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It is first time I hear about that. While both were proposed to Poland. Most experts say to increase number of F-35. Poland has no money or reason to buy any of those two.
Everything is OK but my god that "inventive" name. F-15 Eagle II.. WTF?? Was that the best USAF can do? What about Golden Eagle, Bold Eagle, Super Eagle, etc, etc..... I don't know what's up with Pentagon's naming schemes in the last 20 or so years.. The perfect example is the venerable Hellfire missile with the coolest name ever. And the replacement is named JAGM, freaking acronym (Joint air to ground missile).. Come on... We can't forget the F-35 Lightning II of course.. Have you ever heard anybody referring to the F-35 as the Lightning? Nope.. The pilot community has adopted a much cooler name for the F-35, calling it The Panther. I'm afraid to think about the name for the NGAD fighter that will replace the incredibly named Raptor... What can we expect? F-23 Chicken? Dung beetle? Coo-coo? WTF??
I love the F-15 as they were the first aircraft i worked around at my first base. The EX is such a major leap in abilities. If a local manufacturing center can be established it would be the ultimate option. The Typhoon is also a powerful fighter. And with a local supplier and manufacturing partners it would be a better option.
Agree. F15 shouldn't even be an option. Rather a chose between Eurofighter and Gripen, as they both are produced close by and have as good and even better features than F15EX..
@@mikkorenvall428 Like why? Poland use F-35, F-16 and FA-50. Which each cover different category. Poland literally do not need F-15, Typhon or especially Gripen.
Typhoon in theory should be a better option yet recent geopolitical turmoils showed that neither Italy nor Germany(Spain is questionable too) are reliable military partners for Poland. In such case F-15 is better option - mostly because paradoxically Poland has more common interests in Europe with the US than with France or Germany.
@@TheRezro Becuase all of those aircraft that you listed are not masters of their trades. F35 is a deep strike aircraft and would be key for potential invasions, F16 is a great small air fighters however its single engine is its downfall. FA-50 is a multiroll aircraft just like the F35 and there isnt anything the F35 cant do and do it better due to it being stealth. An F15 and Eurofighter are planes made for air domination meaning poland has an aircraft built from the ground up specifically for air combat. Not only that though it also means the integreation of new armaments, for example if poland takes the Typhoon they have access to Stormshadow a great stealth cruise missile, Meteor which is currently natos best Air to air missile which uses a scram jet engine to hit higher speeds and travel much further then almost all American missiles currently and they also have access to brimstone which is practically a javelin missile but can equip 3 for pretty much every hard point giving the aircraft about 12+ anti tank missiles maybe more. Not to mention they would have 2 very close allies being Germany and Italy who manufacter parts for typhoon making logistics insanely easy.
@@ashleygoggs5679 Most air combat in Poland would take place on relatively short ranges. F-15 and Typhon are excellent. But they are needed for larger style of combat expected from US. Poland can't really afford too many types and F-16 gradually go out of production, with F-35 being its direct replacement. FA-50 is armed trainer, intended to light F-16 and F-35 from less important tasks.
@@joshafc41 agreed. Pretty much all of them. I was mainly commenting on the Meteor because it is the one weapon system that is better than anything the US currently fields.
In the end it'll all come down to what Poland deems is more important to it's strategy. I think the Eagle II has more going for it tactically, but the Typhoon makes more sense logistically. I'm leaning a bit more towards the Typhoon, but either way Poland is going to get a really amazing fighter regardless of which they choose.
Without ALE-55/ALE-70, the ALQ-249 (EPAWSS) is not likely 'digital stealth' good enough to get an F-15E to a distance where it can make use of it's payload superiority to do the deed with the likes of GBU-53. Once you get beyond the 10/2 cutoff the APG-82 doesn't help you and the F-15EX is still a 7-10m2 RCS airframe. AGM-158B/D are nice but they are also more than a 2 million, each. Similarly, while the DASS has TRD, without the full-up Praetorian mod, the Typhoon survivability package is not sufficient. And some parts of that system are UK only, under direct control of BAe without export through Eurofighter Gmbh. This is further aggravated by the lack of a standoff ARM. However; Typhoon has the SPEAR-3 which is, essentially, GBU-53 with a turbine and a genuine 100km capability, high or low. Thus it has the ALCM->GBU standoff option beat. The U.S. AARGM/SIAW kit is looking really good and would be a good fit (heavy missile, quite large but unlike AGM-88E/F, ejector launch capable) for the F-15EX but could also be brought in on the F-35 which also provides at least some DEAD options. Air to Air, without AIM-260, the Eagle is simply not competitive against the R-37M/R-77M. With it, the Meteor is still better but only once you accept the massive range:impulse variance in F-Pole. The ramAAM can get to distances comparable to the R-37M (for an EW protected fighter target) but most of that distance is going to be at an average Mach of 2.5 with only terminals at Mach 3+. The Mach 6.7 Axehead has an average Mach of 3.8 so, short of a massive improvement in EW (MALD-J or Swedish LALD) the Meteor is always going to be last to the A-pole. AIM-260 is worse, in that it is a Mach 5 class missile but only to max burn of 20-25nm, after which it has a Mach 3 midcourse to a (realistic) 40-50nm outer pole. Only if the AIM-260 or Meteor is qualified to the F-35, with Sidekick, will Poland be genuinely competitive, air to air, with the Russian MiG-31 and Su-35. It will likely be inferior, kinematically, to the Su-57 and S-400 with the 40N6, even then. The fact that the Typhoon has a genuine IRST should also not be ignored. On a purely geo-political level, Poland should remember 1939 and the desperate orders for Hurricanes and MS-406/D.520 which went unanswered. Having a little variety in your arms suppliers is never a completely bad idea. Logistically, doesn't matter, the U.S. has one of the best maintenance programs of any arms supplier and does so as a function of initial bed down contract. You will pay for the M&R guarantee because you won't get the jet without adequate 'NATO Plan' funded capabilities assurance. This includes quarterly threat updates and 24hr maintenance call centers with an engine and airframe representative usually in-country. Europe has nothing nearly so advanced and so their lower cost maintenance packages are not the deal they look to be. The big deal is going to be getting in on the ground floor of what I believe is going to be a major reshuffling/power struggle change in the dynamic of NATO, once Ukraine is not on the table and Biden is gone. Blowing up an allies' energy delivery system is just not done and if America is politely asked to exit SHAPE there will be big changes as the EU sets up it's own army and tries to bring some unity to the defense overhead. Streamlining the multiplicity of service commands into a common air force/navy/army/expeditionary system with shared logistics suppliers and competitive bid structures/buyouts will be a monumental change for Europe, well beyond what EADS tried to do. And about damn time. As a result of this, American companies will be increasingly locked out, even from being able to sub-contract European maintenance service/parts suppliers and that could make keeping American weapons systems functional a lot more difficult for countries with a large inventory of non-European weapons systems. Ukraine has basically become a giant Reset Button on East:West relations but it is also going to be a major driver on within-West assumptions of shared defense. If this comes with a breaking of the Dollar GRC status, being America's defense customer may flatly no longer be matter of practical concern as the bottoming out of the dollar purchasing power against things like exotic materials or subsystems/component sourcing may well destroy the America Inc. defense sales business model, altogether.
@@xyz-hj6ulyou’re saying all this like the F-35 fleet isn’t going to start turning Russian airbases and air defenses into scrap from the outset of any conflict. Russian aircraft will quickly lose their air defense bubble and will quickly find themselves operating without any real support. The F-15 is more than capable of defending Polish airspace while the F-35 does its thing. The Su-57 doesn’t even have enough units to form a full squadron and the S-400 has seemingly been defeated by every western missile platform in Ukraine.
I will point out that the engines are the same in the f-15ex as it is in the F-16. So as far as Logistics go you're reducing the number of engines that you have to deal with which when you factor in everything is a huge deal. So I don't think that the Euro fighter has the logistics edge that it may look like on the surface. *Edit for spelling and grammar
@@alexalbrecht5768 First off, I don't believe Russia intends to invade NATO Europe. For much the same reason that it wouldn't invade after 1956 when Blue Danube signaled the arrival of an independent deterrent for the Brits. The Vanguard and the Triomphant both make any real threat of loss or breakout by the knackered nag of the Russian Tank Force all but laughable and I frankly question where Poland is getting the money to create the largest armed forces in Europe which they don't intend to use. Europe is in a severe economic recession which looks set to become a semi-permanent depression because our LNG is expensive as hell compared to the old Russian gaseous equivalent. And Poland is not Germany with all that industrial profit to afford a real army/navy/air force. This is important because when Germany asked for pricing data, the number which was quoted to them was 240 million, per jet. Poland's version shouldn't be any better. Which means that they are going to be lucky to maintain anything like a 20hr per mission, per month, training schedule. The F-15EX is going to be significantly cheaper to own and operate (85 million and 25,000 dollars per flight hour). The Typhoon, well... We'll just have to see. It's on the back side of a four tranche order with 'two of everything' and thus you are not going to see it get much cheaper because economies of scale just aren't there. Having said all of this, the truth is that the F-35 is going to be the one which has the natively low signature to do actual 'digital stealth' and the F-35 pilots online have even bragged about it, calling it 'the wormhole generator' as a means to justify bringing in JDAM droppers to less than 15km for release. The problem is that this is not how IAMDS work. The ADGE is dispersed. The missile TELs increasingly are not even battery-site associated with an engagement radar but depend on 4-5 surveillance systems which blink and use cooperative engagement multistatic trackfile synthesis to fire missiles which have their own radar (9M96E2, 40N6) or IR seeker (9M100) that lock on after an inertial midcourse. These systems are not going to be amenable to stealth because stealth is both aspect and band dependent on effectiveness. Certainly an F-35 is not going to be covering for any F-15EX _or_ Typhoon which tries to penetrate to JDAM/SDB distance and as soon as you go JASSM, the range of the XR (900km) is so great that you might as well skip the bus platform and just ground launch it. 85 million dollars buys 40 JASSM ground launch variants, 240 million dollars buys 120 such missiles. If you have satellites. If you have VLO reconnaissance UAS, then wasting money on an offensive strike warfare capacity, given how bloody minded the Poles are, is escalatory in a crazed fashion when the other side is the world's top nuclear state. If the Russians come West they only have three COGs: Novo Sibirsk, St. Petersburg and Moscow before they are a dysfunctional society. All of which can be reached from the Atlantic coast. Any Atlantic coast. If the Russians let us take Ukraine, their primary west-based nuclear deterrent could be struck, inside 5 minutes, from any PrSM or LRHW TEL, stripping them of their nuclear option. Their offensive was for defensive purposes. The West helping Ukraine is for offensive purposes. Not least because, if the Russians leave, the Ukrainians will commit genocide on the Lughansk and Donetsk and Crimean Russian populations. I do not trust the Europeans not to find an excuse to start another war. It is in their blood. They slit each other's throats for amounts of land we wouldn't call a county, let alone a country. And having been proven suckers before, why wouldn't we come charging in to bleed, a third time? Give them a robust surface to air defense capability but a very limited (no multi-cruise missile carrying long range strike bombers, no stealth pathfinders to target those missiles onto mobile targets) and maybe, when Biden is gone from office, we find the strength to save our populations from the consequences to an economic as much as military defeat, in Ukraine. If Europe goes down hard, economically, there will be no one to PAY FOR another Grand Alliance to face the next military threat, whomever it may come from. My bets are on the millions of MENA now overrunning Europe and setting up a criminal insurgency threat of enormous proportions. The Poles are relatively safe from that, because the Visegrad States knew better than to be colonized by the terror which is Islam. Sobieski Remembers. But it sincerely looks like they are setting themselves up to run a one-state war against Russia and, as NATO members, that must never happen. Nor even be entertained as possible.
Starfighter (F-104) though Poland was behind the Iron curtain at the time, politics plays just as big of a role as the planes capabilities. Right now the bulk of the capable equipment has been the M777, Himars, Javaline and Starlink. This isn't to deny how good other systems are but in comparison between the CV90 and M3 Bradley Ukrainian crews seem to enjoy the Bradley over the CV.
You gotta go with the F-15EX because of the 30,000 pounds weight capability of armaments, very long range, variety of weapons including hypersonic missiles. It could work with stealthy drones and F-35s to target enemy aircraft and SAMs.
typhoon and f15ex are not smart choices. if i were them i would say no to both deals and either work on increasing the buy of more f35, or go for one of the european 6th gen fighters. f15ex is a piece of boeing ass trash.
With the corrupt PiS Government gone, I assume Poland will rather reenvigorate its ties with EU. With the corruption and autocratic tendencies gone, EU will pour 100s of Billions into Poland. The US is strong and all, but it won't do that.
@@heinzkabofke6791 I think you fail to see how Poland sees itself in security matters; Poland trust the US to have its back, it doesn't trust the EU (Germany) to have the same commitment; especially with how Germany was hesitant towards Russia
@@delfinenteddyson9865 In the end, Poland will pay it with EU-Money as biggest beneficiary of the EU. So they should at least make sure that their welfare money stays in the EU.
@@SeeLasSee What allies? Do you mean western EU that can't wait until going back to business as usual with ruZZia so ru can rebuild their military faster? Or did you mean USA which WILL betray Poland just as they betray UA? USA does NOT want anyone to defeat ru, because USA is affraid of the consequences. So ru knows that they WILL get sth from ANY war, USA will make sure that the victim has NO possibilitty of winning. Screw such 'allies'!!!
Hey, just a small comment on the Polish air force arsenal. Aside from the f16 and soon to come f35, Poland is also buying the korean FA-50, we are going to have around a dozen of them coming in the next few years. But overall you have made a great and entertaining video. Thanks.
I'm interested in seeing what Poland does with the FA-50. It might make Boeing put some teeth in the T-7 Redhawk. I love Polish programming .... well..... I love Kingdom Come : Deliverance
@@rapidsqualor5367 plane to transport potatoes, a cheap plane for everyday air policing, chasing down lost missiles or Iranian drones, not so much for combat but for supporting roles
@@stupidburp Yup, it's a replacement for soon decommisioning Su-22 and MiG-29. Practically it's for air-policing missions and advanced jet training. Poland bought K-239 (instead of HIMARS) due to delivery times, costs, lack of offsets (even for ammunition) and potentially restrictions for use (what we're seen in last months in Ukraine.), so Poland doesn't bought for now only american sorties.
the ex is well behind completion for the american airforce it would be decades before they will be exporting to other countries. all they would realistically get is f15e
The F-15EX Eagle II would integrate seamlessly with the F-35’s hive mind concept. It’s one reason why the USAF has decided to order the F-15EX. It’ll act as missile truck guided by F-35s & AWACS. While maintaining its legendary air superiority & close air support roles.
The USAF didn't "decide" to buy it, the USAF never wanted it. The Pentagon made them buy them when it was run by a former executive of Boeing (No corruption here!). As usual the public is propagandized and the military is forced to pay for welfare programs so executives holding stocks in defense companies get filthy rich.
@@davedevonlad7402All of the American aircraft are data linked this way. The F-15 II is another crony-capitalism project for the Pentagon stock holders.
F-15 never fought a decent opponent by which I mean an air superiority fighter of the same generation, so all these promo talks in documentaries about the awesomeness of F-15 are just hot air. The early F-15 variant was an utter joke compared to Tomcat which clearly showed when Eagle was unable to shoot down a Mig-25 interceptor/recon jet over Israel without first luring it into lower altitude, and this changed only with AMRAAM missiles available a lot later after Eagle introduction into service. Personally, I think that Gripen E with Meteor missiles would be a far better fit for Poland considering experiences in Ukraine where even Mig-29 were found quite formidable as long as they were not destroyed on airfields, which both Mig-29 and Gripen E can deal with by operating from improvised airfields for which most of the US jets outside things like F-18E/F Superhornet aren't build for well enough. Just consider that Poland is a nation with a similar GDP to Sweden yet on an overspending spree as if planning to follow Greece's path to insolvency... If Poland wants to do the right thing to complement the F-35, they can just buy the Gripen E and perhaps ask for a stronger variant of the licensed engine used in the Gripen E from the US, so they can keep cozy relations with the US government by making purchasing choices that allows them to be a customer for a long time instead of going bankrupt...
