Josh my wife and have been watching your videos for about a month straight now and we love you! We dont have an RV but we be in the market for one in a year and half . We will definitely be buying one from you! Thank you for all of the info you put out and we look forward to meeting you!
Great conversation....OSB has such strong shear strength that it can be used to boast foundations in homes here in California for earthquake strengthening.
My 2004 jayco Talon ZX has osb chipboard. Wouldn’t have even known if we hadn’t upgraded the vinyl. Pulled up the old vinyl and the osb looked as new as the day it was manufactured. I think the key is active maintenance. Keep up on maintenance and it’s not an issue.
OSB is considered a lessor material because it is made from scrap chips, but in reality, with the proper resins and pressure, it is much stronger than 5 ply plywood of the same thickness. Where it is weaker is when used vertically for load bearing, when in thin strips. A strip the same width of plywood will have better shear ability. However, when used for I-Joists, OSB wins the day. A sheet of 3/8-1/2" vertical, about 8-10" wide capped with 2" x 1 1/2" or 2" OSB that is grooved to fit the vertical sheet and glued on top and bottom is stronger than even a 2 x 12 SYP, and can span 20-30', which a 2 x 12 can maybe do 20', but would also need bracing. It is one of the best building materials made, when properly applied. It can work loose if the wrong nails are used to secure it to studs, but it can also span 24" joist when glued and properly nailed, where regular plywood cannot. The one other caveat of OSB is the outgassing of the resin. Some can have a very strong smell for a very long time. Other than that, not a thing wrong with using OSB. Where regular plywood is better used are places where it is visible, it just looks better.
OSB is typically used for sheet & shear in production homes. Most common, its cheap & strong. Plywood has grain, that is a weak point for buckling. Even in large custom homes, OSB is still used. Granted thicker sheets, but still used. Nothing wrong with OSB.
Thanks Josh for diving into such a talked about subject. Personally, I had a truck camper with osb floor deck and when my water lines leaked, the floor was forever spongy. But other parts of my current camper (not the floor) like the dinette are osb and it's fine. Keep these types of vids coming, great food for thought!
OSB is a good material, just keep it dry. If they make a sheet large enough to make the RV floor one piece with no joints, that would make it better than any flooring that is several pieces.
Josh , I am a state licensed Professional homebuilder. We were discussing OSB vs CDX plywood. At the end of winter during the spring thaw we discovered a partial OSB sheet in a depression on the ground filled with water. It went through a freeze thaw cycle all winter in Maryland. It REMAINED intack! No debate nessessarry.
Many new Keystone RVs are PREPPED for a small wifi/modem/combo job. You can buy the wifi/modem/combo job from Furrion and simply slide it in. What's different about them is you purchase an amount of data. It's not a monthly amount -- it's a hard amount (think of it like putting money into an account you can draw from whenever you want, but doesn't depreciate when not used).
We are. You'll find their Cherokee series (Including wolf pup, grey wolf, and wolf pack) as well as the full Rockwood lineup at our facility. You could include the Coachmen Apex & Freedom Express under that banner depending on how technical you wanted to get.
Thank you so much for the video and for providing some solid numbers. And thank you for the kind words. Really appreciate you and your honest point of views. We will definitely be seeing you soon to purchase our very first RV.
I remember when I did some job costing on a construction project, I learned that OSB is stronger than plywood, and is a better choice for some things in construction. However, I didn't realize that there are different grades of OSB as you pointed out. Excellent video! Thank you!
Josh, I have a friend who is a contractor who told me that some grades of OSB can attract insects. One of many criterion for our new camper was to avoid those with OSB. I was surprised at how many brands have it under bunk/bedding and often have both. We chose a Grey Wolf 27DBH BL that has no visible OSB. Right or wrong, good or bad I just prefer plywood. If you were closer we would have bought from you but our local dealer has awesome customer support that we think you have. So far we have been very satisfied with the Grey Wolf. Please keep the great videos coming. BTW, you always say you are going to get Dug (Doug) in but we never see Doug? LOL
Love the information never thought of osb vs plywood always learn something new from you. Talked to both Scott 's a few times great resource for shopping for a new RV. Can't wait to buy mine in next few years when me and my family going full time soon gonna buy from you guys. Keep the info videos coming. Best resource is for video tours on all sorts of RV models.
