Hideous. Point blank period. I feel bad for the designer getting hate but at the same times it’s literally the ugliest pocket knife I’ve seen in the last several years.
I love this channel I’m getting a knife review and engineering/physics lesson! I’ve always wondered about that groove at the flange/rod junction and now I know. It also shows that designing a knife isn’t just making something pretty.😁
I've been a fan of button locks for a while. Carson Griffin in Nitrobe 77 (such a great steel, wish more knives had it) has been one of my favorite knives for at least 11-12 years that I've had it. Brian Tighe makes some amazing custom button locks as well. The Triad from Ketuo is one of my favorite knives because of how much fun it is. And Hogue are really solid (i have the g10 version). And I've never had one fail, but i don't abuse my knives.
I'm not sure why more makers aren't making some version of the triad lock on MOST knives. It's well established as the most robust mechanism on the market as far as i know. Surely it can be done in some other configuration than a back lock , for those that dislike the triad lock for that reason.
Protech is far from being the inventor of manual button locks, they just made it popular lately with the crisp detent of the malibu. Brian Tighe, William Henry, Rod Olson, among many others did manual button locks before the Malibu
@@SirGalath The ones you mentioned are all automatic knives. Or at least started out as such. Besides, I didn’t say they invented the lock, merely that Malibu started the craze.
Nah... Brian Tighe has been making manual button locks for at least 10 years, similar deal with Wlliam henry. But ok, maybe i missheard what you said on the video Best regards, keep up the good work. 👌
@ Since you’re into high end knives and their history, here’s a video that may be of interest to you. ruclips.net/video/3uNeJmcbtZM/видео.htmlsi=8d-mVH0gv-hcvP1G
@ I’ll take your word for it, since I’m not as familiar with custom names as you clearly are. What I was trying to say in this video is that they simplified their bread and butter knife by removing the spring and hit a gold mine with the Malibu. Here’s one of my more obscure videos that you may enjoy because they’re a lot of custom knives in it ruclips.net/video/3uNeJmcbtZM/видео.htmlsi=8d-mVH0gv-hcvP1G
I have talked about the top liner lock not holding or breaking. I didn’t go as far as you did I just spine whacked on my leg and that was enough to break free!
I would not use that knife for hunting. But I generally just use fixed blades. When I was young and most successful at hunting I used a Swiss Army knife because that’s all I had. That knife looks cool but I feel like the blade is oversized in tallness for artistic appeal.
Very interesting, and shocking. You recorded a potentially destructive test at the start? Why? I saw those square shoulders & thought oh no, rounded will always be stronger. IE: your quartz countertop. The edges look like a 6mm rounded edge?! Because they're less prone to chipping... and a 'softer', deflective whack when a kid bounces their head off the corner of the counter as they run by lol. That recess in the clip for a seam edge (brilliant idea!) could also act as a tensioner, couldn't it? Looking forward to the rest of this. Cheers
@@Rottidog68 To answer your first question: I have so much distrust in button locks that I wouldn’t do your favorite Tree of Doom test unless there was a lock safety on the knife. The pocket clip is excellent. Strength and redundancy, gliding performance, perfect tension. They should have won pocket clip of the year award🤣 And they totally didn’t fall for that fabricated issue of not having a leftie option, which I think is smart.
@@CuttingBoardRx interesting, the vanax padre is 250, dlc elmax is 260, and knfs exclusive dlc elmax with ceracoted handle being 270$ at least for where i'm looking.
@ Typically I quote the retail prices. But you are correct: everything is on sale. Or were they always “discounted?” I don’t track premium Chinese knives too closely, so I wouldn’t really know.
@@CuttingBoardRx that's completely fair, it would be sick for that knife to actually be 100 less than the padre. it would be an instant best seller. about instant best sellers, there's gonna be an s90v penguin for like 90$ if i remember correctly, might be worth a look.
Guess im weird. I've Never thought the stitch looked so ugly that it was cool i just thought it was regular cool lol. It looks so aggressive badass somehow primitive in a sleek way 🤔 if only it was available in magnacut and verified tested at 64hrc would be in a perpetually euphoric edc knife state of mind lol
Exactly. I have several autos and rams not to mention multiple ultratechs. Really bits when you have spent that much money only to find out you have inferior steel!
