Niche Zero Coffee Grinder - Is it best at home or for use in a cafe?
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- In this video we take a look at the new Niche Zero Coffee Grinder and review what use it can have for the barista at home or in a cafe. The Niche grinder uses conical blades as opposed to flat burr and apparently retains or holds very little coffee in between grinds - 'ZERO' retention! Joel found the grinder could hold potential as a secondary grinder in a cafe to grind individual doses of single origin or decaf coffee for example.
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I've been using the Niche Zero for about 6 months. Recently, I received their new disk as well. I don't think there's a comparable machine on the market for single dosing. Especially for the price. The NZ is cleverly designed and beautifully constructed. It's very easy to use, to calibrate, and to clean. I think it's filling a huge hole in the prosumer market, for those of us who just make a few coffee drinks per day, and don't want beans to be sitting in a hopper, getting stale. I understand that for people looking for their quick coffee fix, this may not be the grinder of choice. But for me, some of the things that you mention, like the grinding taking a bit long, are nonissues. Frankly, if I were unhappy about the grinding taking, say, 20 seconds instead of 10 seconds, I'd be thinking that I should perhaps take up meditation and learn to chill.
I don't think the lack of hopper is really a great / new feature... I use a Vario for single dosing, just don't fill up the hopper with beans, simple! This basically doesn't give you the choice.
Thanks for your great review guys!
G day mates. Your content and videos are way past your microphone/audio quality.
You should up you audio game ASAP.
Agree....sounds like he is in a tunnel. I enjoyed the content, but the audio is so bad it made me want to turn off the review.
Appreciate your comment thank you and totally agree with you on our sound issues. Unfortunately we're great at coffee but novices with sound and some aspects of video. We really struggled with sound in that particular location and nearly didn't post the video at all. We'll keep working on it and hopefully make some improvements very soon :)
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters best/cheapest option is a Rode smartlav, plug it into your iphone and sync it in post, very quick and easy process and around $80 so might be in budget depending on things. The hard thing with your setup (which looks great) is that the on camera mic is too far away - would probably need to be more like 2 feet away - and the room has a lot of hard surfaces. Thanks for the great content and hope this helps.
Great review, especially the details on who would like the grinder. We are in the process of upgrading our home equipment and process after 15 years of old school espresso making. We have a plumbed in La Spaziale Vivaldi S1 V1 (that will be replaced with an LMLM in a week or two), a Baratza Vario, and a Super Jolly with the doser. We currently have half caf in the Vario and regular in the SJ, but we also like pour overs. At this stage, there is no easy way to switch grinds or beans without wasting a lot of coffee and time. We have also started weighing and timing grams in and out, which is difficult and often very wasteful on both grinders (though worse on the SJ, because it retains way too much and the doser throws ground coffee everywhere. After watching all of these reviews, we preordered a Niche Zero and plan to sell the other two grinders. Yes, weighing and doing single dose grinding takes longer, but after 15 years of making espresso and pour overs I don't see any other way to really get great coffee. I suppose if you buy stale beans or preground beans at the supermarket, it won't matter anyway. But if you are going to pay $15 for 12 ozs of freshly roasted beans, I suspect the Niche Zero will pay for itself in short order. The only question we have is whether it is best to try to get by with one or two Niche Zeros just to avoid noting and returning to the settings for each type of coffee.
Great to hear your upgrading. Try one niche, then you will find decade is a little finer. You can put a little bit of masking tape on to make the 2 setting. 👍🏻
Mine is in the mail- can’t wait to use it !
As a Home Barista who own a Mazzer Kony the only downside about kony is the retention. I think the nice zero is the perfect grinder for every home barista with its kony like grind quality but with almost zero retention. If you don't mind hand grinding the pharos tastes better than kony btw.
Thanks for the review. The Niche is on my short list. Don't agree at all with the negative critique about the sound quality of the video.
Thank you, if your in Australia and your keen on one, jump in soon as these will now only be available from the manufacturer directly and won’t have local support. Stock will be all gone in the next month or so. 😢
Love it! 😍😍😍
Cheers 🤜🏻
I noticed you edited out/past distribution and tamp... thoughts on using a leveling and/or distribution tool with the niche? I'm thinking of getting one, but I'm running out of bench space so quickly already.
you have to have something, a blade or and OCD, anything will help for sure as long as you do it with consistency
Lovely looking grinder but will keep the 90AUD grinder for now 😅
I have one. Best grinder I've ever owned.
They are so flexible, the nfs disc is on its way!!
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters It makes all the difference. I have it on mine
Thanks for the video. What scales are on the counter and what scales would you recommend? For home and small cafe use.
Hi Will, the scales I am using are the Acaia Lunar in Black. I love these scales and highly recommend them for home or cafe use.
Artisti Coffee Roasters That’s great, thanks.
Hey, any thoughts on the Baratza Sette 30? I’m thinking on buying one since I think it’s one of the best grinders for the budget. Although I’m concerned about the longevity of the grinder.. any insights or experiences with the Baratza series? Thank you.
sorry, we have no experience with these machines.