Hey Josh, thanks again for another great video. I think you hit the nail on the head, OSB can be a better choice or a superior choice depending on how and where it’s used. Good example in your video is how Jayco is using a form of OSB in it’s slide outs. Keep the videos coming, I look forward to your next one!
OSB, plywood or secret NASA titanium materials, the thing that scares me is knowing a manufacturer factors in a short life span (to me) in their build specs. This is what caused me the most anxiety in shopping for our camper, finding one that will last us a good fifteen years that is still in our budget. Bought an Adrenaline based off your Freedom Express factory tour hoping the Adrenaline factory is similar.I cover it in the winter and do preventive maintenance to the point of going overboard but I'm that guy waiting for the hammer to fall. Not the little stuff but the big stuff. I have an 2018, then I see the 2019 has the front cap, I think dang should have waited.......that kind of stuff. It's worth it though. Love to camp.
Learning something new!!!! Did NOT know that OSB can be ok and also sometimes a superior product choice!!! Thanks Joshua!!! #education #RV #traveltrailer #OSB #product #build #questions #learn
Hi Josh, I would like to ask a follow up question that I asked on your previous video about roof construction. I asked about the Grey Wolfe and you said it has 3/8" OSB roof decking. I did some googling trying to find manufacturer videos where they describe their construction. There wasn't much for the Cherokee but a video that is about 10 years old where it showed plywood decking but looks like they changed to OSB. BTW, I am totally fine with OSB so not knocking it at all. I dug around for some Jayco videos on their truss system and see that in those videos they used plywood decking. I could have made this a lot shorter and don't know why I didn't but all in all, does the Jayco Flight (including SLX) still use plywood? One video that really pushed me towards Jayco was where the Jayco survived the tree attack, that was impressive. Thanks again, and a big thanks to Gene for dealing with a TON of emails.
Cherokee/Grey Wolf/Wolf Pup (and in fact the significant majority of towable RVs) use OSB roof sheeting. The way they attach it can vary, however. And that's a SIGNIFICANT variance. For instance, simply stapling it down in a dollar cheaper fashion is going to work loose over time. Stapling it to set the decking, then screwing it in place will tend to last much, much longer. We do not carry any brands with purely stapled OSB roof decking. The Jay Flight SLX Series ORIGINALLY featured an OSB roof decking purely for cost control reasons. But, over a year ago, they made all Jay Flights feature a plywood roof deck for consistency (at the same time they swapped to Goodyears basically) Gene is a great guy. He purchased his Jay Flight from us in 2011. It wasn't until two years later he joined our sales team. We never had to put him thru "salesman school" or anything. As someone who truly understands the lifestyle he was a natural addition.
OSB is great for the housing industry because insects like termites don't like it. The wood is planer shavings and too thin, and it's cheap. If a termite eats into it, it will run into glue that it can't deal with very soon after starting. It can move over and start again, but it will have the same problem.
Yes. Of the wide body "Light" models were discontinued and the series was basically made into an upgraded clone of the already existing "Ultralite" Open Ranges.
I think OSB is ok. If It is hidden and combined with other materials its fine. What I don't like is when they use it as a base for the mattress especially when there is no frame work around it so when you lift up the bed in your videos, not all of them, it cheapens the look of quality. Does that make sense? I'm trying to explain it the best way I can. Thanks for all your great videos!
Is there a way to show what types of OSB are used in a few manufacturers and then compare them based on the criteria you outlined? I get the lifespan vs cost issue, but I think the question was more about general build quality. If OSB can be good then can we see an example of where its good or what its good on?
Brands don't publish supplier data on a per-material basis, so there's no way I could fulfill the request. In the video we describe a few areas (such as a laminated motorhome floor) where OSB decking is generally the more effective choice.
