Wow I can't believe this video is still up, this was back in 2004. I'm in this video doing the first section of Max300, second half of unlimited and first half of PSMO. Legend road was new around this time and only a handful of people have beaten it. Good times, good friends.
do u still play the game and do u ever want them to make more games like this I do I use to love the game takes me back when I was a kid and seeing this in arcades
I bookmarked this video so long ago, I was so impressed since I played ddr in mid 2000's. This video seriously makes me want to conquer max 300 as I never had before.
I started DDR in my first year of highschool which was in 04, i really enjoyed the game and sweating like crazy. Great to see you guys are doing your thing. Props, this video is legendary
Ohhh myyy godd the memories ;-; Back when everyone would stop what they were doing in the arcade if someone picked MAX 300 just to come and watch. Will never forget when DDR was super competitive.
Never could finish it on expert, but many songs I could. So when I played at my local tournament all the max300 players came out of nowhere. So I instead competed at the heavy level (I was a fairly new player and never competed before) and placed second thanks to MAX300 as my final song pick. It was fun times. Lost quite some weight back then too.
Oh man, the memories. I was actually at this tournament; first time I had seen Legend Road passed. Didn't even matter to me that it took as many people as it did. FYE needs to come back :(
People kind of need some context for this- at the time, iirc, no one in the US had perfected several the hardest songs, stepmania didn't exist, and other than buying your own ddr cabinet, practicing at home had to be done with shitty third party peripherals. I think JSB was the first American to perfect every song on record. There was also a weird level of disrespect for players who leaned on the bar too much.
wolfumz Very rare to see people put this into context in the comments sections of my videos. Thanks for posting. It's nice to know that not everyone is ignorant when it comes to putting things into context.
Anthony Carella I used to chat online with JSB all the time. One of the naturally funniest people I've ever talked to. People have no idea how impossible it was to practice these things outside the arcade, or that players from socal had to travel to arizonia to play on the latest cabinet. To be the best, you had to either grind (for a dollar a song) or possess a weird, otherwise useless, natural talent (like JSB). Kind of sad how DDR has evaporated from arcades, I never see it anymore.
Agreed. I was pretty cool with JSB and still periodically keep in contact with him. Him and myself are the only two people that I know of in the 2002-2005 era that AA'd PSMO S4R. After that time period, it seemed that ppl started buying ITG machines and the rest is history. When me and JSB and other ppl from that time played, it was truly the golden age of dancing games.
Anthony Carella The last I talked to JSB, he had finally moved out of his grandma's house and was transferring to a UC (berkeley? LA? can't remember). That was a long while ago, I sometimes wonder about how he's doing. He had a unique mix of talent/charisma and outright laziness (do you remember his sports betting phase?) You're name is only vaguely familiar to me, but then again, I was only peripherally involved in the scene (I was 15 and found myself in the arcades to play Street Fighter III and Marvel vs Capcom 2) but friends of mine really practiced and played a lot. It was a special time, when you had to find tournament videos from limewire or Kazaa and a streaming video was still ten years down the road. An inimitable slice of time for a tiny niche of people who came together for love of the game. ITG was coming up, and (my understanding) it was seen as a low quality knock-off, preferred only by a minority of players. Maybe it was a competitor that diluted the market for DDR players, but, _even_ _ITG_ evaporated from the arcades. It's rare to see a DDR/ITG machine even in a movie theater's arcade these days. Where I live, in San Diego, Nickel City is only arcade still open, and they took out DDR and ITG before 2008. My theory is, like fighting games, players simply started playing at home once they were able to. There's no reason to go to the arcade across town (and risk meeting people) if you can easily plug in your pad to your computer and play 300 pirated songs for free.
Anthony Carella Yo, I love we were nerding out about ddr this morning, and you end up on youtube about it later in the day. I watched these videos and they were nuts.
Back in the day shit!!! Remember I started perfection these songs then I went into 10th grade started partying hanging out with new friends stopped playing DDR....shit was sick!!!! These songs were legendary at the arcade if you saw someone pick one of these first your like "ohhhhhh shit" lol
I still come back to here from time to time to remind myself what it was like to play DDR with my older brothers in 2004 The feeling of hearing the machine and then searching for it in an arcade cannot be replicated
not to insult you sir william carson , well im an asian and we study english subject at school to learn how to speak english. I really thought that if you live in america/us where english is the basic communication language. you can learn english instantly without the need of going to school just to learn the proper way to it. so do my thoughts are wrong?
