Thanks for another very informative video, you have the best explanations, pragmatic and you are providing the best content in this area. Already working with an Asus x99 Deluxe, found 4 x 16gb ram sticks for around 10 USD each (the guy had them for over 3 months, he wanted to get rid of them). Got a 1620 v3 for the time being and waiting for Aliexpress package.
Please share your experience with the x99 deluxe because i am waiting for mine (because of the global pandemic) and that price on the ram... lol the guy got ripped off :D
@@dakata2416 Asus X99 Deluxe are hard to come by, and when they appear on the second hand market, they are usually very overpriced, thus I am not sure I will be able to get one for testing.
@@Miyconst Привет друг. Подскажи мне пожалуйста. Я бы хотел бы узнать по поводу максимальной длинны видеокарты. У меня есть 7800XT файтер. Влезет ли она сюда без проблем или нет. Дякую тебе.
Just picked one of these up for $43 USD and free shipping. Came with a 1607 v3, so i upgraded to a 2620 v3 i had on a shelf and paired it to a 1660. System works outstanding and will be a great quick flip. So much value per dollar in these builds. I did have to modify the side panel to accommodate the 1660.
Hey man, thank you for the BIOS and great video. With your bios and TS 9.2 i OC my 1660v3 to 3.9 before she got really hot with the stock cooler.Much appreciated!👍
This comment is a late addition but just in case it helps someone: unlocked Xeons (1650/1660/1680 V3, and possibly 1620 V3) can be overclocked without too much trouble on these T5810 machines. There are two parts to this: first, you need to install ThrottleStop (note: the latest version (9.5) wasn't working well for me so I suggest using version 9.4). The second part is putting the machine in sleep mode and then waking it up again. This will disable the regular overclocking and overvolting restrictions that the BIOS puts in place upon initial boot. No hardware or BIOS modifications are required, only the sleep -> wake-up cycle. Increase your frequencies by going into ThrottleStop's FIVR panel, tick the 'Overclock' checkbox in the Turbo Ratio Limits section and then increase the turbo ratios, perhaps to 40 initially. On the main panel, also increase the ratios (to the same number) and tick the 'Set Multiplier' checkbox to the left of where you specified the ratios. (Sometimes, pressing the 'Turn On' button, in addition to the prior steps, may help if your changes didn't take for some reason.) For higher frequencies, you'll eventually have to increase voltage in the FIVR panel. With my 1650, I was able to get a stable all-core 4.5 GHz overclock at around 1.19V for the CPU core and cache. (Voltages higher than that pretty soon run into other power and thermal limits of these machines.) (About the 1620 V3 processors: I think I read somewhere that these can be overclocked but only to 4.3 GHz; I have no first-hand experience about this aspect.)
Thank you for the info, here are some more bits from me: this overclocking method doesn't work with the latest T5810 BIOS and E5-1620 V3, E5-1630 V3 are locked, no overclocking is possible.
Strange - on my side, I see this working well with the latest BIOS (version A34, release date 17 Nov 2020, stock/unmodified); this is on Windows 10 Pro, version 21H2, OS build 19044.1889. (I have seen this work for other people too.) Thanks for all your great content!
@@Miyconst just checked with 5930k, I can confirm that what the fellow above says is correct. One sleep and you are able to change volts and multipliers on Thermalstop 6.4. Dell Precision T5810 is lovely now!
HI, NICE VIDEO AS ALWAYS! Did you try to overclock with software method? like throttlestop or intel extreme utility? I had good chance years ago with a Dell Precision t3500
It looks like some of the Precision 5820, which is the model following the 5810, are coming on the used market in the US. Those came out in 2018 so more of them should be coming off their service contracts. I picked up a fairly barebones unit (Xeon W-2102, 16 gb ram, Quadro P400) for USD $200 + $30 shipping from eBay today and plan on installing a $100 Xeon W-2140B QS in it. Wonder if they will be an option in Europe soon.
@@Miyconst Yes, Please, I would like a video on how you backed up this Dell computer bios and made the change and flashed it. I have a Dell T7910 so I assume it will work the same. Thank you
@@Miyconst I just bought a usb flash programmer and I am still waiting on your video on how to backup and mod your bios on this Dell T5810. Please hurry!! thank you!!
Very nice video! I recently purchased 2 T5600 workstations because they were so affordable. Dell's build quality is very good and they are easily serviced. I completely agree with the downsides you pointed out! I looked at other manufacturer's workstations but Dell had a much better design and build quality. They all have proprietary elements unfortunately but parts availability for the DEll systems is very good. Thank you for making this video!
I have both T5600 and T5810 desktop. I upgraded T5600 with dual e5-2687v2 and T5810 with e5-2690v4, intel 670p nvme ssd, rtx 3060, ecc pc4-21300 ram. They both running like a beast. Only this I wish was buying T7810 so I can have dual cpu.
Thanks for this. looking for a 'cheap but good' desktop, found the optiplex 9000 series and though to myself 'hrmm, what precision's were out around then?". Some hunting led me here and this is a great video. Not worried about overclocking but it is good to know the bios mod is possible and a good view of the internals. For $300ish plus a better GPU and maybe some money on a better CPU if I decide to go that route this is a no brainer over the optipex.
Thanks for very informative video bought barebone one on ebay for $149 added 2670 v3 $95, 32gb 2133 ddr4 $88, 480gb ssd, 1tb hd, gtx 970. Just ordered usb programmer $15 on amazon free 1 day delivery. Thanks again
Thank you for your video. I have been looking at that system as a replacement for my Dell T7610. Only thing that bothers me on the casing (I guess the 5810 has the same size) is the limitation regarding graficcard size. I had a MSI RX580 OC and I couldnt close the side panel due to a "strengthening bar" on the inside. Iirc correctly the maximum height was around 113 or 115mm. Theres a much bigger choice with NVIIA cards than with ATI for that. Regarding the NVMe Boot. I use a USB Stick with Clover on it as a boot manager and it has a NVMe Driver which let me use the installed NVMe (on a PCIe adapter card) as a boot drive.
great review thanks. You didnt talk too much about Harddisks. Can you comment on how many 3.5'' HDs fit into the Casing as this workstation could make a good server as well. Also, can you comment on the Controller type and the HD performance you encountered. thanks again!
Waiting on my 5810 with xeon 1620 and 32GB RAM. Will update to 2698v4, 256GB RAM, pcie card with nvme ssd and Noctua CPU cooler. There is Quadro P5000 16GB, so will buy another one and use it as my AI inference server :)
I just got a board in and modded it to ATX PSU, then realized it also worked with UDIMM's So wanted to share here where lots of people check. I'll backup the BIOS and upload it.
very good tutorial, accessed DELL T5610 with 2 2670v2 processors. Do you think the hack would be possible in this version? MiYconst, you always bring interesting things
@@Miyconst I just bought second one for 80 euro no ram no hdds with 1620v3. Swapped the cpu with E5-2683 v3 and added 128gb ram from aliexpress for addtional 120 and my future homelab is ready :)) . Now i am looking to buy dells pci-e card for 4 nvme drives :) . Is there a way to upload the modified bios without the usb programmer?
Great review my man ! i have ordered a dell t5810 with a xeon e5 2670 v3. I want to turbo unlock the bios, but i see that the link you have provided for the modified and stock bios is not properly working. Can i have an updated link for the modified bios please?
Another excellent review, thank you. It is disappointing -- though predictable -- that Dell does not allow CPU or RAM overclocking on this workstation. I agree it feels like a waste to put an OC-able CPU like the E5-1650v3 on a locked-down mobo like this one. However, a few possibilities occur to me, ASSUMING you can pick one like the one you bought for a bargain price (I looked just now and saw no such deals). The first is what you alluded to, buy the T5810 and take the E5-1650v3 out and pair it with a OC-friendly mobo. Put in a decent LGA 2011v3 CPU in the Dell, and then flip it on eBay after testing to lower your cost of acquiring the E5-1650v3 (or other OC-able CPU). Alternatively, if you just want a turnkey system but want it for a lower price (or have a specific alternate CPU in mind), replace the E5-1650v3 with the processor of your choice and keep the Dell, but resell the 1650v3 to offset the cost of the CPU you put in (and what you paid for the T5810). If I take either of these paths, I would of course need to know which CPUs this T5810 mobo supports. Can I assume that any LGA 2011v3 CPU would work? Also, which one(s) would be a good value if I wanted to flip the Dell, and which one would be good if I wanted to flip the CPU, but still wanted a workstation capable of high-performance calculations (similar to the FinTech benchmark you recently did for a client)?
According to the Dell specification, Xeon E5 V3 & V4 are supported, you might have to update BIOS, but any CPU shall work. The best value CPUs for such workstation in my opinion are: E5-2640 V3, E5-2660 V3, E5-2678 V3, E5-2690 V3.
@@Miyconst, thank you very much for your advice! I saw that Sandy Bridge E5-1650 is available for just $50, and considered trying that (because single-core performance is important to me, and it could be OC'd over 4.0 GHz), but considering the relative merits of the X79 & X99 motherboards, I think it would be better for me to go with the X99, which means LGA2011-3 socket, so I can't take advantage of this deal. I think I will try the mobo with DDR3 and DDR4 support, which should allow me to do some interesting benchmarks on data science workloads, comparing dual channel with quad channel, 32 GB vs 64 GB, and DDR3 vs DDR4. I will likely choose the E5-2678 if I can get it for a good price (so I can test DDR3 vs DDR4), and will just have to figure out a way to parallelize my algorithms to benefit from its many cores. :-)
Trying to undervolt a e5 2698 v3 here. It would pass stress tests at -50mv, but would randomly freeze under light load or idling even at -20mv. I was following the new S3 turbo unlock method, and C3/C6 were disabled. Any idea what might be causing the instability under very light load? Thanks in advance.