I sort of touch on that. The general answer is (*sadly*) going to be: You probably won't. So, all you can really do is keep on top of your preventative upkeep and buy according to your comfort levels / peace of mind.
This may not be an OSB specific question...how does floor construction differ between toy haulers and non-toy haulers? Or are they not different? Do you think there would ever be a large shift in the large companies to use aluminum floors? I see several smaller brands use it for flooring, but the costs seems to go up.
Toy Haulers have varied floor construction types just like anything else. Jayco uses a constructed living area floor, but a laminated garage floor. Open Range uses a laminated living area floor, but a constructed garage floor. And some brands do all of one. None of the other. It completely varies by brand.
Josh does the Open Range 5th wheels come with or an option for In-Command system? I see the new Chevys have a connection that allows In-Command to work with their 2500/3500 trucks
You'll find versions of OneControl on some of their models currently. It's possible they'll swap suppliers at a later date. Typically it seems their version of OneControl operates leveling-only. That also can change at any time.
Mr rv nerd can you talk about rv frames. What I mean is how cedar creek does a bracket and screw and everybody else does a weld. I understand the concept of what cedar creek is doing. But I want to under stand better so do a kick but job. Thanks
I actually studied Cedar Creeks quite a bit to better understand them. While it is a brand I respect we felt other products in the marketplace offered a superior total value to our clients and that's why we carry what we carry. I feel it's best to let a representative of their products represent it themselves. If they're unable to explain where and how it would offer something greater to you as a client, then perhaps you may question if it is, in fact, the best fit for your wants and needs.
Why can they not cover the chasis with a light aluminum or steel sheet and then put on top of that plywood? This way the metal sheet protects from water o humidity. Cars have a metal bottom, why not an rv?
Hey Josh, appreciate your effort and integrity. I am a full timer and live in a Jayco. I will be upgrading soon. Me being a full timer. Which gives the least trouble and the best service. Jayco or Open Range? Are the open range cable slides better than Jayco. Thanks for your wisdom.
Open Range had a MASSIVE problem with the gear boxes of their slides the last few years -- the reverberations of which are still being felt today unfortunately. HOWEVER... that was a supplier issue -- not an Open Range workmanship issue. And it's not currently a problem. Similarly, Jayco was using Schwintek slides where they should not have been using them the past few years & has since stopped doing so. Nearly any brand has rolling glitches like these. The difference is most dealers aren't willing to talk about it. I don't shy away from the reality of the situation. The best way I can describe a Jayco vs. Open Range is this: Do you just love the carpetless deep slides of an open range and their taller slide out ceilings? If so, then there's no other snake bite like them. Otherwise? You'll probably prefer a Jayco. It's an INCREDIBLY oversimplified comparison, but other than pure visual aesthetics it's the most significant physical difference between them.
Thank you, I have decided with your comment. The Coleman ACs, Goodyear tires and maybe better slides, I will stay with Jayco. Thanks, will get a north point 375
Josh: You've repeatedly said that there's no one right of best RV for everyone. And you said it again in the OSB video you posted on 29 July. It would be very helpful to know why Haylett selected the brands it sells. I'm not asking why Haylett didn't select other brands to carry in your inventory. I'm asking for a couple of videos on the strengths of each brand actually sold by Haylett RV. Why wold particular brand or model be suitable or “best” a particular type of buyer. For example, Haylett sells Winnebago travel trailers but not Winnebago Class C motorhomes. Haylett sells Jayco an Coachman Class C motorhomes. What are the strengths and selling points of Jayco an Coachman's that Haylett evaluated to add those over other brands of Class C's. Thanks for all the RV education videos you post and please keep up the good work. Respectfully submitted, William Schooey
Another good and fair question. It has an answer far too lengthy to provide any justice here in text format. Perhaps that needs to be another video for another time.
We used to be Jayco exclusive. While it's a great product I've truly grown to appreciate different facets of different trailers. There's no answer to a question like this because you can always boil it down some degree.