@@IonorRea The F-15 fought in the 91 Gulf War which everything from Fox Bats to MiG 29s. The F-15 has a more accomplished record than the F-14 and easily outlived it.
Both are very good. I would choose the Typo hokn fir one reason, the fact that Poland will have spares and back-up close at hand. They will also be able to contribute towards further development of the newer models in the future.
A french would probably say the Rafale beats them both and Poland should buy them. But when it comes to F-15EX vs. Typhoon i would say there is not one that is objectively better. They both have advantages that balance out their disadavantages i believe. But there is one thing, i dont think the US would export their brand new Aim-260 yet because the States have a habbit to keep their best stuff for themselfes. So the Polish F-15EX would be stuck with Aim-120D i assume, i dont think it can carry Meteor nor will it likely be adapted to use them. The Typhoon can carry Meteor and it would be part of a Typhoon deal. A Typhoon with Meteor would be one heck of a better asset in Air Superiority role over the F-15EX with Aim-120D.
The Polish F-16s have been adapted for Meteor missiles. I imagine it's a doable task for the F-15EX too. But, it is an extra step that could be avoided.
@@sunray501 Polish F-16 can not carry Meteor. They might have experimented at some point but no, its not setup and able to carry and fire Meteor. Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen are the only jets currently setup to use Meteor.
There was zero mention as to whether Poland would get the AESA radar with their typhoon. Kinda the biggest question regarding what their typhoon will come with. Moreover, maybe a mention of how a typhoon armed with Meteor has a longer stick for killing manoeuvring targets than anything else on the planet right now
I'd imagine any new Typhoons would come with modern AESA, look at the ones sold to middle Eastern countries and the newer variants recently purchased by European countries, they all have AESA's as far as I'm aware.
@@Cravendale98 don’t think any production typhoon is flying with one yet. They have tested them. But introducing them into typhoons I don’t think I’d a thing yet. There are 3 different sensors. The UK AESA being the most sophisticated. Those have not been put into trench 3 RAF typhoons yet. Also the Germans don’t have one in their typhoons either I don’t think
The F-15 Eagle platform has been one of the most successful ever fielded. The F-15 Eagle II puts even that monster to shame. Longer range, better systems, greater capabilities. Merely HAVING them will cause any enemy to hesitate to commit/expose their air assets to that thing’s prowess.💯 However, if it’s my strategy, I’d pick the Typhoon. Here’s why: 1. The extra range on the EX is nice, but not really necessary. 2. Having an open source code is a HUGE advantage, operation-wise. 3. It can use a larger suite of weapons, which will aid both procurement and costs. 4. Given their other air attack assets, the Typhoon offers more upside for air superiority/defense. 5. While both are runway queens, I’d bet the Typhoon is a bit more rugged than F-15EX. Given Poland’s proximity to their biggest threat, this should be considered.🧐 Strictly my opinion, and the decision should be decided based on the strategy of defense, or attack. If they want to be more offensive, that means more American weapons. The F-15EX might be better for a more offensive approach.🤷🏾♂️
you do know that almost every european fighter built in the last 75 years has 2 engines, right? in fact, its the americans who make the most single engine fighters.
😅😅 Fighters that have yet to see combat; Eurofighter. Fighters with a 105 W to 0 L combat record; F-15E. Hmmm, let me think.... 😅😅😅 I worked on the computer systems for the conformal fuel tank modifications to the F-15E in the mid-eighties for 3 years as a consultant to McDonnell Douglas. The F-15E is a beast, twin-engined, huge range of 1,200nm thanks to the conformal fuel tanks, rapid climb rate 50,000 ft/min, 60,000 ft high ceiling, and a speed of Mach 2.5, which makes it the world's fastest fighter jet, air supremacy, all weather, 2 seater. No one has ever shot one down because our pilots are the best and the F-15 is a flying tank. The F-15EX is as tough as a fighter plane can get.
@@elessartelcontar9415, well… I wanted to be humble, but that IS a damning stat.😁 Again, I think the strategy should dictate the choice. Given the terrain of most of Poland, I’d go with a more offensive strategy. Mobility isn’t really a problem. There aren’t as many natural features to aid defense, anyway. Not like Ukraine. That means EAGLE IIs, baby!😜 The only issues to work out are logistical. That can change a weapon’s suitability, even for a mission it was designed to perform. The Typhoon removes THOSE issues (only) as it can fire a few weapons the Eagle II can’t…yet. However, the decision must be made now. The ubiquity of that plane in that region, logistics pressures are eased. In truth, both planes are popular. However, defense as the main strategy, wartime conventional wisdom holds that the more local a thing is made, the easier it is to find parts to repair said thing. This strategy invites attempts at attrition.🧐 Again, the strategy should be considered, before that choice can be well made.🤷🏾♂️
Access to all the Software,.. (no black boxes) is a huge advantage I think, also the EF2000 is a more modern design than the F-15, I wonder what Acceleration, Climbrate, Topspeed,.. a EF with the newer EJ270Engines with 120kN trust would have, also the new EW capabilities of the Tranch-5 Typhoons should be quite outstanding, think Poland should get a 'Tranch-6' EF with all that new engines and features.
the typhoon is also proven in action in saudi arabia where it has carried out thousands of strike missions, the saudis like them so much they have ordered another 64!, it is easy to work on and very reliable!
The F-15EX is now the fastest documented combat aircraft currently flying, it also has high weapons load of any combat fighter in world from air to air to air to ground munitions and has a new helmet mounted HUD, next gen combat computer/data link, along with next gen AESA radar.
have we forgotten about the Russian Mig-25 and Mig-31 (Mach 3 capable but with a complete engine change) which are seen on satellite photos stationed in Crimea I believe.
MIG 25 and MIG 31 are Interceptors. They fly fast and high, that's it. They can't Dogfight and they are not set up for ground attack or carrying enormous payloads.
@@Grouse2275 sustained speed IS important when we are talking about BVR which the F-15EX most definitely will be fulfilling. Having the launch aircraft have as high a speed and altitude as possible gives your missile that much more range and energy. It literally adds on to the missile's performance and thus capable of out ranging enemies. This is useful today and in to the future as BVR becomes the norm especially with the F-35 being the stealth sensor system while the EX being a missile truck from far away.
Latest EF variant also has a powerful ASEA radar. Instead of pointing out capabilities on one side you should maybe compare the. This is not a "how much do you like America" contest.
The F-15 EX and the F-35 systems interchange. Imagine the Eagle II’s powerful AESA radar honing in on an air defense system from a stand off range while the F-35s sweeps in with that info and stealth to destroy it. Then the F-15s come in with their remarkable bomb carrying capability to destroy whatever the air defense was protecting. That is an integrated system.
The Eurofighter would have it just the same, after half a year. The smartest choice is always their own economy; Eurofighters best for that, and it has much better thrust/weight, a bit of stealth, way higher surface ceiling and is way more maneuverable. It would win in a heads-on BVR confrontation and in a Dogfight. The F-15 would be better for large bombing raids. So question is: Air Superiority or Bombing ?
also possibel with the eurofighter, just needs certification from us and software update as with most nato standardized system + the companies do that also as a + point for selling them to get more buyers as the integration is easy same with israeli systems and many of korean,japanese, singapore systems
I think overall, the F-15 is the better system for Poland because they already operate the F-16 so much of the infrastructure is already in place for the F-15 and the F-15EX is no slouch
the F15-EX is well behind completion the murica AirForce, so it would be decades before they'll be exporting it to other countries. All they would realistically get is F15 Eagle.
They’re going to go with the EX. Their F-35s will get close and target, and the Eagle II will take that data and function as the missile truck for the -35. It can also serve as a SUPERB A2G multi-role platform and stand-off munitions launcher.
Sounds like someone didn't watch the video all the way through as both these points were mentioned as being similarities between the two airframes. If your going to pick something as your argument for one aircraft over the other at least make it something that they differ in.
I gotta go for the F-15EX, it's not only more compatible with the F-16s, F-35s, and AH-64s already bought by Poland, but it has a significantly longer service life....
The typhoon is an excellent fighter but the F-15 EX Eagle 2 is loaded with far more advantages than you could even list in this video edition. Poland would get 20000 hours of max capability .
I struggle to see many where it beats the latest versions of the Typhoon being flogged conclusively. Happy to be proven wrong, but other than sheer number of hard points I don’t think it’s the superior platform.
It really is wild that the F-15EX has such a powerful radar, but doesn't have competitive BVR missiles to take full advantage of it (yet). @@guitar7279
@@rickwalker2 F-15 EX II can carry 22 missiles, while Typhoon can carry upto 8 missiles. The F-35 can tell F-15 EX II where the dangers are with it's stealth, radar and IRST capabilities and F-15 can just launch missiles towards that direction.
It's the other way around even the F15 ex lags behind the current version of the Typhoon in many areas. The upgrades in the pipeline for the Typhoon will give it additional capabilities the F15 ex can only dream of.
Id say, the Euro fighters are better Option for Poland while the F15 can do pretty much everything the Euro fighter can do and typically better at it. It can't do one very important thing. And that's take off from short runways or roads I guess that only matters if poland is still worried about Russia's Ballistic and cruise missile capability. And their ability to take out their planes before they can take off that's crucial to Poland's plan to combat Russian invasion I think having the ability to have your entire Air Force. Be able to take off from improvised runways. It's very important at least in Poland situation considering the fact that they border their enemies.
@@jordanmascarenhas7974 F fifteen e x usually requires eight thousand to ten thousand feet of runway to take off The Euro fighter Typhoon typically takes 2500 to 3000 feet are runaway to take off. That's a pretty sizable amount. In my opinion, obviously, this would vary depending on how much the aircraft is carrying. But considering the fact that everybody sees the F15EX as a missile and bomb truck. I don't see it taking off on short or improvised runways anytime soon.
@joshafc41 with the limited amount of open source material that's out there for both the aircraft I think it's pretty easy to see that the F15 Has an edge over the Euro fighter in both air-to-air and air to ground. The F15 can fly higher, faster and farther than the Euro fighter Typhoon can. It has more Pylon's on the jet giving it the ability to carry more munitions per sortie It Can carry significantly more internal fuel. It has a significantly higher max, take off weight. Higher thrust to weight ratio. The Euro fighter is good at some things. It's just not better at them than it is the F15. It's more maneuverable and they can take off from improvised runways. That's all I can think of.
@@KalergiplansupporterIt's literally just a function of loading. Takeoff roll is proportional to weight^2. A clean light F-15A at (29000 lb) will lift off in 400 feet. The main reason the EF rated takeoff roll is shorter is mostly because it has a lower max payload.
yes it is, i really like the f15 but i'm biased as well being a brit and having worked on typhoon! they are both great aircraft and the polish government are on a win win whichever they choose
The smartest choice is always their own economy; Eurofighters best for that, and it has much better thrust/weight, a bit of stealth, way higher surface ceiling and is way more maneuverable. It would win in a heads-on BVR confrontation and in a Dogfight. The F-15 would be better for large bombing raids. So question is: Air Superiority or Bombing ?
@@lantinian The F15-EX is well behind completion for the murica AirForce, so it would be decades before they'll be exporting it to other countries. All they would realistically get is F15 Eagle.
The F15 has proven itself to be the finest air superiority fighter ever produced. It has never lost in air to air combat. It is much faster, more robust and able to carry out more roles. The Euro fighter should be compared to the F16 and a closer rival.
I agree, thanks for saving me from the rage typing ;) In a dogfight the Typhoon just crushes F-15...no disrespect to the Eagle which is a fine aircraft. The ECCM suite on the Eurofighter is scary voodoo stuff. One day we'll get to see it in Air-to-Air action, I hope :)@@raven-wf9so
@@GM-fh5jp the F-15 EX has a 5th Gen inspired ECM suite. It is more than capable of matching the Eurofighter. The F-15 is faster, less expensive, and has an airframe lifecycle more than 3 times longer than the Eurofighter. The simple reality is the Eurofighter has the cost of a 5th gen fighter without the performance and is therefore a poor choice in nearly every conceivable circumstance.
As a Pole I would delfiny choose 32 more of F-35 to make a total of 64 Lightnings II way over proposed Eurofighter or F-15 presented in your video. We don't need 4'th type of a new platform in addition to FA-50, F-16 and F-35 we already posses. Probably neither Typhoon nor Eagle II wouldn't be faster here than the next two tactical wings of Lightnings II (the cheaper, more modern and with an infrastructure already build in Poland). Saved money should be spent on the weapons, spare parts, two more AWACS and some air tankers. Considering the number o Patriot batteries (64 brand new launchers packed with an IBCS and PAC-3 MSE already bought) we don't need AD fighters over our country, while the stealthy F-35's can carry attack missions deeply into the Russian territory.
Europe needs to buy major weapons systems, light weapons, and ammunition jointly to facilitate logistics in a war. Heavy weapons could include both Eurofighter Typhoon and F-15 EX.
Love from Korea. KF-21 may be a good choice - we can arrange tech transfer as well as manufacturing in Poland :D But then again, I think Saab Gripen is a perfect fit for Poland.
If Tusk becomes new president, he could lean to Europe again and choose the Eurofighter. If the political renewal in Poland doesn't work out it will be the F-15EX.
Poland bought FA 50 and F 35 in the last few years. Air Force does not want to introduce another type in logistics and will stay with 3 types after the withdrawal of SU's and MIG's
well the FA-50PL covers the Training and low cost Air Patrol, F-35 covers NATO and first strike, the 36 F-16 and 12 F-16D are a stopgap, SU-22 small bomber and Mig-29 multirole fighters, all 3 are in the end going out. 32 F-15EX cover more then the Typhoon and in the long run having 32 F-15EX heavy bomber/fighter is good thing as Poland feet will be 10 tactical squadrons 2 F-35, 3 FA-50, 2 F-15EX and 3 F-16 that will replaced with 3 KF-21PL
@@1BigBen Bielik and Orlik are covering training. FA 50PL will be light multi roll fighter with AESA radar. For F16 modernization is planned and its not a stopgap .If Poland buys more equipment, it will probably be another 16 F35s. And don't forget that 700 MLRSs are something for Poland that should perform tactically similarly to the A10 or SU 25
@@julianizydorczak5258 Bielik didn't go anywhere and Orlik is getting old, the FA-50 is the standard trainer for must modern fighter and reason behind 16 of them will be used as trainers for the F35, now PZL Mielec F-16PLV is still a big a question mark and unlike, but current Polish F-16 are Block 52 aircraft 2006-9 and could be upgraded with some part from PZL Mielec, KF-21PL would offered more than F-16PLV for the future for Poland. there are really just 3 tank killing CAS jets in the world SU 17/22/24 etc old and kept in the air with used parts only, it is EOL Panavia Tornado is being retired in 2024/25 ether going to Ukraine or be scraped A-10 staying in service, but will not be sold that is why Poland is buying 96 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters even with Rheinmetall F-35 production 32 +16 or +32 will take to much time even with PZL Mielec more F-16 will also take to much time Boeing says 3 to 4 years to delivered all 32 F-15EX there are 48 used Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 1 coming to the used market it would be fasted way to get 2 new squadrons in training and to the air new Eurofighter Typhoon could take 4 to 10 year to delivered all 32 jet 2026 Poland could sign a deal for KF-21 with jet start coming between 2027-30 its not a easy choose today feet 36 F-16c, 23 Mig-29 and iffy 32 SU-22
The F-15 has the radar cross section of a barn. The Eurofighter is a great air tonair and air to ground platform. The F-15X is basically a truck. It can complement other platforms such as the F-35, but I doubt its survivability in a modern conflict. The Eurofighter can survive much better in modern air war, with towed decoys and a good array of electronic countermeasures. Plus, it has been designed for the scenario, the polish wants to use it: air dominance against russian aircraft.
