beginners are better off shooting 2 hands to build confidence. Once they can put all of their shots into the black, then the training wheels will need to come off and shoot 1 handed for the match to count.
In our league you must shoot one handed, and no leaning or resting on anything. We shoot 30 round matches. 4 targets.....2 slow, and 1 each for timed and rapid.
Thanks for pointing that out. Most have always been one hand. Ours started to allow two hands a couple years back. I think a wise move as the number of shooters has been going down, and allowing two hands (some no doubt prefer one hand) I feel encourages shooters. I go back to when there were almost no scopes in use. Hard core iron sight shooters almost considered it cheating to use optics. Thanks again for pointing this out. O.R.
@@mikek8089 My only though is what happens when age of the eyes makes it pretty much impossible to focus on the sights. If you’re lucky that will never happen. We know how important a good sight picture is, and not having that really takes the fun out. I pretty much stopped handgun shooting when it happened. No dots on black powder replica revolver matches. O.R.
@Old Ranger , You seem to do pretty darn good with your cap and ball revolvers! I've watched plenty of your videos where you were dropping those lead balls in nice little groups.👍
@@mikek8089 A few years back I asked the eye Dr about this and got glasses that have the right lens focus at arms length. The left is normal correction for nearsighted. I use these for shooting iron sights but removed during loading. Noticed lately that I was forgetting to take them off because I think my brain or something got used to them. Its not perfect because the target is blurred, but at least I can get a good sight picture. O.R.
Right on, and it provides something that can happen in the winter months. Interesting that my 22 league gun has probably seen more shooting than other guns that are more special to me. O.R.
Our range closed about 10 years ago that held Wednesday night league. I shot bullseye for 30+ years, however I'm no longer active in it because of above reason. many 2700s I have attended. it does get in you blood as far as desire. good video, lots of fun, peace,- Dave.
Thanks Dave. Sorry to hear about closing. We used to have about 60-70 shooters when I started. Four local towns had teams that competed in the league. Used to shoot at the National Armories. The league is down to only one town, and maybe 15-18 active shooters. O.R.
Jeff, you take the 10 lowest on the timed or rapid, or the five lowest on the slow. In our league, we use 2 slow fire targets and change after 5 shots. The changing of the slow fire targets has more to do with centerfire guns, as (if you're skilled enough) one can blow out the center of the target, then cheat and "dump" the last 5 in the backstop. So, using 2 slow fire targets prevents a shooter from doing such antics.
@@jeffshootsstuff, I should've also stated that there really is no reason to call an alibi on slow fire, as one usually has plenty of time to clear a malfunction.
Thanks for this interesting video. - I have not shot this type of match since the '80's - back then we did not use any optical sights. I transitioned to IPSC style competition until advancing age has made me "useless" 😆😆.
I think your local league is leading the way there! I would love to see Precision Pistol everywhere including Camp Perry open a two handed class. Just as with the optics class it will bring in more competitors. The one hand only and iron sight only can still have a class. More trigger time for everyone is a good goal.
Point is well taken. I’ve always felt that if the bar is raised too high, lots of interested people will just say to heck with that. I remember a “civil war skirmish “ where someone got the stupid idea of challenging the pistol shooters by having them shoot at clays at 50 yards. Next match, most left their side guns at home, or never bothered to dirty them. No fun if all you do is miss, most know they are not top tier, but do like the feeling of connecting once in a while. Thanks for your input. O.R.
Is this an nra event? I'm in a shooting club in europe, we shoot only issf disciplines with 22lr. I would like to suggest this competition, as it can be shot with "normal" match pistols, i.e. no orthopedic grips.
@@leonda4817 Hi. Thanks for your comment. Are optics allowed in your competition? This is not NRA match. It is a local event that generally follows NRA rules, but can make changes on approval of members of the shooting league. It has become less strict to encourage shooters. There has been a downward enrollment during the last 40 years, so making the rules less strict is an attempt to keep the league active in this area of the state. O.R.