Paulo De Castro Not necessarily. Being born in an area that speaks English, you learn pretty fast. But if you are from else where then it is good to take a few courses in English before going anywhere. Theres only so much you can learn in a class though. My suggestion would be to just learn the basics then after that start learning through experience.
what makes these songs difficult is that they fatigue you so badly and you have to push through it. when you're constantly switching out people you don't have that problem. this is a lot less difficult than you might think
MrLedZeplin, you are crazy! Yea, the fatigue kills you but the timing on these songs are crazy hard too. I can play on expert but not THAT well. The last guy, with the tank and white arm band on, was awesome! Give props where its deserved. Also, I mostly play at home so have no backbar which def helps with these songs. i need to buy an arcade DDR. lol!!!!
I remember seeing this video when I was 12 or 13 years old and making it my inspiration to get to that caliber. Now 7 years later, I'm barely scratching the surface they can easily tear through.
Same here at all the malls I go to, & I swear all the malls I go to have gotten so lame without arcades anymore; it's so bull since now everyone just plays crappy games online. You don't get that feeling of awe playing games online with a pro as you do when you see a pro like this playing DDR in person, it's beautiful.
I hate pulling the "kids these days" card... But arcades now are literally just giant mobile game arenas in the US. You'll be lucky if you find anything good or even a DDR machine. I loved going to arcades or the local movie theater with my older brother and just huddling around the DDR machine and switching off with other people that were in line and then popping in those quarters. Some of the best memories I have were spent with my brothers going to arcades and hanging out. Swiping cards don't really have that satisfying feeling that popping in tokens or quarters had
It's called Round 1 and its a classic arcade experience with modern machines. Obviously no coins though sadly, but their DDR machines are both DDR A, which came out in 2016, and DDR 20th anniversary edition which was made in.. 2018? If anything, the music game scene for arcades is way bigger now than it ever was, and I played back in the early 2000s when all we had were extreme or max cabs.
@@Pheminon1 ): Do you at least have a Dave and Busters? Maybe get a home setup with stepmania X pads. They're really good. Could also try looking into a DDR community on reddit or some other place to ask around.
Hilarious. I can finally pass MAX 300 and Sakura with an A on Heavy. Kind of sad cause this nothing compared to ENDYMION and Paranoia Revolution. :( One day I'll be a good player. xD
This was held at the Jacob Javitz Center back in (I think) October 2006. They stopped doing these events at the JJC because the expo that it was done at is no longer held there.
i remember this song, i would always be like NOPE if it came on...just watching them gives me an adrenaline rush, and their transitions to another player is so smooth!
The Road of Legend is a course of songs in the game, not the game itself. The game is called Dance Dance Revolution Extreme for the PS2. You can probably get it for real cheap these days.
Yea dude this was when the game was pretty much new, at the time all these guys were amazing. Now its ITG where the stepcharts are insane, people do "keyboard" charts on their feet.
that part that most people don't know about this video is you are only allowed to miss 3 arrows before you are completely failed out. that's the most amazing part of this course.
All the new songs are insane than these songs now. Next song sets they put together are Possession, Go for the Top, Triple Journey, Valkyrie Dimension, Tohoku Evolved. I would like to see that happen.
@MrBigWart Sakura was planned to be the One More Extra Stage of DDR Extreme. Much like Kakumei in Max 2, the "Challenge"/"Oni" chart was made to be a bit easier because the OMES used that difficulty, and the developers believed that they needed to compensate for its "full combo or die" mode.
It's so weird watching videos this old because most of these don't even come close to the difficulty of newer songs. Back then, it was actually possible to pass songs without using the bar. (I don't think I've ever seen anyone pass Valkyrie Dimension without it, for example)
@MrSmoothgroove85 actually, it's a pretty smart move. he's keeping his center of gravity completely centered, which is why he's so balanced. it's everyone else that looks funny needing to hold the railing...
Agreed. No song in DDR up to 8th mix requires using bar to be passed. Most songs in ITG, however, are almost impossible for most people to pass without use of the bar on Expert mode.
