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Overtime: Matt Schlapp, Noah Rothman, Jonathan Alter, Michael Steele, Mary Katharine Ham (HBO)
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Holy shit, the shoulders on Mary Katharine Ham.
I said this in the other video too.
Q: "Does Manafort's sentencing reveal racial bias in criminal justice"
Panel for the next 5 min: "Social Justice is destroying America"
Bill needs to learn to reign in his impulses. Any guest can just completely avoid ANY question by just bashing SJW's and Bill will be happily strung along.
Ket Well the guy loves free speech to a fault. The act of saying horrible things is less bad than pointing out how people are hurt by that rhetoric because “sensitive feelings” or whatnot
they absolutely avoided the the manafort question which was one on the best questions in overtime and it got steam rolled. what a shame bc I wanted to hear the answers on the racial bias because there clearly is.
The racial bias is part of the status quo- rightwing sjw system. But oh no! Lets have a total freakout about college kids getting out of line sometimes (in an honest effort to do good). Bill has essentially bough this conservative stereotype of the horrible "sjws" because he has been a comfy millionaire for decades and lost touch
@Obwon Kenobe nice source list, many thanks!
Man.... sometimes the comment section comes through, I appreciate you.
Dang she be working out those guns
I am independent, leaning towards the democrats and I want to write here a few things about state of our country and politics, because I can't take it anymore. Bill's pograms are so stimulating for me, they always provoke me to think more intensively, but in the current situation, it comes to extremes.
The situation is like a nightmare. The country is divided terribly, everyone yells at each other on twitter.
For the first time, I am going to vote for Democrats, because I can't stand what the current GOP has done with this country, with our values, with the social fabric. And no, don't answer me that ''two sides'' are guilty. No. Facts are facts. Current GOP is a mafia, a criminal organization and a cult, with Trump as their God. They are insane.
The first thing I can't stand - hypocrisy and projection, because conservatives do / say things that they accuse democrats / liberals of.
Trumptards, like a broken record, repeat that they have enough of 'rich celebrities' who talk about politics or how people should vote.
So whether a person is successful actor/artist, this person has the full right to express opinions when he/she wants and how he/she likes it, because they are not some imaginary/fake people, but the same people as you&me, in the end acting / writing music etc. is a job, yes, you can get very rich in show-business, just like in sports, in banking or setting up your own company, but that does not change the fact that these famous people are just people first, with rights, like everyone, right to free speech and opinions. Even foreign actors are also often citizens of this country (even if they were not born here, many have citizenship, children who were born here) who pay taxes (unlike Trump) and have full rights, just as CEOS, doctors, taxi drivers, secretaries, etc. So You, Trumptards, you have no right to say who can give an opinion and who can't !! This is not (yet) a dictatorship.
I laugh at the irony that you - who chose as the president, the rich celebrity Trump - forbid other celebrities to speak in the public debate. Famous people have always been involved in various debates, not only political ones. And there is something else.
''None of the stupid celebrities even understand what it feels like to be low middle class person'' - Trumptards often whine. Do you know that many, in fact majority of the best actors come from great poverty or lower class ? Read their stories!! Marlon Brando - his father was an alcoholic, the family was poor, Hilary Swank with family lived in a trailer park, Christian Bale - he started acting, coz in fact he was only source of income in his family for a long time, he was child actor, but it was no fun at all, he had to provide for the entire family since he was very young, because his mother lost her job as a circus performer and his father struggled too, and there are countless stories like these, among actors !! If someone thinks, that the work of an actor / in show business is easy, let them ask child stars. It's a very hard job, often 24/7 night and day, physically and emotionally damaging. So actors in majority, actually know perfectly well what they are talking about, because they worked hard for their success, unlike Trump, who got millions from his daddy and never had to worry about the money. It's you, Trump fanatics, who elected as the president a rich celebrity, a guy who has never built anything himself !!
Ivanka - spoiled brat, who got everything from her daddy, who is himself spoiled brat. In this family, no one knows what real, hard work means. They made a fortune on real estate scams, and now they eat gold for breakfast, and if it were not for their corruption and lies (everyone who is from New York, knows Trumps are guilty of tax offenses/crimes for decades, it will eventually come out) - they would only be guilty of shallow consciousness and bad taste. But Trump and his family of criminals are destroying the social fabric of this country, democracy, freedom of the press, which is the daily target of the attacks of this idiot president. And his daughter, as someone here has already noticed, is a pseudo-intellectual, who has learned only a little better than her father to pretend to be someone she is not. She can construct long sentences that make sense in contrast to her daddy, but she is completely devoid of empathy, sense of morality , truth and real duty, just like her daddy. There is a perfect description of Trump, circulating on the internet, which is in fact suitable for his whole family: ''Trump is a dumb man's idea of a smart man, a poor man's idea of a rich man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man''.