Nice video. I have a Precision 5820 with an i9 10980XE. I am suffering bad current limit throttling issues which I suspect are due to Dell enforced BIOS limits. I see you have modified and created a custom BIOS. Would it be possible to get in touch to see if its possible to modify the 5820 BIOS to raise such limits?
You can certainly contact me through Discord, but I don't think I can help with having a 5820 on my hands. You can also try to reach to iEngineer on GitHub, he can certainly help, but not for free.
Hello, thanks for the videos man. You're doing really good work! I have a question which chinese motherboards. I have a question about motherboards, which one is most recommended? I'm thinking of getting one. Also one more question. I found a seller selling 1:1 similar motherboard to Machinist x99. It's identical to my eye and specs are pretty same. Do you think its a good idea to buy that version?
The dell can overclock with throttlestop, just requires to put the pc to sleep then wake it. I got a dell t5810 with xeon e5 1660v3 clocked at 4ghz stable at 1.2v on the core, and can push it abit further with fine tuning but then im hitting the motherboards power limit
I just found a Precision T5810 from a refurb site. Xeon 1650 V3 3.5 Ghz. 64GB ddr4 and a Geforce 1080. 865W PSU. 512GB SSD with Win10 preinstalled. All that for 530 USD. Is that a good deal? Ive looked and cant find a better deal when it comes to complete refurbrigs. Its just to replace a HP Z420 i got dirt cheap, its used as my second gaming rig (bent motherboard but otherwise excellent). Any input is appreciated!
That sounds like a decent deal, but everything should be evaluated in comparison. Check how much you would have to pay for the same performance if you would buy parts individually.
Hope you are well! I have a question, For turbo boost unlock on T5810 I have to download the modded bios from your website and just flash it using bios flasher ?
You can do it that way but my BIOS is outdated and uses old TBU method so I would rather suggest to make your own mod based on the latest BIOS version.
Its overclockable with throttlestop. Only thing u have to do. Boot in to windows - sleep the pc, and wake it up. Throttle stop fuctions unlocks after this Running all cores at 4.2 ez. Only down side u have to this every pc boot. It comes close to 10400f , 8700 after oc.
Fantastic, maybe I'll have to buy a USB flash tool to try this on my t7810. Did you modify the bios yourself like you did with the chinese motherboards or did you find an already modified bios? I'm a little hesitant since I've already got my 825w PSU stretched to the max with this dual 2678/dual GPU setup. By the way, you can either use the 6 pins in an 8 pin connector as they are since they have the 3 12v lines, or buy the dell dual 8-pin harness to replace the 6 pin harness. I also have modified a Noctua NH-D9DX i4 3U by moving the 2011 brackets from the top of the heat plate to the bottom, and they screw into the dell backplate holes now, this significantly reduced my temperatures. I used the second set of fan clips that came with the heatsink to attach the default dell fan to the other side of the heatsink and have the noctua fan hooked up to a spare SATA power cable. This way dell diagnostics doesn't throw an error on the fan when it's expecting 5000 rpm out of the 2000 rpm noctua fan through a dell 5 pin adapter.
I have prepared my BIOS myself, because I could not find any ready made BIOS files for this motherboard. 825W could be on the low side with dual CPU & dual GPU setup, but you can monitor entire computer electricity consumption, and if it stays under 750W during load - you shall be safe to apply the Turbo Frequency Unlock.
@@Miyconst I haven't run a true stress test on the system, but when both GPUs and some CPU are utilized during processing on Meshroom, I saw a max power consumption spike of around 580W read on my UPS.
Hey Miyconst, which build do you suggest for competitive gaming? like i think 2673v3 with turbo unlock is overkill (it has 4ghz turbo) does it work 4ghz on all cores after turbo unlock? what you suggest a budget competitive build? Are chinese mboards better choice than Dell/HP systems?
E5-2673 V3 has maximum Turbo Frequency of 3.1 GHz, I have no idea where you found the 4.0 GHz value. For competitive gaming I would suggest JingSha X99 D8 + E5-1650 V3.
hey @Miyconst, the modified BIOS link appears broken. I just bought one of these and would love to get a turbo unlocked BIOS version. Thanks in advance!
Great video as always! Miyconst off topic. Do you know the Dimm layout for the Jingsha x99 dual cpu motherboard. I'm having trouble with ram configuration. If I put ram in certain slots I get code 67 on boot. Right now it have 1 in each of the 4 sections and its working but I'd like to add more ram. Please if you know the proper Dimm slots A,B,C,D,F please reply THANKS!
The RAM shall work in any slot, because this motherboard has only one memory slot per channel, but each CPU needs its own RAM, if you install two CPUs, but put all RAM into one CPU, the system will fail to boot.
@@Miyconst thank you. Also I populated all memory slots and got boot code 67. How can you tell if you have single rank or dual rank modules. Maybe that is my issue. Thanks
@@Miyconst Thank you so much for your help... I just put one stick of ram in at a time and rebooted until all slots were full. It worked! I think when I first put it together I should have set the bios to defaults before installing ram all at one time. Also the dual 2678-v3 in Cinebench gets a 3606 in multi thread and an 111069 in CPU-Z cpu bench test. I can't wait for you to do thorough tests on this when you get a buyer. :)
Can you show show us how to modify the bios? I got the same exact PC and spend days how to push 2673 v3 to 3.1ghz. Also, you can check the power button LED for debugging.
Hello and thanks for the video....I would like to buy a Dell Precision T5810....but I didn't understand one thing....if I use an NVMe m2 SSD mounted on a PCIe adapter...the PC can do boot natively from the NVMe M2 SSD, or do I have to modify the bios??? I have an ASrock Z77 and to make it boot from the NVMe M2 SSD mounted on the PCIe adapter I had to use a modified bios....Thank you very much!!!
Hi. It's been really long since I published that video and I don't remember for sure but if I remember correctly then NVMe boot is natively supported by T5810.
Hello man, I need your help here. I'm planning on buying this motherboard($40 on ebay) by separate and putting a Xeon E5-2630v3 and ECC ram for building a video editing and gaming machine. I think the problem would be the case and fans... Do you think it would work for me? I just want to go very cheap... Or maybe should I go for a new chinese x99 board? Thanks.
Do yourself a favor and either buy a complete Dell workstation or build using the standard components. These motherboards are pain to work with outside of their native chassis.
Hi, Great video, one question, I want to install hard disks in HDD 02 and 03 SATA ports, where do i connect the SATA power cable I have not figured it out. What kind of a power cable will fit?
As far as I remember, in this Dell workstation SATA power is supplied from the motherboard, and not from the power supply. If you are missing the cables you can search for them on eBay.
I'm very much considering one of these, but I'm concerned about the PSU. my GPU has 2x 8 pin power connectors on it. What I've noticed is that it is significantly cheaper to buy a dell workstation than to buy similar parts individually. Do you know of any way to get more 8 pin connectors on this PSU? It certainly has enough wattage to drive my HD 7950.
There are to type of BIOS on this board for t5810: WINBOND 25Q128FVSG Macronix International MX25L12839F dont try to flash it done this couple of month ago without checking
Hi, could you please describe what kind of certification PSU has in this workstation: I mean gold, platinum, etc? You said "not bad power supply" - is it energy-efficient or reliable? Does you expression rely on this particular experience or you assume that Dell PSU is good in general?
This particular workstation had a good power supply. I can't say certification, because Dell does not bother to obtain the certificate, but according to the specs it should be close to 80+ Gold. There are other Dell workstations, which are made to be as cheap as possible, those have crappy power supplies.
@@Miyconst right, I bought two t5810 today and their psu has lable 80 gold +. Lable is visible when psu is unplugged. It can run 2 gpu with 110 W each. I reduced power limit of gpus because host turns off when power is above that threshold. This is 685 w psu and I expected it can ran 3 such gpus. I have 2 t5810 and both behave this way. I turned off 3 from 4 cores of my xeon 16xx. Ark.intel says this cpu consumes about 130 w. fans run 100%. Reducing speed of fans doesn't help. Interesting why this 685 w psu can run only 2 gpus with 220 W in total. Is consumption of PCI-e limited or maybe something in this motherboard consumes too much power.
@@marksmirnov660 I honestly have no clue, but it seems like Dell cheaped out even with this 80+ Gold unit and split the 12V lane into multiple rails with. In this case when the power draw exceeds on a single rail it shuts of. Again, I am not an expert in PSUs and some pros might be able to explain it by looking into the PSU internals, but not me.
same conclusion i reached years ago when dealing with 3610 , bought them for 1650v2 and swapped these for 2640v2 so i can use the unlocked cpus on real motherboards i stopped buyng those platforms when i tried to use 2gb ddr3 ecc reg sticks into one that came with 2x4gb and the pc stopped working forever (tried everything with original ram, CMOS reset, CD restore for bios, EC reset...nothing) i did not want to risk this problem again
@@Miyconst tried reflashing by making a dell recovery cd Rom. RAM was ok on another x79 board. The system actually has 4 diagnostic leds numbered from 1 to 4 and i got a motherboard error
Anyway i just got a 3610 for 300 euros with a w5000 firepro and 64gb ddr3 last week because i want to try hackintosh in that system and the value was just too good. Have a 2640 v2 around ready but i will not touch the RAM at all. The w5000 is a solid entry level workstation card
Great video but do you have a video where you install custom cooler on it im interested to see if i can improve the temperatures on the cpu and the airflow
@@Miyconst i have a Dell Precision T5810 with E5-1650-V3 32gb of ram DDR4 with a quadro K4200...i plan to install an RX 5500 XT since its the compatible alternative to the GTX 1660TI for this what do you think i should go for? Or its not worth it? Let me know thanks!