That was an AIMPOINT (old production). It says Jasmar on the side. Instruction sheet says for grip models 106-108. Apparently AIMPOINT search gives modern stuff. Did a search on Jasmar and did find a used one as of 9/6/23. O.R.
Traditionally that is correct. This league has ok’ed two hands. Couple reasons I believe is that it encourages younger shooters, especially those that have been trained to shoot this way. This helps, as many shooters won’t go with the more difficult disciplines. It also helps older shooters to feel and shoot some better and keeps them involved. O.R.
Yes, no restrictions I am aware of. Doesn’t need to be a semi automatic, just that “top guns” looking for high scores use them. My brother competed for years using a double action S&W 4 inch model K. Of course it must be 22 cal. O.R.
I notice that all shooters are using a two-hand hold!?? All matches I’ve ever participated in was strictly off-hand hold encluding center-fire in a two-gun league. It’s been awhile for me and I don’t know of any rule or class changes that would effect the NRA scoring here. However, a great video of the process and scoring.
Thanks John. I believe two hands was a local change in this league. Mostly due to older shooters and the attempt to encourage more shooters, especially younger that are more comfortable with this style. Some of the more experienced shooters were reluctant to change at first, but I think went to it because of being able to score better. That’s just my guessing. Thanks. O.R.
Sad if this is what precision pistol shooting has came to. I completed in the 80s an coached two teams. My average was 590. Both teams average were 445 an a team average 565. Slow fire targets bullseye were same diameter as .22 bullet. One hand only. Not one shooter in this video took the first step in pistol marksmanship, which is a proper stance. This is a sad example of precision pistol formalities.
In International Standar pistol no 2 hands are allowed, and optical devices or red dot on pistol is forbidden, ando you start from a 45 angle arm position. 25 meters international pistol target.
One more question: Do most people shoot 2-handed or does anyone do the classic one-handed Bullseye stance? I imagine 2-handed is quite an advantage. Personally I'm lucky if I can keep them on the paper one-handed LOL
No problem Jeff, questions are welcome and may help others thinking about the same. The league here started allowing two hands several years ago. Some of the top scoring shooters claimed that higher scores could be done one hand. Gradually most, and possibly all, have gone with two and higher scores are being shot I believe. If one doesn’t practice holding a heavy weight like that of a geared up pistol, a single arm will fatigue. Especially in timed and rapid fire where resting is not an option. Some may disagree on this, but its the way I see it. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I feel that they needed to make this classic sport approachable, one handed shooting is difficult to learn and many new shooters would not be interested in trying Bullseye if one handed was the rule. many people will switch to one handed as a new challenge later and become more confidant. that's my two cent's worth. - Dave
I have always been a one handed shooter, I feel that is where the challenge lies.
I too thought that Bullseye was only offhand.
Some of us old guys with some colorful pasts have a bit of a natural shake so freestyle (2 hands) is a better idea for us.
beginners are better off shooting 2 hands to build confidence. Once they can put all of their shots into the black, then the training wheels will need to come off and shoot 1 handed for the match to count.
In our league you must shoot one handed, and no leaning or resting on anything. We shoot 30 round matches. 4 targets.....2 slow, and 1 each for timed and rapid.
Thanks for pointing that out. Most have always been one hand. Ours started to allow two hands a couple years back. I think a wise move as
the number of shooters has been going down, and allowing two hands
(some no doubt prefer one hand) I feel encourages shooters. I go back to when there were almost no scopes in use. Hard core iron sight shooters almost considered it cheating to use optics. Thanks again for pointing this out. O.R.
@Old Ranger lol. Yeah I'm one of those "old school" guys. BoMar ribs and sights, along with Clark triggers.
@@mikek8089 My only though is what happens when age of the eyes makes it pretty much impossible to focus on the sights. If you’re
lucky that will never happen. We know how important a good sight picture is, and not having that really takes the fun out. I pretty much stopped handgun shooting when it happened. No dots on black powder replica revolver matches. O.R.