I can do all of them in a row, but, if I'm right are they on Battery challenge... think so, in which case PSMO is a no go :[ Good work tho, I love these vids :]
The songs you mention are in the ~200 bpm region, which is certainly fast by conventional standards, but players like Mad Matt and Zetorux have long since left that behind. They're doing songs pushing 270bpm now; if they did something like Fascination Maxx today they would quad it without breaking a sweat. They're insane. For further enlightenment: watch?v=8UCz2Qa5T2c and watch?v=v9_WGoy_57U
![[ #DANCERUSH_STARDOM ] Crazy Shuffle Lv.9 - Matching Dance Step](/img/1.gif)
Wow I can't believe this video is still up, this was back in 2004. I'm in this video doing the first section of Max300, second half of unlimited and first half of PSMO. Legend road was new around this time and only a handful of people have beaten it. Good times, good friends.
do u still play the game and do u ever want them to make more games like this I do I use to love the game takes me back when I was a kid and seeing this in arcades
angel flores GOAT
I bookmarked this video so long ago, I was so impressed since I played ddr in mid 2000's. This video seriously makes me want to conquer max 300 as I never had before.
Hi 2018 here (2018)"sup"
I started DDR in my first year of highschool which was in 04, i really enjoyed the game and sweating like crazy. Great to see you guys are doing your thing. Props, this video is legendary
Ohhh myyy godd the memories ;-; Back when everyone would stop what they were doing in the arcade if someone picked MAX 300 just to come and watch. Will never forget when DDR was super competitive.
Chris SubZ yeah now still old players are only playing nowadays. People are now in comshop or at desktop.
5 year old content on how things used to be
It still happens at my local arcade
Never could finish it on expert, but many songs I could. So when I played at my local tournament all the max300 players came out of nowhere. So I instead competed at the heavy level (I was a fairly new player and never competed before) and placed second thanks to MAX300 as my final song pick.
It was fun times. Lost quite some weight back then too.
... The good old days.
Oh man, the memories. I was actually at this tournament; first time I had seen Legend Road passed. Didn't even matter to me that it took as many people as it did.
FYE needs to come back :(
2004, back when MAX300 was actually considered one of the hardest.
Back then fefemz was 6 and chris was 12.
Brings back a lot of great old memories. These were the hardest songs of its time and you were really something if you could beat them.
People kind of need some context for this- at the time, iirc, no one in the US had perfected several the hardest songs, stepmania didn't exist, and other than buying your own ddr cabinet, practicing at home had to be done with shitty third party peripherals. I think JSB was the first American to perfect every song on record. There was also a weird level of disrespect for players who leaned on the bar too much.
wolfumz Very rare to see people put this into context in the comments sections of my videos. Thanks for posting. It's nice to know that not everyone is ignorant when it comes to putting things into context.
Anthony Carella I used to chat online with JSB all the time. One of the naturally funniest people I've ever talked to. People have no idea how impossible it was to practice these things outside the arcade, or that players from socal had to travel to arizonia to play on the latest cabinet. To be the best, you had to either grind (for a dollar a song) or possess a weird, otherwise useless, natural talent (like JSB).
Kind of sad how DDR has evaporated from arcades, I never see it anymore.
Agreed. I was pretty cool with JSB and still periodically keep in contact with him. Him and myself are the only two people that I know of in the 2002-2005 era that AA'd PSMO S4R.
After that time period, it seemed that ppl started buying ITG machines and the rest is history. When me and JSB and other ppl from that time played, it was truly the golden age of dancing games.
Anthony Carella The last I talked to JSB, he had finally moved out of his grandma's house and was transferring to a UC (berkeley? LA? can't remember). That was a long while ago, I sometimes wonder about how he's doing. He had a unique mix of talent/charisma and outright laziness (do you remember his sports betting phase?)
You're name is only vaguely familiar to me, but then again, I was only peripherally involved in the scene (I was 15 and found myself in the arcades to play Street Fighter III and Marvel vs Capcom 2) but friends of mine really practiced and played a lot. It was a special time, when you had to find tournament videos from limewire or Kazaa and a streaming video was still ten years down the road. An inimitable slice of time for a tiny niche of people who came together for love of the game.
ITG was coming up, and (my understanding) it was seen as a low quality knock-off, preferred only by a minority of players. Maybe it was a competitor that diluted the market for DDR players, but, _even_ _ITG_ evaporated from the arcades. It's rare to see a DDR/ITG machine even in a movie theater's arcade these days. Where I live, in San Diego, Nickel City is only arcade still open, and they took out DDR and ITG before 2008.