Microtech really kneecapped themselves by not making sure the lockups on the MSIs were kosher, as well as the move to a “proprietary” steel that they willingly treat like it’s potmetal Or maybe they didn’t, since they still sell like hotcakes But yeah, I agree. Slap high-hardness MagnaCut on those RAM-LOK models and I’d be interested. They’d also all suddenly be $500, because it’s Microtech lol
Personally, I don't care for the blade shape. Kudos to the designer for sending it to you for testing. For the price, it should have provided better hardware. BTW, have you tested any Hogue button locks on your Hype Smasher ?
On one hand, I kind of agree with the sentiment of some people that a button lock not being “broken-in” with extensive use and fidgeting beforehand makes testing kind of unfair, since I’ve also seen more-secure locking systems (liner and framelocks) fail due to early lockup when brand-new However, I also think standard plunge locks deserve to be phased-out, since they’re far and away the most finicky/unreliable of any major locking system I’ve seen. There are many alternatives with similar action and “finger-safeness” out there, so I just don’t see why they persist like this. Maybe they’re cheaper to manufacture than button-actuated liner/framelocks? I don’t know about that, but I do know that I’m very, very picky about the plunge lock designs I like. The Pyrite is a rare example of one that seems to be generally reliable across-the-board, but it’s also resulted in a lot of companies trying to cash-in with pieces that simply don’t have the baseline QC or R&D on theirs to make them consistently reliable
Why don't these companies do this testing before consumers "ME" spend $270 freaking dollars?????? I would ASSUME they do. Well we ALL know ASS-U-ME! So Everyone (to include ME) are left holding the freaking bag!
@@CuttingBoardRx Um, you explained why the button broke. Are you now saying they should continue making the knife exactly as it is??? As an avid hunter I can tell you accidents happen all the time out in the field! I need to be able to count on a knife, especially at that freaking price...
@@devilsadvocate783 Don’t twist my words. I’m saying that companies think they can get away with poor design because nobody will be using an expensive knife for tasks that may damage it.
@@CuttingBoardRx Oh, ok. I misunderstood what you meant. Thanks for clarifying. So many ''Knife channels'' on RUclips make out like a knife is only to open letters or break down boxes. Its rather comical...
That blade shape is too wide/tall. The reason a knife like the buck 110, benchmade flyway, or the Pendleton mini-hunter are so popular. Small thin and pointed blades are ideal for Field Dressing game (anything in North America) These massive, 4”+ and broad blades for “hunting” are a gimmick. Small thin and deft is the way. Lastly, do if the designer is insinuation it’s helpful for “hunting”, it’s not. A button lock, folding knife with a blade shape like that doesn’t belong anywhere near a harvest animal. Could it work ? Yes, is it the right tool for the job ? No. 3:14
@@EastCoastMan603 Got you! Thanks for commenting! Shane wasn’t suggesting it for hunting, just wanted to know from the experts. IMHO a broad blade is good for straight long cuts and filleting meats etc. What are your thoughts on Benchmade Mini Crooked River and Taggedout? They advertise them in the Hunt lineup.
I love button locks despite all these tests, not only yours. I think people overthink folding knives having to be fixed blades. I think the purpose of a folding knife lock is to hold the blade open, not to allow people to make bad decisions with things clearly designed to fold.
I think if you cut into a material say double walled cardboard. Your knife gets stuck, and as you're pulling it out the lock fails. You have a bad lock. If you're batoning with it and it fails, you need a fixed blade. People do have to high of an expectation for most locks. And with metal wear people seem to forget that some locks get stronger with time.
I disagree. I carry an AD10 , it's great having a tool that folds up that is capable of so much. I've used it routinely as a medium duty pry bar , cleaned fish , and used it split kindling. Between that knife and a hatchet , i don't need to carry a 3rd blade while hiking and fishing. I think manufacturers just need to be more honest about the capabilities of their lock designs. Especially on cheap knives that people who don't know much about folding knives might use.
I will say the milling on the handles looks really nice, but Blade is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen. Button locks are the worst locking mechanisms. $270 and a Chinese oem, made me not even consider it.
@@SliceyAethstetic On one hand the price is high. On the other hand it is competitive with amateur-designed knives that Neeves, Tristate and Metal Complex have developed this year. Not to mention US-made options like TRM Atom, McNees, and Curtis knife pushing into $400-600 range.