Hey Josh I know you have said there is not thing as a 4 season camper. Are those markers from Canada just telling lies about being 4 season or is it just American Makers.
Like almost everything my answer needs to begin with "That depends..." * They might be rated and reliable to something like 0 degrees * I highly doubt they're rated for below zero + windchill effects WITHOUT supplemental assistance (skirting, heating, etc).
If there is not already an appointed dealer of a brand in the area, then the dealer and brand can agree to do business with one another. There has to be mutual interest.
For years they struggled to put out a product we felt measured up to many other potential offerings available in the marketplace. They began to struggle so badly that they were re-assigned within Thor as what is effectively a subsidiary of Keystone RV. At that point Keystone began handling the majority of Dutchmen's engineering, warranty support, book keeping, etc. And that's when Dutchmen began to finally turn around. The things that are making Dutchmen significant again have nothing to do with Dutchmen, but Keystone's guidance over the brand. And as a dealership that already carries Keystone's top selling brands in every category in which Keystone builds RVs it simply doesn't make sense to add Dutchmen to our lineup. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with Dutchmen products. I'm not say that *at all*. What I'm saying is we do not feel they bring anything of greater value to our customers over the Keystone brands we've already been selling for many years. So it didn't make sense to Rock the Boat. You could really say the same about CrossRoads now. CrossRoads has undergone the exact same "now under Keystone" treatment that has helped Dutchmen so much.
I call it "beaver puke" because it's funny to me. I do so many of these videos that I need to make myself laugh sometimes. Fortunately, a large number of people seem to often find humor in my self indulgence. And I love you all for it.
There is simply no variables other than greed simply greed greed greed and it’s wrong that you try to put it in peoples heads that there’s other variables Birch plywood would be a little more money but it’s stronger than OSB last longer than OSB and weighs way less and that’s what 90% of the trailers used to be made out of you’re wrong you’re trying to trick people into believing the price difference it’s not that big and has to do with profit simply
I apologize, but my duties here and workload generally preclude me from being able to assist clients directly. My best recommendation is to make contact with a proper member of our sales team so they may begin getting familiar with your and your camping goals. I'm not the only guy at Haylett RV that knows his way around a camper. I'm just the only one you've probably "met" so far.
Haylett RV just wait until I ask you to make a 30 second bonus video saying it’s on its way to Cali. Awesome way to tell my wife, and a trend starter that will make you want to give me a slow and painful death.
I'm actually incredibly proud of our audience right now for taking something like this and not jumping to snap judgements. I know there are going to be some people who read the title and think "ABSOLUTELY NOT!!" without so much as a listen. But, it seems nearly everyone has truly listened to really understand the message.
Josh my wife and have been watching your videos for about a month straight now and we love you! We dont have an RV but we be in the market for one in a year and half . We will definitely be buying one from you! Thank you for all of the info you put out and we look forward to meeting you!
That's a great decision!
INTEGRITY is number 1 .
Great conversation....OSB has such strong shear strength that it can be used to boast foundations in homes here in California for earthquake strengthening.
My 2004 jayco Talon ZX has osb chipboard. Wouldn’t have even known if we hadn’t upgraded the vinyl. Pulled up the old vinyl and the osb looked as new as the day it was manufactured. I think the key is active maintenance. Keep up on maintenance and it’s not an issue.
Yes, Yes, and Yes.
OSB is considered a lessor material because it is made from scrap chips, but in reality, with the proper resins and pressure, it is much stronger than 5 ply plywood of the same thickness. Where it is weaker is when used vertically for load bearing, when in thin strips. A strip the same width of plywood will have better shear ability. However, when used for I-Joists, OSB wins the day. A sheet of 3/8-1/2" vertical, about 8-10" wide capped with 2" x 1 1/2" or 2" OSB that is grooved to fit the vertical sheet and glued on top and bottom is stronger than even a 2 x 12 SYP, and can span 20-30', which a 2 x 12 can maybe do 20', but would also need bracing. It is one of the best building materials made, when properly applied. It can work loose if the wrong nails are used to secure it to studs, but it can also span 24" joist when glued and properly nailed, where regular plywood cannot. The one other caveat of OSB is the outgassing of the resin. Some can have a very strong smell for a very long time. Other than that, not a thing wrong with using OSB. Where regular plywood is better used are places where it is visible, it just looks better.
