Classic WoW: Weird Items That Are Best in Slot
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- What's best for your character in Classic may not be too obvious, sometimes things don;'t make sense at face value - let's have a look at a few of them.
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Phase 2, Grind, Gold, Epic Mount, Professions
While leveling as a hunter there is a curious item you can get from AH that will last from 10 to mid 30's.
BoE from elites outside dead mines called Staff of Conjuring.
It has a 5min CD use effect that makes Conjured Muffins.
Pretty meh until you pair it with a pet that eats bread.
1 Button macro to use the staff and feed the pet and you will be blessed with a permanently happy pet up to lvl 35.
Muffin staff? Sign me up
No shootout to the weirdest BIS item the Manual Crowd Pummeler? Us ferals have it wierd in classic. Fun video Wille!
Howd I forget that :(
@gardakan936 the reason it's weird is that a lv 34 weapon is BIS for raiding,just imagine that
@@matheass93 Not to mention it's limited use so you needed to farm multiples of it. That's weird.
It's also bis for both forms, tanking= insane threat, cat= more omen procs than I can handle.
gardakan936 it’s a dungeon your start doing at level 28 so yeah it’s pretty weird
pretty sure ghoul skin tunic would give 2079 armour, so long as you have the thick hide talent you times white armour by 5.06 to get the end result (411*5.06 = 2079.66)
its multiplicative so you take the base armour apply talents (times by 1.1) and then add bear form (times by 4.6) - or the other way around it does not matter you get the same result
Sidenote: The Lionheart Recipe also drops from different Mobs (atleast in later Phases). It just dropped 2-3 Weeks ago when we were running Strat UD with a full guild group (Phase 4, dropped from one of the Abominations before Ramstein).
I think these "weird items" are cool. The way items work in classic in general is such a huge element for me to keep the game interesting. There are no "good or bad items" in retail. There haven't been any since the items started having flat stamina and primary stat, plus a set total of secondary stats tied to iLvl. This doesn't make me hyped for the next tier of items. It's the same garbage but with higher numbers.
There will be no "sick shoulders with spell dmg, stamina AND spell crit on them". Playing classic made me remember what was so exciting about a new tier coming out. Seeing all the new items filled me and the bois with so much hype. Phrases like: "WHAT?? That axe has so much top dmg! And it has good stats too!", and "No way! There is finally a piece that gives lots of damage and spell hit!" used to be a thing in our comms.
Also it is so cool for some items obtained from the early game, to be viable or even bis for a long time. It was really satisfying to craft the robes of the void. I know it has more shadow dmg than anything in the next few tiers, coupled with some stamina. It gives more power to the "casuals" too. Even if you don't raid, your pre-raid BiS can be quite good for PvP or farming.
There is no need to have worldquests, titanforging, warfronts, and lfr provide and nullify the last tier of raid gear every season. They could just put some really op ring in one dungeon with a 5% drop chance or something. I'd be sure to farm it every fkn day with my pals, and remember the name of that ring 2 years later.
They can't even make the argument that "we want the best gear to come from the hardest content". Oh yeah? Explain why warfront and lfr gear can titanforge past mythic raid gear then. To provide moments of excitement to those casuals that can't raid mythic? Well just have some deterministic pieces in dungeons or even from crafting. Something unique and designed to be BiS for a few patches.
Word.
For sure thats what made me want to make this!
I would put Mark of the Chosen aswell on the list, it's an amazing item to use as a feral when it comes to tanking, it adds so much on threat to a point where it's impossible to loose threat. Really cool list!
@Brian Mark of chosen is way better than both of them.
Tanks don't go full mitigation since they need to get threat too.
I agree. I use mark of the chosen to tank MC and rune of the guard captain because hit is way too valuable as a stat.
"weird items that are BiS" LIONHEART HELM... ??? yea ok
whoa so weird, very whack
Force of Will doesn't drop from General Angerforge. Killed him 100 times while farming HoJ and if this had 20% drop chance it would've dropped many times.