"There's been a huge time gap in delivery acquisition of the F-15ex , From what I read the US is a year behind schedule in acquiring between 1-4 fighters.
If they want a point interceptor that can be used off highways and small fields dispersed the the Eurofighter is the choice, if they want air superiority and are not worried about their airfields id say the F15EX
@@Schupfnudel111maybe for dogfighting. The radar, speed, and payload capacity on the eagle make it the logical choice. That and the absurdly long airframe lifespan.
@@alexalbrecht5768The Typhoons Radar 2, BVR, ECM and electronic attack capabilities are all superior to what the F15 has to offer. Not to mention sustained supersonic performance.
@@joshafc41 The AN/APG-82(V) 1 uses proven components and is designed to make maintenance a non issue. What real advantage can the Captor E offer? The new fully digital EPAWSS system offers comprehensive ECM capabilities to allow the F-15 to dominate the skies. The marginal super cruise of the Eurofighter is still inferior to the ability of the F-15 to reach its target faster when the need arises. Time is of the essence when it comes to intercepting and destroying enemy aircraft. And as I mentioned before the airframe lifespan difference is immense. The F-15 is designed for a service life of 20,000 hours. That is more than 3 times the 6,000 hours of the Eurofighter. Why should Poland waste their money on a maintenance intensive fighter that will be out of service after a fraction of the operating time?
Ha! The mythical performance of the F-15! The Mach 2.5 speed it’s probably ever reached a handful of times with no payload! And how long can it sustain that speed? 5 minutes? There’s no way it covers long distances faster without supercruise. And that second magical number: the 20,000h airframe! That just says the airframe should survive a prolonged use. It doesn’t tell you how much it costs for all the rest to be in flying condition. Apparently the official number is $29,000 an hour. But until it is actually used, it’s just a guess. And who knows if it’ll be easy to upgrade. The airframe life on his own doesn’t mean that much…
@dne9394; Sir, that's what the F-35s were made for, to QB while using other assets to complete an extremely effective "kill chain". That been said, the F-35s are in the block 4 improvement meaning that like any new Weapons Platform it'll continue to get better and more effective as time passes by. Take care Sir.
The F-15 is the logical choice and the available payload/ordnance make it the smarter choice. I’m a big fan of the Typhoon, but the decision isn’t a tough one when you’re thinking about tomorrow’s war and fighting along side the F-35. I really like this video, Tog…it’s fantastic. I see you’re very close to 100K, congratulations! 🥳
Nobody has mentioned cost. Both the Eagle II and the Typhoon sound superb, but if one is significantly less expensive than the other to buy and maintain, then maybe that would be the deciding factor. Poland could buy more of the less expensive option, and in general more is better. That's one reason the F-16 has been so successful.
Speaking of the F-15EX… did you notice that EX3, or F-15EX 20-0003 (or 20-003, not sure which), actually doesn’t have CFTs? it is also the first one to be built in final operational configuration, so that is probably a big part of it.. it flew its first flight I think…. last week? There are, I think, 6 EXs scheduled to be delivered between the last quarter of FY2023 and the first quarter of FY2024, 4 of them are joining EX1 and EX2 here at Eglin, probably joining the 40 FLTS, 85 TES, 422 TES, or the 59 TES, I know EX1 is assigned to the 40th FLTS, while I’m not sure where EX2 is assigned. The other 2 EXs to be delivered will go to Kingsley Field for the Oregon ANG. P.S.: see you guys in Frankfurt 😉
Poland is already set to operates 3 different jets: F16 x 48 units, T-50 x 48, F-35A x 32 So that's a total of 128 aircraft ordered so far. It seems crazy expensive and logistically more complicated to stretch to a fourth type; ordering more F35 airframes would seem more sensible, perhaps 16 more units.
I vote for the F-15 because of its payload capacity. Poland already has F-35s for air superiority, 4th get fighter will mostly be used in ground strike missions.
F35 is not an air superiority fighter though, That's the issue, neither is the f15ex. The eurofighter is designed for Primarly A2A, think Poland needs that more. Find my post here, I go into detail.
@@tbo2307 F-35 is a multirole attack aircraft, it is not an air superiority fighter. It was originally designed to complement the F-22, which IS an air superiority fighter(sadly, a limited production run means that the Raptor's fate is already sealed). One-fighter air forces go for the multirole aircraft since it does a lot of jobs reasonably well even if it doesn't excel at any of them.
I would have to go with F-15EX, the amount of weapons that they can carry is mind-boggling along with its long range and when you pair it with a F 35 it’s crazy to think about, plus moving forward and future events it’s a smarter choice. But the typhoon is a sexy platform.😉
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I’m not sure how they can carry hypersonic missiles since the U.S. don’t have any!?!? They surely will be able to… some time in the future! But so will the Typhoon if it’s still around and most other planes!
You have to take into account the change in majority that just occurred. The previous government went into a rampage buying frenzy that is menacing the financial capacity of the country, for political reasons, and was anti-EU. The new majority is pro-EU and will have to restaure a reasonable budget, they will probably wish to renegociate some deals and take their time for their new orders. Poland cannot afford a mix of air superiority and air-to -ground planes, they need a multirole fighter. That suggests that the Eurofighter may be a better choice, but Poland will also hesitate to buy from Germany. I think no large order will be passed before many years, and that could actually be between F35 and Rafale rather than between F15 and Eurofighters.
Typhoon can be purchased from Italy or UK or Spain or Germany. Poles will decide which will be tge lead contractor and look for local participation offset plus participation in long term development eg Tempest.
True but the share of German-made components in the planes will remain as is (that's part of the agreement between partners) so that means Germany will have a say in Poland's Typhoons (as for example it is blocking Typhoons' sales to Saudi Arabia, although it would never block sales to a EU country of course), so politics may remain an issue, even if the new government is far more tolerant to Germany than the previous one. Under the current Eurofighter's consortium agreement, there is very little they could offer to Poland as counterparts, future Eurofighter's development currently is blocked unless Germany actually buys new planes, and that's not sure at all@@michaelmazowiecki9195
@@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh replacement Typhoon orders are being placed as the oldest ones end their service. I suspect further upgrades will take place as Tempest 5/6gen development costs become prohibitive. As for Germany's role German manufacturing is looking for firm orders. We are getting rid of the lunatic populist government of the past 8 years here in Poland and fully committing to both EU and Nato. Buying European makes both economic and political sense. The question is Typhoon or Rafale or Gripen.
That is a factor that seems a valuable insight. If the typhoon can help lead Poland into getting into getting into one of the joint 6 gen programs, then that would be helpful for their defense in the long term.
Personally as Polish-American I would prefer F15EX over EF2000 and Poland should choose the better option for them. I hope Boeing does it right and I offers Poland with F15EX the KC46a and Ch47. Poland is already working on acquiring 96 AH64Es. Hope US gives Poles a deal they can’t resist
If I'm not being bias here I'd give the edge to the EF, with its proven meteor missile, tight turn radius, and better agility. Pilots that have flown it seem to act as if there is nothing comparable to it and wouldn't choose another airframe over it. I absolutely love the F-15. It's perhaps my most favorite fighter jet of all time, only second to the legendary F-14, but really its a design that was conceptualized less than a decade after wwll; see NA-237 fighter bomber concept that lead to the A-5 Vigilante (historical blueprint for the mig25). And in the end, that's just it. The EF is a more modern airframe that was designed with updated wvr tactics in mind. That said, and as beloved as the F-15 is, it shouldn't still be in service anymore and shouldve been permanently replaced by the F-22 thirty years ago. Add to that, rumor has it that the AF doesn't really want them but has no other option. I mean imagine still flying P-51 Mustangs over half a century after they first entered service. Will hate to see it go, but my gut tells me that this is more military industry milking a program for all its worth while projecting theoretical hype over what should be a real "game changer" i.e. new F-22's or its replacement.
For the best performance I'd go with the Typhoon, but the F-15EX is no slouch either and probably makes more sense since they have already got a bunch of American gear, and commonality with F-16's engines.
No European air force currently operates the F-15. With Eurofighter the clue is in the name. If Poland is looking at air superiority as its priority, then as it is so close to Russian bases, the Typhoon's rate of climb will be important as will it's helmet mounted cueing system for dog fighting. However, I suspect that as as happened in the past in Europe, the US will find a way to put some pressure on Poland to buy the F-15 (which would still be an excellent choice).
Suspect former Eastern European countries won't be as susceptible to US 'persuasion' . They remember living under communist rule before and will want planes quickly. For all the arguing going on, the US have only built 6 F15EX airplanes so far and Poland need to rearm now. I hope the UK just give Poland the tranch 1 Eurofighters with Meteors which they can give to Ukraine. Ukrainian pilots have been training with the RAF which could now make sense. Poland can buy the newer models with source code and upgrade them as they see fit. May also be an opportunity to join the UK, Italy and Japan on the Tempest program.
Typhoon would be my bet, in its most modern configuration its an excellent platform, especially with weapons like Meteor. Also Poland has a deepening relationship with thr UK which might play a part, they also might not want to put all their eggs in one basket with the Americans.
F-15 is a 1970s aircraft. Typhoon is twenty years newer. However the F-15EX can launch heavy weapons up to 7000lb & 22ft long. Does Poland want such heavy weapons? If so, the F-15EX is the way to go. If Poland does not need weapons heavier than 2000lb then the latest tranche 4 Typhoon makes more sense.
As an American I like the F15ex..but if I was Poland...the Typhon is a fine airplane and has as they said already operates with other Ameircan Aircraft without a problem..but..if I am Poland i am going to pick the Typhone becasue it clicks all the boxes and as they said..gives them a foot hold in advanced aircraft production..it's the smart move
The EX Eagle 2 is simply the proven platform and not only that, a high performance heavy multi role over any other 4.5 Gen aircraft. Just more efficiency, more payload, more overall reliability in operations than any other competitor 4.5 Gen. You know it works and it is made even better with the latest upgrades
The typhoon is awesome but I think Poland and their requirements would be better suited going for the eagle. They have stealth covered, they got the agile fighter covered with the vipers I’d go f15 but either would work great
The Eagle gives Poland the option of deeper strike and SEAD capabilities than the Eurofighter. Also, the US is more likely to be able to kick these bad boys out of the plant if/when war breaks out. Europe's supply chains are just too delicate.
There is a huge amount of institutional knowledge behind the Eagle. Poland can also readily find retired AF personnel to train their people. Typhoon is a sexy beast indeed, but it is 100 victories to no losses like Eagle.
@@LeonAusteven the J-20 is 12 years old, the Su-57 is 13, and the F-35 is 17. The original design/first flight of a modern version of a 4.5/4++ is of little relative relevance compared to the relevance of the modernization of avionics and hardware
its not even a competition, especialy geopoliticaly how good relations PL & US are ... And btw, after I red some stuff, how F-35 + F-15 EX should cooperate together, its not even a question anymore.
Would go with the F15, main reson is other Countries will have the euro fighter. More flexibility in a time of war between friends. Plus the F15 is solid.
Poland needs to keep ability of taking off from short runways or roads. The F15 doesn't come with that capability. They need the Euro fighter. I 100% agree that the F15 is, the more capable. Yet it just lacks in a very crucial area.
@@Jason_g_kennedy I didn't really think of that. I thought that the Polish government would slowly retire to the Europe. Fighter tiphone and the mig 29 to replace them with a better American aircraft if they were to buy the F15.
If it comes with the new AESA radar, and the other upgrades coming with the latest ordered versions, then the EF2000 is the more capable platform, esp. for interceptor role as there's no fighter out there atm which can match the acceleration and climb rate of the EF.
You failed there. Both the top speed and the climb rate of the F-15 are superior to the Eurofighter. The climb rate of the F-15 is 342 Meters per second. The Climb rate of the Eorofighter is 315 Meters per second. You kinda failed there.
@@wadopotato33 You do realize those figures are for completely different loading configurations, right? The F-15 figure is for a light and completely slick F-15C, not a fat combat loaded F-15EX. Meanwhile the EF figure is for a interceptor loaded configuration (which includes 6 msl + centerline drop tank) So please, come again...
So correct me if I'm wrong this is a plane advert directed to youtube window shoppers devoid of any news story to attach to. Why just mention 2 planes then. Do pick and choose more if youre pulling them out of the hat anyways.
Poland is making 2 new squadron and Boeing has offered the F-15EX and the Eurofighter Typhoon availability is higher, KF-21 is still few years away and F-16 availability is slow due to F-16V and upgraded kits same as F-15EX SAAB doesn't have the production capability, Poland is already buying 48 FA50 and F/A-18 super Hornet production is ending in 2025, that is all the real jet fighter covered.
The USAF is the primary operator of the Eagle Ii and has deep pockets to fund. any new tech needrd to keep the jet updated. Thr Typhoon is funded by Consortium and by countries with small defense budgets. New tech will takeu h longer to incorporate, if at all. For example, how long did it take for the EF to get an AESA radar vs the Anerican jet?