But the hypocrisy of Trump fanatics and conservatives in general, doesn't end here. Because the core lies in what this clown is doing with this country, with norms, democracy, not to mention that he lies day after day. And so many idiots still believe him!
The underlying problem is what Barry Goldwater said about the affect of Evangelicals in politics: because religious institutions are not interested in debate or discussion due to the existence of fixed dogma and doctrine, it means that when this mindset is mixed with politics compromise will become a dirty word. You can't compromise on the Bible, and therefore you cannot compromise on conservatism because conservatism = Christianity (in their mind). What's needed is better education, but how do you educate people who think they are already fully informed and in the know?
Also, I understand his supporters will largely remain loyal to him until the bitter end. Two reasons: Trump's real appeal to his supporters isn't the policies he's pushed and failed to enact, it's the fact that he is the avatar for all of his supporters hatred and bigotry; His followers know two things. 1) Trump is "owning the libs."and (2) no one likes to admit that they've been conned.
the GOP is actively recruiting fascists and white supremacists into their ranks. This is the natural progression from Goldwater's, then Nixon's, "Southern Strategy," to Lee Atwater's, then Newt Gingrich's tutorials on how to code racist language to get the resentment vote.
What has happened during the last 20 years to start the hate mongering, conspiracy theories and religious zealots to the forefront of our nation. The first time I saw the old white man frothing was when Bill O'reilly started yelling about, "Feminazi". I remember this because a long time friend and man I had worked for started drinking at night while watching Bill O'reilly and would then call me and yell hate. Then came, the Alex Jones Show and Rush Limbaugh fame plus a surge of FOX News. We now have Right Wing (not conservative) millionaires everywhere spewing lies, conspiracies, hate and fear on radio, television and their own online news. An element of our society is addicted to this non-stop trash. Just listen to the CPAC junk being said. Are they talking about science? Important issues by experts on international policy? authorities who study the best way to produce less expensive healthcare? economist? Do they want to hear from those who keep us safe? NO, they are talking about AOC and hamburgers! They are talking about fear of races? They are not talking empathy for the pain they cause but how to turn it around and say they are the victim ("no you are racist"). They talk about how to demean and hurt people. They talk about guns and violence. They talk about revenge. They make the rest of us look like lambs waiting for slawter and if we even raise our heads to protest they laugh and yell, threaten and make up new conspiracies, hate and fear. Most are laughable except they have taken over the Republican Party and Trump is the ring leader being fed by hate mongers who are happy to make a buck off those susceptible to extremism.
Listened to Trump at CPAC - He is a horrible person.
Plus, he's orange.
This week's panel was super bad.
Well said.
NatKK Boy that’s a mouthful. Well spoken
NatKK Great Insight!
"We don't need to break up the giant companies; just regulate them!"
You can't regulate something that has more power than the government.
regulate them, they already avoid paying the taxes that should be payed, you and me pay more in taxes then amazon on its intellectual property
And we as a nation already have experienced that with Rockefeller.
Nothing has more power than the US government.
We tried that with obama and it was a catastrophe.
@@nefersguy Obama saved the country from total economic collapse. What "catastrophe" is your deluded little mind thinking about?
Can we all agree MKH is in great shape?
The Hammer!
That lady in Green. Suns out, Guns out.
Ripped
Omg what a damn disappointment!! Firstly, one woman?? You can’t have several women at once? Oh the horror! And then he picks her? She added nothing. I thought she seemed smart.
@@teresahowick5197 Would you have added more?
@@socrattt No, but she doesn't claim to does she.. As far we as we know she isn't a politician, journalist, writer.. and so on..
@1111Pel Women's day is for pussies. Only literally.
Schlapp wants to talk about entitlements??? The wealthiest in our nation who pay less taxes were given entitlements without need. Everyday people put money INTO the systems that are meant to help themselves and others..
Slap Slapp¡
@@waltersmart1824 I've PAID into the "entitlement" for all of my WORKING LIFE... FUCKING liars about that it's an entitlement ... it's MY MONEY and I am "ENTITLED" TO RECEIVE IT! So correct slapp Shlapp
The wealthiest pay less taxes? Is this a joke? Even if the tax rate was flat, they'd still be paying more.
www.cnbc.com/2015/04/13/top-1-pay-nearly-half-of-federal-income-taxes.html
Schlapps wife works for the trump white house. He shamelessly toes the Trump party line
Tyler c GE and Microsoft paid 0 taxes last year.
Damn, look at those guns on Mary Katharine.
They go with her snarky attitude and entitled white girl self.
She is trying hard to move up in the white women hater club.
She’s beautiful
Justice for Poppy Gloria
Michael Steele, if big conglomerates are not broken up first, in order to take away their ability to lobby with megabucks behind them, then regulations cannot be written and certainly not enforced.
Same argument applies to passing legislation that breaks them up
Citizens United is the problem.