Drops from Emperor I believe
It does drop from Angerforge, but the rate is really low. I've seen it drop twice so far.
It's not 20% it's 2% bro
@@ZulkSOD WillE says 20% @ 9:57 so he's clearly mistaken. I've seen HoJ drop 3 times but this one never.
@@padman6074 in phase 4 anger will drop it, now its Emperor
I always like your videos but they are usually really quiet. I watch a lot of vids on my phone while doing chores and even at max volume sometimes it can be hard to hear.
Joe Surmick same here. I hope he considers this for future
Highly recommend Bluetooth headphones. I got a cheap 30 dollar Sony pair they have 11 hours of battery and I stream wow content everyday while doing dishes and what not
Next recording I have done differently - hopefully it comes out better. I guess I can just bash up the gain whilst editing too, cheers!
I managed to snag the BIS mage offhand in AQ off of a real tryhard before quitting and never playing classic again
Blackhand's Breadth and Eye of the Beast are BIS for basically everyone for a while. Mark of Tyranny is only worth it if you are FOR SURE maining bear tank
That's a weird title
Sean I was thinking it's wired to the weirdness of items. 😅
I was gonna say wierd way to spell weird....
What do you mean its fine :) (just dont look at the thumbnail)
You should have mentioned MCP and Unyielding Maul. Saying warden staff alone is BIS for feral druid is a bad advice.
I use unyielding maul, but tbh the warden staff is slightly better. Not worth paying 700g for, though.
@@StCreed there's some debate to this since you can't put an iron counterweight on warden staff.. check out the druid discord they have a whole iron counterweight vs 25 agi enchant..
you should include more things, like Crown of Destruction from rag being BiS for enhance shamans forever, after naxx
@gardakan936 he included Lionheart helm because it is bis forever.
6:00 Imagine Blue Sapphire more expensive then an Arcanite Bar.
At the Moment of Phase 5 Arcane Bare cost nearly doubled up price.
Had a guildie loot the Lionheart Helm pattern from a lockbox while we were farming carapace fragments in Silithus, so it can be a world drop apparently.
Lionheart recipe is not limited solely to those bosses, my guild got ours from a lockbox that dropped in MC.
It drops from anything in MC, we got ours from trash.
Interesting!
Froces of Will dropps form the Emp (endboss BRD) not from Angerforge.
There is a use trinket the reduces the mana costs for druid shifting, which is a nice complement to the power shifting helm
Hey, which bis list would you guys recommend? Because I have seen A lot of lists with different items on them
How did you forget the crowd pummeler!
I don't know, I used Mark of the chosen on my feral druid in naxx
The 25+ every stat along with HoTW is just too good and it rarely falls off if you're tanking depending on how fast your pulls are
8:00 I'm confused, how is it orcs and humans don't make benefit from edgemasters? Is there some sort of diminishing returns for going over 300? Their +5 coupled with edgemasters +7 should be a total of 312 in the respective weapon skill. Or is 305 the general max required to significantly reduce the glancing blows dealt?
No crowd pummeler?
Man I had that from like 29-36ish... such a good 2hand.. just a shame it has limited charges and not "use" or "chance on hit"
@Brian well no shit, but going to Gnomeregan every time you want another 3 charges isnt worth the time investment imo..
@@rickybindahoose6193 Yes it is, most dps for feral druid even in nax.
@@rickybindahoose6193 crowd pummeler is BIS for feral druids since they dont scale off wep damage at all. The use effect outscales pretty much any on use item effect in the whole game which is crazy considering it drops from a very low level dungeon.
@@staropramen478 yeah fair.. I'm personally not a feral druid, so I was speaking from a levelling perspective generally. I would find farming gnomeregan for a viable weapon tedious as hell personally, so glad I didnt go feral druid 😂
uther's strenght or mark of the chosen over demons blood, pretty much all items that have 1-3% to proc something when hit are bis on tankadins.