@ I didn’t (and won’t) buy them because they stated in every video and during that circle jerk-off bromance reviews they did for each other, that these are light duty knives not intended for hard use. Other than that, these are great knives… I think
Still stands that the Unnamed is the ugliest knife I’ve ever seen. I’m not hearing anyone out it’s hideous. Looks like a botched fix for a broken tip on a drop point or something.
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What do you guys think about this knife? Can you look beyond the blade shape and focus on the material and build quality? Let’s have a discussion!
I don’t have any bench made knives because of their prices Especially magnacut.
Hideous. Point blank period. I feel bad for the designer getting hate but at the same times it’s literally the ugliest pocket knife I’ve seen in the last several years.
I probably could, I’m not really into the Bowie look but I like how chonky the blade is.
@@dat_boi3372 someone pointed me to Kinwu Padre, which I didn’t know existed. Same styling.
@@MrCaissed Benchmade heat treats MagnaCut to 61 HRC 🙁
I love this channel I’m getting a knife review and engineering/physics lesson!
I’ve always wondered about that groove at the flange/rod junction and now I know. It also shows that designing a knife isn’t just making something pretty.😁
Best knife content on RUclips. Glad to have information and reference instead of infomercials and referrals.
..."what a dark and mysterious place is the mind of a knife enthusiast"
hahaha. i love what this channel is becoming.
@@Mr.Fields. Please, I beg you, tell me what exactly my channel IS becoming! Other than a total money pit!…
-a painfully honest examination of an industry that has us hooked. you speak for the consumer. the testing speaks for itself. I am entertained
I've been a fan of button locks for a while. Carson Griffin in Nitrobe 77 (such a great steel, wish more knives had it) has been one of my favorite knives for at least 11-12 years that I've had it. Brian Tighe makes some amazing custom button locks as well. The Triad from Ketuo is one of my favorite knives because of how much fun it is. And Hogue are really solid (i have the g10 version). And I've never had one fail, but i don't abuse my knives.
Thanks for recommending those work pro screwdrivers! I love mine!
I'm not sure why more makers aren't making some version of the triad lock on MOST knives. It's well established as the most robust mechanism on the market as far as i know. Surely it can be done in some other configuration than a back lock , for those that dislike the triad lock for that reason.
It has been done by Demko in Shark Lock and Atlas lock.
It’s still under copyright. Besides that, I think most people consider it to be overkill.
@@mangobadger CRKT has dead bolt lock
I'd argue that the Spyderco Szabo Folder is a compression lock "version" of the triad lock.
Awesome video, I always learn something new. I have lots to learn, so keep up the great work!
Thanks!
@@Chappvid Thank you so much! It’s very humbling to get a gift like this!
Protech is far from being the inventor of manual button locks, they just made it popular lately with the crisp detent of the malibu.
Brian Tighe, William Henry, Rod Olson, among many others did manual button locks before the Malibu
@@SirGalath The ones you mentioned are all automatic knives. Or at least started out as such. Besides, I didn’t say they invented the lock, merely that Malibu started the craze.
Nah... Brian Tighe has been making manual button locks for at least 10 years, similar deal with Wlliam henry.
But ok, maybe i missheard what you said on the video
Best regards, keep up the good work. 👌
@ Since you’re into high end knives and their history, here’s a video that may be of interest to you.
ruclips.net/video/3uNeJmcbtZM/видео.htmlsi=8d-mVH0gv-hcvP1G
@ I’ll take your word for it, since I’m not as familiar with custom names as you clearly are. What I was trying to say in this video is that they simplified their bread and butter knife by removing the spring and hit a gold mine with the Malibu.
Here’s one of my more obscure videos that you may enjoy because they’re a lot of custom knives in it
ruclips.net/video/3uNeJmcbtZM/видео.htmlsi=8d-mVH0gv-hcvP1G
Congratulations Shane. Vu where you at? 🧐
Bought one and subscribed. Thank you
Thanks for subscribing!
I have talked about the top liner lock not holding or breaking. I didn’t go as far as you did I just spine whacked on my leg and that was enough to break free!
@@MrCaissed Smock lock is what you are referring to is a completely different system. And it is much stronger
Please do a torture test of the heretic manual pariah full size. I would love to see how the button lock holds up on your tester. Great channel btw
@@Glocksmoke85 You are welcome to send the knife to me and I will be happy to test it. Contact info is in the channel description.
Interesting company. I’ve never heard of them but their OTFs seem really competitively priced
I agree. Maybe I’ll get one to test?