@@siaahmadi413 America has walked this path before.. we had to pass multiple lays at the turn of the 20th century because we had companies that were so big they were essentially above the law.
Exactly and when or if they do get fined it is literally equal to a parking ticket. So that is no threat. Yes break them up. Even if that were to happen that won't be the end of their abuse of power. They will just reorganize, create another committee, commission to regulate or as usual some blathering idiot completely trained on how to deflect and ignore until the agenda is pushed through. And still the only answer to this point is Revolution. The real kind not the song.
@@hudson2861 that and Citizens United. These wealthy companies can leverage far more money and power to influence politics than any individual.
Bill thinks it takes guts to invite conservatives.
It would take even more guts to invite a true progressive.
He means it takes guts for conservatives, and some dems, to appear on his show. Inviting people is easy. Showing up isn't.
@DeadTownManifesto1985 But he has guests like Milo, Roger Stone, rappers, idiots, etc. I think he would invite anyone making news. He also mentions that it was brave of his guests to come to his show when they aren't dems/libs many times. Even in this episode after that he says "the lion's den". This indicates that the place is a challenge to the guest and not the invite. He also shouts back at the crowed when they start acting like children. Notice in this episode, for example, he asks people clearly to clap at the end for his 'non popular' guest in that room.
I don't know about the group you are talking about, I'm just pointing out what he means by 'brave' when he says that about a guest.
Thank you! How bout a panel of 5 progressives and one mild conservative. The narrative Bill helped spread 2nite will not help unseat Trump.
@DeadTownManifesto1985 Bullshit. He agrees with ideas that come from those who lean right because they just might be based on common-sense and, even, humanity. Fools who paint groups of people with the same brush are not the kind of folks I would want on my team. Maher has his flaws, for sure. He's human. But he's consistent, honest and sincere, and he puts his time and money where his mouth is. "Corporate democrat"? Go troll somewhere else.
Lol I think Bill’s racist tendencies/views would surface unintentionally like it’s been doing in the recent shows. He always gets flustered or moves on to the next topic when confronted 🤣🤔
If Manafort was black, he'd have certainly gotten a much harsher sentence... but then, he also wouldn't have been hired by Trump in the first place.
Because OJ really got the book thrown at him for those murders.
@@flacidhouse350 Black + celebrity = white. Don't pretend that OJ didn't have an advantage over most black men.
Or a woman, but again wouldn't have been hired.
@@flacidhouse350
OJ had a black jury and Asian attention seeking judge. White juries plus white judge lead to different outcomes. Like Ethan couch, Brock Turner,etc.
@Black Rod: Yes,how true from the insipid Kanye West-to-the-insignificant Michael Steele and ALL Those who fall in-between the boundaries these two individuals represent-credulity on one end to subjugation on the other,respectively.
Long time fan, first time commenter. Yowza, this was the most conservative I've ever seen the show. Bill wants to know how to beat Trump, 'how do we appeal to independents, the party's going too far left'' but look around, the center of the country is left, distrust corp., medicare for all, education, and no mention of young people at all from a panel with as many years as America between them. The way to their hearts is clear, criticize entrenched power and money in politics, not the far left and SJWs. The question is not are social justice warriors really like that, sure some are, but why do you, Bill, need the spectre of them as your enemy?
Shocked to see the left defended here only by Atler, who's dismissed ("If we completely agree why are we arguing!" ffs is this Fox Noise? Let him finish his dang thought). Rothman's book is a Reddit thread couched in intellectual hot air. See him scratching his neck nervously when criticized? He knows exactly what he's doing. When white dudes talk in circles about "equal treatment under the law" this is so clearly code for, 'Don't criticize the justice system too much! Let's work to keep the system exactly how it is, with mass incarceration and private prison enslavement.' Atler is exactly right, and Bill knew it, but immediately became defensive, and refused to engage.
I respect Bill, in that he sees his role as irreverent say anything dismantler of political correctness. Unfortunately I see a pattern of the same old jokes and cheap shots/non-engagements--'They don't defend people they defend feelings,' Bernie's a long-shot hippie on a 'Dream Bus' (please), etc. etc.
Finally the not at all nuanced discussion of the attacks on Ilhan Omar from all sides was disturbing to me. Sure there are ways to read her tweets as anti-semitic (you might be more inclined to do so because she's the first openly Muslim woman in congress, but that's not even my main point). You can also read them as critiques of money in politics, of the atrocities of the right-wing Netanyahu gov. and long ties to both parties but especially the far right in America. She supports BDS, so do many Jews, what's the problem? If it is anti-semitism, it does not hold a candle to the right wing. You don't even need to google Steve King's thoughts on the matter, read a youtube comment section on Fox or Breitbart or Daily Caller or Ben Shapiro or any of these clowns if you doubt this. There is no doubt a twisted allegiance between support for Israel, and American militaristic interests in the mid-east, which is the province of the right wing, and appealing to their deeply anti-semitic base--just ask yourself this, did David Duke endorse Omar's campaign?