A good budget workstation and gaming computer but a barely average review. Max ram is 256GB DDR4 ECC 2666 Max CPU is Xeon E5-2699 V4 22T/44C You can install the matching quad NVME M.2 card , the Thunderbolt 3 card, two 225W GPUs, 1300W PSU and plenty of other options.
I see that we are looking at the thing from different points of view. For certain use-cases this machine is a very decent option, but in most cases it's better to skip, at least in opinion. Of course, as everything else, if you can get one for a very good price - go for it, but if they ask premium because it's a Dell - skip it. Also, could you please elaborate on this the Thunderbolt expansion cards? As far as I know, you need a special header on the motherboard to make it work properly.
@@Miyconst I agree that there are a few sellers out there who try to gouge the price because of the label but in general used Dell workstations are available very cheaply, mine with the spec above cost less than $750 USD for the original machine and the upgrades. Using well thought out such techniques on eBay and other sites will produce many listings at very reasonable prices. The special header for the thunderbolt cards (available in version 1, 2, and 3 for less than $50 USD) is a five-pin GPIO header and is not specific to this machine. The complete installation kit comes with the card, GPIO header cable, and display port loop through cable. As well as being aware that it is compatible with your particular motherboard you have to be aware that it only works in one slot, in the T5810 and T7810 it must be installed in slot 5.
@@TalmidAndy thanks for the extra info! Could you please share a link to the Thunderbolt header? It seems very interesting. Would this work with other motherboards or it's specific for the Dell machines? Regarding the pricing, unfortunately, here in EU (Sweden) prices for these Dell machines are usually outrages, 9 out of 10 times I am able to produce a better machine with a mix of second hand and new components, where everything is standard and can be upgraded in the future with no hassle.
@@Miyconst there are many models, both towers and rack mounts, compatible with the cards. For example the full height Thunderbolt 3 card is listed by Dell as compatible with the list below but it also works in others with the appropriate motherboard header.. Precision Workstation T3620 MT Precision Workstation 7820 Tower Precision Workstation T7820XL Tower Precision Workstation T7920XL Tower Precision Workstation 7920 Tower Precision Workstation 5820 Tower Precision Workstation T5820XL Tower XPS 8930 Tower Precision Workstation 3630 Tower Precision Workstation 3630XL Tower Alienware Aurora R7 Precision Workstation R3930 Precision Workstation R3930 XL Alienware Aurora R8 OptiPlex 7070 MT OptiPlex 7070 SFF Alienware Aurora R9
It does have a speaker connector, but the connector has a proprietary Dell standard. Others mentioned in the comments that the power button has some LEDs built in, which light up in certain way in case of a boot error.
I accidentally bought a xeon v4 for this computer, its the same socket however looks different to the v3. Do you know if it's possible to BIOS update for compatibility or will I need to order a xeon E5 V3 cpu
It depends on which Dell machine you have got. Some support V4 CPUs, others don't. You have to check your BIOS version, product tag, and find out on the Dell website if V4 CPUs are supported.
@@Miyconst In your experience how high the clockspeed for I install 2690 V3 if using it in this dell system? the prices here in Malaysia is very cheap.
I think so, but in my opinion, the main point of such workstation purchase is plug-n-play, if you have to buy and install extra thingies then it makes more sense to assemble everything yourself.
@@Miyconst My point was that if you plan to use/sell this, it might be good idea to invest couple cents and install a radiator there. You wouldn't even have to pull everything off the case with some push-pins.
@@Miyconst Maybe check if MoBo gives current into 3/4pin fan connectors (12V) or other measure points. If no power flows then you'd have hard time to bring it back. edit: Those used MoBos can be dirty which might cause shortcuts (metal in PCI-E slots or so), ultrasonic bath is a stupid but sometimes working option.
@@Adam130694 Since the CPU fan starts to spin up when I attempt to boot, I can assume that there is 12V current on the pins, but I have no tools to investigate further, so I am looking to see if someone local could be interested to attempt to fix it.
Hey I know it’s kinda late but my dad just brought one of these home from his office and I was wondering if there is any hope of turning it into a gaming pc. The graphics card needs to go but other than that I’m not sure if it needs anything else or if it’s even worth trying.
@@Miyconst it has a intel Xeon cpu es 1607 v3 3.10 ghz, 24 gb of ram, and a nvidia Nvs 315 graphics card. I hope that helps I really know nothing about pcs
@@thomasbuckley7091 I think you can turn it into a decent gaming PC by installing Xeon E5-2666 V3, unlocking Turbo Boost, and adding a graphics card like GTX 1060.
I got just one of these and am looking to upgrade it but mine has no power cable at all for a GPU and i see no 6 pin. When i look at it, there is a plug for 8 pin. Can i do an 8pin to 8pin?
I'm looking at one of these on eBay so this video was really helpful. How is the noise level? Looking at either E5-2660 v3 or E5-1650 v3 - price is about the same but 2660 has more cores, 1650 much higher clock speed. This will run as a 24x7 workstation and server.
The noise level is rather okay, depends on how many fans are installed and how aggressively they are tuned. Out if these two CPUs I would pick E5-2660 V3. E5-1650 V3 is good for gaming when overclocked.
You made a mistake with the memory modules, the system works perfectly fine with modules that different rank configurations, but they need to all be of the same bit width type, so x4 or x8. For example, you could pop in a 16GB 2Rx4 module, 2x 8GB 1Rx4 modules and 4x 4GB 1Rx4 modules, leaving one slot next to the 16GB module blank.
Also beware of the weight of the case itself. Its like roughly 11-13 kgs. I bought a used one not so long ago & was "sure i can carry it home from the postal office np". At the postal office the postal worker who came with my package was a small woman who gave me a "why did you order a pack of concrete bricks?"-dissaproving look. I could still feel it in my arms the next day, lol. Was a bit worried about all the little fans being noisy but its a lovely quiet machine. Probably because it mush have been build to withstand nuclear blasts :D
Hah! I recognize the experience! My way home from the local post office is up a hill with multiple stairs to climb, so I am having fun every now and then when I misjudge the package weight or size.
I got i old HP Z820 with crap V1 CPUs, but i take care to get one with motherboard with 2013 bootloader, that support V2 CPU, i just fighting with noise, fan are double as some other systems, still not pinpointed the cause, after that, i will get some V2 Xeon on aliexpress, probably E5-2697v2 for a silent virtualization server, but still the noise problem... any advice?
You can use the "low noise" adapters, if the fans are standard 3/4-pin. You can also try to service the fans by lubricating them. For CPU I would recommend E5-2696 V2, almost identical performance to E5-2697 V2, but significantly cheaper.
@@Miyconst Sadly HP make all proprietary, with the shroud, quite cleaver, it would be nice to fit some Noctuas inside, i will research more, and thank you about the tip of E5-2696 V2, its a OEM CPU, that the reason i didnt find out about, much cheaper indeed!
@@data9k Yeah, that's what I hate about these HP/Dell workstations, they are trying to make it either "single time use" or "through manufacturer only", which is very expensive.
Ive got a problem with my T5810....whenever I put it to sleep and turn it back on, it does turn on but gives no display.....and then I have to force shutdown and restart it. Can someone help me with this issue please?
@@Miyconst The modded bios that I flashed didnt make any change.....initially I bricked the bios, but after a day I recovered it with the midded Bios....but when I booted the pc and stress tested it, there wasnt any change in cpu turbo clocks.....So now i was thinking of using an unlocked processor with the Sleep-Wake cycle, but my sleep doesnt seem to work.. Im trying to find a fix for it but i cannot.....people have successfully overclocked ublocked Cpus on T5810 using Sleep-Wake cycles, but I cant seem to wake it from sleep properly... Any help shall be appreciated
Hi. Need some help. Have same motherboard, E5-2620 V4 processor and 8 sticks of 8GB each (1RX8 PC4-2666V-RD1-11) and SOLID GEAR Power supplu of 650W. For some reason I can't get it to boot. I have 24 pin connector to MB but there is a 10 pin on MB says POWER2>>!! Do I need to connect anything on there ( 10 pin connector that says POWER2). Thanks!
This Dell motherboard uses proprietary Dell connectors, you can't use the standard PSU. You have to either buy connectors from AliExpress or make them yourself.
@@Miyconst thanks. But 24 pin fits in there? What else do I need? And I just read something saying my RAM probably is not ECC so do you think that may be the case? My RAM has 10 ( 5 front and 5 back) chips...which someone said that if number of chips is even when you devide by 3 than the RAM is ECC so mine is not looks like 😕
@@MZ-Limi It could be the case, but you have to search in Google by the model name to be sure. If the connector fits, it does not yet mean that it has the same pin location, once I have killed a power supply by connecting it to a Fujitsu OEM motherboard, because "it was fitting" in there.
