So grateful-thank you. I've been working with my client from a psychodynamic, depth-oriented approach in total alignment with all you describe here. AND it is such a wonderful resource to have this podcast and Michael's book to direct my client to, articulated so lovingly and so precisely. Thank you thank you-for standing up to a mainstream perspective on this Dx that is SO dogmatic and not only dissatisfying for clients, but also leaves us clinicians approaching OCD alternatively feeling persecuted (I've had many peers tell me my client needs ERP-funny this is she refuses ERP! and perhaps rightly so, as we work together from this depth perspective). Thank you, thank you
This is soo good. I was diagnosed with OCD in 2012 but I never really looked into it as I didn’t believe its influence in my life as significant however examining the past decade I can look back to how much it’s harmed me because it existed untamed. This video spoke for my experience and I hate that I didn’t take it more seriously before now. Thank you for this
Very interesting discussion. I was diagnosed with OCD at around 13 years old, im now 21 and its taken a way different form. While everything remains only some aspects show on the daily, those especially being obsessions and a constant checking. Take those words and interpret them wide and youve got my ocd lol, its being a perfectionist in the way i need to know everything. I notice most things others dont and feel anxiety when ive missed something, even minor details that dont pertain to anything im doing. In the obsessive way it becomes an existential obsession, and while i like psychology and philosophy thinking about it gives me anxiety because i simply cannot know, but I just NEED to think it. The spiraling is the part that makes it frustrating rather than enticing, if it would just end somewhere and take a break to let the thoughts breathe it wouldnt feel like a tangled uncontrolled mess in my head, sometimes i have to really take a hold of the ”beast” (hehe) and completely stop all existential thinking Me writing all this is ironic as its kind of my spiral, although edited and more processed lol. My point is, there seems to be a lot more OCD has connections with and ive found no therapy to be helpful, im excited to read Michaels book because I feel like hes really onto something. Fantastic discussion that left this psychiatry noob with tons to look into
As an ocd sufferer who has been unable to work for the past three years, due to a severe and chronic form, I struggle to find beauty in the face of this monster since the downsides make the upside useless and rot
Logic is process, and individuals forever have completely unique sensory input, and thus, completely unique experience. This is never retrievable completely, no matter the organism is archea billions of years ago, or massively brained whale, yesterday or any tomorrow. We ourselves are somewhat locked into near-constant social desire and activity, which does have the good outcome that we can become aware of the uniqueness and value of attention and perception of other individual lives. This is NOT an hierarchy, as we learn from EVERY experience, EVERY thing. (even if we learn is what NOT to do or be or think, or ways in which we err. This is MOST important - that we realize that we learn CONSTANTLY in life, and that the effort of change and improvement is pleasurable.)
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So grateful-thank you. I've been working with my client from a psychodynamic, depth-oriented approach in total alignment with all you describe here. AND it is such a wonderful resource to have this podcast and Michael's book to direct my client to, articulated so lovingly and so precisely. Thank you thank you-for standing up to a mainstream perspective on this Dx that is SO dogmatic and not only dissatisfying for clients, but also leaves us clinicians approaching OCD alternatively feeling persecuted (I've had many peers tell me my client needs ERP-funny this is she refuses ERP! and perhaps rightly so, as we work together from this depth perspective). Thank you, thank you
This is soo good. I was diagnosed with OCD in 2012 but I never really looked into it as I didn’t believe its influence in my life as significant however examining the past decade I can look back to how much it’s harmed me because it existed untamed. This video spoke for my experience and I hate that I didn’t take it more seriously before now. Thank you for this
Excellent, affirming conversation filled with heart and care. Thank you both.
Very interesting discussion. I was diagnosed with OCD at around 13 years old, im now 21 and its taken a way different form. While everything remains only some aspects show on the daily, those especially being obsessions and a constant checking. Take those words and interpret them wide and youve got my ocd lol, its being a perfectionist in the way i need to know everything. I notice most things others dont and feel anxiety when ive missed something, even minor details that dont pertain to anything im doing.
In the obsessive way it becomes an existential obsession, and while i like psychology and philosophy thinking about it gives me anxiety because i simply cannot know, but I just NEED to think it. The spiraling is the part that makes it frustrating rather than enticing, if it would just end somewhere and take a break to let the thoughts breathe it wouldnt feel like a tangled uncontrolled mess in my head, sometimes i have to really take a hold of the ”beast” (hehe) and completely stop all existential thinking
Me writing all this is ironic as its kind of my spiral, although edited and more processed lol. My point is, there seems to be a lot more OCD has connections with and ive found no therapy to be helpful, im excited to read Michaels book because I feel like hes really onto something. Fantastic discussion that left this psychiatry noob with tons to look into
As an ocd sufferer who has been unable to work for the past three years, due to a severe and chronic form, I struggle to find beauty in the face of this monster since the downsides make the upside useless and rot
Interesting connection to sensitivity
Logic is process, and individuals forever have completely unique sensory input, and thus, completely unique experience.
This is never retrievable completely, no matter the organism is archea billions of years ago, or massively brained whale, yesterday or any tomorrow.
We ourselves are somewhat locked into near-constant social desire and activity, which does have the good outcome that we can become aware of the uniqueness and value of attention and perception of other individual lives. This is NOT an hierarchy, as we learn from EVERY experience, EVERY thing. (even if we learn is what NOT to do or be or think, or ways in which we err. This is MOST important - that we realize that we learn CONSTANTLY in life, and that the effort of change and improvement is pleasurable.)
30:42 love this perspective of creativity vs ocd
the man DOES begin his discussion speaking of dissociated symbols. Association is how our brains create or sense utility, emotion, values, memory.