Surface Grinding with Steve Barton at Solid Rock Machine Shop
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- I got a visit from Steve Barton at Solid Rock Machine Shop here at my shop where he worked with me to fine tune my surface grinder and grinding skills. Here are some of the things that we did to improve my grinding as well as some cool new tools that Steve is making at his company.
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Two genuine enthusiasts who obviously hit it off. What's not to like? That DTI stand screams quality, I can see that from here...
Keith, I respect your craftsmanship, but after today I appreciate your hosting etiquette too.
Great video
I purchased both Solid Rock Machine Shops ,squaring block and squareness checker .
Currently I have them both on display on my living room coffee table .
Well worth the cost .
We're glad you like our products Jim!
Too pretty to use?!
I have several jobs in mind for my new instruments ,however for now just want to look at them
Another great video from a great team on a great subject. Thank You!!!
I'd love to see a video of grinding the chuck in and tuning up the grinder... thanks for the video!!
There is a lot of knowledge between these two guys ! I learned a lot from just this one video ! one of your best videos ! Loved it !
I love solid rocks videos. Really a tremendous resource
I really enjoyed this Keith. Thankyou.
Interesting video Keith,You've got the right man for surface grinding knowledge.
THANK YOU...for sharing.
Good stuff Keith and Steve! Thanks for the kind words.
ATB, Robin
Thanks Robin.
Thanks for your answer sir !!
Excellent video; learned a lot! Thanks!
Great job Keith, one of your best videos in which you were truly gracious to Steve and his clan. We can rest assured now that your straight edges will qualify as reference tools.
love seeing guest in your shop! Always a good time when two people can share knowledge and have fun in the process!
This is a good example of how RUclips can help people to expand their horizons with their craft. You two metal nerds are obviously excited about your craft and sharing your knowledge. Thanks guys, well done.
Adam: blink twice if you're being held hostage!
Great collaboration, Steve and Keith!
Nice job helping Keith. Steve and family on the travel have a great time.
Yes, I have great respect for a man who is not only technically very sound, but he has integrated his family into the business , Bravo for Solid Rock Machining!
@@howder1951 The Barton's are a wonderful family and are doing great work in there shop, very quality tools.
Thanks for the kind words Randy. We're enjoying our trip very much!
Steve certainly possesses a wealth of grinding knowledge and glad to know he is so willing to pass it on. He is the Grindapedia.
Thanks!
Just a great video what a great guy, helping out, leaving a legacy, sharing knowledge. Good old fashioned values that you seldom hear these days. Then wanting to make the best possible product for the family to learn on and continue to produce. Excellent we need more people like this in the world. Ant, Cid & the Pooch crew. (SV impavidus)
Keith, You and Steve rock... Great video, I learned a lot.
I appreciate the passion for the subject and pride of workmanship. It was nice to see the family behind the effort, too. You folks have a lot to be proud of. Many thanks for dropping scholarship on the subject.
Thanks.
You guys are next level. I love watching these types of videos. Shows me I have a lot to learn! Nice work guys. Love the products too.
Great video!!! Learned a ton! 👍
Great video...passing on real world knowledge.
Awesome video ...awesome friends
already been subscribed to his channel, he has a lot of knowledge about grinding and precision machining in general
What a great video Keith & Steve, I enjoyed so much visiting with both of you two years in a row at The Good of the Land Festival. Thanks for sharing things like this that most of us would never even think of really.
You're welcome Larry.
Really interesting starting point on a surface grinder. Great video.
great video guys!
Liked 👍 the video, before Keiths starter music ended! That’s the usual routine with his content!
Gray hair matters ( well, no hair, too )! Great video and a great family business. Thanks Keith, Greg.
Great Video.
Good man.
steve for the win!
I have a 1938 Singer Industrial sewing machine Model 111 W 113. It's 16 years older than me and still in good shape though much of the paint is worn off. I can't imagine how much was made on it during WWII. .
Steve is awesome and does top notch grinder work. I would say even better quality than the big names like Suburban tool. I have met Steve and his family several times and they are all great. Can't go wrong with any of their products.
