GROWING TURKEY TAIL MUSHROOM ON SAWDUST BLOCKS, Monotub Setup, Tips & Tricks from Start to Finish
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2021
- An in-depth discussion of growing Turkey Tail mushroom on sawdust blocks made via our pasteurized pellet fuel method. I cover tips and tricks we've learned over the years for growing huge natural looking caps in a simple monotub setup.
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Once again, perfect explanation & demonstration! Thank you!
Awesome , great video great narration as well !
Great detailed explanation thanks a ton
Great video as always
Thanks for the video!
In my experience, after they grow out their fans, you can lower the temp and they will thicken up a LOT.
What temps? Growing and to get them to thicken.
Sometimes replies don't always make it to the notifications here, but I too am curious what temps you use for growing and for thickening
@@ScottWConvid19 fruiting temperature range: 50-80° F. and indoor incubation temperature: 50-60° F. Spawn run will occur outdoors at temperature above 50° F.
I did with 40 F for 3 days in roll each 8 days good luck with you experiment I'm happy with it but I know more then before @@timothylongmore7325
Would I be able to use the turkey tail from outside and grow it inside? And would I be able to do that even tho they're dried?
Very cool! Thanks!
Fantastic ‼️👍
Hey bruv mush love for the vid. I got a lil tip i have learned as well. So if you can get some type of stiff box (i use a Styrofoam cooler) and after adding spawn and seal, pack into roughly a block shape. Then place spawn bulk blocks into container making sure to wedge them in order to semi-compress into the perfect shaped block. i can fit 4 perfectly inside a 12"x 18" container. the blocks come out so perfect they look like bricks lol. I found this helps with that pocket issue between the bag and substrate. Try it! it's the best thing if you have Ocd with that kind of stuff like me and want perfect blocks everytime. Also Species of mushrooms like this will thank you immensely. Mushlove Shroomie
Great tip, I will try that. Mush love 👍
The thing with mold is kinda right, and what you did surely helps - but you could also up the FAE as mold needs stagnant air and/or higher temps. Higher FAE lowers the temperature and shouldn't let it stick. I'll try your method in a monotub vs humidity 3-4 x 15mins a day with a fan on. Also a shotgun fruiting chamber might help as air is exchanged a little bit everywhere. You can add a humidifier to compensate when needed, or spray by hand, or lay some perlite on the ground under the blocks (i sterilise it before using it so it hydrates, which also allows me to reuse it). If the tub has a sealed lid, you could even cover the holes with micropore, put it outside and let the wind do the thing
It's also way easier to clean a tub or two, than it is to clean an entire fruiting chamber between flushes or grows. Lots of ways to achieve victory, but I'm liking the tub setups for small grows.
Love the video. Thanks for the information! I saw in other comments, that you use about 1.5lbs of grain spawn to immaculate the blocks. Do you know how many QT jars that equals out to be?
I always just use 1 quart jar per block. They hold about 1 lb. of spawn, usually a little more.
@@RenegadeMushrooms wonderful! Thanks for the info! I'm gonna be trying this method out myself very soon and this will be my first time working with sawdust blocks. Very excited. Mush love man!
I'm scared to try turkey tail on blocks I feel like I'm going to fail but good job man they look great
They're actually fairly easy if you get a good strain. The "wild" strain from Mycelium Emporium is pretty user friendly.
Don't be scared. Whats the worst to happen? It doesn't fruit? You get a contamination? Risk < reward
Hey, if you succeed, you have what you want. But if you don't, at the bare minimum, you can charge your worm bin or compost pile with more carbon material!
Very Nice Grow. Did you put LC to Grain spawn then Innoculate the saw dust or did you Inject the LC into the bags?
For all my sawdust grows I go LC, to grain spawn, to pasteurized wood fuel pellets. Thanks for watching 👍
I have a few pecan trunk pieces that are covered with turkey tail. Way better than the devil fingers in the back yard, lol!
Indeed 👍
very cool. I am just launching into this with a kit of Lion's Mane and Pink Oyster. I am going to use these as spawn in an aspen shaving or straw substrate in buckets, to increase the yield. I have also some Elm Oyster liquid culture which I want to multiply up into 2 cups of LC, then from there make some jars of grain spawn to inoculate a couple buckets in turn. These are my goals for wintertime initiation into this fascinating world.