This one had me fumin', I'll be honest. Bout time these old fuffs cede some air time to someone with a fresh take huh?
Wow, hell of a first time comment. I think you got your money’s worth for the past episodes...
I especially agree with the Omar part. If she's so antisemitic then why did Bernie Sanders back her? Either he doesnt want to alienate the supporters of the new reps or the comments arent antiSemetic or combo of the two.
Thank you for this. I’ve never wanted to be on a panel so bad in my life lol
The brand of SJW they speak of is just another vein of a broader, reactionary issue imo. It’s ppl THINKING they have good intentions but reacting largely off of emotion and therefore going around shouting down or boycotting/cancelling perceived abusers, rapists, liars, cheats etc. and getting ppl fired or publicly humiliated before they’ve had a fair shake. Problem w/ that is everybody shit stinks, he who hasn’t sinned cast the first blah blah blah and that’s correct. That shit ain’t cool and it has def had a regressive effect on the left and needs to be reigned in.
The other side of that coin is, to be generous, a tad more violent in their reactionary approach...That’s what makes the “both sides” argument so maddening.
Yes, both sides harbor their fair share of extremist, misguided ideologies, but one side tends to harbor the types of extremists that will gun you down in a fucking church.. same ones that have been not so discreetly calling for a civil war for a decade..
It’s without a doubt important that we reign in this budding cancel culture of hunting ppl down online and getting them harassed or fired for mean things they say on the internet or differing ideas. It’s also important that we understand at some point we need to grow the fuck up and acknowledge that life isn’t a chat room and we’re not always anon, my guy. There are consequences to some of the “edgy” shit we like to say..
I just hope the bad faith arguments stop soon. This shit is absolutely bizarre
Outstanding observations and commentary-Kudos and Thank you !
Great comment. I'm with you on every single word.
Mary Katharine Ham looks buff.
Ham's hams were the star of the show.
5:08 I completely agree with Jonathan Alter, social justice is just about making the world more just and fair, there is no such thing as "social justice thought". Sure, are there instances where social justice goes wrong absolutely, but that doesn't mean that social justice as whole is a problem because it isn't.
neosoontoretro he was excellent. He really held his own on this diseased panel
He made a fan out of me too.
I think everyone on the left agrees with that, and we are all for social justice. However people who advocate for social justice are not the same as "social justice warriors" who are mainly for policing speech and attempting to destroy people over old tweets, usually distracting from and trivializing actual social justice causes. There is an entire ideology built around it, often associated with postmodernism, etc. and that is what "social justice thought" refers to.
@@davidk2187 Precisely!! Nobody outside the far right is against Social Justice, but too often SJW's give the same weight to trivial fashion preferences and easily hurt feelings as they do to genuine systematic injustice. They often go out of their way to take offense, and presume that any differences in outcomes result purely from malice.
Sometimes SJWs genuinely misunderstand the issues, sometimes they intentionally feign offense in order to beat others over the head with their supposed moral authority. In either case, they trivialize real issues and alienate many potential allies.
If progressives want to promote social justice, they must disavow the cancer of identity politics espoused by social justice warriors.
That Mary Katherine Ham is SMOKIN' 🔥
Its pretty sad when Jonathan Alter (a Clinton/Obama corporate friendly apologist) gives the best progressive arguments for a lot of the panel. I get Maher and the right wingers' point about PC culture being out of control sometimes, but they overstate their case. Especially when they all kind of jumped down Alter's throat at 5:09.
Totally agree with you on the point about 'PC culture' (although I hate how that phrase is used to instantly dismiss things, but that's a different topic...).
The major reason why the panel jumped down Jonathan Alter's throat is over their different interpretations of the words 'social justice'. Alter meant it in the old school way, the rest of the panel meant SJWs.
The phrase 'social justice' previously meant doing good things for disadvantaged people. Then it got hijacked by people who wanted to equate social media whingers with "PC culture". That's what created the term SJW (Social Justice Warrior). I hate people who whinge on Twitter as much as any other sane human being does, but that shit is totally different from what social justice is.
Real social justice is a lawyer who charges a reduced fee to a poor person so that they can have decent representation in court. Real social justice is a guy who steps in to stop a gay guy from being beaten just because he's gay. Real social justice doesn't tweet about "how evil Louis CK is" because the rest of the herd are doing it.
Add to that the fact that political correctness started out as a good thing. It is actually correct to call people "hearing impaired" instead of deaf, because not all people who have hearing issues are completed deaf. The problem is that people went too far with political correctness and now it makes a mockery of itself, just like any good idea that goes out of control.
PC culture is a fucking myth. Every story you have heard about it being out of control was a right wing narrative. I am not kidding, when you actually dig into the facts, those ridiculous stories all fall apart. It does not exist, period.