I like Uther's Strength, but not a fan of the cooldown it has. You get 1 proc every 30 seconds, assuming you are being hit enough to proc it each 30 secs. That is usually 1-2 procs per trash fight, with a 200-health shield, thus at most you get about 400 damage the healer doesnt need to heal, which translates to a single heal. It IS nice but from experience, it is too expensive for what it is.
-A tank that used Uther's Strength first 3 weeks of classic.
There's a cloak with 190 armor it's pre bis for feral druid tanks useless for most others.
Blue sapphire 80g? I'd say you are lucky man, in my server the price of it is less than 10g.
Actually hunters in vanilla could get into raiding with whatever gear as long as they had capped hit chance and a hefty 348 agility so with the survival talent lightning reflexes they could stuck to 400 agility which at that point they could easily top the dps meter in molten core and Onyxia.The thing was that it was incredible expensive to do so.
Then the other thing was a typical marksman being there as aimed shot bot and tranq shot bot till he gets the double swing trinket and nightfall so he can be a nightfall buff bot YAY.
Honestly being a hunter in vanilla sucks you either spam wind cliff or aimed shot.Exept if you are survival,if you are survival you must oick up pencil and see if auto shoot crits overdamage or not the aimed shot+the aimed shot crits over time.
Farmed UBRS about 30 times now and still no briarwood reed. Sick of it.
You need to so jed runs not just ubrs and pray hes there
@@standarddot1414 it was Jed runs. He keeps dropping the wand or helm. Saw it drop once yesterday and obviously lost the roll to a resto druid 😒👏
force of will is actual from emperor
Ye and the gloves of annihilation isnt from KT but Cthun..
@@Zirion123 He said the "upgrade from AQ40, but the real reason is a sword from Naxx", you def misheard that.
What server do you use to make these videos?
You're wrong about the mindtap talisman. It isn't bis for priests early on. Reed + class specific trinket are better because every fight currently only lasts around 2 minutes.
Best in slot items or best available buff sources being extremely rare world drops is something they gladly got rid of as soon as TBC. Looking not only on the Edgemasters, but recipes like Greater Arcane Elixir, Major protection potions, the Crusader, Spell/Healing Power enchants, armor patterns and so on. My main profession is Alchemy and I absolutely detest that it's pure luck (or bad luck) that I own none of these rare recipes yet and they go for hundreds or thousands of gold on the AH, making my profession next to useless.
At 9:25 you can see more character stats than normal. Is that a setting I'm forgetting or is that a mod? If a mod, what one is it?
it's an addon, called Character stats classic.
'Force of Will' drops from Emperor. And 'Demon's Blood' is trash compared to 'Mark of the Chosen' (you get the quest from a centuar in Desolace)
Force of will drops from Emperor, not anger btw
Oh is it, hmm classic DB got wrong info :(
@@WillEmmo They change the loot tables later on down the line.
Your armor calculations for druid are wrong. It's increased by 360%, which means armor * 4.6 * 1.1(with talents).
With thick hide it's roughly armor x5 (496%)
Edgemasters cost actually now 5k-8k Gold.
Of shadow wrath shoulders are bis phase one pvp shoulders are bis phase two because of the two piece set bonus
The Warden Staff as BiS is debatable. It is as you said the best in terms of physical mitigation but the Manual Crowd Pummeler’s ability outshines the staff by the MASSIVE aggro you can generate with it, plus the stats aren’t bad
And from what I’ve hard the good old trinket you get from the Maraudon quest which has 2% chance to raise your shit is also debatably better than Smoking Heart, but that’s even more up in the air imo
@gardakan936 Makes sense
I wouldnt suggest taking the trinket from Onyxia head chain as a tank, pretty sure the neck is still better long term
Might have been some guilds that did. But in vanilla our guild would not let bears tank. But in classic one of our main tanks is a bear and he's a beast. In vanilla our guild leader wouldn't let them tank cause the tier set from mc was healing stats so he wouldn't let them cause the wars were all epic and bears were half and half epic and blues. Too bad back then people's mind set was epic is better regardless. But now we know better and some blues can be better than epics
I know I'm late on this video but that talent for feral druids doesn't apply to dire bear form. It's plus 10% of your base armor so at most it's maybe 140-200 extra armor and it makes it not really worth going into that talent
It adds 360 armor for me. That's not bad for a talent point or two.