My theory is, like fighting games, players simply started playing at home once they were able to. There's no reason to go to the arcade across town (and risk meeting people) if you can easily plug in your pad to your computer and play 300 pirated songs for free.
Anthony Carella Yo, I love we were nerding out about ddr this morning, and you end up on youtube about it later in the day. I watched these videos and they were nuts.
classic video when ddr extreme was hot. miss the old days
back then when this was rare
the AAAA people have skyrocketed
Ahh DDR, The first video game tournament where everyone who was really good was also in really good shape.
I love the high-speed squeaking of the sneakers.
Sounds like music itself!
Now, MAX 300 is easy compared to hell like Valkyrie Dimension, Paranoia Revolution and EGOISM 440.
Don't forget Endymion
@@GODFUN1OO Or Over the "Period"
Max 300 heard this comment and sent Max 360 after us. Thanks.
Are you forgetting about Lachryma (Re:Queen’M)?
Is this what life was like 20 days before I was born?
yes. it was good times
me too
If there's one thing I still have hope for, is that DDR gets it's community spirit back. I miss these days of playing DDR for sure.
Spoiler: now it's back (aside from the pandemic now)
every time I go to a arcade I would always look for this game
I mean, what else are you going to do in an american arcade lol. I literally only go to arcades if they have this game.
Same here
Back in the day shit!!! Remember I started perfection these songs then I went into 10th grade started partying hanging out with new friends stopped playing DDR....shit was sick!!!! These songs were legendary at the arcade if you saw someone pick one of these first your like "ohhhhhh shit" lol
its funny when i se people doing DDR and you just see tthe body stay still but the legs move
I dunno, doesn't look like a tournament to me. Looks like a gang of guys teaming up to take down a boss.
Holy crap!! The last guy was AMAZING!! Now I see what kind of dancing DDR is talkin' about! Tap is intense!
Almost 2024
Checking in lmao
same lol, I just tried it but failed in maxx unlimited
I still come back to here from time to time to remind myself what it was like to play DDR with my older brothers in 2004
The feeling of hearing the machine and then searching for it in an arcade cannot be replicated
sameee walking around in a dark arcade following the sound@@Pheminon1
can't find a ddr arcade machine anymore:(
i feel your pain
If there is a Dave and Buster's or a Round One near you, you may find their newest arcade machine, DDR A.
That's if you live near a big city.
otakuvivian 💔
Dude find a Round1 and while you're there play some Sound Voltex
And this was before Supernova, so Fascination Maxx and the rest of the harder boss songs wasn't around yet.
Crazy that the hardest supernova songs aren't even the top 10 hardest anymore. Still insane and barely anyone can FC them, let alone PFC/MFC.
DDR is for people who have damn good reflexes and move pretty fast with their feet.
I can tell the first two are freerunners.
Now days, you got niggas double digit PFC'n this oni course. So cray.
DOUBLE....DIGIT....PERFECT....FULL....COMBOING....THIS....ONI.....COURSE...
william carson this is the greatest reply of all time hahaha
not to insult you sir william carson , well im an asian and we study english subject at school to learn how to speak english. I really thought that if you live in america/us where english is the basic communication language. you can learn english instantly without the need of going to school just to learn the proper way to it. so do my thoughts are wrong?
Paulo De Castro Not necessarily. Being born in an area that speaks English, you learn pretty fast. But if you are from else where then it is good to take a few courses in English before going anywhere. Theres only so much you can learn in a class though. My suggestion would be to just learn the basics then after that start learning through experience.
***** shut up lebron
Iconic video, great to see it still up after all these years
what makes these songs difficult is that they fatigue you so badly and you have to push through it. when you're constantly switching out people you don't have that problem. this is a lot less difficult than you might think
Laughs in 2021 with a bunch of other shit that makes me not wanna skip leg day for a minute
LOL REMEMBER WHEN PARANOIA SURVIVOR MAX WAS THE HARDEST SONG IN THE GAME
The video was fast forwarded a little in the end.
- Respect
This is called 'the LEGEND ROAD', by the way.
If an ITG tourney invades a DDR Tourney, the DDR Tourney would be torn to pieces.
I was gonna make a speech about how there are dozens of harder songs, but then I saw the date.