After these projects, I plan to try my hand at Turkey Tail, Reishi, and Wine Cap, as well as learning to work with inoculating my own grow bags. I am already familiar with making tinctures and concentrates, as well as being a bit of a foodie in the kitchen. So, this will be fun.
Sounds like you have plenty of projects planned to keep you busy for the winter and then some. You will have fun, just remember that some failures are inevitable. Take them all in stride and treat it as a learning experience.
Nice. I got my turkey tail as an extra stringe from mycelium emporium. They have soo much strains!.
What temp do you have the block in during colonization?
My basement runs between 60 and 70F depending on season, but they grow fine in that range.
Anyone else see a baby on the top of the 1st sawdust stack? I can't unsee it lol!
Do you ever cold water dunk for 12 hrs and/or give a resting period between flushes? I'm growing a very energetic strain of turkey tail and red reishi among others. have some 6 lb blocks started colonizing 5-17-22. Im glad i saw this video since i wasn't sure how to cut the bags. would red reishi be the same?
I don't dunk or use a resting period with Turkey Tail or Reishi, I just keep them in fruiting conditions and let them do their thing. For Reishi, I don't do the slits, I just cut the top of the bag off. I demonstrate in this video:
ruclips.net/video/Ij9RBeJ0PHE/видео.html
Do you use the same method for oysters with the horizontal slits? Or does it not matter?
Actually, I cut smaller 1 to 2 inch X-shaped slits when doing oysters.
Would you also do this horizontal slit with Chicken of the woods and reshi?
I prefer to top fruit Reishi. I have videos on my channel documenting my Reishi grow TEK. Chicken of the Woods are difficult and not commonly cultivated indoors. You'll have better luck shallowly burying your COW blocks outdoors.
Have you looked at Paul Stamets turkey tail mycelium benefits, just like lions mane, the mycelium is just as powerful if not more so. So try make tinctures of those popcorn spots
Great suggestion. Yes, Paul does great work and I've read all his books and a lot of his research.
Hey I just grew my first flush of Turkey tail mushrooms. Do I tape off the cuts and recut another’s section for the second flush or let it grow out in same spot. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks
You kinda have to play it by ear. Usually the will fruit back out the same slits, but sometimes the slits will stall and they will push hard against the plastic in other areas. If that happens I cut a couple more slits.
Could you do master mix blocks with soy hulls for turkeys tail or is it better to run the bran for the lower Nutritional value
I've seen nice flushes on 30% masters mix, but the general school of thought is that Turkey Tail doesn't benefit as much from the supplementation because it's so efficient at breaking down sawdust.
Hey, thanks for the video, Is this masters mix substrate?
No, these were made using my standard pasteurized fuel pellet recipe I show in this video:
ruclips.net/video/HD_k-dAyE5Y/видео.html
Thanks for watching 👍
@@RenegadeMushrooms many thanks for your response. Much appreciated, i've been mainly growing oysters but I want to move into medicinal. Thanks!
Is there a specific Wheat I should look for. What specifically should I ask the grain supplier so I get the most quality wheat for this process?
I just buy cheap wheat for chicken feed. It has a little bit of other grains mixed in but it works great. Wheat or Rye are my personal favorites. If you want super clean organic grain you're going to pay for it.
I would like to grow this. What type of spawn from Mycilium Emporium did you get. Did you get the liquid culture? Also, what size of blocks did you make and how much fuel pellets did you use. I can't wait to try....
Wild strain from ME.
For fruiting blocks, start with 2 lbs. of dry pellets and a pinch of gypsum, add equal displacement as your 2 lbs. dry pellets of boiling water to pasteurize as shown in the video. I recommend using grain spawn for fruiting blocks once they are cooled as grain gives a nice nitrogen boost. I typically go 1 to 1.5 lbs. of grain spawn for each block.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Wow, I usually use about 2/3 to maybe 3/4 cup of grain spawn per 10 pound bag. With grain spawn costing about $25 per bag, isn't that quite costly. Can you please help me understand why you decided it was best to use so much spawn per block. I'm thinking you are using 5 pound blocks. Is that correct. Is it driven by the fact you use a pasteurization process? I use sterilized bags, but you rather not have to go through so much work and overhead costs.
@@aprilcummings3220 Wheat is cheap here, $15 per 50 lb. bag. You can use less and still have success, but you can't use nitrogen rich supplements with pasteurization, so I shoot for at least 1 lb. per block (my blocks end up around 7 lbs.) to add nitrogen and get a fast spawn run.