People that complain about “pc” culture, are people that hate being called out, on the dumb, sexist and racist crap they spew.
It isn't a myth though, and it really is everywhere. Alter is just another one of the mainstream democrats that dismiss SJWs as fringe or inconsequential so they don't have to deal with it. That's also how they're able to blame conservatives and right-wing media for "exaggerating" the problem, because mainstream left media refuses to touch it. It's a frustrating tactic but kind of brilliant from a PR standpoint.
Come on Bill get some progressives on that panel. I’m sure you and Kyle Kulinski would get along great, with the atheism and all
Yes! Thank you!!!!!
I disagree with Kyle Kulisinki alot but that would be a show I would watch the crap out of it
How bout some folks from TYT? Or Justice Democrats? Or Wolf-Pac? Sam Seder from Majority Report!
Real progressives would destroy Bill. He would never have Cenk,Kyle,Chris hedges,etc on the show. Glenn Greenwald destroyed him each time he was on the show. Bill is an establishment shill.
@@jxsilicon9: All those people you mentioned are about as progressive as Sean Hannity. Cenk, Hedges, Kulinski, Greenwald all hold many regressive views. These people might be on the opposite side of the political spectrum as Hannity, but they all lie the same as Hannity and therefore have no real credibility.
Lol! Noah Rothman looks like he’s arrived here by a time machine from 1960s ... would be perfect for Mad Men ...
The most pompous, arrogant asshole.....worst show tonight
Next time there is only one liberal on the show i just wont bother watching. 1 liberal and zero progressives. I may as well watch cnn or fox.
Did seeing Michael Steele make you need your safe space?
@@flacidhouse350
Steele wss fired from GOP for using money to go to expensive dinners.
Then go watch Fox.
Totally agree
@@jxsilicon9 You're gullible. That isn't why he was fired. You think the Republicans would fire someone for that? That's what they do.
It would also be good if they let Mary Katherine speak...
Republicans can’t take blame for anything without saying “both parties”. It’s shameful that they take no responsibility.
What do you mean? If they say both parties are at fault for something, then they're taking half the responsibility. And quite frankly both parties are at fault.
It's time for Bill Maher to recognize the difference between "political correctness" and "social justice". Social justice isn't about "feelings"; it's about fairness. His response to the term social justice was rude (in that he wasn't hearing the speaker) and shows just how deeply he feels hurt over the cancellation of his show - years ago. Get over it. And, try to understand what people are saying.
Social justice shouldn't be equated with the people in these stories
No it shouldn't be but like the guy said you have a lot of these so-called activist who are protesting for and against things they fully do not understand. And like Bill said they more someone to protect feelings then actually Champion the cause. Bottom line is social justice Warriors give actual informed intelligent liberals who fight for actual social justice and extremely bad name. And if you can't admit that then you are a part of the problem.
@@MrMalcolm900 What problem? It seems your feeling are hurt because you can't use the N word, or call a woman the C word. What Problem?
@Black Rod what's so funny is you accused me of being brainwashed by conservatives but fail to understand what you just told me can be applied to conservatives as well. You people cast conservatives with an extremely broad brush as well so don't act like people are looking at the fringes of the left and categorizing the entire group as such when you have no problem doing that to your political opponents. So Cry Me a River.
@@jesushatesyoutoo dude I'm black what are you talkin about? And no I do not use the n-word because it is not a part of my lexicon. And I probably do not use the n-word because I do not address people as such.
@Black Rod what issues do you feel are being conflated?
The SJWs referred to in this episode and in most comments are people that demand all people admit to being racist and commit themselves to taking action to mitigate their racist impulses - even when those impulses, objectively, don't exist. When an individual requests evidence that illustrates their racism, SJWs deflect and call the request for a evidence in and of itself a racist act.
It seems like people who come to the defense of these divisive tactics and SJWs are the ones that are erroneously conflating groups of people - liberals and leftists. They are two distinct groups and it's critically important for them to be discussed with clarity.
*Make America Great Again Impeach Donald J Trump and Mike Pence from Office*
I got such a huge crush n MKH. She's so ridiculously likable its hard to quantify.
"but not a real green dress, that's cruel"
Well played. Have a Tootsie Roll Pop on me...
I'm holding out for an emu.
Mary Kat Ham looks stunning!!
Her upper body is INCREDIBLE
Thank you, Jonathan Alter, for being the only sane voice at this table.
Something that most on the panel (including Bill) fail to understand: Social justice is something COMPLETELY different than political correctness. The former is about government creating the structural(!) conditions for people in their vast majority to ACTUALLY have a fair chance of leading a good life free of existential risks to their economic livelihoods (e.g. providing safety by supporting the police via stricter gun laws; mandatory health insurance for all); the latter is the mistaken belief that by merely APPEARING to do what is morally right everything else will somehow sort itself out. The key underlying reason for social justice and political correctness having little in common is the massive extent of hypocrisy evident in American life (especially so in politics, but also in other spheres of life), much more so than for instance in Europe. I suppose this is the legacy of puritanism.