I think its so outrageously understated that ultimately Poland will be fighting a defensive mission, effectively holding off Russian attempts to gain air superiority as part of an invasion. In the event of a Russian invasion, whilst there will be a huge requirement to nullify russian radar and launching capabilities, the primary mission is to stop russian aircraft penetrating NATO airspace. Working under the assumption of functioning air defence systems, Poland would need to hold Russia off in time for NATO reinforcements. I look at it this way, with F35 platforms being able to provide unparalleled situational awareness with deep penetrative stealth capabilities, whatever aircraft is selected needs 2 things, the ability to integrate with the F35 and the ability to hold a large number of missiles to target identified targets. Both aircraft mentioned can do this however personally (Admittedly as a Brit) the Eurofighter has the edge here for the following reasons 1. Whilst the F15 is a fabulous platform, its older and designed as a proper multi role aircraft, designed to do everything very well such as keeping similar manoeuvrability to russian aircraft, great air to air/ground capabilities and great sensors and carrying capacity but the Eurofighter is designed from the outset to not only match but supremely surpass russian aircraft in sensors, air to air combat and manoeuvrability, which it does. The RAF exercises show the Eurofighter, obviously discounting stealth characteristics, can match manoeuvrability and even exceed the F22 when piloted correctly and will exceed the dogfighting capabilities of the heavier F15. Its also a more survivable platform, having being designed with a low RCS in mind (not stealth), where the F15 undoubtedly will be detected earlier (being seen and then subsequently identifed), alongside its "electronic stealth" as mentioned 2. The range of missiles available to the Eurofighter, whilst not having the carrying capacity of the F15 (but still having a massive one at that compared to anything Russia will be using), is unparalleled, with Meteor missiles undoubtedly being the king of long range air to air missiles worldwide with sustained burn through all phases of flight, the highest no escape zone of any missile in the world and exceptional range. The superiority over the AMRAAM is so clear that the US is now developing a brand new missile themselves to match these capabilities. Also for those that say the Meteor could be adapted for the F15, of course it could be but why would the US do this for a country when its developing its own comparative missile that it would probably love to sell to Poland (Politics cannot be understated here and the US is still yet to successfully intergrate this to the F35, which is hard with the internal bay and is still yet to even attempt this with the F16, the process could take years!) 3. The access to the F35 integration of the Eurofighter is not only seemless but tested by many air forces across Europe with not only their own aircraft but eachothers aircraft. Using the large numbers of Typhoons and F35s in europe already, as part of a combined european defence, there literally is no better aircraft available to intergrate into this network than the Eurofighter 4. The F15EX, whilst being an unbelievable aircraft, is a "newer" platform (in reality its not its a older design with the latest and greatest) is not battle tested to anywhere near the same extent as the Eurofighter (Before everyone loses their minds, yes the F15 is far more battle tested then the Eurofighter in general, but every active variant of the Eurofighter is extensively tested, whilst the EX itself has 0 battlefield testing) 5. Logistics - The entire Eurofighter production line and supply chain is on the doorstep and is far far more easily accessible 6. Most important in my honest opinion, is the 6th generation projects this opens the door for. The British tempest fighter (or whatever its called now since new countries have joined it 😂) is the future of European Nato defence and would be the cutting edge in any future conflict. Whatever the US develops will be great for sure, whilst also the chances of a F22 style export ban are high, the US also has differing mission requirements to many European air forces. The potential for this fighter to not only be an exceptional platform but to even potentially to be the most capable platform on the planet cannot be understated, with research being conducted by many of the largest defence contractors around the world, with much of the tech being tested on the Eurofighter, not only does this give Poland the chance to gain access to what will undoubtedly be an unbelievable platform (which is absolutely no guarantee at all with the US), it also gives them a chance to be able to intergrate their own domestic industry into that process, with the current proposals being to effectively allow the finished product to be built by the countries own companies using the jointly established designs. Let me be extremely clear here - The F15EX is the newest iteration, has the highest carrying capacity, has likely the same Radar range/track capabilities as the latest AESA Eurofighters, is faster (the Eurofighter is still a Mach 2 aircraft but the F15 is bloody fast!) and has undoubtedly better strike capabilities due to that being more of an after thought with the Eurofighter, although the Eurofighter still does this exceptionally well. The F16 is the perfect fighter for any potential Polish strike missions and they already have these in stock for that mission. The F15EX is an unbelievable platform and undoubtedly exceeds the Eurofighter in areas and i really want to emphasis this to negate an accusations of biases here but ultimately everything must be contextualised to the specific nuances of each country, what they need and what the military and geopolitical requirements are. For me the Eurofighter beats it out but lets also not forget that we're not all defence experts in the comments and the Polish procurement guys probably dont use internet articles and Wikipedia when making these decisions
We Gotta know the fact that F-15 is operated by many U.S major allies like South Korea, Japan, Israel and Singapore. Recently, Indonesia has selected F-15EX for the next gen fighter jet and Israel has also selected F-15IA to replace their old F-15s. Interestingly, South Korean Air Force operates their F-15K along with German made Taurus KEPD 350 cruise missile. When it comes to the weapon selection range I think there is no fighter jet like F-15 which can operate various weapons.
I hope Poland will choose the EF Typhoon, it would strengthen the European relationships much more Next to the factories being really close by and possibly getting to manufacture some parts
But Poland is not very trusting of the French and Germans, Spaniards and italians, and I can see why. In fact, Germany was instrumental in the Ukraine war happening in the first place since the Germans kept buying Russian gas right up to the point where they simply could not anymore. I know France is not in the EF program, but placing an order on the EF is still to cast your lot with Europe, especially the Germans, and casting ones lot with Europe means having to rely on the French to a higher degree than if you just consistently cast your lot with the US. As it stands, IMO only a fool would trust the Germans and the French in a cold or hot war with Russia, so stick with the US and the UK. Far as I can tell, Poland has always adviced caution that just wasn't heeded. Fact of the matter is, If Poland or the Baltics ever end up in a cold or hot war with Russia, they will simply look to the US for aid, and not Europe. So politically, the F15 EX makes infinitely more sense while technically, the EF is probably as good if not slightly more modern even. But F15 EX is what makes the most sense regardless. The One Political selling point for the EF might be the UKs heavy involvement with it, and why are also an OKish ally to have, but nothing that compares to the US at the end of the day.
While we are talking about either option A or option B, how about option C. Our military currently fields a large gun with two wings attached to it and a jet engine on either side of the rudder. Perhaps Poland would like to purchase a dozen of those. The cockpit is even protected by a titanium bathtub.
If they already have or will have a stealth jet, then going for the F 15ex will be the better option...it has much more flight hours (20,000) the Eurofighters (8000) projected.... Also more payload, fuel Carrying capacity as well.... It can also carry oversized bombs and is even projected to operate hypersonic Weaponry.... The Eurofighter is also an incredible jet, but F 15ex/ F 35 combo will be way way deadlier.... If used wisely.....
“Projected to operate hypersonic weapons”!?!? Everyone is. Until it happens, it doesn’t cost anything to make these kind of promises! And the 20,000h mean the airframe is going to last, but it doesn’t tell you how costly the maintenance of everything inside it will be!
Why will two strike fighters, EX and F35 be a more deadly A2A threat than a strike fighter and Air Superiority fighter, F35 and Typhoon. The Typhoon owns this role.
Who said the ex is just a strike aircraft...its just derived from the F-15E platform.... The EX is desingned to be a missile truck and can carry upto 21 A2A missiles, by using its new quadrupple launchers ..... while the Eurofighter can carry upto 8 A2A missiles.... Also the EX will have more loiter time and much more range than the Eurofighter. Note: I didn't mean the Eurofighter is a bad jet or is in any way inferior to the EX... the F35 and Eurofighter combo is great too...but the EX/F 35 combo crosses out each others vulnerabilities perfectly. this is also strictly my opinion by the way.@@MultiVeeta
@@dreamhunter2973 no it doesn't you're just highlighting how little you know of air combat. Carrying 20+ missiles makes an aircraft extremely heavy, slower and not agile, works fine if all your doing is shooting a wave of bombers but this is suicide against Russian fighters.
@@MultiVeeta Nope. It's called BVR warfare.... You don't need to get into rapid turns and dogfights....the F 35 can go and spot out enemy fighters...while the F 15 can snipe them down....and the 21 load out is the maximum possible combination. It's likely to be between 12-15..... And still, the Eagle is no slouch with that kind of loading..... Also the Kind of airel warfare you are talking about has been long dead since stealth jets came out.
No doubt the F-15 EX is a fantastic fighter aircraft. But the technology transfer/source code from Euro fighter is undeniable much better offer. So I will go with the Typhoon Euro Fighter.❤
The cost for the F-15EX Eagle II is approximately $90 million to $ 97 million for each aircraft depending upon production lot, about $7.5 to 14 million more than the newest price for an F-35A. If Poland is already getting F-35s that cost less, what does the F-15 bring to the mission that justifies the cost ‽ By the way, that is a rhetorical question.
Are you serious with that question? It bring the ONLY platform capable of carrying hypersonic missiles, up to 22 air-air missiles, plus greater range than the competition and a greater climb rate, dive rate and top speed, lower cost of acquisition and maintenance. It’s not even close. F-15X Eagle II for the win
@@jordanmascarenhas7974 I guess you didn’t read the last sentence. I am not disagreeing with you, but the actual answer is relatively complex and the two aircraft are not interchangeable. My take on it is the actual reason is due to some issues with the F-35, the most important one being that for the US military is that the F-15 production slots are available a lot earlier than F-35. There are a number of other issues, but it is not a simplistic this or that is obviously better.
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Although the Eagle has a high 'dash' speed when clean. It can't 'supercruise' with a full warload, whereas the Typhoon can at around mach 1.5. The Typhoon can also almost anything in the US arsenal aswell as everything Europe has to offer.
I worked on the F-15E as a consultant to McDonnell Douglas. It's a beast! 104 Ws to ZERO Ls! No other aircraft comes close to that record. The F-15EX (we only have 6 of them) is far superior to the Eurofighter Typhoon. F-15EX specs Maximum speed: 1,650 mph, 2,656 km/h / Mach 2.5+ Combat range: 791 mi, 1,272 km Ferry range: 2,400 mi, 3,900 km with conformal fuel tanks and three external fuel tanks Service ceiling: 60,000 ft (18,000 m) g limits: +9 Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (250 m/s) + Typhoon Eurofighter specs Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 much slower than the Mach 2.5+ of the F-15EX Maximum altitude: 55,000 ft which is 5,000 feet lower than the F-15EX Range: 2,900 km (1,800 mi, 1,600 nmi) better fuel economy due to much less powerful engines Rate of climb: 315 m/s (62,000 ft/min)
One item that is not discussed in the comparison is crew manning. In an extreme, fast-paced, hostile environment, the extra crewman of the F-15 can provide a level of information assimilation which can help to minimize information overload and assist in situational awareness. Yes, I know that today's technology can help to mitigate information overload through the help of digital display helmets, and sensor fusion. Nevertheless, having that extra being to see the situation, to assimilate the information and 'cover their six' can be a very decisive factor in the fast-paced air threat and combat environment. Yes, there is the additional cost of manpower, training and additional aircraft weight, but I believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
Is there a reason they won't just get more f35's? Seems like a step backwards, they can always run the f35 in a non stealth config if they need more magazine depth, but having the option would be best.
As great as the 35 is, there are some roles a 4th gen is better suited to do such as missile truck missions and more lower priority missions. Many F-35 customers won't have it as the only plane in their air forces and 4th gens probably have less restrictions as well.
@@mill2712 the eagle 2 is more expensive than the f35 isn't it? Yes it carries like 30k lbs payload, but the f35 in a not stealth config is at 22k. An all missile payload is much less, and Poland doesn't exactly need the extended range beyond theoretically striking Moscow, 1300km, from Warsaw. F35 combat radius is like 1100km on only internal fuel isn't it? I just don't get it
11:52 An important factor lots of people seem to ignore. When you buy armament from a certain country it often times happens that extra parts and new equipment only is permitted to be sent to you when you are in general alignment with the foreign policies of that country. Such shortages happened to some Euro countries who had different stances on the Ukraine war and Poland is notorious for doing its own thing often times making it an outcast in Europe.
You have to consider the fact that the US is an increasingly unreliable partner for Europe as a whole depending upon who is in power. Once upon a time the geo-politics of a close relationship with the US was straightforward but not anymore.
It's true there are an increasing number of politicians who take Putin's position on all issues, incredibly, even anti-American positions. But even at the very, very lowest common denominator of alliance, most American politicians see allied territories as a useful buffer zone if nothing else. [edit] And I have to add that in my experience most Americans are fine people who do love foreigners.
For air policing Poland's eastern borders the Eurofighter Typhoon is the better choice. First of all it only needs 300ft to takeoff vs 900ft for the F15EX. Same picture for landing with 700ft for the Typhoon and 3600ft for the F15EX. Furthermore the Typhoon has a much better climb-rate with 62600ft/m vs 50.000ft/m for the F15. The Typhoons are just as interoperable with the F35´s as The F15 , so no difference there. The fuel economy is much better for Typhoons. The Eurofighter is slightly more expensive per unit at 117m$ vs 94m$ for the F15EX with the EPAWSS. Both are excellent fighters, but for the purpose of establishing air superiority in combination with a F35 backbone, I believe the Eurofighter is a mature but still more modern platform that would integrate better with the Polish requirements and logistics.
They should have a fly off and divide it up into 1 landing on Polish and German roads. 2 land attack munitions 3. Air to air interdiction. 4. Maintenence turn around. Both local and remote.
I would have to say the F-15EX would serv a dual role function. First, as an 4.5 gen air superiority fighter and second, as an intermediate range bomber. With the ability to carry a wide arrangement of bombs and missile armament. Giving Poland a strategic advantage that few countries in Europe currently have.
Even though F-15 is my favourite, I think EF would be better choice for Poland because of its missile. MBDA Meteor is far more superior then anything that Russia has on their jets. But if they can integrate Meteor with F-15 it would be the best pick
I don't think either aircraft offers any qualitative advantages over the other that are significant enough to make a huge difference to the decision, both offer broadly speaking the same capabilities. It'll all come down to politics and depends on whether they want to bolster ties with the EU and the UK or the US more.
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It is first time I hear about that. While both were proposed to Poland. Most experts say to increase number of F-35.
Poland has no money or reason to buy any of those two.
Surprising to hear the US is considering exporting the EX model, and not a country-specific down-graded version…..
Everything is OK but my god that "inventive" name. F-15 Eagle II.. WTF?? Was that the best USAF can do? What about Golden Eagle, Bold Eagle, Super Eagle, etc, etc..... I don't know what's up with Pentagon's naming schemes in the last 20 or so years.. The perfect example is the venerable Hellfire missile with the coolest name ever. And the replacement is named JAGM, freaking acronym (Joint air to ground missile).. Come on...
We can't forget the F-35 Lightning II of course.. Have you ever heard anybody referring to the F-35 as the Lightning? Nope.. The pilot community has adopted a much cooler name for the F-35, calling it The Panther.
I'm afraid to think about the name for the NGAD fighter that will replace the incredibly named Raptor... What can we expect? F-23 Chicken? Dung beetle? Coo-coo? WTF??
I love the F-15 as they were the first aircraft i worked around at my first base. The EX is such a major leap in abilities. If a local manufacturing center can be established it would be the ultimate option.
The Typhoon is also a powerful fighter. And with a local supplier and manufacturing partners it would be a better option.
Agree. F15 shouldn't even be an option. Rather a chose between Eurofighter and Gripen, as they both are produced close by and have as good and even better features than F15EX..
@@mikkorenvall428 Like why? Poland use F-35, F-16 and FA-50. Which each cover different category.
Poland literally do not need F-15, Typhon or especially Gripen.
Typhoon in theory should be a better option yet recent geopolitical turmoils showed that neither Italy nor Germany(Spain is questionable too) are reliable military partners for Poland. In such case F-15 is better option - mostly because paradoxically Poland has more common interests in Europe with the US than with France or Germany.
@@TheRezro Becuase all of those aircraft that you listed are not masters of their trades. F35 is a deep strike aircraft and would be key for potential invasions, F16 is a great small air fighters however its single engine is its downfall. FA-50 is a multiroll aircraft just like the F35 and there isnt anything the F35 cant do and do it better due to it being stealth. An F15 and Eurofighter are planes made for air domination meaning poland has an aircraft built from the ground up specifically for air combat. Not only that though it also means the integreation of new armaments, for example if poland takes the Typhoon they have access to Stormshadow a great stealth cruise missile, Meteor which is currently natos best Air to air missile which uses a scram jet engine to hit higher speeds and travel much further then almost all American missiles currently and they also have access to brimstone which is practically a javelin missile but can equip 3 for pretty much every hard point giving the aircraft about 12+ anti tank missiles maybe more. Not to mention they would have 2 very close allies being Germany and Italy who manufacter parts for typhoon making logistics insanely easy.
@@ashleygoggs5679 Most air combat in Poland would take place on relatively short ranges. F-15 and Typhon are excellent. But they are needed for larger style of combat expected from US. Poland can't really afford too many types and F-16 gradually go out of production, with F-35 being its direct replacement. FA-50 is armed trainer, intended to light F-16 and F-35 from less important tasks.
Eurofighter allows the use of SAAB / BAE / MBDA weapons that are very good - Storm Shadow, Brimstone, Meteor and RBS15 are fantastic weapons
With how hesitant Germany was towards Russia before the invasion, I doubt Poland will trust Germany.
Aim 260, Peregrine and others are on the very near horizon for US fighters as well.
@@niweshlekhak9646 ...it can be - and the F15EX is a incredible machine also !... just needs to be supplied with the very best missiles too !...
@@jfiery Most us weapons are already integrated on the Typhoon.
@@joshafc41 agreed. Pretty much all of them. I was mainly commenting on the Meteor because it is the one weapon system that is better than anything the US currently fields.