@@RenegadeMushrooms That's a lot of water weight, yeah? 2 lbs of pellets, 1 lb grain, and negligible gypsum come out to 7 lbs!
@@doelbaughman1924 Yes indeed, for pasteurization, my standard fruiting block recipe is 2 lbs. pellets, 3 lbs. water, 1 lb. spawn.
Hey man, hope you're doing well. Just wondering about the mycelium on the grain Spawn.
Question - Is it normal for turkey tail to develop like like tan ish stuff to the mycelium? I've got a bit going and it seemed like extremely quick to colonize and then a bit of tan stuff going on.
Tan is not normal for Turkey Tail in my experience. The only species that turns tan that I've grown are Morels. Could be an issue with your culture???
@@RenegadeMushrooms bummer..... yeah it's probably a mistake on my behalf along the way. It's probably a good clean culture (or was). From Mycelium Emporium. I'll grow them some day I'm sure
@@tylerallen9856 If you contact Lenny at Mycelium Emporium and explain the situation, he may be able to help you out. They have some good Turkey Tail strains. Don't give up.
@@RenegadeMushroomsyeah I definitely want to grow turkey tail so I'm sure I will. I tend to get too many projects going at once so I'm thinking contam on my part. Possibly my grain bag which I make. Usually no issues with my sterile technique. I just recently saw my two 5lb lions mane blocks start to popcorn.....I'm like wtf? Then I'm like how is there still no Lions popping up then the browning starts and I'm like oh yeah...... mislabeled shitake. Which is cool cause it was the plan to grow them.
Lenny's stuff is great. One of the lions mane like fruited in the jar which looks absolutely amazing the others I just G2G'd them into more jars to buy some time
@@RenegadeMushrooms my turkey tail popcorns tan as well and I’ve had em grow out just fine
I'm wondering if a small bowl or pan with water in it can be set inside the bin for moisture.
There are better ways. Simply misting the sides of the tub a couple of times a day or putting moist sponges in there will do a better job.
If we clean the tubs with a vinegar solution will it have a negative impact on the turkey tail growth?
No, it's fine to clean with vinegar. As with any cleaning agent though, make sure everything is wiped clean and air dried before adding blocks back to the containers.
I have a block of turkey tail growing now it's about 2 weeks it's all white. My question is how long before I could put it into fruiting conditions and what is the best temperature for fruiting?
I fruit them between 62 - 70 F. Your block should start "blistering" soon. It will start to make hard smooth little blisters or bumps on the surface of the block. Once that happens, I cut my slits and move to fruiting. I'm growing the "wild" strain from Mycelium Emporium.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Not sure what strain I’m growing, I got it from Root Mushroom Farm. It is fast. I grow 11 other varieties of gourmet mushrooms.
@@kicknadeadcat Very cool, it's tough for me to give you definite advice having never grown that particular strain, but keep an eye out for those hard little growths on the surface of the block.
A bit late here but just wondering how long it took your Turkey tail to fruit once you put it in your grow room?
How long do you fruit for? I’ve heard 6 months, mine have been going for 2 months and look similar size to yours.
For each flush, I would say it was about 4 to 5 weeks from pinning to picking at 65 F for the strain I was growing.
Do you sterilise your wood blocks, what type of wood (if known), do you supplement them, and what with if you do?
All of my grow blocks are pasteurized hardwood fuel pellets (wood type unknown). I don't sterilize sawdust, only pasteurize. You can supplement with wheat bran up to 10% with pasteurization, but I typically don't with Turkey Tail because they don't seem to benefit from the extra nitrogen as much as other mushrooms. I use 1 lb. of wheat spawn for every sawdust block so I spawn heavy. My finished fruiting blocks are around 6 lbs.
I have some different logs in the yard, and a pecan log is covered with turkey tail.
@@jonathanryals9934 I'm trying to grow tt on about 15 short logs and the flush on some birch poles next to them had more mushroom than the ones I'm trying to grow.
I just found the wild turkey tail strain at Mushroom Emporium. It comes in syringes. I have only used grain spawn at this point. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think I would have to take the mycilium from from the seringe and then will need to make grain spawn from it. What medium do I use to make the grain spawn? Do you recommend the hard wood pellets, or do I use a specific grain using your pasturization process?
That is the strain I used and yes I started with a LC syringe. I just released a video today explaining exactly how I make my grain spawn using wheat and a LC syringe.
Thanks, I just watched it.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Do you use Wheat Pellets for all the Spawn you make? Or is it based on the strain of the mushroom?