I would not use that knife for hunting. But I generally just use fixed blades. When I was young and most successful at hunting I used a Swiss Army knife because that’s all I had.
That knife looks cool but I feel like the blade is oversized in tallness for artistic appeal.
Thanks for responding!
Very interesting, and shocking. You recorded a potentially destructive test at the start? Why?
I saw those square shoulders & thought oh no, rounded will always be stronger. IE: your quartz countertop. The edges look like a 6mm rounded edge?! Because they're less prone to chipping... and a 'softer', deflective whack when a kid bounces their head off the corner of the counter as they run by lol.
That recess in the clip for a seam edge (brilliant idea!) could also act as a tensioner, couldn't it?
Looking forward to the rest of this.
Cheers
@@Rottidog68 To answer your first question: I have so much distrust in button locks that I wouldn’t do your favorite Tree of Doom test unless there was a lock safety on the knife.
The pocket clip is excellent. Strength and redundancy, gliding performance, perfect tension. They should have won pocket clip of the year award🤣
And they totally didn’t fall for that fabricated issue of not having a leftie option, which I think is smart.
@@CuttingBoardRx OK, now it makes cents 😎. It's a safety thing. Some shops I've worked in had a safety 3rd attitude. 🤥
14:55 I think you are crazy. Like button hitted. 😁 Thank you for the Kershaw Livewire video. Got one after dat review 👍
@@Kerozin1812 Great knife.
I would like to see ZT 0545 on the tests. Lock is trash, but I think it should be rust resisted
@@iBelko If you would like to send me yours, please contact me via email which is in the channel description.
the blade shape looks like a clip point kunwu padre
pretty cool
@@attila5221 yep, somebody pointed this out. Padre is $100 more. Should be cheaper - $220-230
@@CuttingBoardRx interesting, the vanax padre is 250, dlc elmax is 260, and knfs exclusive dlc elmax with ceracoted handle being 270$ at least for where i'm looking.
@ Typically I quote the retail prices. But you are correct: everything is on sale. Or were they always “discounted?”
I don’t track premium Chinese knives too closely, so I wouldn’t really know.
@@CuttingBoardRx that's completely fair, it would be sick for that knife to actually be 100 less than the padre. it would be an instant best seller. about instant best sellers, there's gonna be an s90v penguin for like 90$ if i remember correctly, might be worth a look.
Guess im weird. I've Never thought the stitch looked so ugly that it was cool i just thought it was regular cool lol. It looks so aggressive badass somehow primitive in a sleek way 🤔 if only it was available in magnacut and verified tested at 64hrc would be in a perpetually euphoric edc knife state of mind lol
Exactly. I have several autos and rams not to mention multiple ultratechs. Really bits when you have spent that much money only to find out you have inferior steel!
Microtech really kneecapped themselves by not making sure the lockups on the MSIs were kosher, as well as the move to a “proprietary” steel that they willingly treat like it’s potmetal
Or maybe they didn’t, since they still sell like hotcakes
But yeah, I agree. Slap high-hardness MagnaCut on those RAM-LOK models and I’d be interested. They’d also all suddenly be $500, because it’s Microtech lol
Man... I wonder what that Shane dude is gonna do when all them people start freaking out.
I don’t think he sold a lot of them but as I said in the end, he’s sending me the replacement plunger under warranty.
Hourra for Quiet carry !! ^^
I LOVE MINE!
Thanks for commenting
Personally, I don't care for the blade shape. Kudos to the designer for sending it to you for testing. For the price, it should have provided better hardware.
BTW, have you tested any Hogue button locks on your Hype Smasher ?
@@tombrown4683 I have one of theirs with a Nessmukbb BB blade and it has a safety switch. It doesn’t unlock with the safety on.
On one hand, I kind of agree with the sentiment of some people that a button lock not being “broken-in” with extensive use and fidgeting beforehand makes testing kind of unfair, since I’ve also seen more-secure locking systems (liner and framelocks) fail due to early lockup when brand-new
However, I also think standard plunge locks deserve to be phased-out, since they’re far and away the most finicky/unreliable of any major locking system I’ve seen. There are many alternatives with similar action and “finger-safeness” out there, so I just don’t see why they persist like this. Maybe they’re cheaper to manufacture than button-actuated liner/framelocks? I don’t know about that, but I do know that I’m very, very picky about the plunge lock designs I like. The Pyrite is a rare example of one that seems to be generally reliable across-the-board, but it’s also resulted in a lot of companies trying to cash-in with pieces that simply don’t have the baseline QC or R&D on theirs to make them consistently reliable
Looks like Kunwu Padre.