OSB is typically used for sheet & shear in production homes. Most common, its cheap & strong. Plywood has grain, that is a weak point for buckling.
Even in large custom homes, OSB is still used. Granted thicker sheets, but still used. Nothing wrong with OSB.
Thanks Josh for diving into such a talked about subject. Personally, I had a truck camper with osb floor deck and when my water lines leaked, the floor was forever spongy. But other parts of my current camper (not the floor) like the dinette are osb and it's fine. Keep these types of vids coming, great food for thought!
OSB is a good material, just keep it dry. If they make a sheet large enough to make the RV floor one piece with no joints, that would make it better than any flooring that is several pieces.
Josh , I am a state licensed Professional homebuilder. We were discussing OSB vs CDX plywood. At the end of winter during the spring thaw we discovered a partial OSB sheet in a depression on the ground filled with water. It went through a freeze thaw cycle all winter in Maryland. It REMAINED intack! No debate nessessarry.
Many new Keystone RVs are PREPPED for a small wifi/modem/combo job. You can buy the wifi/modem/combo job from Furrion and simply slide it in.
What's different about them is you purchase an amount of data. It's not a monthly amount -- it's a hard amount (think of it like putting money into an account you can draw from whenever you want, but doesn't depreciate when not used).
We are. You'll find their Cherokee series (Including wolf pup, grey wolf, and wolf pack) as well as the full Rockwood lineup at our facility.
You could include the Coachmen Apex & Freedom Express under that banner depending on how technical you wanted to get.
Thank you so much for the video and for providing some solid numbers. And thank you for the kind words. Really appreciate you and your honest point of views. We will definitely be seeing you soon to purchase our very first RV.
Thank you for the respectfully phrased questioning that sparked the idea for this video!
It was a great question, Anand!
I remember when I did some job costing on a construction project, I learned that OSB is stronger than plywood, and is a better choice for some things in construction. However, I didn't realize that there are different grades of OSB as you pointed out.
Excellent video! Thank you!
Josh, I have a friend who is a contractor who told me that some grades of OSB can attract insects. One of many criterion for our new camper was to avoid those with OSB. I was surprised at how many brands have it under bunk/bedding and often have both. We chose a Grey Wolf 27DBH BL that has no visible OSB. Right or wrong, good or bad I just prefer plywood. If you were closer we would have bought from you but our local dealer has awesome customer support that we think you have. So far we have been very satisfied with the Grey Wolf. Please keep the great videos coming. BTW, you always say you are going to get Dug (Doug) in but we never see Doug? LOL
Doug's just never there when you need him
Love the information never thought of osb vs plywood always learn something new from you. Talked to both Scott 's a few times great resource for shopping for a new RV. Can't wait to buy mine in next few years when me and my family going full time soon gonna buy from you guys. Keep the info videos coming. Best resource is for video tours on all sorts of RV models.
Hey Josh, thanks again for another great video. I think you hit the nail on the head, OSB can be a better choice or a superior choice depending on how and where it’s used. Good example in your video is how Jayco is using a form of OSB in it’s slide outs. Keep the videos coming, I look forward to your next one!
Thank you Josh for your helpful advice.
Our pleasure! Happy to educate in return for the fair opportunity to work with you when you're ready!!
OSB, plywood or secret NASA titanium materials, the thing that scares me is knowing a manufacturer factors in a short life span (to me) in their build specs. This is what caused me the most anxiety in shopping for our camper, finding one that will last us a good fifteen years that is still in our budget. Bought an Adrenaline based off your Freedom Express factory tour hoping the Adrenaline factory is similar.I cover it in the winter and do preventive maintenance to the point of going overboard but I'm that guy waiting for the hammer to fall. Not the little stuff but the big stuff. I have an 2018, then I see the 2019 has the front cap, I think dang should have waited.......that kind of stuff. It's worth it though. Love to camp.
