How The Compressor Current Starting Relay Works & Troubleshooting

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  • @acservicetechchannel
    @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад +1

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    • @josebracero4050
      @josebracero4050 4 года назад

      What could be the problem if there was a power surge and now the compressor starts but gets very hot and the protector breaks the connection. I noticed the compressor gets really hot. Since the compressor works and starts I was planning on changing the relay and the protector, but would like some advice on that.

  • @clarkkent2220
    @clarkkent2220 7 месяцев назад +3

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  • @spelunkerd
    @spelunkerd 2 года назад +5

    This has been a fun exercise to help understand how these little devices work. With no power, the current relay contacts are normally open. Like most motors, current draw from the motor is highest when the rotor is not spinning because the fixed rotor is unable to produce significant back EMF. The current relay windings are in series with the motor run windings. So, as soon as the relay sees big current, it lifts the relay plunger up to close the contacts, allowing the start capacitor and start windings to help overcome mechanical resistance and get the rotor up to speed. As the rotor spools up, the run windings begin to exert a back EMF because of the way the motor becomes a reverse electrical generator at high speeds. This back EMF reduces current through the windings, protecting the motor, improving motor efficiency, and reducing the (still forward) current through that little relay. Eventually, even though the motor is up to speed and a small current is still flowing, there isn't enough current to hold the relay contacts together and gravity pulls the plunger down, taking the start cap out of the equation. Elegantly simple.

    • @thomato981
      @thomato981 Год назад

      Your explanation is dope

  • @DM-jf3lg
    @DM-jf3lg 5 лет назад +4

    Thanks for another great video. I’ve been the business for 15 years and I’ve only worked one fractional compressor like that. I think it was on a water fountain. Keep up the work, your videos are really appreciated.

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад

      Yeah most smaller compressors use the ptc thermistor but I wanted to make sure that this one was covered too, thanks!

  • @nass7070
    @nass7070 5 лет назад +1

    Hi sir, i'm an electromecanician here in quebec Canada and i got a trouble on a enclosure unit on a electrical cabinet with vfd and a lot of contactors and this video make me understand 100% ...thank you for the knowledge!!! Tomorrow this compressor will start!!!

  • @raindropsrising7662
    @raindropsrising7662 3 года назад +3

    This is excellent explanation. Appreciate you making it so clear and concise. Appreciate your time putting this together.

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    @YTsux24-7 5 лет назад +1

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  • @poolmotorrepairguyFL
    @poolmotorrepairguyFL 3 года назад

    The Florida pool pump motor bearing repair guy When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info

  • @Pretzel114
    @Pretzel114 5 лет назад +1

    Great video Craig!!!! Helps me understand them so much better. Can't wait for your other book! Thanks again!

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад +1

      Other books will take quite a while but I am presently working on a workbook to go along with the paperback we have out, thanks Nick-O

    • @Pretzel114
      @Pretzel114 5 лет назад

      @@acservicetechchannel as long as the other book will be like this last one, it will be worth the wait. Take care.

  • @sorotboydchamlongsupalak9896
    @sorotboydchamlongsupalak9896 7 месяцев назад

    Does the relay only control the compressor? If the relay is faulty - will the compressor fan still work?
    Thank you for the great video and insight

  • @michaeldower5619
    @michaeldower5619 Год назад

    Thank you. Very helpful and informative video.

  • @pashahassan720
    @pashahassan720 3 года назад +1

    Very nice & to the point video. Keep it up.

  • @eellis258
    @eellis258 Год назад

    I'm a big follower... Thanks for the wisdom 🙌

  • @RhinocerosCake
    @RhinocerosCake Год назад

    Thank you for this video. I love the book too!

  • @BartSimpson-nr1dy
    @BartSimpson-nr1dy 4 года назад +1

    Excellent excellent video

  • @elsrog
    @elsrog 4 года назад

    Thanks for the great video very easy to understand. I checked my relay and found it was not working some WD SPRAY and hopefully it will work till a replacement arrives.