Thanks. I tested the power supply and basically still goes on when I connect green and black wire.... Thanks for the tip...my next step will be to test a different RAM that is ECC and see what happens
I have the precision 5810 E6 1650v3 685w PSU that thing about dell proprietary is what gets me because searching for parts should one fail will be a hustle down the line if I have money I was planning to upgrade the graphics card I know the RTX3000 series with that PSU will be overdoing it. but can it at least safely run an RXT 2080ti super if considering it as a final upgrade right now the system has a Quadro K2200 I can feel it straining in 3dmax 2022 rendering with Vray even in after effects and premier just using some transitions and callouts in has lag I have to reduce the resolution to a quarter just to preview.
@@Miyconst I see but considering the 685W PSU which is dell proprietary meaning the max upgrade I can get for this workstation is the 825W. with the current build I have it can an RXT 3080 or 3080Ti or is the 3070 the limit for me.
Hi it's easy to download the files but I have no ideas how to use them. Would you mind sharing the tutorial to flash the bios with the files that you got? Many thanks :)
@@Miyconst just make sure everything is seated correctly, and at first it's going to take some time to boot. Just take your time and take slowly. Now I'm thinking of installing a 18 core 36 thread cpu. Thanks for your videos Myconst, always great and on point. Greetings from México.
My T5810 with modded bios freeze after wake from sleep mode, i was trying bios from Myiconst page, also i was modify original bios with s3turbotool with the same effect, someone had this problem ?
@@Miyconst Does this mean that if I use the modded bios from the Myiconst page, I will have to disable sleep mode on Windows 10? Thanks again for the deep dive on this unit. Mine is coming in soon and I plan on installing E5-2680 v3 and hopefully overclock it.
Hello to anyone out there, I will soon get a T5810 with 1620 v3 and 8 gigs of DDR4 ECC Ram which I bought for a total of 115€ shipped. I‘d like to upgrade it with Xeon E5 2697 V3, 32 Gigs of non-ECC ram (already have it laying around) and of course do the turbo unlock. I never used an eeprom flasher and I couldn’t find a tutorial for that specific computer. Is someone out there who can provide a tutorial on how to use it? Thanks a lot!
There are no special details about Dell T5810, the programmer can be used just like with any other motherboard. I have a detailed step by step guide: ruclips.net/video/4qX2zihB6UE/видео.html
Thank you so much! And what about vrm cooling? I mean that 2697 draws like 145 Watts, have you experienced any cooling issues during full load? Or is it likely, that the 2697v3 will cause more heat to the vrm compared to the 2673v3? Thanks in advance and keep up the work! 🙂
@@richardp3350 these Dell machines are rather well made and if you keep good airflow in the chassis then your E5-2697 V3 will be just fine, still if you are really concerned you can buy those small heatsinks that you glue onto the VRM components. For example you can take the ones designed for Raspberry Pi.
I had an old LGA 1155 Dell, what a piece of junk, forget the model number offhand but: E3-1270, 8GB and sigh.... All the Dell proprietary crap. When I took it apart, the board was ATX for factor and 24 pin power. But that is about where my joy ended. I took it apartand moved it into a more open case I had lying around. That was when I learned of the "issues" with Dell... Just about all of the headers are "proprietary" fan headers (even the cpu fan!), USB headers, temperature sensors, case intrusion sensor, even the (censored) POWER button! Even when gimmicking everything together you can't boot it because you will get a dozen fan/sensor failure errors. I don't recall if you can turn off the warnings in the bios, because the stock bios is trash, but I was able to eventually bipass the trouble and get it to boot from my SSD. With the GTX750TI I shoved in it, it worked ok for a 4 core machine. But having all of the fans running at 100% (because I rigged them up to Molex plugs) coupled with annoying boot errors made it impractical. Build quality is top notch, I will give them that, but it doesn't outweigh the hoops you have to jump through to upgrade if you're an enthusiast. I was happy to see an actual Windows 10 Pro key sticker on the case. Until I discovered it was one of those OEM/Bios locked keys....
Thanks for your English Vidéos, just great.
Thanks for another very informative video, you have the best explanations, pragmatic and you are providing the best content in this area. Already working with an Asus x99 Deluxe, found 4 x 16gb ram sticks for around 10 USD each (the guy had them for over 3 months, he wanted to get rid of them). Got a 1620 v3 for the time being and waiting for Aliexpress package.
Seems like you have got a steal deal for those memory modules.
Please share your experience with the x99 deluxe because i am waiting for mine (because of the global pandemic) and that price on the ram... lol the guy got ripped off :D
@@dakata2416 Asus X99 Deluxe are hard to come by, and when they appear on the second hand market, they are usually very overpriced, thus I am not sure I will be able to get one for testing.
@@Miyconst Привет друг. Подскажи мне пожалуйста. Я бы хотел бы узнать по поводу максимальной длинны видеокарты.
У меня есть 7800XT файтер. Влезет ли она сюда без проблем или нет. Дякую тебе.
Just picked one of these up for $43 USD and free shipping. Came with a 1607 v3, so i upgraded to a 2620 v3 i had on a shelf and paired it to a 1660. System works outstanding and will be a great quick flip. So much value per dollar in these builds. I did have to modify the side panel to accommodate the 1660.
Hey man, thank you for the BIOS and great video. With your bios and TS 9.2 i OC my 1660v3 to 3.9 before she got really hot with the stock cooler.Much appreciated!👍
Are you saying you flashed the 26xx v3 turbo unlock bios and overclocked your 1660v3 to 3.9 GHz?
This comment is a late addition but just in case it helps someone: unlocked Xeons (1650/1660/1680 V3, and possibly 1620 V3) can be overclocked without too much trouble on these T5810 machines. There are two parts to this: first, you need to install ThrottleStop (note: the latest version (9.5) wasn't working well for me so I suggest using version 9.4).
The second part is putting the machine in sleep mode and then waking it up again. This will disable the regular overclocking and overvolting restrictions that the BIOS puts in place upon initial boot. No hardware or BIOS modifications are required, only the sleep -> wake-up cycle.
Increase your frequencies by going into ThrottleStop's FIVR panel, tick the 'Overclock' checkbox in the Turbo Ratio Limits section and then increase the turbo ratios, perhaps to 40 initially. On the main panel, also increase the ratios (to the same number) and tick the 'Set Multiplier' checkbox to the left of where you specified the ratios. (Sometimes, pressing the 'Turn On' button, in addition to the prior steps, may help if your changes didn't take for some reason.)
For higher frequencies, you'll eventually have to increase voltage in the FIVR panel. With my 1650, I was able to get a stable all-core 4.5 GHz overclock at around 1.19V for the CPU core and cache. (Voltages higher than that pretty soon run into other power and thermal limits of these machines.)
(About the 1620 V3 processors: I think I read somewhere that these can be overclocked but only to 4.3 GHz; I have no first-hand experience about this aspect.)
Thank you for the info, here are some more bits from me: this overclocking method doesn't work with the latest T5810 BIOS and E5-1620 V3, E5-1630 V3 are locked, no overclocking is possible.
Strange - on my side, I see this working well with the latest BIOS (version A34, release date 17 Nov 2020, stock/unmodified); this is on Windows 10 Pro, version 21H2, OS build 19044.1889. (I have seen this work for other people too.)
Thanks for all your great content!
@@shadowgrue okay, if I happen to have the workstation again, I will check again, because it didn't work for me.
@@shadowgrue hmm I am wondering if this would work with my i7 5930k because I can't get to turbo boost above 3.6 ghz on t5810.. I will check it out,
@@Miyconst just checked with 5930k, I can confirm that what the fellow above says is correct. One sleep and you are able to change volts and multipliers on Thermalstop 6.4. Dell Precision T5810 is lovely now!
Excellent Review! Glad to see more older workstations reviews.
HI, NICE VIDEO AS ALWAYS!
Did you try to overclock with software method? like throttlestop or intel extreme utility? I had good chance years ago with a Dell Precision t3500
Thank you very much
Iam waiting your video about ddr3 dual cpu motherhood
Your videos are incredible!
It looks like some of the Precision 5820, which is the model following the 5810, are coming on the used market in the US. Those came out in 2018 so more of them should be coming off their service contracts. I picked up a fairly barebones unit (Xeon W-2102, 16 gb ram, Quadro P400) for USD $200 + $30 shipping from eBay today and plan on installing a $100 Xeon W-2140B QS in it.
Wonder if they will be an option in Europe soon.
Yeah, I am monitoring eBay for these options to test my W-2150B.
Nice work!
Are you planning on making a video about your programmer and how to flash the bios?
Maybe in the future.
@@Miyconst Near future please.
@@TahmeedShadeed Okay, maybe I will prioritize the video.
@@Miyconst Yes, Please, I would like a video on how you backed up this Dell computer bios and made the change and flashed it. I have a Dell T7910 so I assume it will work the same. Thank you
@@Miyconst I just bought a usb flash programmer and I am still waiting on your video on how to backup and mod your bios on this Dell T5810. Please hurry!! thank you!!
Very nice video! I recently purchased 2 T5600 workstations because they were so affordable. Dell's build quality is very good and they are easily serviced. I completely agree with the downsides you pointed out! I looked at other manufacturer's workstations but Dell had a much better design and build quality. They all have proprietary elements unfortunately but parts availability for the DEll systems is very good. Thank you for making this video!
Thank you for the support and good luck with your T5600.