Since I'm purchasing LC syringes now, are there any types of mushrooms you recommend I can purchase and use your process. I might as well as get the package with 5 different types of mushrooms.
@@aprilcummings3220 Wheat for everything because it is cheap and readily available in my area.
When I harvest my Turkey Tails, can I also harvest and use the blobby growth as well?
I would if you're just using it for yourself. It's just dense bundles of mycelium, same as the normal shaped fruits.
@@RenegadeMushrooms thank you!
Question: why do you not allow them to grow bigger? Why do you only do 2 rows? Can you cut more rows to grow bigger and more heads?
If you cut more slits, you get more smaller mushrooms. In the end the yield is the same. It's easier to harvest less, but bigger mushrooms.
Instead of tubs, can I grow it in a 65 to 70 degree fruiting room at 90 percent humidity?
Absolutely.
what humidity lvl do you use and how much Co2 can they tolerate?
I show my setup and explain humidification in the video, but they aren't as sensitive to CO2 as others. I'm using a vented storage tote and flooding them with visible mist for an hour or two a day only.
how long did the fruiting process take from cutting the bags?
On average I would say 5 to 6 weeks.
so I finally have fruits on my turkey tail block, but how do I know when they're ready to harvest ??
Let them grow until they flatten out and make nice fans. The cream colored outer edge will not be as wide, and they will slow way down in growth. That's when I pick them.
I'm curious, why would you cultivate mushrooms like Reishi and Turkey Tail that are so prolific in the wild, locally?
When I sold mushrooms, I grew antler style Reishi because they were very different from the wild and customers liked them. Turkey Tail actually yield pretty well on sawdust and are a lot cleaner and easier to harvest than their wild brethren. I find a ton of wild Maitake around here, I'm sure you do too. They are always full of bugs and debris. Cultivated are pristine. It's all what you feel like putting effort into really. I had no issue selling all of my cultivated and wild picked Reishi and Turkey Tail. Now I just do it for fun.
Silly question, can you cultivate turkey tail in a mono tub? Or only on blocks?
I think you can grow about anything in a monotub, but the question is, is it practical? For Turkey Tail, I don't think it is because of its fruiting habits.
@@RenegadeMushrooms What about it's fruiting habits is not compatible?
@@charlesdarwin1467 They actually top fruit really well, but I think harvesting would be difficult. You would have tons of top fruiting florets and, given free reign, Turkey Tail tenaciously attaches to the substrate. I think you would wreck the top layer of substrate during harvest, and would have to do a lot of trimming to remove sub from the fruit clusters. It's worth a try though. It would be an interesting experiment 👍
How well does masters mix do with them?
Never tried it personally, but I've seen some nice grows on master's mix with the commercial Turkey Tail strain from Mycelium Emporium.
For what reason do you grow these mushrooms? I am looking to grow for cancer treatment. Anyone have any advice of luck doing this?
They are commonly used medicinally for that purpose, there is a lot of research out there. I use them to make medicinal extractions and also sell them to others that do the same.
Do you use chaga as well?
How much time from inoculation to fruiting?
About 3 weeks with 1 lb. of grain spawn per block. When they start to blister or "popcorn" they are ready to fruit.
I'm sorry did you say what size block that is? I used to think I would never need to grow turkey tail because it's so abundant. But then last year we hardly found any and it's one of my best sellers
My finished blocks are about 6 lbs. 5 lbs. of substrate, 1 lb. of spawn.
I'm in northern ny and I've been shrooming 5-6 years and have never found or any large ones. That's why I'm here. Tried growing them outside too with Fungi-perfecti strain. They colonized ok , started to fruit , then stalled out. Dry summer , cold fall. I did water often though.
Hi how long did it take for you to grow these turkey tail mushrooms
7 to 8 weeks from inoculation to picking.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Alright thank you very much for the quick response I am following your page I was watching a video and someone was saying turkey tails grow in 4 or 5 months
@@kemaltasyurek I use 1 lb. of grain spawn for each sawdust block, which would be considered a heavy spawn rate. If you do the same, you will see mushrooms in 7 to 8 weeks with a good strain.
@@RenegadeMushrooms that's very smart. Thank you for giving your time to answer.
@@kemaltasyurek I have also noticed this, "False & discouraging info being thrown around". Especially by those who- "are ATTEMPTING to make a business out of growing mushrooms".
(Their OWN ego- is "in the way". Which, in the long run- CAN & WILL ONLY, "hurt them".)