@@StCreed not worth 5 talent points tho, the alternatives would be improved bash or improved threat gen and stealth. Point is this talent doesnt scale
Ive seen the most world drops from UBRS, The thing about UBRS is its a chill place often take minimal effort (inless your pug is just really bad) and it usually ez to find a group for it, often if i need a break from grinding dungeons ill do UBRS
**has PTSD flashback of corpse dragging for 30-45 minutes every time I go to that Elune-forsaken mountain.**
@@Banana_Zach lol those pugs can be really bad lol people always pull everything
1. force of will drops off emperor not angerforge now 2. +def trinkets are not preBIS or BIS
@gardakan936 Well said. I've seen blatant upgrades drop for my friends and they pass on them because they "aren't the BiS."
Namely among them I have a Healadin friend who refuses to wear anything but cloth because they want 5 more healing power. I tank for them and have watched entire sets of Deathbone or even Lightbringer gear drop to be ignored and vendored.
Smokling Heart of the Mountain cannot be trade! It's BOP! As a ddruid you have to get to that enchanting lvl and afterwards drop it for something else if you want to.
thanks, was looking for that truth
Just made mine the other day, back to alchemy!
Armor calculation doesn't work that way.
Base armor is 100%.
Dire Bear form is +360%, meaning you actually multiply the item's armor by 4,6 to make it 460%
The 10% talent is multiplicative, meaning that you gain 10% from that 460% dire bear form armor, so that gives
4,6 * 1.1 = 5,06 (506%)
So to get the real armor value of an item for a feral druid, you multiply by 5,06 (with talents)
This makes Ghoul Skin Tunic actually give ~2080 armor and not 1521.
If you are a tank and have gotten the head of ony, do NOT get the trinket. Get the necklace. It is bis for far longer.
Yep. The Hakkar trinket is sooo good for tanks, and combined with the 180 armour trinket I don't even need another trinket. The necklace is good if you need hit, or FR, but the medaillon from MC is slightly better for mitigating damage I'd say.
You talk about Mark of Tyranny and the quest line, but fail to mention what the other two rewards are. They are all good and potentially useful to druids depending on spec. Healers and Moonkin want Eye of the Beast and Feral DPS want Blackhand's Breadth. I didn't necessarily know what I was going to be doing the most of once things settled down and took the Mark simply because it is so much better than the alternatives for tanking. I ended up tanking a lot in 5-mans, but not in raids (less tanks and more healers per person in raids than 5-mans), and was gimped on healing trinkets, since if I was tanking I wasn't going to take a healing trinket (Second Wind, Mindtap Talisman) from a healer who needed it. I basically only had one healing trinket (DM class trinket) until Darkmoon Faire and spent every last gold I had on the Blue Dragon card. And then I stopped playing regularly because of health issues. :/
Just to note: I was the Feral/Resto Heart of the Wild spec, which is good enough at both healing and tanking even if not optimal at either. I also was not about to farm Crowd Pummelers for raids, so I was fairly happy just healing there, but the Mark was very helpful for survival in 5-mans.
Whats the best source for bis infos?
Classic.wowhead.com have nice topics about bis for each class
In which phase Ghoul skin tunic will be available?
Naxxramas
Nothing on Aged Core Leather Gloves? Anyone that uses daggers (Dagger Rogue, Fury Warr) use them like edgemasters until a Death's Sting drops off C'Thun.
