the only one whose personality reflected the more laid back attitude this game had. I was surprised at how in depth it actually was and enjoyed seeing it progress into something more serious and sappy. Sex scenes were pure cringe, though. All I could picture was some overweight, sweaty, hairy programmer beating his meat in the Bioware office when he made that shit. I mean God damn, leave something to the imagination...
All in all I'd say the game deserves maybe a 5 or 6 out of 10. If it had post launch support and some DLC, I'd generously bump it up to a 7. Learning about this game's troubled development and the fact that it was made mostly in the final 18 months before release, it's a decent effort that deserves more credit than it initially got, but I can't go any higher than that. Is it worth playing? Like Obama said, wait for it to go on sale and don't expect it to hold up to the originals. If you go into it expecting a pretty basic sci-fi adventure set in a pre-existing universe that just wants to give you a fun time, I think you might actually enjoy it.
Liam has the most touching romance too, taking all your journey and putting love behind each step-And he mentions wanting a family? The pathfinder having kids and a husband would be incredible.
I miss Liam and I hate that the sloppy writing hurt the chance he had at being seen as one of the best human companions.
100,000 not several thousand this was a bigger project than you realize
My b, as you can tell I'm not as familiar with Andromeda.
Honestly as someone who started with andromeda and only recently got to play the originals with the legendary edition
It’s not worth the buy in my opinion. Once you see how much better the original games were there’s just no going back
Honestly I dont think any of these characters belong above C tier. And Liam is absolutely F tier. The best I can say about the best characters is they are just ok
Yes! Putting PeeBee in particular anywhere above F tier, let alone A, is completely insane. I'm currently replaying the game and I've been perpetually cringing so hard that I'm pretty sure my face is going to be permanently stuck like that.
Suvi's accent is Scottish not Irish but good video :D
Drack makes Andromida the best game to ever be released
Liam is genuinely the best guy around.
-Sits on the hospital bed, so you don’t wake up from trauma alone (before it’s even romantic as he does this for male Ryder too)
-His entire hang out quests are about “how do I make this place livable not just survivable”
-He does community outreach and genuinely does addison’a job significantly better than she does.
-He is torn, someone who hadn’t found his place. Alec hired ONLY because he reminds Alec of himself, and Alec himself was discharged remember. Liam needed guidance but lost his guide. His mistakes are Alec’s fault too, for giving him this position out of bias. (Stated in the training videos)
-He is annoyih about his morals BUT he’s the only person who brings up how hard it is to leave the MW and realize everyone he loves is dead AND he ultimately makes peace with anyone he hurt, and he ends on being called a friend or even brother to everyone, even Vetra who he had the big fight with, and Drack who didn’t take him seriously at first.
Plus making the human companion and our newest alien best friends was a smart move, makes them both interesting and relatable.
Andromeda has a lot of wasted potential, but the gameplay was on top. One of the best shooter experiences I ever had.
Cora gave me such butch lesbian vibes, I was very surprised when I found out I couldn't romance her as Sara
Tann is the best though!
He doesn’t have a high sense of self worth, he questions his choices daily. His desire to seem linked to the Pathfinder is exclusively because he believes it will help the people as a whole.
Mind you, Tann works with Krogan before the rebellion Sloane begins.
And Addison and Kesh disliking him does nothing.
Addison, for still unknown reasons, literally hates Tann before he wakes up. Kesh directly says she doesn’t want a Salarian in charge and they try to convince some people not to wake him in Uprising.
Tann tells Addison not to launch a ship/mission. She goes behind his back and launches it. Everyone there dies. And Tann still tells the public that leadership messed up. He takes the fall. When Addison asks why he said “us being united is what they need.” He directly tells her she isn’t alone and takes the heat for her…
And then she immediately talks down to him in front of Ryder. She hates him ever since she learned he was ahead of her. Addison is sketchy and terrible.
Tann is a complex character but knowing his struggle and his internal monologue shows a LOT about him. He’s incredible, and definitely the most well written councilor like character.
4:49 you don’t have to have a one night stand with Peebee in order to initiate romance. You can reject the hookup but it doesn’t close off the romance