Learning something new!!!! Did NOT know that OSB can be ok and also sometimes a superior product choice!!! Thanks Joshua!!! #education #RV #traveltrailer #OSB #product #build #questions #learn
Hi Josh, I would like to ask a follow up question that I asked on your previous video about roof construction. I asked about the Grey Wolfe and you said it has 3/8" OSB roof decking. I did some googling trying to find manufacturer videos where they describe their construction. There wasn't much for the Cherokee but a video that is about 10 years old where it showed plywood decking but looks like they changed to OSB. BTW, I am totally fine with OSB so not knocking it at all. I dug around for some Jayco videos on their truss system and see that in those videos they used plywood decking. I could have made this a lot shorter and don't know why I didn't but all in all, does the Jayco Flight (including SLX) still use plywood? One video that really pushed me towards Jayco was where the Jayco survived the tree attack, that was impressive. Thanks again, and a big thanks to Gene for dealing with a TON of emails.
Cherokee/Grey Wolf/Wolf Pup (and in fact the significant majority of towable RVs) use OSB roof sheeting. The way they attach it can vary, however. And that's a SIGNIFICANT variance. For instance, simply stapling it down in a dollar cheaper fashion is going to work loose over time. Stapling it to set the decking, then screwing it in place will tend to last much, much longer. We do not carry any brands with purely stapled OSB roof decking.
The Jay Flight SLX Series ORIGINALLY featured an OSB roof decking purely for cost control reasons. But, over a year ago, they made all Jay Flights feature a plywood roof deck for consistency (at the same time they swapped to Goodyears basically)
Gene is a great guy. He purchased his Jay Flight from us in 2011. It wasn't until two years later he joined our sales team. We never had to put him thru "salesman school" or anything. As someone who truly understands the lifestyle he was a natural addition.
OSB is great for the housing industry because insects like termites don't like it. The wood is planer shavings and too thin, and it's cheap. If a termite eats into it, it will run into glue that it can't deal with very soon after starting. It can move over and start again, but it will have the same problem.
Josh your videos are awesome! And I agree with your points and perspective here.
Yes. Of the wide body "Light" models were discontinued and the series was basically made into an upgraded clone of the already existing "Ultralite" Open Ranges.
Even Plywood varies greatly in quality. High grade plywood is stupid expensive. Good video.
It absolutely does, and rarely do you get that grade of plywood in an RV.
Well done sir!
Awesome as always.
I think OSB is ok. If It is hidden and combined with other materials its fine. What I don't like is when they use it as a base for the mattress especially when there is no frame work around it so when you lift up the bed in your videos, not all of them, it cheapens the look of quality. Does that make sense? I'm trying to explain it the best way I can. Thanks for all your great videos!
I totally get it. Effective and "Pretty" are not the same thing.
There is better, then there is better for your budget. Better is still better. To mix the two sounds a little “salesman’y”... haha
In the past, the off-gassing from OSB caused health issues, has that been resolved? Thanks
To my knowledge RVs are still generally still built with irritants that may affects users with sensitivities
Is there a way to show what types of OSB are used in a few manufacturers and then compare them based on the criteria you outlined? I get the lifespan vs cost issue, but I think the question was more about general build quality. If OSB can be good then can we see an example of where its good or what its good on?
Brands don't publish supplier data on a per-material basis, so there's no way I could fulfill the request. In the video we describe a few areas (such as a laminated motorhome floor) where OSB decking is generally the more effective choice.
Very nice explanation, but how can the consumer find out for sure what grade osb is used ( if any ) in the rv they are considering ?
I sort of touch on that. The general answer is (*sadly*) going to be: You probably won't. So, all you can really do is keep on top of your preventative upkeep and buy according to your comfort levels / peace of mind.