In the end it'll all come down to what Poland deems is more important to it's strategy. I think the Eagle II has more going for it tactically, but the Typhoon makes more sense logistically.
I'm leaning a bit more towards the Typhoon, but either way Poland is going to get a really amazing fighter regardless of which they choose.
Without ALE-55/ALE-70, the ALQ-249 (EPAWSS) is not likely 'digital stealth' good enough to get an F-15E to a distance where it can make use of it's payload superiority to do the deed with the likes of GBU-53. Once you get beyond the 10/2 cutoff the APG-82 doesn't help you and the F-15EX is still a 7-10m2 RCS airframe.
AGM-158B/D are nice but they are also more than a 2 million, each.
Similarly, while the DASS has TRD, without the full-up Praetorian mod, the Typhoon survivability package is not sufficient. And some parts of that system are UK only, under direct control of BAe without export through Eurofighter Gmbh.
This is further aggravated by the lack of a standoff ARM.
However; Typhoon has the SPEAR-3 which is, essentially, GBU-53 with a turbine and a genuine 100km capability, high or low.
Thus it has the ALCM->GBU standoff option beat.
The U.S. AARGM/SIAW kit is looking really good and would be a good fit (heavy missile, quite large but unlike AGM-88E/F, ejector launch capable) for the F-15EX but could also be brought in on the F-35 which also provides at least some DEAD options.
Air to Air, without AIM-260, the Eagle is simply not competitive against the R-37M/R-77M. With it, the Meteor is still better but only once you accept the massive range:impulse variance in F-Pole. The ramAAM can get to distances comparable to the R-37M (for an EW protected fighter target) but most of that distance is going to be at an average Mach of 2.5 with only terminals at Mach 3+. The Mach 6.7 Axehead has an average Mach of 3.8 so, short of a massive improvement in EW (MALD-J or Swedish LALD) the Meteor is always going to be last to the A-pole. AIM-260 is worse, in that it is a Mach 5 class missile but only to max burn of 20-25nm, after which it has a Mach 3 midcourse to a (realistic) 40-50nm outer pole.
Only if the AIM-260 or Meteor is qualified to the F-35, with Sidekick, will Poland be genuinely competitive, air to air, with the Russian MiG-31 and Su-35. It will likely be inferior, kinematically, to the Su-57 and S-400 with the 40N6, even then.
The fact that the Typhoon has a genuine IRST should also not be ignored.
On a purely geo-political level, Poland should remember 1939 and the desperate orders for Hurricanes and MS-406/D.520 which went unanswered. Having a little variety in your arms suppliers is never a completely bad idea.
Logistically, doesn't matter, the U.S. has one of the best maintenance programs of any arms supplier and does so as a function of initial bed down contract. You will pay for the M&R guarantee because you won't get the jet without adequate 'NATO Plan' funded capabilities assurance.
This includes quarterly threat updates and 24hr maintenance call centers with an engine and airframe representative usually in-country.
Europe has nothing nearly so advanced and so their lower cost maintenance packages are not the deal they look to be.
The big deal is going to be getting in on the ground floor of what I believe is going to be a major reshuffling/power struggle change in the dynamic of NATO, once Ukraine is not on the table and Biden is gone. Blowing up an allies' energy delivery system is just not done and if America is politely asked to exit SHAPE there will be big changes as the EU sets up it's own army and tries to bring some unity to the defense overhead. Streamlining the multiplicity of service commands into a common air force/navy/army/expeditionary system with shared logistics suppliers and competitive bid structures/buyouts will be a monumental change for Europe, well beyond what EADS tried to do.
And about damn time.
As a result of this, American companies will be increasingly locked out, even from being able to sub-contract European maintenance service/parts suppliers and that could make keeping American weapons systems functional a lot more difficult for countries with a large inventory of non-European weapons systems.
Ukraine has basically become a giant Reset Button on East:West relations but it is also going to be a major driver on within-West assumptions of shared defense.
If this comes with a breaking of the Dollar GRC status, being America's defense customer may flatly no longer be matter of practical concern as the bottoming out of the dollar purchasing power against things like exotic materials or subsystems/component sourcing may well destroy the America Inc. defense sales business model, altogether.
@@xyz-hj6ulyou’re saying all this like the F-35 fleet isn’t going to start turning Russian airbases and air defenses into scrap from the outset of any conflict. Russian aircraft will quickly lose their air defense bubble and will quickly find themselves operating without any real support. The F-15 is more than capable of defending Polish airspace while the F-35 does its thing. The Su-57 doesn’t even have enough units to form a full squadron and the S-400 has seemingly been defeated by every western missile platform in Ukraine.
I will point out that the engines are the same in the f-15ex as it is in the F-16. So as far as Logistics go you're reducing the number of engines that you have to deal with which when you factor in everything is a huge deal. So I don't think that the Euro fighter has the logistics edge that it may look like on the surface.
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First off, I don't believe Russia intends to invade NATO Europe.
For much the same reason that it wouldn't invade after 1956 when Blue Danube signaled the arrival of an independent deterrent for the Brits.
The Vanguard and the Triomphant both make any real threat of loss or breakout by the knackered nag of the Russian Tank Force all but laughable and I frankly question where Poland is getting the money to create the largest armed forces in Europe which they don't intend to use.
Europe is in a severe economic recession which looks set to become a semi-permanent depression because our LNG is expensive as hell compared to the old Russian gaseous equivalent.
And Poland is not Germany with all that industrial profit to afford a real army/navy/air force.
This is important because when Germany asked for pricing data, the number which was quoted to them was 240 million, per jet.
Poland's version shouldn't be any better. Which means that they are going to be lucky to maintain anything like a 20hr per mission, per month, training schedule.
The F-15EX is going to be significantly cheaper to own and operate (85 million and 25,000 dollars per flight hour). The Typhoon, well... We'll just have to see. It's on the back side of a four tranche order with 'two of everything' and thus you are not going to see it get much cheaper because economies of scale just aren't there.
Having said all of this, the truth is that the F-35 is going to be the one which has the natively low signature to do actual 'digital stealth' and the F-35 pilots online have even bragged about it, calling it 'the wormhole generator' as a means to justify bringing in JDAM droppers to less than 15km for release.
The problem is that this is not how IAMDS work. The ADGE is dispersed. The missile TELs increasingly are not even battery-site associated with an engagement radar but depend on 4-5 surveillance systems which blink and use cooperative engagement multistatic trackfile synthesis to fire missiles which have their own radar (9M96E2, 40N6) or IR seeker (9M100) that lock on after an inertial midcourse.
These systems are not going to be amenable to stealth because stealth is both aspect and band dependent on effectiveness. Certainly an F-35 is not going to be covering for any F-15EX _or_ Typhoon which tries to penetrate to JDAM/SDB distance and as soon as you go JASSM, the range of the XR (900km) is so great that you might as well skip the bus platform and just ground launch it.
85 million dollars buys 40 JASSM ground launch variants, 240 million dollars buys 120 such missiles.
If you have satellites. If you have VLO reconnaissance UAS, then wasting money on an offensive strike warfare capacity, given how bloody minded the Poles are, is escalatory in a crazed fashion when the other side is the world's top nuclear state.
If the Russians come West they only have three COGs: Novo Sibirsk, St. Petersburg and Moscow before they are a dysfunctional society. All of which can be reached from the Atlantic coast. Any Atlantic coast.
If the Russians let us take Ukraine, their primary west-based nuclear deterrent could be struck, inside 5 minutes, from any PrSM or LRHW TEL, stripping them of their nuclear option.
Their offensive was for defensive purposes.
The West helping Ukraine is for offensive purposes. Not least because, if the Russians leave, the Ukrainians will commit genocide on the Lughansk and Donetsk and Crimean Russian populations.
I do not trust the Europeans not to find an excuse to start another war. It is in their blood. They slit each other's throats for amounts of land we wouldn't call a county, let alone a country. And having been proven suckers before, why wouldn't we come charging in to bleed, a third time?
Give them a robust surface to air defense capability but a very limited (no multi-cruise missile carrying long range strike bombers, no stealth pathfinders to target those missiles onto mobile targets) and maybe, when Biden is gone from office, we find the strength to save our populations from the consequences to an economic as much as military defeat, in Ukraine.
If Europe goes down hard, economically, there will be no one to PAY FOR another Grand Alliance to face the next military threat, whomever it may come from.
My bets are on the millions of MENA now overrunning Europe and setting up a criminal insurgency threat of enormous proportions.
The Poles are relatively safe from that, because the Visegrad States knew better than to be colonized by the terror which is Islam. Sobieski Remembers.
But it sincerely looks like they are setting themselves up to run a one-state war against Russia and, as NATO members, that must never happen. Nor even be entertained as possible.
Starfighter (F-104) though Poland was behind the Iron curtain at the time, politics plays just as big of a role as the planes capabilities. Right now the bulk of the capable equipment has been the M777, Himars, Javaline and Starlink. This isn't to deny how good other systems are but in comparison between the CV90 and M3 Bradley Ukrainian crews seem to enjoy the Bradley over the CV.
You gotta go with the F-15EX because of the 30,000 pounds weight capability of armaments, very long range, variety of weapons including hypersonic missiles. It could work with stealthy drones and F-35s to target enemy aircraft and SAMs.
Makes sense with what they already have.
meteor?
@@carlosandleon They could strap meteors on them if needed i think, and also the aim 260 is upcoming.
typhoon and f15ex are not smart choices. if i were them i would say no to both deals and either work on increasing the buy of more f35, or go for one of the european 6th gen fighters. f15ex is a piece of boeing ass trash.
Nice range but super expensive. I don't see why Meteor could not be integrated with F-15EX in the future. @@carlosandleon
I think Poland wants to strengthen its partnership with the US.
The F-15 is the likely choice.
With the corrupt PiS Government gone, I assume Poland will rather reenvigorate its ties with EU.
With the corruption and autocratic tendencies gone, EU will pour 100s of Billions into Poland.
The US is strong and all, but it won't do that.
@@heinzkabofke6791 I think you fail to see how Poland sees itself in security matters; Poland trust the US to have its back, it doesn't trust the EU (Germany) to have the same commitment; especially with how Germany was hesitant towards Russia
It’s the only choice
they already bought F35A, Abrahms, HIMARS, Apache, etc. to US that's enough to strengthen its partnership
@@delfinenteddyson9865 In the end, Poland will pay it with EU-Money as biggest beneficiary of the EU. So they should at least make sure that their welfare money stays in the EU.
Seems like they have two pretty good fighters, both good options honestly.
Indeed. Poland is in a good position. Many allies, many friends, economic growth and better demographics than Germany.
@@SeeLasSee What allies? Do you mean western EU that can't wait until going back to business as usual with ruZZia so ru can rebuild their military faster? Or did you mean USA which WILL betray Poland just as they betray UA? USA does NOT want anyone to defeat ru, because USA is affraid of the consequences. So ru knows that they WILL get sth from ANY war, USA will make sure that the victim has NO possibilitty of winning.
Screw such 'allies'!!!
Hey, just a small comment on the Polish air force arsenal. Aside from the f16 and soon to come f35, Poland is also buying the korean FA-50, we are going to have around a dozen of them coming in the next few years. But overall you have made a great and entertaining video. Thanks.
I'm interested in seeing what Poland does with the FA-50. It might make Boeing put some teeth in the T-7 Redhawk. I love Polish programming .... well..... I love Kingdom Come : Deliverance
@@rapidsqualor5367 plane to transport potatoes, a cheap plane for everyday air policing, chasing down lost missiles or Iranian drones, not so much for combat but for supporting roles
The FA-50 will probably be used as combat capable trainers.
@@stupidburp Yup, it's a replacement for soon decommisioning Su-22 and MiG-29. Practically it's for air-policing missions and advanced jet training. Poland bought K-239 (instead of HIMARS) due to delivery times, costs, lack of offsets (even for ammunition) and potentially restrictions for use (what we're seen in last months in Ukraine.), so Poland doesn't bought for now only american sorties.
Having stealth covered with the F-35, the EX is the perfect weapons platform to support it.
Exactly!
the ex is well behind completion for the american airforce it would be decades before they will be exporting to other countries. all they would realistically get is f15e
dude, a lot of European countries already have the F-35 @@colinstevens6837
The EF too though. Their capabilities are very similar.
F-35 to take down enemey AA capability,
then F-15 as fighter bomber.
"It could be used as more than just a missile truck."
**proceeds to describe it being used as a missile truck**
The F-15EX Eagle II would integrate seamlessly with the F-35’s hive mind concept. It’s one reason why the USAF has decided to order the F-15EX. It’ll act as missile truck guided by F-35s & AWACS. While maintaining its legendary air superiority & close air support roles.
Typhoons do that already in the UK.
The USAF didn't "decide" to buy it, the USAF never wanted it. The Pentagon made them buy them when it was run by a former executive of Boeing (No corruption here!). As usual the public is propagandized and the military is forced to pay for welfare programs so executives holding stocks in defense companies get filthy rich.
@@davedevonlad7402All of the American aircraft are data linked this way. The F-15 II is another crony-capitalism project for the Pentagon stock holders.
F-15 never fought a decent opponent by which I mean an air superiority fighter of the same generation, so all these promo talks in documentaries about the awesomeness of F-15 are just hot air. The early F-15 variant was an utter joke compared to Tomcat which clearly showed when Eagle was unable to shoot down a Mig-25 interceptor/recon jet over Israel without first luring it into lower altitude, and this changed only with AMRAAM missiles available a lot later after Eagle introduction into service. Personally, I think that Gripen E with Meteor missiles would be a far better fit for Poland considering experiences in Ukraine where even Mig-29 were found quite formidable as long as they were not destroyed on airfields, which both Mig-29 and Gripen E can deal with by operating from improvised airfields for which most of the US jets outside things like F-18E/F Superhornet aren't build for well enough.
Just consider that Poland is a nation with a similar GDP to Sweden yet on an overspending spree as if planning to follow Greece's path to insolvency...
If Poland wants to do the right thing to complement the F-35, they can just buy the Gripen E and perhaps ask for a stronger variant of the licensed engine used in the Gripen E from the US, so they can keep cozy relations with the US government by making purchasing choices that allows them to be a customer for a long time instead of going bankrupt...
@@IonorRea The F-15 fought in the 91 Gulf War which everything from Fox Bats to MiG 29s. The F-15 has a more accomplished record than the F-14 and easily outlived it.
Both are very good. I would choose the Typo hokn fir one reason, the fact that Poland will have spares and back-up close at hand. They will also be able to contribute towards further development of the newer models in the future.
A french would probably say the Rafale beats them both and Poland should buy them. But when it comes to F-15EX vs. Typhoon i would say there is not one that is objectively better. They both have advantages that balance out their disadavantages i believe. But there is one thing, i dont think the US would export their brand new Aim-260 yet because the States have a habbit to keep their best stuff for themselfes. So the Polish F-15EX would be stuck with Aim-120D i assume, i dont think it can carry Meteor nor will it likely be adapted to use them. The Typhoon can carry Meteor and it would be part of a Typhoon deal. A Typhoon with Meteor would be one heck of a better asset in Air Superiority role over the F-15EX with Aim-120D.
The Polish F-16s have been adapted for Meteor missiles. I imagine it's a doable task for the F-15EX too. But, it is an extra step that could be avoided.
@@sunray501 Polish F-16 can not carry Meteor. They might have experimented at some point but no, its not setup and able to carry and fire Meteor. Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen are the only jets currently setup to use Meteor.
There was zero mention as to whether Poland would get the AESA radar with their typhoon. Kinda the biggest question regarding what their typhoon will come with. Moreover, maybe a mention of how a typhoon armed with Meteor has a longer stick for killing manoeuvring targets than anything else on the planet right now
I'd imagine any new Typhoons would come with modern AESA, look at the ones sold to middle Eastern countries and the newer variants recently purchased by European countries, they all have AESA's as far as I'm aware.