My beratza 270wi only lasted 2 years,
Them I had to replace the gearbox .. the teeth on the gearbox are plastic.
I've had my Niche for about 4 months now. I keep my beans in an Airscape container and I have learnt that it is far easier to weight the beans in a wider container, (plastic cup), rather than in the Niche cup. It's also far quicker to get the beans from the Airscape than fiddle about pouring them out if the bag. You don't spill as many beans. Also agree with Jackie's comments.
guys i have a question that is bothering me for months; i have a stepless grinder and 2-3 types of single origin coffee used only for espresso, i don't vary the grinder setting but i vary the dose to obtain the desired extraction, like for some dark roast brazill i use 18g and for some medium Ethiopia i use 20.1g Does it make any difference if i vary the grind setting vs the quantity?? p.s. i have 36mm burrs and use it on a 3 out of 7, it's a Lelit PL042
edit: types not times :)
Hi Dan, The best thing to do would be to adjust your grind setting before your dose. By only adjusting your dose you are using the depth of the coffee bed to control the flow of water through your coffee not the grind participial size. This has the tendency to cause inconsistency and defects in extractions. This is quite complex to explain in comments and I would love to shoot a video addressing this in the near future so keep an eye out!
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters cool, i remember a video where you explained how to use a shallow coffee bed to season your group so regarding my problem i think this is an issue that will persist; how should i cope with 3 different types of coffee and a stepless grinder even if i'm pulling double espressos all the time?
My main question is, is it a good grinder for pour over (v60, chemex or aeropress...even the coarsest french press) ? if yes, how does it compare to Encore ?
Second this!
They just answered to me it does well for filter
Currently here in Australia, the price is around $1700 AUD if you get it at Alternative Brewing or any Australian dealers. I got mine from their official website. Had the option to select the Australian version and came up to £500 for the actual grinder + £100 for shipping which is approximately just under $1100 AUD.
hey, nice video.
what scale do you use in this video?
best regards
These are the acaia Luna scale 👍🏻
Does it has micro adjustment for dialing espresso?
Yes, it has stepless adjustability, and the ring is large enough that you'll easily be able to tune in the right setting for espresso
Joel, Would you prefer the Niche Zero or Kafatek Monolith Flat Max?
I have not had the pleasure of playing with the kafatek, I’ll do a comparison when I get may hands on one
Love my EK43S at home and until now seems there wasn’t anything else that could single dose and adjust between filter and espresso easily. Niche looks like it does this at a much better price point. How do the conical burrs compare? I’ve always traditionally preferred the taste of flats.
Flats are defiantly give brighter flavors. :)
I'm a French press guy. How do you feel this will work for a FP or course grind?
Great for a coarse grind, or fine. Perfect for single dose home grind!
I've read quite of few reviews of this grinder. It seems very nice for the price point but I've read that the internal gear mechanisms are made from plastic? Is this true?
One of the burr carriers - the upper burr carrier looks to be a plastic like material. gearbox casing looks to be also -bearings are bronze
@@andybYVR Would it add to the cost too much if Niche Zero replaced the plastic burr and gearbox casing with stainless steel or aluminum? Knowing that the internals will last for generations is what would make me pull the trigger and get one even if it costs a little more.
Plastic would be the Sette
Hey guys, does it do well for filter grinding too?
Yes it sure does
Hello, I cant decide between Niche or ATOM 60 to use at home pair with ECM Technika, couple of single/double shots per day, your advice is much appreciated. cheers
if you like to weigh in each dose, get the niche, if you want a hopper, and just push to get your grind with no fuss, buy the ATOM. if you are chasing a specific increase in taste clarity the tendency is to go for a larger flat burr = ATOM, they are both quiet machines. we would love to hear your choice!
Artisti Coffee Roasters. Thanks a lot, much appreciated. I think I would go for ATOM as you advised, also found a second hand Ceato 6P, with 65mm burr and programmable , there are lots of good reviews in State, but not sure about it. Too many optiones😁
what do you think of Ceado E37s?
Hi, Sorry we have never had a chance to play with one.
Hi Joel, assuming you got the NZ via Niche's Indiegogo website, I was just wondering how you had ordered this machine to ensure that it comes with the Australian plug? It isn't quite clear beyond that the EU/UK versions have the compatible voltage as Australia...
Have you tried Google? Check out alternative brewing dot com dot au. (Didn’t link to avoid spam filter)
@@thisrocks yes I have, and there was no information (including on AB's NZ page) as to which version to order as an Australian buyer. I didn't want to buy from AB as they were selling it for almost 300 AUD more than ordering it from Niche direct.
I've since confirmed with the Niche guys that Australian buyers need to get the UK version, where you can specify Australia (which will give you the grinder with a native Australian plug). Hope this info help others out.
Hi JK, Sorry for the slow reply. We currently stock the NZ in Aus specs on our website. artisti.com.au/products/niche-zero-coffee-grinder
How does this compare with eureka mignon specialita?
The 2 grinders are very different, they can’t really be compared as one is a single dose grinder with conical blades and no retention (being the zero) the other is a 55 flat burr large hopper dose in demand grinder. These are 2 different purposes for the user
It looks like it uses far to much plastic, that may not be a big deal when new but over the years and especially out of warranty it could be an issue. Anyone know how it compares to the Vario, grind wise.