Arguments can be made for Distracting dagger and Mugger's Belt, but ACLG has the stats to match so it usually is used over them. So get it in MC, use it till you clear AQ40
Funny our lion heart pattern dropped from neff
You know what else is weird? Writing weird wrong in the thumbnail but correct in the title
I don't wanna be that guy but, thick hide scales in bear form. 1 armor = 5 armor in dire bear with 5/5 thick hide.
This is about min maxing, not the best for classes, a dungeon drop is not better than a Tier 2, this is about your parses in a log
lionheart schematic can drop from any mob inside the molten core. dropped from a core hound for our guild.
Wow who knew Lionheart Helm was bis :O
Can you Turn the volume of the mic up on your videos can't ear nothing in the street when whaching on the phone but rly thx for uploading this kind of videos they are entertaining
could the audio be any lower?
Warden Staff is the best mitigation weapon but once AQ comes out chances are that you'll replace it by the Blessed Qiraji Warhammer for threat generation, if you're MTing anyway.
Heh, obviously :) I only use unyielding maul when the boss hits really, really hard. Like broodlord lashlayer and his mortal strikes hard.
You actually can get lion heart pattern off of trash in MC not just bosses. Seen it myself.
Lionheart helmet blueprint is a world drop, my guild got it from a lockbox.
Why isn't rune of the guard captain not on this list. outside of the one for BRD there isn't very many hit trinkets in the game.
Because you wanna replace it asap. Theres plenty of hit gear elsewhere, so rune is pretty bad compared to the trinkets which compete it. (Blackhands breath/hoj)
Shadows shouldnt go only for +dmg. Int and mp5 also very important, u ran oom very soon. Equip as much +dmg u can without going oom during the fight.
I aim for 5.5-6k mana pool on my shadow priest with 500+ sp without Supreme flask. Use major mana pots and runes for longer fights. Stat prio: SP > Int > MP5 > Spirit
@@Mikey-is2nc OFC u use Pots+Runes. Nevertheless u will run oom in long fights. If u get Innervate perhaps not.
If u run oom with ur raidgrp, get int/mp5 as long as u dont run oom. only than sp > int >mp5. and in long fights mp5>int. Adjust gear according to fights, not to stupid people in the internet.
@@medivify If a fight lasts longer than a pot and rune consumable, I'd suggest finding a different raid team
force of will and demon's blood are neither bis for any tank fyi. Mark of the chosen is significantly better and then blackhands breadth beats out what can come from it. They're also worse than uther's.
jesus christ 950 for edgmasters is a steal. Currently 6k on my server.
Mindtap Talisman is a 5-6% drop not 20% and Force of WIll is dropped from the Emperor not Angerforge
Pretty sure berserker rage helm. Red one from bwl is better than lionheart for arms warriors. Not fury tho
Your calculations will all be incorrect the 10% from talents only affects base armor for druid not armor values from items.
lionheart recipe can drop from lockboxes, gracious made a video on it near launch
Lionheart helm overrated + edgemaster combo, I ran into dwarf warrior that was using mining helmet +7 axes plus hit gloves from zulgurub and 1h axe that gave 1% crit. If he had gotten the expensive items it would have been only minimal bonus anymore.
Some people go that extra mile for the little higher stats. This list is called best in slot for a reason because, if you are max level, it is optimal to have them at some point.
Omg that lasher pull, as a disc priest, gave me a heart attack
Get unyeilding maul instead of warden staff, much eaiser/cheaper and basically the same stat wise.
it's also actually better atm as you can put Iron Counterweight on it for 3% haste.
Can't you put that on warden staff? I didn't know that. Yeah that makes a difference.
Force of Will and Demon's blood are both trash, as is the Onyxia trinket. You can get more avoidance from Vigilance Charm (DM:W) or Mark of the Chosen (quest). But you're better off equipping a threat trinket anyway.
Gauntlets of Annihilation drop vom C'Thun, not in Naxx.