Thanks for the kind words Brian, we really appreciate the friendship we developed over the few times we've gotten to meet with you and from our RUclips connection.
nice stuff and nice people, been watching them for a while now,
krazziee2000 sorry if you got a thumbs down notification, a complete accident.
@@littleworkshopofhorrors2395 its cool, no sweat, keep up the good work, thanks
Was a pleasure watching this enthusiastic presentation and learning some new tricks! I also recommend Steves channel, learned many things from his videos. Check out his method for truing up lathe chucks for a starter. Been doing it that way ever since.
Thanks Erik.
great video thanks gyes
Now that's salesmanship.
Nice family.
I would love to have Steve visit. I have a old Walker 6x12. Looks like the predecessor to a Harig 612. It needs some tuning.
Something quick (ish) that Could be made by you, Steve Barton that I’m surprised that you don’t is the precision ground bench stones. Maybe you wouldn’t want to step on Mr. Renzetti’s toes?!
Samuel Taylor My thoughts is. Machine shop work pays more than some ground stoned. Example. A guy with a cnc jig grinder can make upwards of $500 an hour. Stones are nice. Cash is king. Steve’s from Michigan and that tops to me. Mark from the east side of Michigan
What I found somewhat funny is my brother-in-law is also Steve Barton!
an infovert for solid rock products.
Wish there was a before and after shots of grinding.
That is some good help there. Do you have a wheel balancer for your grinding wheels?
Any updates on the Vulcan saddle tank?
20:50. I was thinking about the tolerance needed in that pin and thermal changes on those clearances. Then he says it isn't round... three points of contact. Talk about taking something over the top.
With that kind of system we wanted to make absolutely sure we got true readings with it.
one small kibitz since people say not enough surface grinding knowledge so here is one. I stopped putting parts on at an angle like that because the wheel digs in imperceptibly going on and off the corners. I put them on straight and even then I never go on and off the part with less than about 1/4 width of wheel. when approaching on final passes I specifically will crank over a good distance and come across and as I leave the part I will not feed the wheel totally off or the wheel cuts in. not important except for precision stuff. The other thing is I dont do like most grinding videos where they feed slowly across with small stepovers. Just like in cylindrical grinding the wheel going back and forth should be minimum of 1/3 the width of the wheel. If I was viewed such as on manual tool grinder such as harig 6-12 my hand hand is spinning pretty much as fast as I can go to utilize the entire wheel and outrace the heat front and lessen the pin cusion effect such as when grinding dry. It would be good to do a video on the pin cusion effect. another issue is I have no shop I simply go into mentor at garage shop he is setting up. I have made a couple videos but I am no youtube personality and refuse to stand in front of the camera speaking.
on the small cusps you saw on the parts that could quite well be out of balance if they were small. If large the wheel had shifted on the hub which are never tight enough. an out of balance wheel will in fact dress fine and produce good surfaces unless micro inspected. usually it does not matter for parts but for tooling it does and as the part smooths and is stoned the discrepancies will stand out more and more. on parts or tooling I do a shocking thing. I stone them off with my ruby stone which is precision flat. I then take scotchbrite and rub in the direction of the grain for a perfect satin velvet finish. often I may put a trace of wd40 and rub off with a cloth and they say "wow".
If he has no balancing setup such as an arbor I did make and sell them for various grinders but no profit in it. If the grinder can be identified with its taper which I have most of them I can make one and send it. To make balancing arbor get ground shaft such as 5/8ths or whatever. on manual lathe drill and ream 5/8 hole. Take that bushing made the correct length and jb weld it onto middle of shaft. Go back to lathe and chuck it up and cut taper on bushing. go to grinder chuck up on shaft and dust off bushing to exact angle (exact angle really is not needed since will be two contact anyway with middle relieved.) put arbor in hub with wheel tight it will be dedicated a person should have several hubs at least two with wheels mounted for years. put in arbor and tap into place no nut needed. balance wheel using stand of any type. hub is type cant balance it? I tape items such as washers on the back and balance. remove tape and jb weld them on on backside IT WORKS.