These songs are now warmups compared to all the other boss songs nowadays. Good times though!
Ah, the good old days, where these actually were the hardest songs in the game.
I miss these in 2022
i always play the same songs everytime i play DDR. anyone else
Same here but because I had played them before
I remember this tournament... iirc this was at digital life before comic con became nyc's fall event at the expo. I lost in the first round lol
underground as hell back in the day haha
MrLedZeplin, you are crazy! Yea, the fatigue kills you but the timing on these songs are crazy hard too. I can play on expert but not THAT well. The last guy, with the tank and white arm band on, was awesome! Give props where its deserved. Also, I mostly play at home so have no backbar which def helps with these songs. i need to buy an arcade DDR. lol!!!!
LMAO this was like the first video I ever watched on RUclips, besides some Fred video.
It's pretty cool seeing that this video is still popular, haha.
2022? Anyone?
All I'm gonna say is DAAAAAAMN O_o This is awesomesauce!
It looks like the last guy intentionally misses the final freeze arrow. But whyyyy?
this is one of the most insane sets of sang I have ever heard of
What about darude sandstorm
Emiliano_Gaming That only be on MAX 1 PS2
Not in it. As they did the oni course called legend road, which featured all the hardest songs up to par with ddr extreme.
I remember seeing this video when I was 12 or 13 years old and making it my inspiration to get to that caliber. Now 7 years later, I'm barely scratching the surface they can easily tear through.
The guy towards the end, who refused to hold onto the bar, is the true winner of the tournament
damm "no bar is cheating" is still a thing
Same here at all the malls I go to, & I swear all the malls I go to have gotten so lame without arcades anymore; it's so bull since now everyone just plays crappy games online. You don't get that feeling of awe playing games online with a pro as you do when you see a pro like this playing DDR in person, it's beautiful.
I hate pulling the "kids these days" card...
But arcades now are literally just giant mobile game arenas in the US. You'll be lucky if you find anything good or even a DDR machine. I loved going to arcades or the local movie theater with my older brother and just huddling around the DDR machine and switching off with other people that were in line and then popping in those quarters. Some of the best memories I have were spent with my brothers going to arcades and hanging out. Swiping cards don't really have that satisfying feeling that popping in tokens or quarters had
and hearing the clink in the machine
It's called Round 1 and its a classic arcade experience with modern machines. Obviously no coins though sadly, but their DDR machines are both DDR A, which came out in 2016, and DDR 20th anniversary edition which was made in.. 2018?
If anything, the music game scene for arcades is way bigger now than it ever was, and I played back in the early 2000s when all we had were extreme or max cabs.
@@fav843 I wish I had those where I live but the closest one to me is over 500 miles away :(
@@Pheminon1 ):
Do you at least have a Dave and Busters?
Maybe get a home setup with stepmania X pads. They're really good.
Could also try looking into a DDR community on reddit or some other place to ask around.
Fascination max is the hardest song of DDR sn, but i didn't see in the video...
but that really awesome!! =)
Hilarious. I can finally pass MAX 300 and Sakura with an A on Heavy.
Kind of sad cause this nothing compared to ENDYMION and Paranoia Revolution. :(
One day I'll be a good player. xD
This was held at the Jacob Javitz Center back in (I think) October 2006. They stopped doing these events at the JJC because the expo that it was done at is no longer held there.
Watching this video triggered my asthma
its been 4 years and i still cant find anyone who asked
@@axn- 💀
Oh how I use to love DDR...until I discovered the gym...and a social life outside of the arcade. XD
No Bars = True Champs
You are now a moderator of Music Game Hell
Jeez, I remember this. The Albany NY scene was SO lit when I was learning the game!
Max 3000
Oh, well thanks for telling me! I'll rethink getting the metal pad.
Staiain can't do this shit
raceofheroes 16 haha yeah
i remember this song, i would always be like NOPE if it came on...just watching them gives me an adrenaline rush, and their transitions to another player is so smooth!
Sakura isn ´t hard XD
+Capamike isn't hard when you keep playing on beginner mode.
It was knocked down to a 13 on the x scale
The Road of Legend is a course of songs in the game, not the game itself. The game is called Dance Dance Revolution Extreme for the PS2. You can probably get it for real cheap these days.