I have both T5600 and T5810 desktop. I upgraded T5600 with dual e5-2687v2 and T5810 with e5-2690v4, intel 670p nvme ssd, rtx 3060, ecc pc4-21300 ram. They both running like a beast. Only this I wish was buying T7810 so I can have dual cpu.
Thanks for this. looking for a 'cheap but good' desktop, found the optiplex 9000 series and though to myself 'hrmm, what precision's were out around then?". Some hunting led me here and this is a great video. Not worried about overclocking but it is good to know the bios mod is possible and a good view of the internals. For $300ish plus a better GPU and maybe some money on a better CPU if I decide to go that route this is a no brainer over the optipex.
Thanks for very informative video bought barebone one on ebay for $149 added 2670 v3 $95, 32gb 2133 ddr4 $88, 480gb ssd, 1tb hd, gtx 970. Just ordered usb programmer $15 on amazon free 1 day delivery. Thanks again
Thank you for your video. I have been looking at that system as a replacement for my Dell T7610. Only thing that bothers me on the casing (I guess the 5810 has the same size) is the limitation regarding graficcard size. I had a MSI RX580 OC and I couldnt close the side panel due to a "strengthening bar" on the inside. Iirc correctly the maximum height was around 113 or 115mm. Theres a much bigger choice with NVIIA cards than with ATI for that.
Regarding the NVMe Boot. I use a USB Stick with Clover on it as a boot manager and it has a NVMe Driver which let me use the installed NVMe (on a PCIe adapter card) as a boot drive.
great review thanks. You didnt talk too much about Harddisks. Can you comment on how many 3.5'' HDs fit into the Casing as this workstation could make a good server as well. Also, can you comment on the Controller type and the HD performance you encountered. thanks again!
The custom build is actually better. For the price difference you got 12 cores vs 6 cores for the Dell. :)
Waiting on my 5810 with xeon 1620 and 32GB RAM. Will update to 2698v4, 256GB RAM, pcie card with nvme ssd and Noctua CPU cooler. There is Quadro P5000 16GB, so will buy another one and use it as my AI inference server :)
Btw, it's not documented anywhere
But this board does work with standard DDR4 UDIMM's
Only with some BIOS versions, not with every.
I just got a board in and modded it to ATX PSU, then realized it also worked with UDIMM's
So wanted to share here where lots of people check.
I'll backup the BIOS and upload it.
very good tutorial, accessed DELL T5610 with 2 2670v2 processors. Do you think the hack would be possible in this version? MiYconst, you always bring interesting things
No, turbo boost unlock works with Xeon V3 CPUs only.
One correction:
The T5810 *does* work with non-ECC memory, but it requires using a Core i7 processor.
These machines will boot the 6900K.
I am pretty happy with my t5810 I bought it a year ago for a 400 euros 1650v3 32gb ram 970 evo 512gb nvme and added 1070ti for 170 euro.
Seems like a very decent machine.
@@Miyconst I just bought second one for 80 euro no ram no hdds with 1620v3. Swapped the cpu with E5-2683 v3 and added 128gb ram from aliexpress for addtional 120 and my future homelab is ready :)) . Now i am looking to buy dells pci-e card for 4 nvme drives :) . Is there a way to upload the modified bios without the usb programmer?
Great review my man ! i have ordered a dell t5810 with a xeon e5 2670 v3. I want to turbo unlock the bios, but i see that the link you have provided for the modified and stock bios is not properly working. Can i have an updated link for the modified bios please?
Is the device fast in editing video ?
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What do you think about this
E5-2680 V4 35M
28 Core
Xeon E5-2680 V4 has 14 Cores and 28 Threads. It's an okay CPU, which performs about the same as E5-2678 V3 with Turbo Boost Unlock.
Will today be good for editing videos ??
I want to buy this dell 5810 and replace CPU with E5-2697A-V4, will this configuration work?? Need your recommendation.
Another excellent review, thank you.
It is disappointing -- though predictable -- that Dell does not allow CPU or RAM overclocking on this workstation. I agree it feels like a waste to put an OC-able CPU like the E5-1650v3 on a locked-down mobo like this one.
However, a few possibilities occur to me, ASSUMING you can pick one like the one you bought for a bargain price (I looked just now and saw no such deals). The first is what you alluded to, buy the T5810 and take the E5-1650v3 out and pair it with a OC-friendly mobo. Put in a decent LGA 2011v3 CPU in the Dell, and then flip it on eBay after testing to lower your cost of acquiring the E5-1650v3 (or other OC-able CPU). Alternatively, if you just want a turnkey system but want it for a lower price (or have a specific alternate CPU in mind), replace the E5-1650v3 with the processor of your choice and keep the Dell, but resell the 1650v3 to offset the cost of the CPU you put in (and what you paid for the T5810).
If I take either of these paths, I would of course need to know which CPUs this T5810 mobo supports. Can I assume that any LGA 2011v3 CPU would work? Also, which one(s) would be a good value if I wanted to flip the Dell, and which one would be good if I wanted to flip the CPU, but still wanted a workstation capable of high-performance calculations (similar to the FinTech benchmark you recently did for a client)?
According to the Dell specification, Xeon E5 V3 & V4 are supported, you might have to update BIOS, but any CPU shall work. The best value CPUs for such workstation in my opinion are: E5-2640 V3, E5-2660 V3, E5-2678 V3, E5-2690 V3.
@@Miyconst, thank you very much for your advice! I saw that Sandy Bridge E5-1650 is available for just $50, and considered trying that (because single-core performance is important to me, and it could be OC'd over 4.0 GHz), but considering the relative merits of the X79 & X99 motherboards, I think it would be better for me to go with the X99, which means LGA2011-3 socket, so I can't take advantage of this deal. I think I will try the mobo with DDR3 and DDR4 support, which should allow me to do some interesting benchmarks on data science workloads, comparing dual channel with quad channel, 32 GB vs 64 GB, and DDR3 vs DDR4. I will likely choose the E5-2678 if I can get it for a good price (so I can test DDR3 vs DDR4), and will just have to figure out a way to parallelize my algorithms to benefit from its many cores. :-)
@@felixfujishiro2304 Sounds like you have quite some fun ahead!
@@Miyconst I hope so! ;-) Thanks again!!!
Trying to undervolt a e5 2698 v3 here. It would pass stress tests at -50mv, but would randomly freeze under light load or idling even at -20mv. I was following the new S3 turbo unlock method, and C3/C6 were disabled. Any idea what might be causing the instability under very light load? Thanks in advance.
Nice video. I have a Precision 5820 with an i9 10980XE. I am suffering bad current limit throttling issues which I suspect are due to Dell enforced BIOS limits. I see you have modified and created a custom BIOS. Would it be possible to get in touch to see if its possible to modify the 5820 BIOS to raise such limits?
You can certainly contact me through Discord, but I don't think I can help with having a 5820 on my hands. You can also try to reach to iEngineer on GitHub, he can certainly help, but not for free.
Hello, thanks for the videos man. You're doing really good work! I have a question which chinese motherboards. I have a question about motherboards, which one is most recommended? I'm thinking of getting one. Also one more question. I found a seller selling 1:1 similar motherboard to Machinist x99. It's identical to my eye and specs are pretty same. Do you think its a good idea to buy that version?
The dell can overclock with throttlestop, just requires to put the pc to sleep then wake it. I got a dell t5810 with xeon e5 1660v3 clocked at 4ghz stable at 1.2v on the core, and can push it abit further with fine tuning but then im hitting the motherboards power limit
I've tried flashing this with a Raspberry Pi and CH341a and it doesn't post
Good for a budget computer.
I just found a Precision T5810 from a refurb site.
Xeon 1650 V3 3.5 Ghz.
64GB ddr4 and a Geforce 1080.
865W PSU.
512GB SSD with Win10 preinstalled.
All that for 530 USD. Is that a good deal?
Ive looked and cant find a better deal when it comes to complete refurbrigs.
Its just to replace a HP Z420 i got dirt cheap, its used as my second gaming rig (bent motherboard but otherwise excellent).
Any input is appreciated!
That sounds like a decent deal, but everything should be evaluated in comparison. Check how much you would have to pay for the same performance if you would buy parts individually.
Hope you are well! I have a question, For turbo boost unlock on T5810 I have to download the modded bios from your website and just flash it using bios flasher ?
You can do it that way but my BIOS is outdated and uses old TBU method so I would rather suggest to make your own mod based on the latest BIOS version.
@@Miyconst thanks for guidance as always, you are a legend wish you success in every aspect of your life.
Its overclockable with throttlestop. Only thing u have to do. Boot in to windows - sleep the pc, and wake it up. Throttle stop fuctions unlocks after this Running all cores at 4.2 ez. Only down side u have to this every pc boot. It comes close to 10400f , 8700 after oc.
Fantastic, maybe I'll have to buy a USB flash tool to try this on my t7810. Did you modify the bios yourself like you did with the chinese motherboards or did you find an already modified bios? I'm a little hesitant since I've already got my 825w PSU stretched to the max with this dual 2678/dual GPU setup. By the way, you can either use the 6 pins in an 8 pin connector as they are since they have the 3 12v lines, or buy the dell dual 8-pin harness to replace the 6 pin harness. I also have modified a Noctua NH-D9DX i4 3U by moving the 2011 brackets from the top of the heat plate to the bottom, and they screw into the dell backplate holes now, this significantly reduced my temperatures. I used the second set of fan clips that came with the heatsink to attach the default dell fan to the other side of the heatsink and have the noctua fan hooked up to a spare SATA power cable. This way dell diagnostics doesn't throw an error on the fan when it's expecting 5000 rpm out of the 2000 rpm noctua fan through a dell 5 pin adapter.