  • @kennyw7453
    @kennyw7453 5 лет назад +1

    Excellent video

  • @NorCal-refrigeration
    @NorCal-refrigeration 5 лет назад +3

    So many compressors get condemned when it’s just a bad relay. Great video👍👍

  • @farmuhqas
    @farmuhqas 3 года назад +1

    Hi, thanks for the video. I have a question. In the uk you have live, neutral and ground which one of these wires do I connect to the common pin?. Thanks

  • @obaidulhaqe6230
    @obaidulhaqe6230 3 года назад

    very nice useful explanation.

  • @jaym48
    @jaym48 2 года назад

    I have the Start Relay you show at the 7:20 mark (it has three prongs where only two wires are connected) and it reads 5.5 ohms and does not rattle. I have the Overload you show at the 8:06 mark and it reads 0.6 ohms. In short, everything works on my GE GBS22KBSBCC refrigerator except the fridge will not go below 40F and the freezer will not go below 33F. So, what would not allow strong cooling .....if the start relay was bad or the capacitor? Defroster, thermistors, evaporator fan, condenser fan are all working and the coils are spotless. I even checked the three prongs on the condenser and got a 8.4 ohm on the two main prongs, 4.5 ohms on the left and 4.2 ohms on the right. My Embraco 1PH condenser has a label on the side reading "LRA of 11.5 EGU 70HLC' 115 - 127 V". My multimeter read 0.8 amps when it is running. The Capacitor multimeter read 11.85 uF (210 VAC 50/60 Hz @ 12 uF). Some history - In July 2016 I did had a technician add R 134a and in October 2018 I had to add an evaporator thermistor since my evaporator coils were an iceberg and it was not triggering the defrost mode; refrigerator was warm but freezer worked fine. NOTE: I made a video of the Start Relay arcing with the Overload when the compressor was called for power; there was just a click sound but no compressor. Then, 90 seconds later, it called on it again and the compressor hummed away. When I took it apart again the Star Relay gave the same reading but I noted it was VERY hot. Could this Relay still be bad but not activating all the time thus overheating because it is sometimes working? If so, maybe this is why the temperatures cannot catch up. With that said, I do not know the spec for my compressor amps but had some hand written notes from the 2006 technician (when he filled my R143a) stating the original amps were 0.7 and after he added 4.5# the amps were 1.55. His notes also read "spec = 1.5 to 1.7 amps). Should I purchase a new Relay and, if so, is it "good practice" to purchase a new Overload, also? They are very pricy at $76 and $80, respectively......for a piece of plastic! ANY direction would be greatly appreciated by you.

  • @jimbola77
    @jimbola77 5 лет назад +2

    thank you, partner, for sharing!!!!! Excellent video's.

  • @EnjoyCalculus
    @EnjoyCalculus 3 года назад +1

    is a compressor protector used with PTC thermistor as well or just the current starting relay?

  • @acrepairnearme
    @acrepairnearme 5 лет назад +2

    Great! Very interesting! Where this compressors are used? I met one looks the same in condensing unit for small walk in cooler wine room. R134a. Thank you.

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад

      They are on small refrigerators and freezers sometimes. The ptc thermistors however are more common on those smaller reciprocating compressors. I just wanted to make sure that I went over them, thanks

  • @mojetrouba
    @mojetrouba 4 года назад

    Thanks very much. This was really helpful.

  • @tuffgost
    @tuffgost 5 лет назад +2

    For helpful video like always. I have a compressor that continues to run even after the refrigerator (Delfield reach-in) has reached temp. T-stat is new and set to lowest cooling setting but fridge was at 20 degrees this morning. Could this be a bad relay that's stuck closed?

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад

      No, it is likely the thermostat in wired on the NC terminal instead of the no terminal. This current starting relay is just for starting, thanks!