It's actually metal / aluminum but does look like a plastic juicer :p The main plastic part is the lid, which I saw a video with someone trying to break it and hitting it, it didn't break lol.
Seems like it's constructed better than a Baratza Vario. Grind quality should be similar or better I would think.
Is a much difference in flavour between go with flat bears or conical bears...
😂 I’ll have to find some 🐻 and let you know. 🤦🏼♂️ check out our video about grinder blades, I think this will answer your question 👍🏻
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters I have very little faith left in my bratza 270 WI, the gearbox went in it, only 2 years old,
The niche zero grinder looks like a far better machine, would I notice the difference in flavour...
how does it compare to the Lux D for at home use?
It’s not a comparison to make. They are very different grinders. They dose differently, one is single the other a hopper. The hopper has grind retention. Lux d is a 61m flat burr vs conical, this has its own grinding taste character and particle size variations, Liz is a higher speed motor so a bit more noise. It’s a bit like a 🍎 and a 🍌 comparison, but hey they are both fruits. 👍🏻
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters thanks for the reply, will do some more research, looking to get a linea mini
They are great. If we can help you reach out!
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters Will do, most likely will wait until september when the app connected models are in stock
Hello, were can I get plastic 58mm dosing cup like yours?
We buy them from spotlight. 👍🏻
I'm a little confused why the reviewer thinks that the Niche isn't simple... It's a machine that only has a dial and an on/off switch. Its a simple as it gets aside from smashing your beans between 2 rocks. The Niche Zero isn't automated... On a side note, would be great to hear grinders you think are comparable or better at a similar price point. Most seem to compare it to the EK, mythos or another machine at least 2-4x the price.
Tavaris Jones currently there is a void in this space. Some new companies will be coming soon.
Artisti Coffee Roasters. I actually received my niche zero a few weeks ago. It is going to be hard to beat at its price point. They have a big head start. My only gripe is the always on light. It’s a little louder than I expected but still much quieter than an entry level burr grinder.
What are your thoughts on the Niche versus the Sette?
David Tucker I have the Sette 270wi and love it. My only issues would be that it has a bit of a static issue even with the water drop trick. This can cause more retention then you might think.
I’ve had both. They were both pared with a decent espresso machine and I found the sette much more difficult to dial. It would shift between shots and it meant I would need to adjust most days. I liked the sette in that it was fast and the weigh function is accurate - but wow it’s loud. I also doubt the longevity of it. The niche I got in from the first indigogo pledge - it’s been bomber. It’s slower but it doesn’t effect the routine. I don’t think I will ever really bother upgrade the grinder. Not for a long time anyway. It does what it supposed to do and it does it well. Flats do have a slightly better taste profile (I had a mazzer major before ....that is too big next to a de1) but I think it’s good enough for me.
My experience is very similar to keir's. The Sette is just too loud and imho it does a very poor job with filter grinds (even with the steel burrs). It was very challenging to switch between filter and espresso grinds. Having owned the Niche Zero for almost a year now, I can't imagine ever going back.
Shoulda waited for the NFC disc before doing the review
We will be updating our review when we get the disk. :)
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters I love the fact that Niche saw what people wanted, and adapted to the problem so quickly with the NFC disk!
I don't want to weigh my coffee every morning. Needs at hopper
Is this sponsored content? All the reviews on youtube about the Niche feel like commercials. So far it seems like the only USP the Niche has is its zero retention. Its neither the quietest, nor the cheapest, fastest, prettiest, most comfortable or with the most homogeneity in grind.
I'm seeing this as well. My main concern is how the Niche fares with coarser grinds for pour overs. I'm looking for a good all around grinder, but with a focus on espresso.
Check James Hoffmann’s! That one is independent
No its not sponsored content, we pay for all our gear, we support the brands we use and choose our product ranges based on our market. if we ever get sponsored content we will advise this in our videos.
What?
Dude this audio is appalling. Do yourselves a favor and get a freaking mic!!! You guys will be great after thay
Thanks, yes we struggled with audio for a while, some faulty ones. But new videos are 👌🏻
I'd buy one if it didn't look so stupid.
NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, NO INFO ANYHWERE WHEN IT WILL SHIP AGAIN, WAY TO GO NICHE!!! PLUG AWAY ALL OVER RUclips BUT NO PRODUCT TO SELL ??
They are about 8 weeks away! We will let everyone know when they are in stock. It’s not just niche, so many coffee accessories and equipment are out of stock because of COVID.👎🏻
I like your content but your audio quality is awful, so much so, that I struggle to listen to your whole video. If you won't invest in quality audio, then why should someone listen to your opinion?
Thanks Gareth. We have had many faulty microphones over the time. Covid has sold out stock. We just received our new gear. Great audio quality to come 👌🏻
Terrible audio quality
Yes, it really is unfortunate because these folks do a wonderful job with their content otherwise. It would be nice to see them upgrade to a lapel mic or similar. Regardless, your comment was a bit rude... perhaps try to be more civil next time?