I have prepared my BIOS myself, because I could not find any ready made BIOS files for this motherboard. 825W could be on the low side with dual CPU & dual GPU setup, but you can monitor entire computer electricity consumption, and if it stays under 750W during load - you shall be safe to apply the Turbo Frequency Unlock.
@@Miyconst I haven't run a true stress test on the system, but when both GPUs and some CPU are utilized during processing on Meshroom, I saw a max power consumption spike of around 580W read on my UPS.
@@crazyivan315 Then you shall be safe to perform the Turbo Unlock hack, just remember, you are responsible for everything you do. 😉
Hey Miyconst, which build do you suggest for competitive gaming? like i think 2673v3 with turbo unlock is overkill (it has 4ghz turbo) does it work 4ghz on all cores after turbo unlock?
what you suggest a budget competitive build?
Are chinese mboards better choice than Dell/HP systems?
E5-2673 V3 has maximum Turbo Frequency of 3.1 GHz, I have no idea where you found the 4.0 GHz value. For competitive gaming I would suggest JingSha X99 D8 + E5-1650 V3.
@@Miyconst oh i see, i found here.. the website must ve done a mistake: www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-2673+v3+%40+2.40GHz&id=2606
у китайцев вышла новая двухсокетная x99 за 100 евро) ждем на обзор)
Вона вже їде до мене. 😉
hey @Miyconst, the modified BIOS link appears broken. I just bought one of these and would love to get a turbo unlocked BIOS version. Thanks in advance!
Thank you for the notice, the link has been fixed now.
Great video as always! Miyconst off topic. Do you know the Dimm layout for the Jingsha x99 dual cpu motherboard. I'm having trouble with ram configuration. If I put ram in certain slots I get code 67 on boot. Right now it have 1 in each of the 4 sections and its working but I'd like to add more ram. Please if you know the proper Dimm slots A,B,C,D,F please reply THANKS!
The RAM shall work in any slot, because this motherboard has only one memory slot per channel, but each CPU needs its own RAM, if you install two CPUs, but put all RAM into one CPU, the system will fail to boot.
@@Miyconst thank you. Also I populated all memory slots and got boot code 67. How can you tell if you have single rank or dual rank modules. Maybe that is my issue. Thanks
@@thomasb4478 Do you have identical memory modules? Compare their model numbers and see if you have any different modules.
@@Miyconst Thank you so much for your help... I just put one stick of ram in at a time and rebooted until all slots were full. It worked! I think when I first put it together I should have set the bios to defaults before installing ram all at one time. Also the dual 2678-v3 in Cinebench gets a 3606 in multi thread and an 111069 in CPU-Z cpu bench test. I can't wait for you to do thorough tests on this when you get a buyer. :)
That's with your turbo boost tutorial.
Can you show show us how to modify the bios? I got the same exact PC and spend days how to push 2673 v3 to 3.1ghz. Also, you can check the power button LED for debugging.
Hello and thanks for the video....I would like to buy a Dell Precision T5810....but I didn't understand one thing....if I use an NVMe m2 SSD mounted on a PCIe adapter...the PC can do boot natively from the NVMe M2 SSD, or do I have to modify the bios??? I have an ASrock Z77 and to make it boot from the NVMe M2 SSD mounted on the PCIe adapter I had to use a modified bios....Thank you very much!!!
Hi. It's been really long since I published that video and I don't remember for sure but if I remember correctly then NVMe boot is natively supported by T5810.
@@Miyconst thank you so mach !!!!
Will you make videos of Aliexpress's X79?
Most likely not, the X79 platform is quite old by now, and there is already lots and lots of information available on the Internet.
Hello man, I need your help here. I'm planning on buying this motherboard($40 on ebay) by separate and putting a Xeon E5-2630v3 and ECC ram for building a video editing and gaming machine. I think the problem would be the case and fans... Do you think it would work for me? I just want to go very cheap... Or maybe should I go for a new chinese x99 board? Thanks.
Do yourself a favor and either buy a complete Dell workstation or build using the standard components. These motherboards are pain to work with outside of their native chassis.
4:24 There is led indicator on the front panel , its 4 numbers on the front panel near the power button. if it stays on 1 , 2 its a ram problem
Thanks for the info, it would be useful if I get another one in the future.
Hi, Great video, one question,
I want to install hard disks in HDD 02 and 03 SATA ports, where do i connect the SATA power cable I have not figured it out.
What kind of a power cable will fit?
As far as I remember, in this Dell workstation SATA power is supplied from the motherboard, and not from the power supply. If you are missing the cables you can search for them on eBay.
@@Miyconst thank you, where does it connect to on the motherboard?
I'm very much considering one of these, but I'm concerned about the PSU. my GPU has 2x 8 pin power connectors on it.
What I've noticed is that it is significantly cheaper to buy a dell workstation than to buy similar parts individually.
Do you know of any way to get more 8 pin connectors on this PSU? It certainly has enough wattage to drive my HD 7950.
You can use a Y-splitter, they are available on AliExpress.
There are to type of BIOS on this board for t5810:
WINBOND 25Q128FVSG
Macronix International MX25L12839F
dont try to flash it done this couple of month ago without checking
Thanks for the info! Yes, it's very important to have the correct BIOS.
@@Miyconst Any possible way u can mod bios for this winbond chip? I can send bin on DC
Hi, could you please describe what kind of certification PSU has in this workstation: I mean gold, platinum, etc? You said "not bad power supply" - is it energy-efficient or reliable? Does you expression rely on this particular experience or you assume that Dell PSU is good in general?
This particular workstation had a good power supply. I can't say certification, because Dell does not bother to obtain the certificate, but according to the specs it should be close to 80+ Gold. There are other Dell workstations, which are made to be as cheap as possible, those have crappy power supplies.
@@Miyconst right, I bought two t5810 today and their psu has lable 80 gold +. Lable is visible when psu is unplugged. It can run 2 gpu with 110 W each. I reduced power limit of gpus because host turns off when power is above that threshold. This is 685 w psu and I expected it can ran 3 such gpus. I have 2 t5810 and both behave this way. I turned off 3 from 4 cores of my xeon 16xx. Ark.intel says this cpu consumes about 130 w. fans run 100%. Reducing speed of fans doesn't help. Interesting why this 685 w psu can run only 2 gpus with 220 W in total. Is consumption of PCI-e limited or maybe something in this motherboard consumes too much power.
@@marksmirnov660 I honestly have no clue, but it seems like Dell cheaped out even with this 80+ Gold unit and split the 12V lane into multiple rails with. In this case when the power draw exceeds on a single rail it shuts of. Again, I am not an expert in PSUs and some pros might be able to explain it by looking into the PSU internals, but not me.
same conclusion i reached years ago when dealing with 3610 , bought them for 1650v2 and swapped these for 2640v2 so i can use the unlocked cpus on real motherboards
i stopped buyng those platforms when i tried to use 2gb ddr3 ecc reg sticks into one that came with 2x4gb and the pc stopped working forever (tried everything with original ram, CMOS reset, CD restore for bios, EC reset...nothing) i did not want to risk this problem again
Are you sure it's not the RAM's problem? Also, did you try to reflash the BIOS?
@@Miyconst tried reflashing by making a dell recovery cd Rom. RAM was ok on another x79 board. The system actually has 4 diagnostic leds numbered from 1 to 4 and i got a motherboard error
Anyway i just got a 3610 for 300 euros with a w5000 firepro and 64gb ddr3 last week because i want to try hackintosh in that system and the value was just too good. Have a 2640 v2 around ready but i will not touch the RAM at all. The w5000 is a solid entry level workstation card
@@gabrielecarbone8235 I see, too bad then.
PS got it wrong i use 2630 v2 , the 6 core high frequency one
Great video but do you have a video where you install custom cooler on it im interested to see if i can improve the temperatures on the cpu and the airflow
I don't have such video, sorry.
@@Miyconst i have a Dell Precision T5810 with E5-1650-V3 32gb of ram DDR4 with a quadro K4200...i plan to install an RX 5500 XT since its the compatible alternative to the GTX 1660TI for this what do you think i should go for? Or its not worth it? Let me know thanks!
RX 5500 is an alternative to GTX 1650 Super. If you want GTX 1660 Ti or better performance, you have to go with RX 5600XT.
@@Miyconst i meant RX 5500 XT not simple 5500 but yeah ill see 5600 too thanks
@@DD-ow4or I understood what you mean, RX 5500XT is on the same level as GTX 1650 Super.
A good budget workstation and gaming computer but a barely average review.
Max ram is 256GB DDR4 ECC 2666
Max CPU is Xeon E5-2699 V4 22T/44C
You can install the matching quad NVME M.2 card , the Thunderbolt 3 card, two 225W GPUs, 1300W PSU and plenty of other options.
I see that we are looking at the thing from different points of view. For certain use-cases this machine is a very decent option, but in most cases it's better to skip, at least in opinion. Of course, as everything else, if you can get one for a very good price - go for it, but if they ask premium because it's a Dell - skip it. Also, could you please elaborate on this the Thunderbolt expansion cards? As far as I know, you need a special header on the motherboard to make it work properly.