What did you do to grind in the mag chuck if you were not supposed to turn the magnet on to grind it in
an option for the squaring block is for the poor people or those starting out to sell it heat treated but not ground so the person can step grind it square themselves. possibly at even more discount with just a few tapped holes. the indicator stand is the best I use the same principle but in emergency in new shop with no true grinding tools I cnc a big 20 inch radius on end and reamed 3/4 hole so the block slides up and down with set screw on 3/4 shaft and put my original indicator head on it for squaring. block is just mild steel but was emergency get by. I used it there to step grind stuff square.
For a person with that kind of money what he says is true for that precision and everything he put in there that if he was not more mass producing them that total stand setup would be in the THOUSANDS of course. Good deals can be gotten on specialty tools such as that one that were "labor of love situation".
scary thing about the squaring block is that actually a person should have TWO in which case you put both on chuck and slide one out leaving a gap. Turn on electric chuck and for squaring up ends parts then snap into place no clamps but a stop on the bottom is suggested. The standard trick is a couple 1-2-3 blocks for squaring up ends dead nuts like for mold components.
The miteebite style vice jaws are great I made some and the teeth that go in the slots for roughing.
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I can see paranoia setting in at any moment now. LOL Those parallels would make nice panelbeating dollies. Keith shrieks.
on the diamond dresser I no longer use that standard diamond I switched totally and permanently to those sintered diamond things they sell for dressing benchtop wheels. I have several and can send you a couple to test you will be impressed..you take off the handle and throw it away and simply put the head in a tiny junky vice or whatever or even a slot with set screws in a piece of scrap. you now have thousands of diamonds which only the highest tiny diamond truly leaves the final dress.
of course single point diamond has to be used for certain cases or dressing off side of wheel or dressing radii. but the single points I am going to sell some of mine and the others just sit in a drawer unused. They just round off anyway and dress a taper on the wheel especially if new and sharp. If younger I would move to the area and have you give me a try big problem I am 68 so my time is done.
21:54 420 !
What is the best way to keep corrosion at bay on precision steel like this? Is there a special oil? What about things like tap and dies?
Keep it out of high humidity areas. The DC53 is good because it has a high chrome content, we use a Liquid Wrench silicone spray. We don't do anything for taps, ours have a special black oxide treatment on them. We don't use dies but the regular cutting oil from use on dies should keep them in good shape.
50 Million Indicator, ach das Imperial System muss man einfach lieben ^^
Our water boils at 212 degrees too! LOL!
50 millionths is within 1.27 microns.
OK, so most of this went over my head. I don't care. It is fascinating what the thought process is to eliminate "microscopic" errors in your machining and setups.
I NEED YOUR HELP I have a 1972 Ammco rotor lathe a hustler 7000. I need a new name plate that goes on the top of the main casting along with the 4 pins that hold it where do I get the parts ?
www.vonindustrial.com/ Tom Utley
Solid Rock sticker shock @ 19:20...
a couple of tenths with Keith is about +/- 1/4 of an inch .....lol
How do you compensate for the stone changing diameter as you grind ?
Final passes are done with absolute minimal material removal. Dress the wheel, and creep away. Hence why it is time consuming to do achieve high tolerances.
What Shain said.
Great video.
I will save up for a set of the Kurt vise products you introduced Steve.
Adam, you are one lucky guy to be able to learn from your father the Master.
I have a 618 Micromaster that is in great shape....I think. Now you got me thinking I need to make sure.
Thank you both.
You're welcome! Keep an eye on our RUclips channel, we're hoping to come out with pricing on the vise product in the next couple weeks.
Steve; I know you are just getting started making precision instruments. As you expand your product line and get a Website to advertise, you should look into the possibility of getting a CNC milling machine for production purposes. I realize they cost thousands of dollars, but some of them can mill on seven different axes. I don't know if payment plans are offered or not, but this is just a suggestion for down the road.
If you watch Steves channel you will see he has a milling machine beat all to pieces. He has special jigs for doing most of the work as saw cuts and saves the off cuts for making more parts. Highly efficient and fast! :-)
That's our future wishlist but in the meantime we'll probably outsource a few things.
I have a 120 lbs wrought iron anvil that needs to be flattened. Would it be reasonable for me to ask my local job shop if they would grind it?
Yea, but I don't know what it would cost. That magnetic chuck Keith had on his machine easily weighed that. If they have a big enough grinder they could do it.