@@Cravendale98 don’t think any production typhoon is flying with one yet. They have tested them. But introducing them into typhoons I don’t think I’d a thing yet. There are 3 different sensors. The UK AESA being the most sophisticated. Those have not been put into trench 3 RAF typhoons yet. Also the Germans don’t have one in their typhoons either I don’t think
AIM-260 JATM launched from F-35. First hit first kill.
@@butterwaffeln not in production yet
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 already tested
The F-15 Eagle platform has been one of the most successful ever fielded. The F-15 Eagle II puts even that monster to shame. Longer range, better systems, greater capabilities. Merely HAVING them will cause any enemy to hesitate to commit/expose their air assets to that thing’s prowess.💯
However, if it’s my strategy, I’d pick the Typhoon. Here’s why:
1. The extra range on the EX is nice, but not really necessary.
2. Having an open source code is a HUGE advantage, operation-wise.
3. It can use a larger suite of weapons, which will aid both procurement and costs.
4. Given their other air attack assets, the Typhoon offers more upside for air superiority/defense.
5. While both are runway queens, I’d bet the Typhoon is a bit more rugged than F-15EX. Given Poland’s proximity to their biggest threat, this should be considered.🧐
Strictly my opinion, and the decision should be decided based on the strategy of defense, or attack. If they want to be more offensive, that means more American weapons. The F-15EX might be better for a more offensive approach.🤷🏾♂️
F-15 is american way of thinking; "what's bigger, it's better".
Two-engine figher in european evironment is pure nonsense.
@@podunkman2709, then why do European nations build so many?🙄
Two engines is more about redundancy, than anything else.🤷🏾♂️
you do know that almost every european fighter built in the last 75 years has 2 engines, right? in fact, its the americans who make the most single engine fighters.
😅😅 Fighters that have yet to see combat; Eurofighter.
Fighters with a 105 W to 0 L combat record; F-15E. Hmmm, let me think.... 😅😅😅
I worked on the computer systems for the conformal fuel tank modifications to the F-15E in the mid-eighties for 3 years as a consultant to McDonnell Douglas. The F-15E is a beast, twin-engined, huge range of 1,200nm thanks to the conformal fuel tanks, rapid climb rate 50,000 ft/min, 60,000 ft high ceiling, and a speed of Mach 2.5, which makes it the world's fastest fighter jet, air supremacy, all weather, 2 seater. No one has ever shot one down because our pilots are the best and the F-15 is a flying tank. The F-15EX is as tough as a fighter plane can get.
@@elessartelcontar9415, well… I wanted to be humble, but that IS a damning stat.😁
Again, I think the strategy should dictate the choice. Given the terrain of most of Poland, I’d go with a more offensive strategy. Mobility isn’t really a problem. There aren’t as many natural features to aid defense, anyway. Not like Ukraine. That means EAGLE IIs, baby!😜
The only issues to work out are logistical. That can change a weapon’s suitability, even for a mission it was designed to perform. The Typhoon removes THOSE issues (only) as it can fire a few weapons the Eagle II can’t…yet. However, the decision must be made now. The ubiquity of that plane in that region, logistics pressures are eased. In truth, both planes are popular. However, defense as the main strategy, wartime conventional wisdom holds that the more local a thing is made, the easier it is to find parts to repair said thing. This strategy invites attempts at attrition.🧐
Again, the strategy should be considered, before that choice can be well made.🤷🏾♂️
Access to all the Software,.. (no black boxes) is a huge advantage I think, also the EF2000 is a more modern design than the F-15, I wonder what Acceleration, Climbrate, Topspeed,.. a EF with the newer EJ270Engines with 120kN trust would have, also the new EW capabilities of the Tranch-5 Typhoons should be quite outstanding, think Poland should get a 'Tranch-6' EF with all that new engines and features.
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the typhoon is also proven in action in saudi arabia where it has carried out thousands of strike missions, the saudis like them so much they have ordered another 64!, it is easy to work on and very reliable!
The F-15EX is now the fastest documented combat aircraft currently flying, it also has high weapons load of any combat fighter in world from air to air to air to ground munitions and has a new helmet mounted HUD, next gen combat computer/data link, along with next gen AESA radar.
have we forgotten about the Russian Mig-25 and Mig-31 (Mach 3 capable but with a complete engine change) which are seen on satellite photos stationed in Crimea I believe.
Forget about speed since it’s not a mission critical requirement and with any external load you’re limited anyway.
MIG 25 and MIG 31 are Interceptors. They fly fast and high, that's it. They can't Dogfight and they are not set up for ground attack or carrying enormous payloads.
@@Grouse2275 sustained speed IS important when we are talking about BVR which the F-15EX most definitely will be fulfilling.
Having the launch aircraft have as high a speed and altitude as possible gives your missile that much more range and energy. It literally adds on to the missile's performance and thus capable of out ranging enemies. This is useful today and in to the future as BVR becomes the norm especially with the F-35 being the stealth sensor system while the EX being a missile truck from far away.
Latest EF variant also has a powerful ASEA radar. Instead of pointing out capabilities on one side you should maybe compare the. This is not a "how much do you like America" contest.
The F-15 EX and the F-35 systems interchange. Imagine the Eagle II’s powerful AESA radar honing in on an air defense system from a stand off range while the F-35s sweeps in with that info and stealth to destroy it. Then the F-15s come in with their remarkable bomb carrying capability to destroy whatever the air defense was protecting. That is an integrated system.
The Eurofighter would have it just the same, after half a year.
The smartest choice is always their own economy; Eurofighters best for that, and it has much better thrust/weight, a bit of stealth, way higher surface ceiling and is way more maneuverable. It would win in a heads-on BVR confrontation and in a Dogfight. The F-15 would be better for large bombing raids.
So question is: Air Superiority or Bombing ?
also possibel with the eurofighter, just needs certification from us and software update as with most nato standardized system + the companies do that also as a + point for selling them to get more buyers as the integration is easy same with israeli systems and many of korean,japanese, singapore systems
Track record Eurofighter VS F15 ???
link 16 is a nato data interoperability standard. more than just the americans can interact in that way.
I think overall, the F-15 is the better system for Poland because they already operate the F-16 so much of the infrastructure is already in place for the F-15 and the F-15EX is no slouch
Same engine as the F16. From a logistics and maintenance standpoint it makes the most sense.
@@thetrainshopanother comment already pointed out that the engines are not the same. Polish F16 are an older variant.
the F15-EX is well behind completion the murica AirForce, so it would be decades before they'll be exporting it to other countries. All they would realistically get is F15 Eagle.
@@jingorooroad2559 They'd more likely get the F-15SA.
They’re going to go with the EX. Their F-35s will get close and target, and the Eagle II will take that data and function as the missile truck for the -35.
It can also serve as a SUPERB A2G multi-role platform and stand-off munitions launcher.
Sounds like someone didn't watch the video all the way through as both these points were mentioned as being similarities between the two airframes. If your going to pick something as your argument for one aircraft over the other at least make it something that they differ in.
Cant that be integrated on the Typhoon?
The F-15 II is a crony-capitalism project. The majority of the public is too lazy to research any military procurement 😂
The 15 EX paired with the F 35 makes a lot of sense, however I'm a sucker for the typhoon. Brain says Eagle 2, heart says typhoon
COLD logic wins wars......
Yes. In case of US. Poland would not fight on ranges justifying use of F-15. Literally every expert in Poland say to buy more F-35.
Winning the fights should be your only consideration and if you remove other factors the choice is clear.
@@JasonMiller-rg8md1 What do you think, my friend?
I gotta go for the F-15EX, it's not only more compatible with the F-16s, F-35s, and AH-64s already bought by Poland, but it has a significantly longer service life....
Yep, 20000 flight hours for each airframe is insane
Both are good options, the eurofighter does have better air-to-air range with the meteor over an amraam, but the f-15EX can carry up to 20 missiles
the eurofighter has 13 weapon stations + 4 missile bays for meteor/AMRAAM so isn't that fare behind it
The typhoon is an excellent fighter but the F-15 EX Eagle 2 is loaded with far more advantages than you could even list in this video edition. Poland would get 20000 hours of max capability .
OK but the eurofighter has access to more advanced missiles
I struggle to see many where it beats the latest versions of the Typhoon being flogged conclusively. Happy to be proven wrong, but other than sheer number of hard points I don’t think it’s the superior platform.
It really is wild that the F-15EX has such a powerful radar, but doesn't have competitive BVR missiles to take full advantage of it (yet). @@guitar7279
@@rickwalker2 F-15 EX II can carry 22 missiles, while Typhoon can carry upto 8 missiles. The F-35 can tell F-15 EX II where the dangers are with it's stealth, radar and IRST capabilities and F-15 can just launch missiles towards that direction.
It's the other way around even the F15 ex lags behind the current version of the Typhoon in many areas. The upgrades in the pipeline for the Typhoon will give it additional capabilities the F15 ex can only dream of.
Id say, the Euro fighters are better Option for Poland while the F15 can do pretty much everything the Euro fighter can do and typically better at it. It can't do one very important thing. And that's take off from short runways or roads I guess that only matters if poland is still worried about Russia's Ballistic and cruise missile capability. And their ability to take out their planes before they can take off that's crucial to Poland's plan to combat Russian invasion I think having the ability to have your entire Air Force. Be able to take off from improvised runways. It's very important at least in Poland situation considering the fact that they border their enemies.
The coffee cup in runway length needed is negligible. Look it up
@@jordanmascarenhas7974 F fifteen e x usually requires eight thousand to ten thousand feet of runway to take off The Euro fighter Typhoon typically takes 2500 to 3000 feet are runaway to take off. That's a pretty sizable amount. In my opinion, obviously, this would vary depending on how much the aircraft is carrying. But considering the fact that everybody sees the F15EX as a missile and bomb truck. I don't see it taking off on short or improvised runways anytime soon.
The F15 can do everything the Typhoon can do but better? The Typhoon is a superior air to air platform in every way.
@joshafc41 with the limited amount of open source material that's out there for both the aircraft I think it's pretty easy to see that the F15 Has an edge over the Euro fighter in both air-to-air and air to ground. The F15 can fly higher, faster and farther than the Euro fighter Typhoon can. It has more Pylon's on the jet giving it the ability to carry more munitions per sortie It Can carry significantly more internal fuel. It has a significantly higher max, take off weight. Higher thrust to weight ratio. The Euro fighter is good at some things. It's just not better at them than it is the F15. It's more maneuverable and they can take off from improvised runways. That's all I can think of.
@@KalergiplansupporterIt's literally just a function of loading. Takeoff roll is proportional to weight^2. A clean light F-15A at (29000 lb) will lift off in 400 feet. The main reason the EF rated takeoff roll is shorter is mostly because it has a lower max payload.
Eagle II is the way to go. A highly refined version of an incredible plane.
a lot of bias going on in these posts, americans of course batting for f15
@@brianpreval5602 Well, I can't vote for the F-16XL now can I 😁
yes it is, i really like the f15 but i'm biased as well being a brit and having worked on typhoon! they are both great aircraft and the polish government are on a win win whichever they choose
The smartest choice is always their own economy; Eurofighters best for that, and it has much better thrust/weight, a bit of stealth, way higher surface ceiling and is way more maneuverable. It would win in a heads-on BVR confrontation and in a Dogfight. The F-15 would be better for large bombing raids.
So question is: Air Superiority or Bombing ?
@@lantinian The F15-EX is well behind completion for the murica AirForce, so it would be decades before they'll be exporting it to other countries. All they would realistically get is F15 Eagle.
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The F15 has proven itself to be the finest air superiority fighter ever produced. It has never lost in air to air combat. It is much faster, more robust and able to carry out more roles. The Euro fighter should be compared to the F16 and a closer rival.
There’s so much wrong with this post I can’t start , no disrespect please research the Typhoon and it’s capability 🥴
I agree, thanks for saving me from the rage typing ;)
In a dogfight the Typhoon just crushes F-15...no disrespect to the Eagle which is a fine aircraft.
The ECCM suite on the Eurofighter is scary voodoo stuff. One day we'll get to see it in Air-to-Air action, I hope :)@@raven-wf9so
@@GM-fh5jp the F-15 EX has a 5th Gen inspired ECM suite. It is more than capable of matching the Eurofighter. The F-15 is faster, less expensive, and has an airframe lifecycle more than 3 times longer than the Eurofighter. The simple reality is the Eurofighter has the cost of a 5th gen fighter without the performance and is therefore a poor choice in nearly every conceivable circumstance.
@@raven-wf9so Typhoon should be the greatest fighter ever. Sorry to have a opinion based on facts.
@@GM-fh5jp Typhoon is the greatest ever. Sorry to have an opinion.
As a Pole I would delfiny choose 32 more of F-35 to make a total of 64 Lightnings II way over proposed Eurofighter or F-15 presented in your video. We don't need 4'th type of a new platform in addition to FA-50, F-16 and F-35 we already posses. Probably neither Typhoon nor Eagle II wouldn't be faster here than the next two tactical wings of Lightnings II (the cheaper, more modern and with an infrastructure already build in Poland). Saved money should be spent on the weapons, spare parts, two more AWACS and some air tankers. Considering the number o Patriot batteries (64 brand new launchers packed with an IBCS and PAC-3 MSE already bought) we don't need AD fighters over our country, while the stealthy F-35's can carry attack missions deeply into the Russian territory.
Europe needs to buy major weapons systems, light weapons, and ammunition jointly to facilitate logistics in a war. Heavy weapons could include both Eurofighter Typhoon and F-15 EX.
I'm 50/50 on this, the latest upgrades on both aircrafts make the even more lethal. But i'm leaning towards the typhoon for Poland's situation
Love from Korea. KF-21 may be a good choice - we can arrange tech transfer as well as manufacturing in Poland :D But then again, I think Saab Gripen is a perfect fit for Poland.
I need to do a KF-21 video soon, greetings from Texas!
KF-21 is not in production as yet for SQN use
The Gripen is just a better F16. I think they are looking for a twin engine platform.
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If Tusk becomes new president, he could lean to Europe again and choose the Eurofighter. If the political renewal in Poland doesn't work out it will be the F-15EX.
Poland bought FA 50 and F 35 in the last few years. Air Force does not want to introduce another type in logistics and will stay with 3 types after the withdrawal of SU's and MIG's
well the FA-50PL covers the Training and low cost Air Patrol, F-35 covers NATO and first strike, the 36 F-16 and
12 F-16D are a stopgap, SU-22 small bomber and Mig-29 multirole fighters, all 3 are in the end going out.
32 F-15EX cover more then the Typhoon and in the long run having 32 F-15EX heavy bomber/fighter is good thing
as Poland feet will be 10 tactical squadrons 2 F-35, 3 FA-50, 2 F-15EX and 3 F-16 that will replaced with 3 KF-21PL
@@1BigBen Bielik and Orlik are covering training. FA 50PL will be light multi roll fighter with AESA radar. For F16 modernization is planned and its not a stopgap .If Poland buys more equipment, it will probably be another 16 F35s. And don't forget that 700 MLRSs are something for Poland that should perform tactically similarly to the A10 or SU 25
@@julianizydorczak5258 Bielik didn't go anywhere and Orlik is getting old,
the FA-50 is the standard trainer for must modern fighter and reason behind 16 of them will be used as trainers for the F35, now PZL Mielec F-16PLV is still a big a question mark and unlike, but current Polish F-16 are Block 52 aircraft 2006-9 and could be upgraded with some part from PZL Mielec,
KF-21PL would offered more than F-16PLV for the future for Poland.
there are really just 3 tank killing CAS jets in the world
SU 17/22/24 etc old and kept in the air with used parts only, it is EOL
Panavia Tornado is being retired in 2024/25 ether going to Ukraine or be scraped
A-10 staying in service, but will not be sold
that is why Poland is buying 96 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters
even with Rheinmetall F-35 production 32 +16 or +32 will take to much time
even with PZL Mielec more F-16 will also take to much time
Boeing says 3 to 4 years to delivered all 32 F-15EX
there are 48 used Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 1 coming to the used market
it would be fasted way to get 2 new squadrons in training and to the air
new Eurofighter Typhoon could take 4 to 10 year to delivered all 32 jet
2026 Poland could sign a deal for KF-21 with jet start coming between 2027-30
its not a easy choose
today feet 36 F-16c, 23 Mig-29 and iffy 32 SU-22
Poland should buy equal amounts of the F15EX and the Eurofighter Typhoon. The two are as more complementary than redundant.