@Old Ranger , You seem to do pretty darn good with your cap and ball revolvers! I've watched plenty of your videos where you were dropping those lead balls in nice little groups.👍
@@mikek8089 A few years back I asked the eye Dr about this and got glasses that have the right lens focus at arms length. The left is normal correction for nearsighted. I use these for shooting iron sights but removed during loading. Noticed lately that I was forgetting to take them off because I think my brain or something got used to them. Its not perfect because the target is blurred, but at least I can get a good sight picture. O.R.
Thanks for doing this video! Been wondering how bullseye shooting actually works.
Thanks Jeff. Was hoping that it might find a niche and be useful for anyone interested in getting a basic idea of what goes on. O.R.
The big problem with this video is that the shooters are using two hands. The NRA rule book says “one hand unsupported”.😅
Great video! Never seen a league quite like this. Goes to show that the .22 rim fire practice leads to great marksmanship.
Mountain man
Right on, and it provides something that can happen in the winter months. Interesting that my 22 league gun has probably seen more shooting than other guns that are more special to me. O.R.
And it helps pass the long, dark and cold Winter months when black powder shooting is more challenging 😥. O.R.
Our range closed about 10 years ago that held Wednesday night league. I shot bullseye for 30+ years, however I'm no longer active in it because of above reason. many 2700s I have attended. it does get in you blood as far as desire. good video, lots of fun, peace,- Dave.
Thanks Dave. Sorry to hear about closing. We used to have about 60-70 shooters when I started. Four local towns had teams that competed in the league. Used to shoot at the National Armories. The league is down to only one town, and maybe 15-18 active shooters. O.R.
Interesting to see a mix of one hand and two hands shooting. Is this something new! 😮
Can you explain how the scoring for an alibi works? Do they score all the extra shots, or just take the lowest 10 per target, or what?
Jeff, you take the 10 lowest on the timed or rapid, or the five lowest on the slow. In our league, we use 2 slow fire targets and change after 5 shots. The changing of the slow fire targets has more to do with centerfire guns, as (if you're skilled enough) one can blow out the center of the target, then cheat and "dump" the last 5 in the backstop. So, using 2 slow fire targets prevents a shooter from doing such antics.
@@mikek8089 That makes sense. thanks for the explanation.
@@jeffshootsstuff, I should've also stated that there really is no reason to call an alibi on slow fire, as one usually has plenty of time to clear a malfunction.
This is highly irregular as two hands are not used in proper competition. One hand only!
Thanks for this interesting video. - I have not shot this type of match since the '80's - back then we did not use any optical sights. I transitioned to IPSC style competition until advancing age has made me "useless" 😆😆.
Probably lucky that in school they didn’t teach us about what old age would be like. O.R.
I think your local league is leading the way there! I would love to see Precision Pistol everywhere including Camp Perry open a two handed class. Just as with the optics class it will bring in more competitors. The one hand only and iron sight only can still have a class. More trigger time for everyone is a good goal.
Point is well taken. I’ve always felt that if the bar is raised too high, lots of interested people will just say to heck with that. I remember a “civil war skirmish “ where someone got the stupid idea of challenging the pistol shooters by having them shoot at clays at 50 yards. Next match, most left their side guns at home, or never bothered to dirty them. No fun if all you do is miss, most know they are not top tier, but do like the feeling of connecting once in a while. Thanks for your input. O.R.
Is this an nra event? I'm in a shooting club in europe, we shoot only issf disciplines with 22lr. I would like to suggest this competition, as it can be shot with "normal" match pistols, i.e. no orthopedic grips.
@@leonda4817 Hi. Thanks for your comment. Are optics allowed in your competition? This is not NRA match. It is a local event that generally follows NRA rules, but can make changes on approval of members of the shooting league. It has become less strict to encourage shooters. There has been a downward enrollment during the last 40 years, so making the rules less strict is an attempt to keep the league active in this area of the state. O.R.