Im not impressed...I've seen people do songs with both sides on the hardest difficulty
it's 2006 and ddr, you should see the guys playing itg on expert 21 without bar
Yea dude this was when the game was pretty much new, at the time all these guys were amazing. Now its ITG where the stepcharts are insane, people do "keyboard" charts on their feet.
uneliasmarsu it's actually like 2002
I bet u cant even do any good of those songs
@@greentea_vsrg this was taken in 2004
that part that most people don't know about this video is you are only allowed to miss 3 arrows before you are completely failed out. that's the most amazing part of this course.
Omg, I'm so jaw dropped right now. I thought I was pretty good at DDR but just seeing this makes me feel like I'm on basic again lol ;p
All the new songs are insane than these songs now. Next song sets they put together are Possession, Go for the Top, Triple Journey, Valkyrie Dimension, Tohoku Evolved. I would like to see that happen.
I fell off of the mat on Valkyrie Dimension... Song so fast.
Alex Nakamuri Don't forget Neutrino(for maybe first song? or New Century?) and Over the "Period"!
Thanks. This was what I mostly did in my late teens and early 20s. The NYC DDR scene back then was so fun.
I haven't seen this video in probably 15 years and forgot about the ending being so cold when he walked off, lmao!
I miss these days 😭
*jaw drop* OH! That is SOOOO COOOOL! Man I didn't even know this level was in existance! Looks SOOO hard to do! Those guys are good!!
So i haven't played DDR in 3 years and i went to the mall and played this song (MAX 300) and got a AA
@MrBigWart Sakura was planned to be the One More Extra Stage of DDR Extreme. Much like Kakumei in Max 2, the "Challenge"/"Oni" chart was made to be a bit easier because the OMES used that difficulty, and the developers believed that they needed to compensate for its "full combo or die" mode.
oh, paranioa, the painful, memories... (on standard, yea i need to get good at this again)
if it weren't for that meddling CRT refresh rate we would see the notes!
I have never been so jealous of DDR players in my life until now...
wow this is like 11 years ago...time flies by
@Trojianmaru Yep. 6th mix was named "DDR Max", and had a song named Max 300. They've abused that moniker ever since.
@YourNotDusk There was one:
Carolina Games Summit - Goldsboro, NC - 02/05/2011
I think the next one is on Saturday Feb 4th 2012.
Good luck.
Good old Max 300
wow, the game has come so far since these songs came out. I wonder how old this video is.
wow 20 years ago
This is really great
you made my day. :)
It's so weird watching videos this old because most of these don't even come close to the difficulty of newer songs. Back then, it was actually possible to pass songs without using the bar. (I don't think I've ever seen anyone pass Valkyrie Dimension without it, for example)
Idk how to spell his name but zerotrux beat all the 19s on doubles with no bar
And now all these songs are mfc'd and new players can full combo these in less than a year.
He is getting a great workout! That is so difficult!! Awesome job!!
@MrSmoothgroove85 actually, it's a pretty smart move. he's keeping his center of gravity completely centered, which is why he's so balanced. it's everyone else that looks funny needing to hold the railing...
You guys have to also realize that most of their playing was without a bar... THAT'S IMPRESSIVE!
back when people weren't lazy/disabled
@FinancialProdigy202 What are you talking about? This is DDR Extreme, and Pluto Relinquish was available in DDR SN2.
But still...
Brings back Memories.
You could see the screen that it was over so there is no last 2 freeze arrow
Agreed. No song in DDR up to 8th mix requires using bar to be passed. Most songs in ITG, however, are almost impossible for most people to pass without use of the bar on Expert mode.
You're the last guy who was playing? you are GODLY!
That's crazy but awesome at the same time
HOLY EFFING SHIZZ! I didn't know a person could move their feet so fast! I woulda fell flat on my face, tryna do that.
I can do all of them in a row, but, if I'm right are they on Battery challenge... think so, in which case PSMO is a no go :[ Good work tho, I love these vids :]
Damn, these guys take DDR seriously O-O
The songs you mention are in the ~200 bpm region, which is certainly fast by conventional standards, but players like Mad Matt and Zetorux have long since left that behind. They're doing songs pushing 270bpm now; if they did something like Fascination Maxx today they would quad it without breaking a sweat. They're insane.
For further enlightenment: watch?v=8UCz2Qa5T2c
and watch?v=v9_WGoy_57U