  • @samisrour3129
    @samisrour3129 3 года назад +1

    Great video ,, many thx

  • @fox8950
    @fox8950 4 года назад +1

    Do some compressors not use a capacitor?
    I have this old Eaton Viking dehumidifier from likely the 70's and there's no capacitor to be found on it.
    Relay is acting up and with a 3 n1 universal relay someone said to remove the old capacitor when installing it,but I can't find a capacitor on it.The big cover is off but I don't see one.

  • @johnson4940
    @johnson4940 3 года назад +1

    You teach L1 (hot) connect to run terminal. Why some videos teach connect L1 ( hot) to overload then to common terminal ? I am a little confusing!

  • @libtrs838
    @libtrs838 Год назад +1

    What happens when the start relay gets stuck closed? Does the compressor not work or does it damage the compressor?

  • @procharger94
    @procharger94 5 лет назад +1

    Great video!

  • @mfertig
    @mfertig 4 года назад +1

    Thanks very much!

  • @jonjordan6606
    @jonjordan6606 4 года назад +1

    i have a relay that has start and run but two screws labeled 1 & 2 what are they ?

  • @henmich
    @henmich Месяц назад

    I'm trying to start a 3 phase motor that is not a compressor and will not be under a big load at start. Would this still be needed? I'm trying to use a VFD and it describes this component in an example circuit.

  • @bobrub
    @bobrub 5 лет назад +4

    Hi Craig, Do you plan on putting this out in a real book we can keep in the van for reference?
    A Spiral bound 8 1/2 X 11 book would be great in my opinion.

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад +2

      Absolutely I do. The print shop is working on them as we speak. I don't have a date to share yet for when I will have the bulk order of paperbacks in but they will be spiral bound with slightly glossy pages. I will send out an update when they are ready. Make sure that you are on the updates list at acservicetech.com and thanks a lot bobrub!

  • @chefswole
    @chefswole 4 года назад +1

    can the relay get fried? mine is clearly burnt and i purchased a new one, i hope it fixes the problem!

  • @davidtomato6346
    @davidtomato6346 2 года назад

    Is the start relay for refrigeration all time? For the AC system, the start relay is not always necessary?

  • @michaelcostello6991
    @michaelcostello6991 3 года назад

    If the start and run was connected all the time what would happen at 4:26 in video?

  • @Smith-qt4us
    @Smith-qt4us 5 лет назад +3

    When's the paperback version coming and is it good for someone with really no HVAC knowledge at all? I'm an install helper but not really learning so I am going to school in August but want a book I can read outside of work until I go to school to soak up as much info as possible.

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад

      Yes the book will be highly beneficial and it progresses as you read it. Check out the full outline at acservicetech.com/the-book The paperback will be out in a couple weeks. If you have an ipad or computer the ebook is available now, thanks! As you come across questions about the trade, feel free to ask them in these comment sections, thanks!

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад

      Smith66, good news! As of today, the paperback is now available at www.acservicetech.com !!!

  • @Notown-lj5nq
    @Notown-lj5nq 3 месяца назад

    When I do the upright and and upside-down test, mybreadings are never steady even when i test new relay. I make sure i raddle the relay before testing but sometimes it reads OL on both attemps, then if im lucky i get a reading of 2.5. That's with a bad and new one.

  • @1weirddoe571
    @1weirddoe571 Год назад

    I hear the relay contacts click when the compressor starts, but I don't hear the iron core plunger drop back out with gravity. Is it a slow, gradual process of falling back out or is it fast? How many seconds does it take for the compressor to start up--almost immediately the relay then drops out? Can you hear it drop?

  • @eellis258
    @eellis258 Год назад

    I Just wanna clarify that L1 power goes to Main or Run winding. Not to start winding

  • @samuelvalenzuela4541
    @samuelvalenzuela4541 5 лет назад

    Hi Sr, do you have a video explaining why the A/C compressors doesn't use a potential relay and the start capacitor, and why the refrigeration compressors use it, can you explain please

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад

      Refrigeration compressors work even when it is colder outside and need help starting. Some txv's on refrigeration units don't allow for pressure equalization. Most heat pumps have a potential relay or some other starting device. Only some ac units come equipped with a potential relay but they turn on and run when it is warmer out. I don't have a specific video on that, thanks!