I can definitely see the resemblance!
Why don't these companies do this testing before consumers "ME" spend $270 freaking dollars?????? I would ASSUME they do. Well we ALL know ASS-U-ME! So Everyone (to include ME) are left holding the freaking bag!
They assume that if you spend that much money on a knife, you are not going to use it as a real tool.
@@CuttingBoardRx Um, you explained why the button broke. Are you now saying they should continue making the knife exactly as it is??? As an avid hunter I can tell you accidents happen all the time out in the field! I need to be able to count on a knife, especially at that freaking price...
@@devilsadvocate783 Don’t twist my words. I’m saying that companies think they can get away with poor design because nobody will be using an expensive knife for tasks that may damage it.
@@CuttingBoardRx Oh, ok. I misunderstood what you meant. Thanks for clarifying. So many ''Knife channels'' on RUclips make out like a knife is only to open letters or break down boxes. Its rather comical...
That blade shape is too wide/tall. The reason a knife like the buck 110, benchmade flyway, or the Pendleton mini-hunter are so popular.
Small thin and pointed blades are ideal for Field Dressing game (anything in North America)
These massive, 4”+ and broad blades for “hunting” are a gimmick. Small thin and deft is the way.
Lastly, do if the designer is insinuation it’s helpful for “hunting”, it’s not. A button lock, folding knife with a blade shape like that doesn’t belong anywhere near a harvest animal. Could it work ? Yes, is it the right tool for the job ? No. 3:14
@@EastCoastMan603 Got you! Thanks for commenting! Shane wasn’t suggesting it for hunting, just wanted to know from the experts. IMHO a broad blade is good for straight long cuts and filleting meats etc. What are your thoughts on Benchmade Mini Crooked River and Taggedout? They advertise them in the Hunt lineup.
You are definitely crazy
@@mel87123 like a fox.
I love button locks despite all these tests, not only yours. I think people overthink folding knives having to be fixed blades. I think the purpose of a folding knife lock is to hold the blade open, not to allow people to make bad decisions with things clearly designed to fold.
@@ct2368 Thanks for commenting! Let me ask this: what’s the point of having a lock that doesn’t stay locked? What’s your EDC knife? Buck 112?
I think if you cut into a material say double walled cardboard. Your knife gets stuck, and as you're pulling it out the lock fails. You have a bad lock. If you're batoning with it and it fails, you need a fixed blade. People do have to high of an expectation for most locks. And with metal wear people seem to forget that some locks get stronger with time.
I disagree. I carry an AD10 , it's great having a tool that folds up that is capable of so much. I've used it routinely as a medium duty pry bar , cleaned fish , and used it split kindling. Between that knife and a hatchet , i don't need to carry a 3rd blade while hiking and fishing. I think manufacturers just need to be more honest about the capabilities of their lock designs. Especially on cheap knives that people who don't know much about folding knives might use.
Well that isn't good!!!!
Thanks for watching!
I will say the milling on the handles looks really nice, but
Blade is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen. Button locks are the worst locking mechanisms. $270 and a Chinese oem, made me not even consider it.
@@SliceyAethstetic On one hand the price is high. On the other hand it is competitive with amateur-designed knives that Neeves, Tristate and Metal Complex have developed this year. Not to mention US-made options like TRM Atom, McNees, and Curtis knife pushing into $400-600 range.
@CuttingBoardRx I wasn't willing to buy the youtuber designed knives either for the same reason.
@ I didn’t (and won’t) buy them because they stated in every video and during that circle jerk-off bromance reviews they did for each other, that these are light duty knives not intended for hard use. Other than that, these are great knives… I think
🎉🎉@@CuttingBoardRx
that would be devestating if i made a knife that failed this 80 pound spine test.
It was metal to metal, not bad
Cumulative effect here - 4 strikes are responsible for the damage not just the last one.
Still stands that the Unnamed is the ugliest knife I’ve ever seen. I’m not hearing anyone out it’s hideous. Looks like a botched fix for a broken tip on a drop point or something.
Like someone pointed out: it looks like Kinwu Padre. Probably coincidence.
Clip point?
Button-lock = shitlock
@@blockbuster6076 Not all button locks are are equal.