He said that the reason they aren't BiS until Naxx is that the wep skill from the Hungering Cold makes you able to switch to Gloves of Annihilation
Mindtap Talisman is not pre-bis for healing priests.
Calling those items bis all game for feral is a little bit wrong as many encounters varies and different items are better in different situations.
Force of Will drops from Emporer not Angerforge
just get an unyielding maul and leave the warden staff on the AH.
Yup, unless you are a lucky druid tank like me and had Warden Staff drop when killing random dark iron dwarves. Unyielding Maul is basically the same, minus a very tiny stat difference. Nothing wrong with calling Unyielding Maul the Walmart-brand Warden Staff.
Have to correct the edgemaster part - even for orcs and humans, many of us require these gloves due to the difficulty of getting actual BiS during p1p2 - for example, weve not had a Viskag drop on for any of our raid teams yet, but we have had deathbringer, so i had to buy some edgelords gloves despite being human - youd be surprised how many orcs are using swords, and having to use these too. You also missed that 305+ gives you an effective 3% more hit, which is huge at this point in gearing :) Also, force of will drops from Emp, not Anger.
you spelled weird wrong in the title you wrote wierd
Trinket mp5 for priest isnt bis i think, spirit is way way more profitable, due to spirit talents and in-combat mana regeneration
That's why a healing power is better(second wind, dire maul trinket, and other)
it depends on fast your guild clears- some guilds do split 20man onyzxia and with only 4-5 healers mp5 would be bis
Mark of the Chosen is BiS for all of vanilla for tanks.
Weird watching one of your older videos and seeing how much slower your paladin is farming DM!
I never wore anything other than plate on my warrior (with the exception of SGC). My damage has been generally too high for most tanks to keep threat and I end up taking alot of hits anyways, so the extra armor is valuable to me.
Get new tanks
Tell you tanks to stop being shit
MCP?
I miss defense as a stat.
The 3 pieces for the druide never being replaced isn't great... It's boring as fuck!
What a creative idea for a video! xD
Most warrior tanks avoid stacking defense because they need to generate plenty of threat through crit, hit and damage. Mitigation is good but threat is great.
Yeah rogues/druids should suffer warriors/hunters rolling on their shit because of armor class /rolleyes
Weird correction comments inc
Momo Amir LOL
14 for that thing what realm are you in omg in mine that same thing gos for 82 gold i want to go in yours
He's on a p server, see how those elites were going down.......
As a shaman currently farming for double "Mindtap talisman" i was very upset your source said 20% drop. :((( been there so many times only have 1, and atlas loot latest update says around a 8% dropchance.
But im glad its on your list tho, i called that one and the feral druid headpiece that gives energy, which is best in slot for Cat druids untill kil'jaeden in TBC
Would love to know if you got your double mindtap. I am a boomkin that recently farmed up double mindtap as well. (blew all my quest rewards on feral tank gear)
@@Banana_Zach i havnt got it yet. I kinda gave up on it since we are blasting content currently so spell power from briarwood is fine because fights dont take that long. And i think im one of the first im my guild to get ony trinket if it drops anyway
that pally needs to learn to use concentration aura
maybe he thought it's better to damage them
Imagine doing lasher without shield? Without reflective blocking ttk so slow and 1 group at a time? Brutal do three at a time on my paladin on the pulls I'm able to nade to.
@@cynergi7498 I prefer when people play in the way they feel more comfortable for them
@@Immagonko lol what?!? That is no good for anyone and noobs watch that might think it's right... take more damage and do ALOT less makes 0 sense, literally what not to do vid
@@cynergi7498 so what? He's solo farming, who cares, doesn't concern other players
Death Grips gloves bis for pvp until you buy the ones from blacksmithing
Agreed, I have a pair and they are great for tanking strat live and brd
Great video
Weird*
Uhhh no, mark of the chosen is BiS for tanks bar none.