I strongly believe that this is due to the fact that many people, "believe" that just because they tell you/us, "a longer than what it factually takes to grow them- time frame"...
(Mainly, bc they "believe" that THEY- "ARE the ONLY ones who CAN grow them.." plus the fact that if YOU/others learn these processes- you'll have no need to buy from them then. They won't be able to make money off of you.)
I very much appreciate what this gentlemen has put forth, [in terms of info, tips, strategies, etc] ..helping people, rather than following & keeping up with the whole, "pay-ME-if-you-want-to-know" & the "holding-info-hostage-for-profit", idi-ologys...
This is just the 3rd video I've watched of his, but DEF- subscribed!
I have heard mixed "reviews" on the Mycelium Emporium shop on Etsy, which is the only reason I've been hesitant to grow ones from others.. and honestly, it's a breath of fresh air- KNOWING that others have also bought & grown, WITH amazing success from M.E.!
Thank you @GhostPipeMushrooms for sharing "Mycelium Emporium", so that I could FINALLY, "decide to go in".
Also, thanks for all of your help, guidance & your "knack-for-breaking-the-'rules'.." has not only "SHOWN, but PROVEN" just what kind of person you are for doing as much as you have and sharing it with everyone! (Instead of those who CLAIM, "to BE- 1 way on the fake social media world" meanwhile, they're the complete opposite- IRL.
If no one has expressed this to you yet, I- appreciate you! I appreciate everything you HAVE done, everything you continue to do and all that [I- KNOW] you WILL do!
(*Runs to Mycelium Emporium to order my syringes I've had in my basket: Turkey Tail, Reishii, Shiitaki's & more K.O's.!*)
K.O.'s are the only other ones besides the wild mushrooms, that I have worked with thus far. I used to buy them, but found out the 2 "Company's" that I bought from, ONLY had "trace elements" of the Turkey Tail, Loins Mane & Chaga. (4th & 5th party tested- no "invested interest" [like "Corp's" DO] to feel the need to lie about the results.)
What kind of dehydrator is that🦃❤️🧫🦓
I have two Excalibur 9 tray dehydrators and I love them. I can do about 10 lbs. of mushrooms in one run.
Do you sell any of your used sawdust blocks?
No, not currently.
Damn my mycelium/block isn’t nearly as white as these bad boys, I’m thinking I didn’t use nearly enough spawn. It’s a learning process!
I spawn pretty heavy, about 1.5 lb. grain per block. Some strains are definitely more aggressive as well. The "Wild" strain from Mycelium Emporium is very nice.
Can you use LEDs?
Also, not trying to be ugly, but cold brook shipping is insanely high. $10 for a half pound. That's a few bucks at the post office. Sorry. I purchased this one time just to try it out but do you mind mentioning that to him. Again, sorry 😞
Yes, I'm actually using LEDs nowadays. 6500 K.
@@jenniferlindley4605 I will let him know, but I know when I was selling on Etsy, the cheapest shipping I had was $8.00. I think small flat rate boxes are $8+ dollars now if that's what he's using to ship. I think he also offers free shipping if you spend over $30 right? Maybe it's changed.
I’m planning on starting a channel on you tube. Is it ok if I reference your channel?
Sure, that would be great. Let me know too once your channel is up and running so I can sub you 👍
What total harvest weight
Generally about 1 lb. per block over 4 flushes.
1000th Like to Healing :)
Not trying to be insulting at all but that just doesn't seem like many mushrooms for the size of the pack?
Yes, Turkey Tail fresh yields are relatively low when compared to commonly cultivated gourmet mushrooms. However, their water content is very low compared to other mushrooms, many of which are up near 90% water. So, when you factor that in, the dried yield is actually not bad. Turkey tail is commonly sold and used medicinally, so dried is the way to go.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Turkey Tail basically saved my life from Kidney disease. I have Lupus and was seriously ill with vomiting and the long list of other symptoms all from Kidneys. I found out about Turkey Tail when searching natural remedies for Lupus an autoimmune disease. It's nothing short of a miracle how much better my health is because of Mushrooms! #MushroomFantasies #GodsPharamcy
But.. Why? You shouldn't eat them.. 🤔
Turkey Tail mushrooms are not edible, but they are highly prized for their medicinal qualities. They are typically brewed into a medicinal tea or tincture.
@@flaparoundfpv8632 what do they taste like?
@@HalfHalfLife Türkiye!