It is a fine idea, but in reality I can't imagine why an anvil would need to be precision ground.
how much is the big set up cube?
Those are $975. They are made out of DC-53 60-62 RC with cryogenic deep freeze process. They are 2.5" X 5" X 5". They are flat parallel and square less than
.0001 in 5".
I wish more old timers with a lot of machine knowledge had a way of giving hands-on sharing machining. Its a shame seeing old machines get scrapped because nobody in the family wants the machines, and nobody near them even knew they existed.
those kids just walked right out of the video like forget this lol they didt care
some people like being in front of a camera. other people prefer to be behind it. there's no shame in either path.
as always thanks for the videos , i only fail if i fail to learn something ;] off topic but sort of addressed by mr barton in wanting to pass his knowledge along , being roughly the same age have you observed that when younger there were more people with more areas of basic knowledge "common sense stuff" than there are today for instance herbology could you identify edible plants in the wild or know of there medicinal properties and yet even 75 years ago most had a far greater awareness , i havent posed or worded this well and i hope it is coherent and i wonder if you and others have noticed a general decline in knowledge ? ps i failed to learn spelling lol
Yes, I have in a lot of areas. I often see it in the fields, there's a book smarts but there's a lack of experience. Knowledge by itself just doesn't cut it, you gotta have the comprehension. I see there's 3 levels of learning, you need to achieve all three. Knowledge is the starting point, you have understanding and comprehension which is the second stage of learning and you have wisdom which is the third stage of learning, which a person already has the knowledge of what he's doing, he has the understanding and comprehension of what's being done and he has the experience where he's done this so many times he makes it look easy. In today's world it seems like for whatever reason our learning is stopping at the knowledge level and is not progressing and I think that's what the problem is.
@@SolidRockMachineShopInc eloquently put sir and i agree but i think we specialize and rely on technology too much to have a thorough understanding of all the fields of knowledge we should
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Though, it is now obvious, who would have thought the table inertia could be a problem... nothing is stationary.
Good Grief ... Steve has WAY TOO MUCH ENERGY
I don't know who else would do that for 850, that's a bargain
Yea, when you compare the amount of work that goes into the product it really is a bargain. We know it's a lot of money, we're not making our shop rate on this item but we'll offer it at this price for as long as we can.
Yes, when he said $750, I was thinking about ALL the parts on that stand and was thinking that was a bargain.
I wonder if the next abandoned machine, tenderly wrapped in swaddling clothes and left in a basket at the shop's doorstep submitted for adoption, might be a cylindrical grinder.
Economic slavery is a good name for it
I'm glad Steve thinks Keith is at the beginner level. Someday, Keith may be almost professional.
Keith has excellent skills in a lot of areas that I don't even posses! When it comes to grinding I just wanted to give Keith a few pointers to help him out.
Steve, you NEED to get a web store up! That "email us" stuff isn't good enough. I guarantee you are losing sales. You need to have your entire product line showcased there, even for things that aren't in stock. You can provide an estimate of when things will be back in stock, and take pre-orders. And if you have a long waiting line for items, you need to figure out how to ramp up production and make those sales before you lose them. You are making great products that people want, so don't stifle it with the business side of things.
It will come in time. We're focusing on ways to get products out faster. If we lose sales we know we will make it up in the future.
Definitely tools (instruments!) that you want to keep away from ... the hands of inquisitive 2-3 year old children ... teen age boys in their first car ... out of the sun in an enclosed vehicle ... and cats ... (add your own "bane of tools" below)
Why use a grinder if you can use a shaper? (Not a machinist)
$975 for that? Its full of holes?!
maggs131 you don’t have to pay extra for that!
@@samueltaylor4989 oh well then ill take 2 dozen
Lost me at 7:00 with the repetition
it got better
Wow why have utube made it difficult to make a comment?
Any way. If your only 60 years old. And you think that your near the end of your life. I'm so screwed.
I'm older than you.
Hay bud don't give up yet ok. M
I haven't given up, I just know that statistically I'm about 3/4 dead. I think this way because it lets me know how much time I have left to leave an impact with my family.
Ok. Me too I think. M