The F-15 has the radar cross section of a barn.
The Eurofighter is a great air tonair and air to ground platform. The F-15X is basically a truck. It can complement other platforms such as the F-35, but I doubt its survivability in a modern conflict. The Eurofighter can survive much better in modern air war, with towed decoys and a good array of electronic countermeasures. Plus, it has been designed for the scenario, the polish wants to use it: air dominance against russian aircraft.
Sir, that radar cross-section statement is an insult to barns everywhere!
"There's been a huge time gap in delivery acquisition of the F-15ex , From what I read the US is a year behind schedule in acquiring between 1-4 fighters.
They're up to six now I think.
If they want a point interceptor that can be used off highways and small fields dispersed the the Eurofighter is the choice, if they want air superiority and are not worried about their airfields id say the F15EX
The EF is clearly the one for AIR Superiority. Not the Eagle?
@@Schupfnudel111maybe for dogfighting. The radar, speed, and payload capacity on the eagle make it the logical choice. That and the absurdly long airframe lifespan.
@@alexalbrecht5768The Typhoons Radar 2, BVR, ECM and electronic attack capabilities are all superior to what the F15 has to offer. Not to mention sustained supersonic performance.
@@joshafc41 The AN/APG-82(V) 1 uses proven components and is designed to make maintenance a non issue. What real advantage can the Captor E offer? The new fully digital EPAWSS system offers comprehensive ECM capabilities to allow the F-15 to dominate the skies. The marginal super cruise of the Eurofighter is still inferior to the ability of the F-15 to reach its target faster when the need arises. Time is of the essence when it comes to intercepting and destroying enemy aircraft. And as I mentioned before the airframe lifespan difference is immense. The F-15 is designed for a service life of 20,000 hours. That is more than 3 times the 6,000 hours of the Eurofighter. Why should Poland waste their money on a maintenance intensive fighter that will be out of service after a fraction of the operating time?
Ha! The mythical performance of the F-15! The Mach 2.5 speed it’s probably ever reached a handful of times with no payload! And how long can it sustain that speed? 5 minutes? There’s no way it covers long distances faster without supercruise.
And that second magical number: the 20,000h airframe! That just says the airframe should survive a prolonged use. It doesn’t tell you how much it costs for all the rest to be in flying condition. Apparently the official number is $29,000 an hour. But until it is actually used, it’s just a guess. And who knows if it’ll be easy to upgrade. The airframe life on his own doesn’t mean that much…
The F-15EX is a great compliment to the F-35. The F-35 can run QB, using the F-15EX as a missile truck. Now the F-35 is leveraged to its maximum.
@dne9394; Sir, that's what the F-35s were made for, to QB while using other assets to complete an extremely effective "kill chain". That been said, the F-35s are in the block 4 improvement meaning that like any new Weapons Platform it'll continue to get better and more effective as time passes by.
Take care Sir.
The F-15 is the logical choice and the available payload/ordnance make it the smarter choice. I’m a big fan of the Typhoon, but the decision isn’t a tough one when you’re thinking about tomorrow’s war and fighting along side the F-35. I really like this video, Tog…it’s fantastic. I see you’re very close to 100K, congratulations! 🥳
@@M3rl1n177 Finland doesnt have F-15s. The backbone of the Finnish Air Force is F/A-18 Hornet.
Meteor and Scalp are probably at least as useful as their american counterparts...
Nobody has mentioned cost. Both the Eagle II and the Typhoon sound superb, but if one is significantly less expensive than the other to buy and maintain, then maybe that would be the deciding factor. Poland could buy more of the less expensive option, and in general more is better. That's one reason the F-16 has been so successful.
Speaking of the F-15EX… did you notice that EX3, or F-15EX 20-0003 (or 20-003, not sure which), actually doesn’t have CFTs? it is also the first one to be built in final operational configuration, so that is probably a big part of it.. it flew its first flight I think…. last week? There are, I think, 6 EXs scheduled to be delivered between the last quarter of FY2023 and the first quarter of FY2024, 4 of them are joining EX1 and EX2 here at Eglin, probably joining the 40 FLTS, 85 TES, 422 TES, or the 59 TES, I know EX1 is assigned to the 40th FLTS, while I’m not sure where EX2 is assigned. The other 2 EXs to be delivered will go to Kingsley Field for the Oregon ANG.
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I know the F15EX will be stationed in Klamath Falls Oregon at Kingsley Field. All F15EX pilots will receive their flight training there.
Poland is already set to operates 3 different jets: F16 x 48 units, T-50 x 48, F-35A x 32 So that's a total of 128 aircraft ordered so far. It seems crazy expensive and logistically more complicated to stretch to a fourth type; ordering more F35 airframes would seem more sensible, perhaps 16 more units.
I vote for the F-15 because of its payload capacity. Poland already has F-35s for air superiority, 4th get fighter will mostly be used in ground strike missions.
F35 is not an air superiority fighter though, That's the issue, neither is the f15ex. The eurofighter is designed for Primarly A2A, think Poland needs that more. Find my post here, I go into detail.
F35 is made for air superiority, along with other missions. If not, it could not, and would not, be sold to «one fighter»-air forces.
@@tbo2307 F-35 is a multirole attack aircraft, it is not an air superiority fighter. It was originally designed to complement the F-22, which IS an air superiority fighter(sadly, a limited production run means that the Raptor's fate is already sealed).
One-fighter air forces go for the multirole aircraft since it does a lot of jobs reasonably well even if it doesn't excel at any of them.
I would have to go with F-15EX, the amount of weapons that they can carry is mind-boggling along with its long range and when you pair it with a F 35 it’s crazy to think about, plus moving forward and future events it’s a smarter choice. But the typhoon is a sexy platform.😉
Maybe F-15 EX eagle 2 are choosing by Poland 🇵🇱 because it's carrying hypersonic missiles and longer range capabilities rather than Poland desirdesirable to more airforces cooperation with USA 🇺🇸 in future...thank you respectful ( pilot photog) channel for sharing
I’m not sure how they can carry hypersonic missiles since the U.S. don’t have any!?!?
They surely will be able to… some time in the future! But so will the Typhoon if it’s still around and most other planes!
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After the 100 Billion euros Europe gave Poland they better buy European
You have to take into account the change in majority that just occurred. The previous government went into a rampage buying frenzy that is menacing the financial capacity of the country, for political reasons, and was anti-EU. The new majority is pro-EU and will have to restaure a reasonable budget, they will probably wish to renegociate some deals and take their time for their new orders. Poland cannot afford a mix of air superiority and air-to -ground planes, they need a multirole fighter. That suggests that the Eurofighter may be a better choice, but Poland will also hesitate to buy from Germany. I think no large order will be passed before many years, and that could actually be between F35 and Rafale rather than between F15 and Eurofighters.
Typhoon can be purchased from Italy or UK or Spain or Germany. Poles will decide which will be tge lead contractor and look for local participation offset plus participation in long term development eg Tempest.
True but the share of German-made components in the planes will remain as is (that's part of the agreement between partners) so that means Germany will have a say in Poland's Typhoons (as for example it is blocking Typhoons' sales to Saudi Arabia, although it would never block sales to a EU country of course), so politics may remain an issue, even if the new government is far more tolerant to Germany than the previous one. Under the current Eurofighter's consortium agreement, there is very little they could offer to Poland as counterparts, future Eurofighter's development currently is blocked unless Germany actually buys new planes, and that's not sure at all@@michaelmazowiecki9195
@@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh replacement Typhoon orders are being placed as the oldest ones end their service. I suspect further upgrades will take place as Tempest 5/6gen development costs become prohibitive. As for Germany's role German manufacturing is looking for firm orders. We are getting rid of the lunatic populist government of the past 8 years here in Poland and fully committing to both EU and Nato. Buying European makes both economic and political sense. The question is Typhoon or Rafale or Gripen.
If choosing one of them gives Poland an inside track to get a gen 6 aircraft, then they will choose that one.
That is a factor that seems a valuable insight. If the typhoon can help lead Poland into getting into getting into one of the joint 6 gen programs, then that would be helpful for their defense in the long term.
@@mill2712 Yep. The US did not export the F-22, so I don't think the US will let the NGAD fighter to be sold to Poland.
Personally as Polish-American I would prefer F15EX over EF2000 and Poland should choose the better option for them. I hope Boeing does it right and I offers Poland with F15EX the KC46a and Ch47. Poland is already working on acquiring 96 AH64Es. Hope US gives Poles a deal they can’t resist
If I'm not being bias here I'd give the edge to the EF, with its proven meteor missile, tight turn radius, and better agility. Pilots that have flown it seem to act as if there is nothing comparable to it and wouldn't choose another airframe over it.
I absolutely love the F-15. It's perhaps my most favorite fighter jet of all time, only second to the legendary F-14, but really its a design that was conceptualized less than a decade after wwll; see NA-237 fighter bomber concept that lead to the A-5 Vigilante (historical blueprint for the mig25). And in the end, that's just it. The EF is a more modern airframe that was designed with updated wvr tactics in mind. That said, and as beloved as the F-15 is, it shouldn't still be in service anymore and shouldve been permanently replaced by the F-22 thirty years ago. Add to that, rumor has it that the AF doesn't really want them but has no other option. I mean imagine still flying P-51 Mustangs over half a century after they first entered service. Will hate to see it go, but my gut tells me that this is more military industry milking a program for all its worth while projecting theoretical hype over what should be a real "game changer" i.e. new F-22's or its replacement.
The AIM-260 is the AMRAAM replacement and combines a very long range with hypersonic capability and multi-sensor seeker.
For the best performance I'd go with the Typhoon, but the F-15EX is no slouch either and probably makes more sense since they have already got a bunch of American gear, and commonality with F-16's engines.
No European air force currently operates the F-15. With Eurofighter the clue is in the name. If Poland is looking at air superiority as its priority, then as it is so close to Russian bases, the Typhoon's rate of climb will be important as will it's helmet mounted cueing system for dog fighting. However, I suspect that as as happened in the past in Europe, the US will find a way to put some pressure on Poland to buy the F-15 (which would still be an excellent choice).
Suspect former Eastern European countries won't be as susceptible to US 'persuasion' . They remember living under communist rule before and will want planes quickly. For all the arguing going on, the US have only built 6 F15EX airplanes so far and Poland need to rearm now. I hope the UK just give Poland the tranch 1 Eurofighters with Meteors which they can give to Ukraine. Ukrainian pilots have been training with the RAF which could now make sense. Poland can buy the newer models with source code and upgrade them as they see fit. May also be an opportunity to join the UK, Italy and Japan on the Tempest program.
Typhoon would be my bet, in its most modern configuration its an excellent platform, especially with weapons like Meteor. Also Poland has a deepening relationship with thr UK which might play a part, they also might not want to put all their eggs in one basket with the Americans.
I’m a fan of the F-15, but buying new in 2024 seems nuts.
I think it comes down to cost. Unfortunately, the F-15 EX costs more, even though it offers greater capability.
Between these 2 obviously F15EX.
Comes with the latest tech, not so sure about the Typhoon.
The typhoon doesnt even have an aesa radar yet.
@@bigmike9128 well that settles it. IRST it seems is the only thing the Typhoon has over the EX and even then, the EX can be equipped with an IRST pod
@@bigmike9128 The latest typhoon variants have the most advanced AESA radars
@@tonikaihola5408compare RCS between the 2.
@@ghostviggen Poland already has F35 and F16 so I don’t think that’s the main consideration
F-15 is a 1970s aircraft. Typhoon is twenty years newer. However the F-15EX can launch heavy weapons up to 7000lb & 22ft long. Does Poland want such heavy weapons? If so, the F-15EX is the way to go. If Poland does not need weapons heavier than 2000lb then the latest tranche 4 Typhoon makes more sense.
F-15EX for sure baby, not even close imo
Eurofighter typhoon is not heavy weight category. Its medium omnirole platform compared with Raphael, gripenE, F16 block70, mig35 etc.
As an American I like the F15ex..but if I was Poland...the Typhon is a fine airplane and has as they said already operates with other Ameircan Aircraft without a problem..but..if I am Poland i am going to pick the Typhone becasue it clicks all the boxes and as they said..gives them a foot hold in advanced aircraft production..it's the smart move
The EX Eagle 2 is simply the proven platform and not only that, a high performance heavy multi role over any other 4.5 Gen aircraft.
Just more efficiency, more payload, more overall reliability in operations than any other competitor 4.5 Gen. You know it works and it is made even better with the latest upgrades
The typhoon is awesome but I think Poland and their requirements would be better suited going for the eagle.
They have stealth covered, they got the agile fighter covered with the vipers I’d go f15 but either would work great
The Eagle gives Poland the option of deeper strike and SEAD capabilities than the Eurofighter. Also, the US is more likely to be able to kick these bad boys out of the plant if/when war breaks out. Europe's supply chains are just too delicate.
There is a huge amount of institutional knowledge behind the Eagle. Poland can also readily find retired AF personnel to train their people. Typhoon is a sexy beast indeed, but it is 100 victories to no losses like Eagle.
Both old 4.5 gen
@@LeonAusteven the J-20 is 12 years old, the Su-57 is 13, and the F-35 is 17. The original design/first flight of a modern version of a 4.5/4++ is of little relative relevance compared to the relevance of the modernization of avionics and hardware
its not even a competition, especialy geopoliticaly how good relations PL & US are ...
And btw, after I red some stuff, how F-35 + F-15 EX should cooperate together, its not even a question anymore.
Would go with the F15, main reson is other Countries will have the euro fighter. More flexibility in a time of war between friends. Plus the F15 is solid.
Poland needs to keep ability of taking off from short runways or roads. The F15 doesn't come with that capability. They need the Euro fighter. I 100% agree that the F15 is, the more capable. Yet it just lacks in a very crucial area.
@@Kalergiplansupporter in a time of war the euro fighters would all be there anyway. Flexibility is key now days.
@@Jason_g_kennedy I didn't really think of that.
I thought that the Polish government would slowly retire to the Europe. Fighter tiphone and the mig 29 to replace them with a better American aircraft if they were to buy the F15.
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If it comes with the new AESA radar, and the other upgrades coming with the latest ordered versions, then the EF2000 is the more capable platform, esp. for interceptor role as there's no fighter out there atm which can match the acceleration and climb rate of the EF.
You failed there. Both the top speed and the climb rate of the F-15 are superior to the Eurofighter. The climb rate of the F-15 is 342 Meters per second. The Climb rate of the Eorofighter is 315 Meters per second. You kinda failed there.
@@wadopotato33 You do realize those figures are for completely different loading configurations, right? The F-15 figure is for a light and completely slick F-15C, not a fat combat loaded F-15EX. Meanwhile the EF figure is for a interceptor loaded configuration (which includes 6 msl + centerline drop tank) So please, come again...
So correct me if I'm wrong this is a plane advert directed to youtube window shoppers devoid of any news story to attach to. Why just mention 2 planes then. Do pick and choose more if youre pulling them out of the hat anyways.