@@Miyconst I agree that there are a few sellers out there who try to gouge the price because of the label but in general used Dell workstations are available very cheaply, mine with the spec above cost less than $750 USD for the original machine and the upgrades. Using well thought out such techniques on eBay and other sites will produce many listings at very reasonable prices.
The special header for the thunderbolt cards (available in version 1, 2, and 3 for less than $50 USD) is a five-pin GPIO header and is not specific to this machine. The complete installation kit comes with the card, GPIO header cable, and display port loop through cable. As well as being aware that it is compatible with your particular motherboard you have to be aware that it only works in one slot, in the T5810 and T7810 it must be installed in slot 5.
@@TalmidAndy thanks for the extra info! Could you please share a link to the Thunderbolt header? It seems very interesting. Would this work with other motherboards or it's specific for the Dell machines? Regarding the pricing, unfortunately, here in EU (Sweden) prices for these Dell machines are usually outrages, 9 out of 10 times I am able to produce a better machine with a mix of second hand and new components, where everything is standard and can be upgraded in the future with no hassle.
@@Miyconst there are many models, both towers and rack mounts, compatible with the cards. For example the full height Thunderbolt 3 card is listed by Dell as compatible with the list below but it also works in others with the appropriate motherboard header..
Precision Workstation T3620 MT
Precision Workstation 7820 Tower
Precision Workstation T7820XL Tower
Precision Workstation T7920XL Tower
Precision Workstation 7920 Tower
Precision Workstation 5820 Tower
Precision Workstation T5820XL Tower
XPS 8930 Tower
Precision Workstation 3630 Tower
Precision Workstation 3630XL Tower
Alienware Aurora R7
Precision Workstation R3930
Precision Workstation R3930 XL
Alienware Aurora R8
OptiPlex 7070 MT
OptiPlex 7070 SFF
Alienware Aurora R9
@@TalmidAndy thanks! I will check that out.
I'm upgrading graphics to Nvidia Quadro k2200, what enough power supply to be use?
Does the mobo have a speaker connector - perhaps if you attach a piezo speaker it emits beep code errors in a none booting problem?
It does have a speaker connector, but the connector has a proprietary Dell standard. Others mentioned in the comments that the power button has some LEDs built in, which light up in certain way in case of a boot error.
I accidentally bought a xeon v4 for this computer, its the same socket however looks different to the v3. Do you know if it's possible to BIOS update for compatibility or will I need to order a xeon E5 V3 cpu
It depends on which Dell machine you have got. Some support V4 CPUs, others don't. You have to check your BIOS version, product tag, and find out on the Dell website if V4 CPUs are supported.
Will that usb bios bypass update work with 256gb ecc rdimm server ram for my project I am working on.
I have this Dell T5810 Tower, please test it with 2678 V3 with stock BIOS. I want to know how high the clockspeed . thanks
The stock clocks will be 2.6-2.8 GHz, depends on the workload. I no longer have the workstation, thus I can't test it again.
@@Miyconst In your experience how high the clockspeed for I install 2690 V3 if using it in this dell system? the prices here in Malaysia is very cheap.
@@scgtimk1 with Turbo Boost Unlock the clocks will be 3.1 - 3.5 GHz.
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Aren't those holes around VRM standard ones? You could find radiator for that at around 1-2€ on ebay.
I think so, but in my opinion, the main point of such workstation purchase is plug-n-play, if you have to buy and install extra thingies then it makes more sense to assemble everything yourself.
@@Miyconst My point was that if you plan to use/sell this, it might be good idea to invest couple cents and install a radiator there. You wouldn't even have to pull everything off the case with some push-pins.
@@Adam130694 True. I was even thinking to take a radiator from my dead ASUS Z10PA-D8, but I still have some hopes to revive it :D.
@@Miyconst Maybe check if MoBo gives current into 3/4pin fan connectors (12V) or other measure points. If no power flows then you'd have hard time to bring it back. edit: Those used MoBos can be dirty which might cause shortcuts (metal in PCI-E slots or so), ultrasonic bath is a stupid but sometimes working option.
@@Adam130694 Since the CPU fan starts to spin up when I attempt to boot, I can assume that there is 12V current on the pins, but I have no tools to investigate further, so I am looking to see if someone local could be interested to attempt to fix it.
Hey I know it’s kinda late but my dad just brought one of these home from his office and I was wondering if there is any hope of turning it into a gaming pc. The graphics card needs to go but other than that I’m not sure if it needs anything else or if it’s even worth trying.
It depends on what you have got inside. Specify full specification of the machine.
@@Miyconst it has a intel Xeon cpu es 1607 v3 3.10 ghz, 24 gb of ram, and a nvidia Nvs 315 graphics card. I hope that helps I really know nothing about pcs
@@thomasbuckley7091 I think you can turn it into a decent gaming PC by installing Xeon E5-2666 V3, unlocking Turbo Boost, and adding a graphics card like GTX 1060.
Is it possible to turbo unlock Dell t7810 with bios flasher? Ordered one on ebay with 2x2650v3 will come in next couple of days.
It should be possible, but hard to say without trying it myself.
I got just one of these and am looking to upgrade it but mine has no power cable at all for a GPU and i see no 6 pin. When i look at it, there is a plug for 8 pin. Can i do an 8pin to 8pin?
You need to buy a Dell cable or make one yourself, just don't try to plug in any random cable because it may short the circuit.
I'm looking at one of these on eBay so this video was really helpful. How is the noise level?
Looking at either E5-2660 v3 or E5-1650 v3 - price is about the same but 2660 has more cores, 1650 much higher clock speed. This will run as a 24x7 workstation and server.
The noise level is rather okay, depends on how many fans are installed and how aggressively they are tuned. Out if these two CPUs I would pick E5-2660 V3. E5-1650 V3 is good for gaming when overclocked.
I just got one of these for free, I want to set up a Linux file server with it, any advice?
Just follow one of the many file server setup guides, this Dell workstation works just like a regular PC / server.
You made a mistake with the memory modules, the system works perfectly fine with modules that different rank configurations, but they need to all be of the same bit width type, so x4 or x8.
For example, you could pop in a 16GB 2Rx4 module, 2x 8GB 1Rx4 modules and 4x 4GB 1Rx4 modules, leaving one slot next to the 16GB module blank.
Miyconst can you make a video with a z440 motherboard
Yes, if someone gives me the motherboard.
I've been waiting for :)
@@Miyconst I'm broke :( jejeje but also another interesting video would be the alzenith x99z v600 dtx
@@gg5216 I don't think that motherboard is worth any attention.
Also beware of the weight of the case itself. Its like roughly 11-13 kgs. I bought a used one not so long ago & was "sure i can carry it home from the postal office np". At the postal office the postal worker who came with my package was a small woman who gave me a "why did you order a pack of concrete bricks?"-dissaproving look. I could still feel it in my arms the next day, lol. Was a bit worried about all the little fans being noisy but its a lovely quiet machine. Probably because it mush have been build to withstand nuclear blasts :D
Hah! I recognize the experience! My way home from the local post office is up a hill with multiple stairs to climb, so I am having fun every now and then when I misjudge the package weight or size.
There is a new orange x99 motherboard from kllisre for 75$ with 4 ram slot, is that the same as altermiter?
It is definitely based on the same PCB, but I have to test it to be able to tell you some more details.
Hey there! Could you recommend me some E-ATX full towers? Thanks and good video
DeepCool Matrexx 50 or 55 is good. Not the best but looks nice and E-Atx fits.
i have the same device with e5 1630 v3 , 16 gb ram , gtx 780 , do i need to upgrade if i am only use is adobe photoshop and Premiere ?
No, if your workstation fulfills your needs - keep it.
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with this bios hack, is it possible to under volt the e5 xeon v4? Thanks!
I don't think so, but I have never tried myself.
I guess with Throttlestop possible undevolt without this hack. I try with v3 and it works :D .
@@csabapataki8752 In windows 10 and 11 Throttlestop should work. but I will be using this xeon v4 in Proxmox,
I need help going about unlocking the bios so I can make the CPU Run better
is it can be done unlocking turbo boost dell 5810 using newest version of s3 turbotool..?
I didn't try it myself, but it should be possible.
Would you happen to know if I can upgrade from a 1660 v3 to a 2600 series CPU?
Yes, you can surely upgrade to E5-2600 V3.
@@Miyconst Thank you so much for the reply! Much appreciated.
How does it compare to Jingsha dual X99 in terms of performance and functionality?
I don't think it's correct to compare single socket with dual socket solutions, they are designed to serve completely different purposes.
@@Miyconst Agreed! You'll need to review a Dell Precision T7910 next! :)
@@booboo699254 Only if I get one for a good price :)
I got i old HP Z820 with crap V1 CPUs, but i take care to get one with motherboard with 2013 bootloader, that support V2 CPU, i just fighting with noise, fan are double as some other systems, still not pinpointed the cause, after that, i will get some V2 Xeon on aliexpress, probably E5-2697v2 for a silent virtualization server, but still the noise problem... any advice?
You can use the "low noise" adapters, if the fans are standard 3/4-pin. You can also try to service the fans by lubricating them. For CPU I would recommend E5-2696 V2, almost identical performance to E5-2697 V2, but significantly cheaper.
@@Miyconst Sadly HP make all proprietary, with the shroud, quite cleaver, it would be nice to fit some Noctuas inside, i will research more, and thank you about the tip of E5-2696 V2, its a OEM CPU, that the reason i didnt find out about, much cheaper indeed!