Why doesn't Bill EVER have any lefty youtuber/political personalities like Kyle from Secular Talk?
Bill is a hbo puppet. He would be fired in a heartbeat if he doesn't go by his masters.
Because they are nobody.
He would look small compared.
They would destroy him. He should have on Chris Hedges but he's too honest about US system.
Lack of name recognition.
Very disappointing Bill. You brought a bunch of big word idiots on this week. Only Jonathon Alter had anything meaningful to say but he's hardly an intellectual heavy weight. I'm all for opposing "political correctness" but that doesn't mean accepting the crap coming out of the mouths of Schlapp, Rothman and Steele. Bring them on, but don't give them a bully pulpit. You're better than that.
He is better than a lot of things which is why he did it...
Steele makes a lot more sense than you.
Let the woman talk. The others constantly speak over her. Just sayin
That's because she's a twit.
@@judoyodan Misogynist.
She’s too intimidating for them
Bill you should go to Fox News.
It should be interesting seeing you there.
It's an intersting time when classical liberalism is seen as a Republican view
How these conservatives fall over each others shoes to defend things they would never have defended coming from the other side, i.e. judicial discretion and that the system is unjust by that twit from commentary magazine, is hilarious.
Every time I hear deficit from the right I cringe. They are responsible for like 95% of that deficit.
Alter calls out Noah Rothman for mischaracterizing efforts to achieve equal justice under the law and Maher conflates this form of social justice with PC speech. How are those 2 things even in the same sentance?
This show is becoming unwatchable... Bill should just become a Republican
You should become a Democrat.
Do you think Republicans are unwatchable? Maybe you should watch a different show.
Then don’t watch it...duh!
That's because you are left and he is liberal,
Well, I think Bill is constantly showing he is frustrated with Democrats for not getting their shite straight and communicating a clear and consistent vision. Just because he invites a lot of Republicans to his show doesn´t mean he agrees with or supports them, as is obvious from his dialogue. In fact, I find his show to be more balanced in the panel guests than almost anything else out there. And far more interesting.
I don't know why but Noah Rothman looks, talks and acts like he's a time traveler from the 40s.
What happened to this show!!! I’m all for debate and differing opinions but it’s just a republican talking point panel every week now. I don’t remember the last real progressive he had and the only dems are corporate hacks like McCaskill.
Soooo true.
@@clutchflutie8750 couldn't Bill think he is representing that talking point himself and is over compensating the other way?
A lot of you are pretty pissed off at the show because for one episode he didn't bring on a lot of the MSNBC and CNN propagandist that help stroke your Egos and your narratives. Well snowflakes sad day for you reality does not Bend to your will.
No buddy, I’m definitely not asking for more of cnn and msnbc either, some real journalists regardless of political affiliation would be nice once in awhile. This show is now straight corporate propaganda every week.
True
Why aren't there more Republicans like Michael Steele....God knows they need them.
I FKN LOVE OVERTIME! !!!!!!
Michael Steele talking identity politics is rich. Former RNC chair when Obama was president! Identity politics much?
and you think he was unqualified?
Mary Katherine ham is beautiful
Andrew Grove No she is not
They are missing the point about breaking up the big tech companies. It's not only about the anti trust issues, it's also about the fact that they are sitting on a pile of cash that is not being reinjected into the economy and that they don't pay their fair share of taxes. Scott Galloway spoke about this at length on L2. Less billionaires and more millionaires.
Hijacking social justice and calling it stupid and then saying our justice system is a mess is beyond dumb
4 Republicans guests, 1 Democrat tonight... WTF Bill?
Don't worry you'll be protected from different ideas in your safe space
Michael Steele, "Joe Biden can win". Comedic gold sir.
Actually, Joe Biden probably can win. I honestly believe if he ran he would have a shot
I'm a conservative and this is funny
Put the attractive woman in your thumbnail but list her last in the title. I see how it is.
AND THERE IT IS FOLKS. The stupid "sjw" nonsense that Bill Maher was talking about. PRetty sure the people what were going to watch Overtime were going to click on the video no matter if the woman was in the thumbnail or not.
Sometimes I wonder if Bill is a closet conservative.
On this show he blamed Palestinians for Israeli violence against them. He said Joe Biden would be the best Dem to beat Trump. And he said progressives only care about getting 'likes' on social media. He certainly sounds like a conservative, just a conservative who hates Trump.
@@squatch545 ikr it's like the only reason he is a democrat is because he smokes weed and for the past like 40 years, the democrats have been lite republicans. I am so ashamed of my country. I knew most people were stupid, but being reminded of it every minute takes a toll.