Poland is making 2 new squadron and Boeing has offered the F-15EX and the Eurofighter Typhoon availability is higher, KF-21 is still few years away and F-16 availability is slow due to F-16V and upgraded kits same as F-15EX
SAAB doesn't have the production capability, Poland is already buying 48 FA50 and F/A-18 super Hornet production
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The USAF is the primary operator of the Eagle Ii and has deep pockets to fund. any new tech needrd to keep the jet updated.
Thr Typhoon is funded by Consortium and by countries with small defense budgets. New tech will takeu h longer to incorporate, if at all. For example, how long did it take for the EF to get an AESA radar vs the Anerican jet?
That's true but the current funded upgrades in the pipeline for the Typhoon are more advanced than either F35 or F15.
I think its so outrageously understated that ultimately Poland will be fighting a defensive mission, effectively holding off Russian attempts to gain air superiority as part of an invasion. In the event of a Russian invasion, whilst there will be a huge requirement to nullify russian radar and launching capabilities, the primary mission is to stop russian aircraft penetrating NATO airspace. Working under the assumption of functioning air defence systems, Poland would need to hold Russia off in time for NATO reinforcements.
I look at it this way, with F35 platforms being able to provide unparalleled situational awareness with deep penetrative stealth capabilities, whatever aircraft is selected needs 2 things, the ability to integrate with the F35 and the ability to hold a large number of missiles to target identified targets. Both aircraft mentioned can do this however personally (Admittedly as a Brit) the Eurofighter has the edge here for the following reasons
1. Whilst the F15 is a fabulous platform, its older and designed as a proper multi role aircraft, designed to do everything very well such as keeping similar manoeuvrability to russian aircraft, great air to air/ground capabilities and great sensors and carrying capacity but the Eurofighter is designed from the outset to not only match but supremely surpass russian aircraft in sensors, air to air combat and manoeuvrability, which it does. The RAF exercises show the Eurofighter, obviously discounting stealth characteristics, can match manoeuvrability and even exceed the F22 when piloted correctly and will exceed the dogfighting capabilities of the heavier F15. Its also a more survivable platform, having being designed with a low RCS in mind (not stealth), where the F15 undoubtedly will be detected earlier (being seen and then subsequently identifed), alongside its "electronic stealth" as mentioned
2. The range of missiles available to the Eurofighter, whilst not having the carrying capacity of the F15 (but still having a massive one at that compared to anything Russia will be using), is unparalleled, with Meteor missiles undoubtedly being the king of long range air to air missiles worldwide with sustained burn through all phases of flight, the highest no escape zone of any missile in the world and exceptional range. The superiority over the AMRAAM is so clear that the US is now developing a brand new missile themselves to match these capabilities. Also for those that say the Meteor could be adapted for the F15, of course it could be but why would the US do this for a country when its developing its own comparative missile that it would probably love to sell to Poland (Politics cannot be understated here and the US is still yet to successfully intergrate this to the F35, which is hard with the internal bay and is still yet to even attempt this with the F16, the process could take years!)
3. The access to the F35 integration of the Eurofighter is not only seemless but tested by many air forces across Europe with not only their own aircraft but eachothers aircraft. Using the large numbers of Typhoons and F35s in europe already, as part of a combined european defence, there literally is no better aircraft available to intergrate into this network than the Eurofighter
4. The F15EX, whilst being an unbelievable aircraft, is a "newer" platform (in reality its not its a older design with the latest and greatest) is not battle tested to anywhere near the same extent as the Eurofighter (Before everyone loses their minds, yes the F15 is far more battle tested then the Eurofighter in general, but every active variant of the Eurofighter is extensively tested, whilst the EX itself has 0 battlefield testing)
5. Logistics - The entire Eurofighter production line and supply chain is on the doorstep and is far far more easily accessible
6. Most important in my honest opinion, is the 6th generation projects this opens the door for. The British tempest fighter (or whatever its called now since new countries have joined it 😂) is the future of European Nato defence and would be the cutting edge in any future conflict. Whatever the US develops will be great for sure, whilst also the chances of a F22 style export ban are high, the US also has differing mission requirements to many European air forces. The potential for this fighter to not only be an exceptional platform but to even potentially to be the most capable platform on the planet cannot be understated, with research being conducted by many of the largest defence contractors around the world, with much of the tech being tested on the Eurofighter, not only does this give Poland the chance to gain access to what will undoubtedly be an unbelievable platform (which is absolutely no guarantee at all with the US), it also gives them a chance to be able to intergrate their own domestic industry into that process, with the current proposals being to effectively allow the finished product to be built by the countries own companies using the jointly established designs.
Let me be extremely clear here - The F15EX is the newest iteration, has the highest carrying capacity, has likely the same Radar range/track capabilities as the latest AESA Eurofighters, is faster (the Eurofighter is still a Mach 2 aircraft but the F15 is bloody fast!) and has undoubtedly better strike capabilities due to that being more of an after thought with the Eurofighter, although the Eurofighter still does this exceptionally well. The F16 is the perfect fighter for any potential Polish strike missions and they already have these in stock for that mission. The F15EX is an unbelievable platform and undoubtedly exceeds the Eurofighter in areas and i really want to emphasis this to negate an accusations of biases here but ultimately everything must be contextualised to the specific nuances of each country, what they need and what the military and geopolitical requirements are. For me the Eurofighter beats it out but lets also not forget that we're not all defence experts in the comments and the Polish procurement guys probably dont use internet articles and Wikipedia when making these decisions
I suppose the best pick depends on what capabilities Poland is going for but I’m leaning on them picking the F-15 regardless.
We Gotta know the fact that F-15 is operated by many U.S major allies like South Korea, Japan, Israel and Singapore. Recently, Indonesia has selected F-15EX for the next gen fighter jet and Israel has also selected F-15IA to replace their old F-15s. Interestingly, South Korean Air Force operates their F-15K along with German made Taurus KEPD 350 cruise missile. When it comes to the weapon selection range I think there is no fighter jet like F-15 which can operate various weapons.
I hope Poland will choose the EF Typhoon, it would strengthen the European relationships much more
Next to the factories being really close by and possibly getting to manufacture some parts
But Poland is not very trusting of the French and Germans, Spaniards and italians, and I can see why. In fact, Germany was instrumental in the Ukraine war happening in the first place since the Germans kept buying Russian gas right up to the point where they simply could not anymore. I know France is not in the EF program, but placing an order on the EF is still to cast your lot with Europe, especially the Germans, and casting ones lot with Europe means having to rely on the French to a higher degree than if you just consistently cast your lot with the US. As it stands, IMO only a fool would trust the Germans and the French in a cold or hot war with Russia, so stick with the US and the UK.
Far as I can tell, Poland has always adviced caution that just wasn't heeded. Fact of the matter is, If Poland or the Baltics ever end up in a cold or hot war with Russia, they will simply look to the US for aid, and not Europe. So politically, the F15 EX makes infinitely more sense while technically, the EF is probably as good if not slightly more modern even. But F15 EX is what makes the most sense regardless. The One Political selling point for the EF might be the UKs heavy involvement with it, and why are also an OKish ally to have, but nothing that compares to the US at the end of the day.
Especially as regardless they'll be paying for it with EU money
While we are talking about either option A or option B, how about option C. Our military currently fields a large gun with two wings attached to it and a jet engine on either side of the rudder. Perhaps Poland would like to purchase a dozen of those. The cockpit is even protected by a titanium bathtub.
It's slow.
@@dcolb121 It is also extremely succesfull.
If they already have or will have a stealth jet, then going for the F 15ex will be the better option...it has much more flight hours (20,000) the Eurofighters (8000) projected.... Also more payload, fuel Carrying capacity as well.... It can also carry oversized bombs and is even projected to operate hypersonic Weaponry.... The Eurofighter is also an incredible jet, but F 15ex/ F 35 combo will be way way deadlier.... If used wisely.....
“Projected to operate hypersonic weapons”!?!? Everyone is. Until it happens, it doesn’t cost anything to make these kind of promises!
And the 20,000h mean the airframe is going to last, but it doesn’t tell you how costly the maintenance of everything inside it will be!
Why will two strike fighters, EX and F35 be a more deadly A2A threat than a strike fighter and Air Superiority fighter, F35 and Typhoon.
The Typhoon owns this role.
Who said the ex is just a strike aircraft...its just derived from the F-15E platform.... The EX is desingned to be a missile truck and can carry upto 21 A2A missiles, by using its new quadrupple launchers ..... while the Eurofighter can carry upto 8 A2A missiles.... Also the EX will have more loiter time and much more range than the Eurofighter.
Note: I didn't mean the Eurofighter is a bad jet or is in any way inferior to the EX... the F35 and Eurofighter combo is great too...but the EX/F 35 combo crosses out each others vulnerabilities perfectly.
this is also strictly my opinion by the way.@@MultiVeeta
@@dreamhunter2973 no it doesn't you're just highlighting how little you know of air combat. Carrying 20+ missiles makes an aircraft extremely heavy, slower and not agile, works fine if all your doing is shooting a wave of bombers but this is suicide against Russian fighters.
@@MultiVeeta Nope. It's called BVR warfare.... You don't need to get into rapid turns and dogfights....the F 35 can go and spot out enemy fighters...while the F 15 can snipe them down....and the 21 load out is the maximum possible combination. It's likely to be between 12-15..... And still, the Eagle is no slouch with that kind of loading..... Also the Kind of airel warfare you are talking about has been long dead since stealth jets came out.
No doubt the F-15 EX is a fantastic fighter aircraft.
But the technology transfer/source code from Euro fighter is undeniable much better offer. So I will go with the Typhoon Euro Fighter.❤
The cost for the F-15EX Eagle II is approximately $90 million to $ 97 million for each aircraft depending upon production lot, about $7.5 to 14 million more than the newest price for an F-35A.
If Poland is already getting F-35s that cost less, what does the F-15 bring to the mission that justifies the cost ‽ By the way, that is a rhetorical question.
Are you serious with that question? It bring the ONLY platform capable of carrying hypersonic missiles, up to 22 air-air missiles, plus greater range than the competition and a greater climb rate, dive rate and top speed, lower cost of acquisition and maintenance. It’s not even close. F-15X Eagle II for the win
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I guess you didn’t read the last sentence. I am not disagreeing with you, but the actual answer is relatively complex and the two aircraft are not interchangeable. My take on it is the actual reason is due to some issues with the F-35, the most important one being that for the US military is that the F-15 production slots are available a lot earlier than F-35. There are a number of other issues, but it is not a simplistic this or that is obviously better.
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The F15 is definitely the superior plane and with its incredible load out and high top speed makes it a no brainer.
top speed hasn't been important for 50 years
Although the Eagle has a high 'dash' speed when clean. It can't 'supercruise' with a full warload, whereas the Typhoon can at around mach 1.5. The Typhoon can also almost anything in the US arsenal aswell as everything Europe has to offer.
I worked on the F-15E as a consultant to McDonnell Douglas. It's a beast! 104 Ws to ZERO Ls! No other aircraft comes close to that record. The F-15EX (we only have 6 of them) is far superior to the Eurofighter Typhoon.
F-15EX specs
Maximum speed: 1,650 mph, 2,656 km/h / Mach 2.5+
Combat range: 791 mi, 1,272 km
Ferry range: 2,400 mi, 3,900 km with conformal fuel tanks and three external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 60,000 ft (18,000 m)
g limits: +9
Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (250 m/s) +
Typhoon Eurofighter specs
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 much slower than the Mach 2.5+ of the F-15EX
Maximum altitude: 55,000 ft which is 5,000 feet lower than the F-15EX
Range: 2,900 km (1,800 mi, 1,600 nmi) better fuel economy due to much less powerful engines
Rate of climb: 315 m/s (62,000 ft/min)
thats a good dilemma to be in
One item that is not discussed in the comparison is crew manning. In an extreme, fast-paced, hostile environment, the extra crewman of the F-15 can provide a level of information assimilation which can help to minimize information overload and assist in situational awareness. Yes, I know that today's technology can help to mitigate information overload through the help of digital display helmets, and sensor fusion. Nevertheless, having that extra being to see the situation, to assimilate the information and 'cover their six' can be a very decisive factor in the fast-paced air threat and combat environment. Yes, there is the additional cost of manpower, training and additional aircraft weight, but I believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
Is there a reason they won't just get more f35's? Seems like a step backwards, they can always run the f35 in a non stealth config if they need more magazine depth, but having the option would be best.
As great as the 35 is, there are some roles a 4th gen is better suited to do such as missile truck missions and more lower priority missions.
Many F-35 customers won't have it as the only plane in their air forces and 4th gens probably have less restrictions as well.
@@mill2712 the eagle 2 is more expensive than the f35 isn't it? Yes it carries like 30k lbs payload, but the f35 in a not stealth config is at 22k. An all missile payload is much less, and Poland doesn't exactly need the extended range beyond theoretically striking Moscow, 1300km, from Warsaw. F35 combat radius is like 1100km on only internal fuel isn't it? I just don't get it
11:52 An important factor lots of people seem to ignore. When you buy armament from a certain country it often times happens that extra parts and new equipment only is permitted to be sent to you when you are in general alignment with the foreign policies of that country. Such shortages happened to some Euro countries who had different stances on the Ukraine war and Poland is notorious for doing its own thing often times making it an outcast in Europe.
that's why the eurofighter is the logical choice,... there are excemptions of this for within the EU
You have to consider the fact that the US is an increasingly unreliable partner for Europe as a whole depending upon who is in power. Once upon a time the geo-politics of a close relationship with the US was straightforward but not anymore.
It's true there are an increasing number of politicians who take Putin's position on all issues, incredibly, even anti-American positions. But even at the very, very lowest common denominator of alliance, most American politicians see allied territories as a useful buffer zone if nothing else. [edit] And I have to add that in my experience most Americans are fine people who do love foreigners.
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For air policing Poland's eastern borders the Eurofighter Typhoon is the better choice. First of all it only needs 300ft to takeoff vs 900ft for the F15EX. Same picture for landing with 700ft for the Typhoon and 3600ft for the F15EX. Furthermore the Typhoon has a much better climb-rate with 62600ft/m vs 50.000ft/m for the F15. The Typhoons are just as interoperable with the F35´s as The F15 , so no difference there. The fuel economy is much better for Typhoons. The Eurofighter is slightly more expensive per unit at 117m$ vs 94m$ for the F15EX with the EPAWSS. Both are excellent fighters, but for the purpose of establishing air superiority in combination with a F35 backbone, I believe the Eurofighter is a mature but still more modern platform that would integrate better with the Polish requirements and logistics.
They should have a fly off and divide it up into
1 landing on Polish and German roads.
2 land attack munitions
3. Air to air interdiction.
4. Maintenence turn around. Both local and remote.
The new fighter chosen by Poland must offer what the existing F-16 and F-35 cannot offer. The F-15 EX seem to be the better option.
I would have to say the F-15EX would serv a dual role function. First, as an 4.5 gen air superiority fighter and second, as an intermediate range bomber. With the ability to carry a wide arrangement of bombs and missile armament. Giving Poland a strategic advantage that few countries in Europe currently have.
Even though F-15 is my favourite, I think EF would be better choice for Poland because of its missile. MBDA Meteor is far more superior then anything that Russia has on their jets.
But if they can integrate Meteor with F-15 it would be the best pick
They will most probably get the new AIM-260 for both the F-35 and F-15. Though it shouldn't be a problem to integrate most NATO weapons if need be.
I don't think either aircraft offers any qualitative advantages over the other that are significant enough to make a huge difference to the decision, both offer broadly speaking the same capabilities. It'll all come down to politics and depends on whether they want to bolster ties with the EU and the UK or the US more.