@@data9k Yeah, that's what I hate about these HP/Dell workstations, they are trying to make it either "single time use" or "through manufacturer only", which is very expensive.
Ive got a problem with my T5810....whenever I put it to sleep and turn it back on, it does turn on but gives no display.....and then I have to force shutdown and restart it. Can someone help me with this issue please?
Did you unlock Turbo Boost?
@@Miyconst The modded bios that I flashed didnt make any change.....initially I bricked the bios, but after a day I recovered it with the midded Bios....but when I booted the pc and stress tested it, there wasnt any change in cpu turbo clocks.....So now i was thinking of using an unlocked processor with the Sleep-Wake cycle, but my sleep doesnt seem to work..
Im trying to find a fix for it but i cannot.....people have successfully overclocked ublocked Cpus on T5810 using Sleep-Wake cycles, but I cant seem to wake it from sleep properly...
Any help shall be appreciated
@@abdullahzamir7160 TBU is not compatible with the sleep mode, that's why you are having the issue.
Hi. Need some help. Have same motherboard, E5-2620 V4 processor and 8 sticks of 8GB each (1RX8 PC4-2666V-RD1-11) and SOLID GEAR Power supplu of 650W. For some reason I can't get it to boot. I have 24 pin connector to MB but there is a 10 pin on MB says POWER2>>!! Do I need to connect anything on there ( 10 pin connector that says POWER2). Thanks!
This Dell motherboard uses proprietary Dell connectors, you can't use the standard PSU. You have to either buy connectors from AliExpress or make them yourself.
@@Miyconst thanks. But 24 pin fits in there? What else do I need? And I just read something saying my RAM probably is not ECC so do you think that may be the case? My RAM has 10 ( 5 front and 5 back) chips...which someone said that if number of chips is even when you devide by 3 than the RAM is ECC so mine is not looks like 😕
@@MZ-Limi It could be the case, but you have to search in Google by the model name to be sure. If the connector fits, it does not yet mean that it has the same pin location, once I have killed a power supply by connecting it to a Fujitsu OEM motherboard, because "it was fitting" in there.
Thanks. I tested the power supply and basically still goes on when I connect green and black wire.... Thanks for the tip...my next step will be to test a different RAM that is ECC and see what happens
I have the precision 5810 E6 1650v3 685w PSU that thing about dell proprietary is what gets me because searching for parts should one fail will be a hustle down the line if I have money I was planning to upgrade the graphics card I know the RTX3000 series with that PSU will be overdoing it. but can it at least safely run an RXT 2080ti super if considering it as a final upgrade right now the system has a Quadro K2200 I can feel it straining in 3dmax 2022 rendering with Vray even in after effects and premier just using some transitions and callouts in has lag I have to reduce the resolution to a quarter just to preview.
RTX 2080 Ti is a power hungry GPU, I would rather get an RTX 3060 / 3060 Ti / 3070.
@@Miyconst I see but considering the 685W PSU which is dell proprietary meaning the max upgrade I can get for this workstation is the 825W. with the current build I have it can an RXT 3080 or 3080Ti or is the 3070 the limit for me.
@@KINGMANJARO_343 You can put in the 1300W unit from 7810. They are compatible.
I have a 2x32GB DDR 4 RDIMM 3200, that will work on t8510 ?
It should work, but I can't guarantee, since I didn't test it myself.
Hi it's easy to download the files but I have no ideas how to use them. Would you mind sharing the tutorial to flash the bios with the files that you got? Many thanks :)
You need an external USB flash programmer, for example CH341a to flash BIOS on this workstation.
@@Miyconst do you have tutorials on how to flash the bios with that usb stuffs?
@@ngocthuongnguyen3636 Not yet, but I have plans to make such one.
@@Miyconst awesome looking forward to that :)
How unlock turbo boost on 1650v3? My stuck on 3,5ghz and dont turbo. I have this station Dell 5810
E5-1650 V3 is not compatible with TBU.
@@Miyconst xeon 2697v3 or 2673V3 are compatible ?
@@kamilpluta1683 please watch this video: ruclips.net/video/IsgBQ0ZMxYY/видео.htmlsi=GOb1gOqO8Ac3uuaU
@@Miyconst i have dell T5810 i see your post on site and i I will try flash my bios with your moded rom
If I upgrade to 825 watt psu do i get four 6 pin pcie connectors?
Sorry, I am not aware of the Dell PSU specs, but you can check on their website.
In my country, 5810 is selling in 185£. Woaw
That's a steal deal, if you need it, of course.
Place ripley my comment i have intel xenon E5 2640 v4 2.40hz cpu so i want to buy jingsha x99gt can it will be accept this cpu on this motherboard
I am currently testing the X99-GT motherboard and the review should come out soon. In short: I do not recommend it.
Does it come with two processors or one?
Dell 5810 supports only one CPU, and usually it comes with it, but sometimes you can buy a barebone with no CPU installed.
Bought one, but can't get it to post with an NVME SSD and a gtx1060 :(
Too bad.
@@Miyconst Got it to work!
@@fuelhemi426 could you tell what was wrong and how you solved it?
@@Miyconst just make sure everything is seated correctly, and at first it's going to take some time to boot. Just take your time and take slowly. Now I'm thinking of installing a 18 core 36 thread cpu. Thanks for your videos Myconst, always great and on point. Greetings from México.
My T5810 with modded bios freeze after wake from sleep mode, i was trying bios from Myiconst page, also i was modify original bios with s3turbotool with the same effect, someone had this problem ?
Yes, I had the same behavior, sleep mode is simply not compatible with Turbo Boost Unlock and this Dell workstation.
@@Miyconst Does this mean that if I use the modded bios from the Myiconst page, I will have to disable sleep mode on Windows 10? Thanks again for the deep dive on this unit. Mine is coming in soon and I plan on installing E5-2680 v3 and hopefully overclock it.
@@seank8515 yes, it means exactly that.
Hello to anyone out there, I will soon get a T5810 with 1620 v3 and 8 gigs of DDR4 ECC Ram which I bought for a total of 115€ shipped. I‘d like to upgrade it with Xeon E5 2697 V3, 32 Gigs of non-ECC ram (already have it laying around) and of course do the turbo unlock. I never used an eeprom flasher and I couldn’t find a tutorial for that specific computer. Is someone out there who can provide a tutorial on how to use it? Thanks a lot!
There are no special details about Dell T5810, the programmer can be used just like with any other motherboard. I have a detailed step by step guide: ruclips.net/video/4qX2zihB6UE/видео.html
Thank you so much! And what about vrm cooling? I mean that 2697 draws like 145 Watts, have you experienced any cooling issues during full load? Or is it likely, that the 2697v3 will cause more heat to the vrm compared to the 2673v3? Thanks in advance and keep up the work! 🙂
@@richardp3350 these Dell machines are rather well made and if you keep good airflow in the chassis then your E5-2697 V3 will be just fine, still if you are really concerned you can buy those small heatsinks that you glue onto the VRM components. For example you can take the ones designed for Raspberry Pi.
can this board computer cpu be boosted?
Please explain your question better.
I had an old LGA 1155 Dell, what a piece of junk, forget the model number offhand but:
E3-1270, 8GB and sigh.... All the Dell proprietary crap.
When I took it apart, the board was ATX for factor and 24 pin power. But that is about where my joy ended.
I took it apartand moved it into a more open case I had lying around.
That was when I learned of the "issues" with Dell... Just about all of the headers are "proprietary" fan headers (even the cpu fan!), USB headers, temperature sensors, case intrusion sensor, even the (censored) POWER button!
Even when gimmicking everything together you can't boot it because you will get a dozen fan/sensor failure errors.
I don't recall if you can turn off the warnings in the bios, because the stock bios is trash, but I was able to eventually bipass the trouble and get it to boot from my SSD.
With the GTX750TI I shoved in it, it worked ok for a 4 core machine. But having all of the fans running at 100% (because I rigged them up to Molex plugs) coupled with annoying boot errors made it impractical.
Build quality is top notch, I will give them that, but it doesn't outweigh the hoops you have to jump through to upgrade if you're an enthusiast.
I was happy to see an actual Windows 10 Pro key sticker on the case.
Until I discovered it was one of those OEM/Bios locked keys....
I got mine working with normal DDR4 RAM.
Yes, it seems like there are some BIOS versions that support UDIMM memory modules.
Porque dessas maquinas serem tao caras sendo que um simples Desktop tem um poder de processamento maior e menor custo
Great review! I'm waiting for the Russian version!
Can u put a rx580 in this?
Yes.
@@Miyconst ty also how would a xeon x5680 fair in this
@@wcghavii7625 You can't put a Xeon X CPU into the LGA 2011-3 socket, it only supports Xeon E5-XXXX V3 & V4.
@@Miyconst danm
Only ECC ram :( ?
darnit...
They say there are some BIOS options that do support UDIMMs, but I did not validate.
如果你使用长城巨龙1250w反而会更省钱，才100元，数字币挖矿时代的产物，性能非常好且货源充足。
这个电源只可以在中国购买。
@@Miyconst 同样可以使用aliexpress
@@deyu260 网址呢？
@@Miyconst 看上去aliexpress没上上架这类没有保修的产品，只能在上taobao，也没法享受群里的开车价了。item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=595922648147
@@deyu260 真可惜。我上次试试在淘宝买东西，都不行，必须有中国的电话号码和身份证。
Dell t5810 motherboard
Если покупать в Украине, то придется еще и пошлину платить. Алик в этом плане будет актуальнее.
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