I think so too
I think most people do not have all the boxes checked when it comes to Democrat or Republicans. You can be a Democrat and still have some Republican values and vice versa.
@@BeSkeptical851 I COMPLETELY agree with you. I am a staunch and proud progressive Bernie guy. But I do side with REASONABLE conservatives who just want to not be fucked with about their gun rights. But I do see value in background checks and the like. I also see abortion as a sensitive issue where there is a life involved but also see there are circumstances where an abortion is something someone (a woman obviously...and it is her body but there also might be another voice in the matter aka the man aka the sperm haha) might see as a necessary thing for their life, but me personally I would bring that life into the world and put it up for adoption.
Ms Mary, with all the respect, but you're smoking HOT 🔥🔥🔥
LET THE WOMAN SPEAK!
I'm liking this Noah guy.
But they are against regulation...
definitely, there too many conservatives on the panel
Michael Steele: how can he still be a repuke after the way he was treated by his own party? What a tom.
Why is the green dress lady there for...." flower vase " 😂😂😂
You would’ve thought that Bill, after all these years, wouldn’t lose his cool so fast 😂 love you man
MKH is toning up to be She Hulk in 2020. Bank on it.
Steele seems to tailor his conservatism based on which show he is on. UGH here though.
This panel absolutely stunk! All republicans and a corporate democrat for a host. No wonder they all agreed on the topics. How about a progressive for every republican? But no, they think to far out there for Maher to even consider... SMH!
@@recline69 So called far left progressives make up the majority of Americans, making them the centrists. Every policy that Sanders has brought up is for the people and supported by most people. So it's not "impossible to talk to them". And the ALT right spew hate, as opposed to the left discussing policies
Did anybody else catch that corporate plug there at the end
Matt needs Schlapping endlessly, until he reconnects with empirical reality.
Wow. Physical violence against those that don’t conform to YOUR WORLDVIEW. Very clear that you’re a liberal.
Rothman is undoubtedly a contributor for Prager University - his alt-right, anarchist views are passed off as intellectually reasoned, well-intended illumination. He became flummoxed every time Atler called him out on his mockery of what real social justice is about because he had Bill in his corner. This episode was infuriating - it's great to have conservative panelists on, but I didn't find their lambasting of the democrats constructive in the least. Also didn't care for Bill's WARNING 'joke' about transgenders but I know I'll be labelled a snowflake for objecting to offensive statements certain privileged members of society feel entitled to say. Ugh.
I fucking hate Noah Rothman- he's an overbearing pseudo intellectual who talks from both sides of his pansy mouth.
Street Gato same. Ugh i can see why joe Scarborough likes having him on the panel 🤮
Omg yes!! And I liked when he kept saying (paraphrasing) “it works in the academy”. Rothman thinks he’s extremely intelligent because he’s been told he is. He gets good marks. Reminds me of Bari Weiss. But when the real world hits (like in this instance with real arguments) he was utterly clueless 😂. You could see it in his face. When he came on he blabbed on and on. You could immediately tell it was a practiced (over and over in front of his mirror) speech. He can’t hold a proper conversation and his arguments don’t hold up to any counterpoints. Too funny.
I have been following politics a long time now and it's become quite clear to me that big difference between conservatives and liberal depends on how selfish you are. And the Overton window has shifted so fucking far to the right that Bill Maher, who is coming more and more across to me as a closet conservative, is having conservatives on to give us advice on who we should pick to be our nominee. Place the tombstone in this country is fucked.
Could anyone more intelligent than I, possibly a student of history, kindly take a moment to explain to me how Rep. Omar's comments were unlike that of Joseph McCarthy?
The twerp on the right was trying to make the case that the idea of Social Justice (making things better for everyone) is itself unjust.
What a weasel.....
OH like you are going to be a millionaire, Lmfao trump just cut taxes dramatically for the top 1% an made things really rosy for estates of these millionaires, IF you want help in anything like healthcare or education, were do you think the money comes from? spreading wealth is good for everyone, OR if you like taking out 1st an 2nd mortgages on your home just to keep up with health costs an kids in college than be my guest DUMMY!! Good for you, this works in countrys all over the free world allot of workers get more than a third of their time off WITH pay, an all the health coverage, its the way a healthy economy is suppose to work, not dog eat dog!!
Mary Katharine, I really love your peaches, I wanna shake your tree.
If you try to hold accountable the big companies instead of splitting them up, all they do is use their market power to remove those constraints, and Republicans like Steele will help.
Social justice can be protecting population in a capitalistic society at the same Time ❤️❤️❤️
WOW 😵😵WHAT GUNS ON MARRY KATHERINE!!!
She sure wears that green dress ! Lol and they know it too. ..lol. According to his constant with her included .👍
1111Pel to be fair, it’s all that wet blanket woman contributed! So what else is he supposed to say?
1111Pel It’s a compliment BITCH.