Ranger, what grip scope mount do you have on the high standard?
That was an AIMPOINT (old production). It says Jasmar on the side. Instruction sheet says for grip models 106-108. Apparently AIMPOINT search gives modern stuff. Did a search on Jasmar and did find a used one as of 9/6/23. O.R.
Where do I find the rules? I have a couple of 22's but they have been modified for Steel Challenge
You can google nra bullseye pistol rules. One site that explains basic information is palmettogunclub.org. O.R.
Sorry if I missed it in the video, but can anyone shoot with support hand? I thought Bullseye was one handed?
Traditionally that is correct. This league has ok’ed two hands. Couple reasons I believe is that it encourages younger shooters, especially those that have been trained to shoot this way. This helps, as many shooters won’t go with the more difficult disciplines. It also helps older shooters to feel and shoot some better and keeps them involved. O.R.
I agree, it probably does help newer and older shooters a lot. Getting new shooters into the traditional handgun sports is important.@@oldranger3044
Can you compete with a SA revolver? A Ruger Wrangler or Heritage Rough Rider?
Yes, no restrictions I am aware of. Doesn’t need to be a semi automatic, just that “top guns” looking for high scores use them. My brother competed for years using a double action S&W 4 inch model K. Of course it must be 22 cal. O.R.
I notice that all shooters are using a two-hand hold!?? All matches I’ve ever participated in was strictly off-hand hold encluding center-fire in a two-gun league. It’s been awhile for me and I don’t know of any rule or class changes that would effect the NRA scoring here. However, a great video of the process and scoring.
Thanks John. I believe two hands was a local change in this league. Mostly due to older shooters and the attempt to encourage more shooters, especially younger that are more comfortable with this style. Some of the more experienced shooters were reluctant to change at first, but I think went to it because of being able to score better. That’s just my guessing. Thanks. O.R.
Sad if this is what precision pistol shooting has came to. I completed in the 80s an coached two teams. My average was 590. Both teams average were 445 an a team average 565. Slow fire targets bullseye were same diameter as .22 bullet. One hand only. Not one shooter in this video took the first step in pistol marksmanship, which is a proper stance. This is a sad example of precision pistol formalities.
Even a 25ft slow fire target (TQ-6) has a 10 ring bigger than .221". What kind of targets are you referring?
In International Standar pistol no 2 hands are allowed, and optical devices or red dot on pistol is forbidden, ando you start from a 45 angle arm position. 25 meters international pistol target.
That's a nice range. Is it a club or a commercial range?
Hi Brian. Commercial. Fortunate to have it and that our local bullseye club can hold our weekly matches in the facility. O.R.
One more question: Do most people shoot 2-handed or does anyone do the classic one-handed Bullseye stance? I imagine 2-handed is quite an advantage. Personally I'm lucky if I can keep them on the paper one-handed LOL
No problem Jeff, questions are welcome and may help others thinking about the same. The league here started allowing two hands several years ago. Some of the top scoring shooters claimed that higher scores could be done one hand. Gradually most, and possibly all, have gone with two and higher scores are being shot I believe. If one doesn’t practice holding a heavy weight like that of a geared up pistol, a single arm will fatigue. Especially in timed and rapid fire where resting is not an option. Some may disagree on this, but its the way I see it. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I feel that they needed to make this classic sport approachable, one handed shooting is difficult to learn and many new shooters would not be interested in trying Bullseye if one handed was the rule. many people will switch to one handed as a new challenge later and become more confidant. that's my two cent's worth. - Dave
@@thorsaxe5881 Well spoken. O.R.
I shoot one handed and with open sight at 50 feet using a model 41
Uploaded a test video this afternoon
Optics on .22s interesting
For league
Bullseye comp is only fired w one hand n no resting against a bench. Everything else shown is correct.
Every WWI and WWII soldier be griping their 1911s and lugers and whatever else even more wrong and more dangerous then.