This may not be an OSB specific question...how does floor construction differ between toy haulers and non-toy haulers? Or are they not different? Do you think there would ever be a large shift in the large companies to use aluminum floors? I see several smaller brands use it for flooring, but the costs seems to go up.
Toy Haulers have varied floor construction types just like anything else.
Jayco uses a constructed living area floor, but a laminated garage floor.
Open Range uses a laminated living area floor, but a constructed garage floor.
And some brands do all of one. None of the other. It completely varies by brand.
Josh does the Open Range 5th wheels come with or an option for In-Command system? I see the new Chevys have a connection that allows In-Command to work with their 2500/3500 trucks
You'll find versions of OneControl on some of their models currently. It's possible they'll swap suppliers at a later date. Typically it seems their version of OneControl operates leveling-only. That also can change at any time.
Mr rv nerd can you talk about rv frames. What I mean is how cedar creek does a bracket and screw and everybody else does a weld. I understand the concept of what cedar creek is doing. But I want to under stand better so do a kick but job. Thanks
I actually studied Cedar Creeks quite a bit to better understand them. While it is a brand I respect we felt other products in the marketplace offered a superior total value to our clients and that's why we carry what we carry.
I feel it's best to let a representative of their products represent it themselves. If they're unable to explain where and how it would offer something greater to you as a client, then perhaps you may question if it is, in fact, the best fit for your wants and needs.
Not RV related but what is that keyboard you are using, if you don't mind. It looks really neat.
No idea. I typed "ergo keyboard" into amazon and clicked the buy button. It says microsoft in the corner lol
Why can they not cover the chasis with a light aluminum or steel sheet and then put on top of that plywood? This way the metal sheet protects from water o humidity. Cars have a metal bottom, why not an rv?
The hard answer: The consumer public won't pay for it on a consistent basis.
I would agree your keyboard is Warped
It resembled my sense of humor.
He took the red pill and bent it like a spoon.
Hey Josh, appreciate your effort and integrity. I am a full timer and live in a Jayco. I will be upgrading soon. Me being a full timer. Which gives the least trouble and the best service. Jayco or Open Range? Are the open range cable slides better than Jayco. Thanks for your wisdom.
Open Range had a MASSIVE problem with the gear boxes of their slides the last few years -- the reverberations of which are still being felt today unfortunately. HOWEVER... that was a supplier issue -- not an Open Range workmanship issue. And it's not currently a problem.
Similarly, Jayco was using Schwintek slides where they should not have been using them the past few years & has since stopped doing so.
Nearly any brand has rolling glitches like these. The difference is most dealers aren't willing to talk about it. I don't shy away from the reality of the situation.
The best way I can describe a Jayco vs. Open Range is this: Do you just love the carpetless deep slides of an open range and their taller slide out ceilings? If so, then there's no other snake bite like them.
Otherwise? You'll probably prefer a Jayco.
It's an INCREDIBLY oversimplified comparison, but other than pure visual aesthetics it's the most significant physical difference between them.
Thank you, I have decided with your comment. The Coleman ACs, Goodyear tires and maybe better slides, I will stay with Jayco. Thanks, will get a north point 375
Josh:
You've repeatedly said that there's no one right of best RV for everyone. And you said it again in the OSB video you posted on 29 July. It would be very helpful to know why Haylett selected the brands it sells. I'm not asking why Haylett didn't select other brands to carry in your inventory. I'm asking for a couple of videos on the strengths of each brand actually sold by Haylett RV. Why wold particular brand or model be suitable or “best” a particular type of buyer. For example, Haylett sells Winnebago travel trailers but not Winnebago Class C motorhomes. Haylett sells Jayco an Coachman Class C motorhomes. What are the strengths and selling points of Jayco an Coachman's that Haylett evaluated to add those over other brands of Class C's.
Thanks for all the RV education videos you post and please keep up the good work.
Respectfully submitted,
William Schooey
Another good and fair question. It has an answer far too lengthy to provide any justice here in text format. Perhaps that needs to be another video for another time.