I. Curse me ?
🖕. Lol.
1111Pel
Yeah. Cuz complements makes me one of them ehh ?
Gosh ....you’re not too damn bright ,are ya ? Lol
You better Go change those litter boxes Cat LADY
Ol Billy has become somewhat petty in his old age and declining relevancy. I love him, but his absurd need to elevate neo-cons without really challenging them is tiring.
HAHA, finally some sense is coming out of Bill! Its a miracle
Did Schlapp and Rothman share an Uber after the show? Schlapp takes matters in his own hands, especially global warming.
Unwatchable....No more Bill. You utterly failed here.
I think I like the woman I the green dress....not sure though.
John Pianavilla she made my pants tight.
I was diggin her
she also looks like the kind that'll tie you down to a bed and drill your arse with a strap-on. no thanks.
probably bench presses more than the other 5 dudes on the panel too
Stevie Wanderer sounds like you got plans for her.
John Rawls was completely mischaracterised by Noah Rothman. Rawls never advocated for unequal political institutions nor for unequal distribution of justice. Rawls, on the very first page of A Theory of Justice, clearly states:
“Justice is the first virtue of social institutions, as truth is of systems of thought. A theory however elegant and economical must be rejected or revised if it is untrue; likewise laws and institutions no matter how efficient and well-arranged must be reformed or abolished if they are unjust. Each person possesses an inviolability founded on justice that even the welfare of society as a whole cannot override.”
I am amazed Noah Rothman had the gall to mischaracterise Rawls in this way when all he had to do to avoid doing so was read the very first page of Rawls’s book.
What's the problem with letting fox host the debates?, it's not like they will pass debate questions to their favored candidate .
Whip both parties for the deficit?
Clinton left a surplus.
Obama brought and down and paid off the stimulus packages.
Are are you talking about?
There is no such thing as a surplus. There are only unpaid bills.
With Republican Congresses (Congress holds the power of the purse btw)
She-Hulk makes good points
To not have a debate on FOX is admitting that you don't have good enough answers to questions you don't like :/.
It's important whether on one side or the other to watch shows like this and watch people explain their opposing views in a civil manner. I feel there are some people on both sides that are compelling and care about this country and people on both sides that are toxic and don't care.
Women are clearly fillers on this panel every week unfortunately.
And why do some women feel they need to dress like that to be interesting on TV?
It seems like some women are more than fillers ... Donna Brazile, Clair McCaskill, Gayle King. Don't make it worse than it is ... it is bad enough.
@@soma2psyche You completely missed my point.
STOP giving microphones to say and defend Anything deplorables! Their words are worthless.
Rothman says a lot to make a simple statement.
For someone who identifies as liberalish, Bill carries a lot of water for conservatives.
Terrible episode and overtime
Dems _have_ to go on Fox - You can't just keep preaching to the Choir
Why? Fox will just sabotage the whole debate by getting candidates to address batshit crazy QAnon conspiracy theories.
I agree. Sadly, a good portion of the country watches that
awful channel. You need to reach voters in swing states any way possible.
@@squatch545 That excuse sounds like a _conspiracy theory_ in itself...or just a self-serving whine for not showing up. The debate won't be easy, just like a conservative going on Maher's show (or any late night comedy show for that matter), but a sufficiently eloquent representative will score some points. Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday is just as fair as George Stephanopoulous or Chuck Todd.
The Fox channel runs constantly in many of the auto dealers and repair shops - not everybody biding their time there is a dyed-in-the-wool Trumpette.
@@dabblerdeluxe775 I have no doubt that happened, just like stories that reflect negatively on liberal sacred cows are pushed out, or down, or covered with kid gloves by CNN, MSNBC and other networks to a lesser extent. Still gotta show up where it makes sense - Fox News Sunday, for instance. _Just give Hannity the finger as you walk by his studio...._
@@LAFan You are right, that network is on everywhere (no channel changers in sight!)
That woman in the green is 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Republicans haven't done any of those things Michael Steele talked about for a really long time.
I lecture my Alexa !!!! Take out the trash Alexa !!!!
The woman on the table always struggle to find a window to speak.
Does Paul Manafort's sentence reflect the racial biases in the American judicial system? Yes. Was that so hard?
"Social justice" and "politically correct" are media issues.
Potholes, zoning issues, bike lanes and VRBO neighbors are a few of the actual problems that concern my small town.
We should have the highest tax rate on capital gains. This is the richest country in the world.
That's a pretty stupid comment by Noah, that the pardon system is meant to save people from conditions that are unjust - it's simply not big enough to actually serve any kind of balancing function. You can only realistically pardon a few people, while the justice system meanwhile tramples over the rights of 100s of 1000s of people.
with Google, Facebook, Amazon, Twitter, if you don't like it, don't use it.
Glad he didn't just let the Social Justice Republican definition slide by.