  • @pointblank6467
    @pointblank6467 5 лет назад +1

    thank you kind sir.

  • @ShahzadAhmad-wf8jv
    @ShahzadAhmad-wf8jv 4 года назад +1

    How to identify the comprises sizes without sticker

  • @tomyang1944
    @tomyang1944 4 года назад

    hey got a question for replacement current starting relay. I have an old sub zero fridge which the freezer is no longer cooling (refrigeration is still fine). The old relay (PB24 3ARR12) I pulled out was measure about 120 ohms which i guess is too high. My question is will any 3arr12 relay do the trick? Thanks

  • @Shutyourjibbs
    @Shutyourjibbs Год назад

    When my thermostat in my refrigerator shuts off the compressor I hear two clicks, which have gotten louder over time. Is it possibly the start relay getting ready to fail?

  • @janakachaminda5634
    @janakachaminda5634 5 лет назад +1

    Can you see the how to check compressur pumpeing

  • @r2techtamil
    @r2techtamil 5 лет назад +1

    Nice video..

  • @charleswashington7576
    @charleswashington7576 2 года назад

    That helps

  • @DWAYNE2ism
    @DWAYNE2ism 5 лет назад +1

    Good good

  • @bigez4024
    @bigez4024 5 лет назад

    Where do the compressor terminals connect on the current relay?

  • @ohmware2020
    @ohmware2020 2 года назад

    hi, how may i know the hp of my relay, its marking is 8064 mm5-36s

  • @cjaloisio8576
    @cjaloisio8576 3 года назад

    Ask u a question, what opens the switch internally in the system start relay? The capacitor, the temperature, the resistor or it never opens. I was thinking the resistor

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  3 года назад

      It is normally in the open position. The current generated induces power to the coil turning it into a magnet pulling up the iron core and contacts. Then after the motor current reduces, the amount of power induced into the electrical coil lowers and the iron core falls disconnecting the contacts.

  • @TerryRGraham
    @TerryRGraham Год назад

    What happens if the relay gets stuck and keeps the start capacitor in the circuit while running?

  • @brothertech1817
    @brothertech1817 5 лет назад +1

    Can you share the link for the book? Thanks in advance!

    • @acestu
      @acestu 5 лет назад +1

      www.acservicetech.com/

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад +2

      Thanks Stuart! Yes Brother Tech, sample pages are on the website and can be purchased there, thanks! www.acservicetech.com/the-book

    • @brothertech1817
      @brothertech1817 5 лет назад +2

      Thanks y'all!

    • @brothertech1817
      @brothertech1817 5 лет назад +1

      I bought the puller on Amazon really needed.

    • @acservicetechchannel
      @acservicetechchannel  5 лет назад

      Sounds Good, thanks Brother Tech!

  • @yehuditshor8679
    @yehuditshor8679 3 года назад

    I think that in small instruments like food processor you don't need the relay at all. The relay is all the time in on position. Those instruments don't have a start capacitor at all only run capacitor to generate the "second' phase to run the motor. It is only a source of potential trouble and you can live without it.

  • @SantoshPandey-ip5gi
    @SantoshPandey-ip5gi 5 лет назад

    Sir mera v fridge thoda der chal ke band ho ja rha hi

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    @sevasvideo2952 3 года назад

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  • @Sctronic209
    @Sctronic209 5 лет назад +1

    First

  • @jollyscaria1922
    @jollyscaria1922 10 месяцев назад

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  • @colloidalsilver1096
    @colloidalsilver1096 5 месяцев назад

    cfyt

  • @SantoshPandey-ip5gi
    @SantoshPandey-ip5gi 5 лет назад +1

    Sir plz tell hindi..

  • @williamcallahan5819
    @williamcallahan5819 3 года назад

    Great video!