Yes I think that would ban great video or how ever many it takes.
Great info. I find it interesting that no one has hid a remote fart machine on you yet.
I would totally leave that in the video were it ever the case.
Haylett RV
Or you could let 'em rip and blame the "machine".
Josh, if you could only sell one brand of RV, which RV brand would you choose to sell?
We used to be Jayco exclusive. While it's a great product I've truly grown to appreciate different facets of different trailers. There's no answer to a question like this because you can always boil it down some degree.
I have a Jayco Eagle HT 28.5rsts. I was just wondering. Really enjoy your videos Josh.
Hey Josh
I know you have said there is not thing as a 4 season camper. Are those markers from Canada just telling lies about being 4 season or is it just American Makers.
Like almost everything my answer needs to begin with "That depends..."
* They might be rated and reliable to something like 0 degrees
* I highly doubt they're rated for below zero + windchill effects WITHOUT supplemental assistance (skirting, heating, etc).
I think the people making those claims should sleep in one for a couple nights.
How is it determined what brands a dealer can carry?
If there is not already an appointed dealer of a brand in the area, then the dealer and brand can agree to do business with one another. There has to be mutual interest.
I wish you guys carried dutchman products.
For years they struggled to put out a product we felt measured up to many other potential offerings available in the marketplace. They began to struggle so badly that they were re-assigned within Thor as what is effectively a subsidiary of Keystone RV.
At that point Keystone began handling the majority of Dutchmen's engineering, warranty support, book keeping, etc. And that's when Dutchmen began to finally turn around.
The things that are making Dutchmen significant again have nothing to do with Dutchmen, but Keystone's guidance over the brand.
And as a dealership that already carries Keystone's top selling brands in every category in which Keystone builds RVs it simply doesn't make sense to add Dutchmen to our lineup.
Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with Dutchmen products. I'm not say that *at all*. What I'm saying is we do not feel they bring anything of greater value to our customers over the Keystone brands we've already been selling for many years. So it didn't make sense to Rock the Boat.
You could really say the same about CrossRoads now. CrossRoads has undergone the exact same "now under Keystone" treatment that has helped Dutchmen so much.
So Josh, That why you call it "Beaver Puke"?
I call it "beaver puke" because it's funny to me. I do so many of these videos that I need to make myself laugh sometimes. Fortunately, a large number of people seem to often find humor in my self indulgence. And I love you all for it.
There is simply no variables other than greed simply greed greed greed and it’s wrong that you try to put it in peoples heads that there’s other variables Birch plywood would be a little more money but it’s stronger than OSB last longer than OSB and weighs way less and that’s what 90% of the trailers used to be made out of you’re wrong you’re trying to trick people into believing the price difference it’s not that big and has to do with profit simply
Josh, would you be willing to set me up with your email? As we move closer to purchase date, I have a few questions mostly unrelated to OSB.
I apologize, but my duties here and workload generally preclude me from being able to assist clients directly. My best recommendation is to make contact with a proper member of our sales team so they may begin getting familiar with your and your camping goals.
I'm not the only guy at Haylett RV that knows his way around a camper. I'm just the only one you've probably "met" so far.
Haylett RV I understand. However, do understand that I will require and autographed baggage door.
*lol* It's so crazy that ever became "a thing."
Haylett RV just wait until I ask you to make a 30 second bonus video saying it’s on its way to Cali. Awesome way to tell my wife, and a trend starter that will make you want to give me a slow and painful death.
what I would like to know, when is your picture going to be on the Haylett RV sticker with your signature
Life span affects resale value
Certainly. But personal care and upkeep VASTLY outweighs any variance in product construction.
Crickets. I guess you expected riots?
I'm actually incredibly proud of our audience right now for taking something like this and not jumping to snap judgements.
I know there are going to be some people who read the title and think "ABSOLUTELY NOT!!" without so much as a listen. But, it seems nearly everyone has truly listened to really understand the message.
OSB is junk