Bastila and Jolee Talk
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Bastila's inevitable plea to Jolee for him to return to the Jedi order. She receives a lesson she would be wise to adopt.
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"Just consider me like any other member of the crew, just with the force.....and a lightsaber."
- one of the best Jedi ever
True 😂
AND forcepowers.. 😂😂
you mean best *non*-jedi XD
Bastila: “You are a Jedi, Jolee.”
Sith trooper who just walked by: *I’m going to pretend I didn’t hear that.*
Took longer then I thought for someone to comment this. But it's a good thing I did this conversation on Manaan. There wasn't anything the Sith could do about it anyway.
This arent the jedis youre looking for.
Sith trooper: this arent the jedis were looking for.
Well they are in manaan so even though the sith trooper wants to kill them, the repercussions would be most severe.
@@Gazpacho834 the only bargening chip the selkath had was koloto.. and that's only because it was revan/malaks sith. The true sith empire tried to bargin with the selkath and when they refused they gave them the ole taris treatment
"I know you have... issues... with the Order..."
Sith Trooper: "Me too, bro."
"Belonging to the Jedi Order, or the Sith, or any group won't change what you are at your core" Never caught that before but that works really well with the Revan reveal. Reminds me of when Kreia talks about what happened to Revan, that he was always true to himself despite what happened to him.
thats why kotor 2 is some of the best written games
I’m coming back to this video after rewatching The Wrong Jedi from the CW. To me, both sides are just the same: with Obi Wan, he sticks with the Jedi order regardless of how hypocritical they are. Same can go with the Sith but they allow passion.
When Jolee said that quote, it hit me. Why belong to a specific group if you have to change yourself to be apart of it? It’s an idea that should be explored more in Star Wars.
Gotta love Jolee's matter of fact principles.
0:26. Revan like "I didn't see or hear anything, in fact I'm gonna stay there and stare forward. I'm just cool like that."
"Help me convince Jolee! Together we can change his mind!"
"Don't get me started, kid. When you're done making googly-eyes at her, tell Bastila she's wasting her time."
Revan: "I'm just going to stand over here and pretend I'm focused on something really important."
Looking out at the ocean hoping to see a space whale jump out the water
Its interesting at this point bastila thinks you need the jedi council in order to keep from going over to the dark side.
From one perspective it shows the councils stance on things " we're the law/ only we can keep you from the dark side"
Her whole character arc shows a lack of firm morals, a desire for authorities to point the right way and, overall, an understandable confusion caused by a sudden surge of freedom and responsability after a life of obedience.
Her subservient attitude makes her justify lobotomy, her lack of moral autonomy causes her to embrace the rules of the new authority that controls her life.
The only thing that is personal to her, love, is what can save her in the end by making her see the choice was always hers.
It is recommended, but they didn't actually act so pigheaded. Bastila was just a starstruck Jedi who felt very protective over others.
"Besides, light side, dark side: they don't mean the same to me as they do to you. I don't see in absolutes."
Obi-Wan: *HELLO THERE!* "Only a sith deals in absolutes."
So do the Jedi, Obi-Wan.
The irony is that that line is an absolute in itself.
I respect Jolee and totally agree. You don't have to be a jedi to do good in the galaxy. The Order has issues and they don't have a monopoly on doing what is right in the galaxy. I like how he sticks to his principles and agree with his decision to leave the Order. In fact, he could probably do more that way, without having to follow the "rules" of the Jedi, which get in the way
Thr irony here is that Bastila is the one that falls to the dark side, while Jolee has a much deeper understanding of the force than Yoda (until maybe after his exile), Obi-Wan or just about anyone else.
Top tier writing. 👌
Would like to see a round table discussion with Jolee, Qui Gon Jin, and Ahsoka
might as well throw Kanan into the mix.
Why not make things really interesting, and throw Yoda, Mace Windu, and Obi-Wan Kenobi into the mix. For a worthwhile round table discussion, you need to have opposing points of view.
(I left Anakin Skywalker out because rational discourse isn’t his thing.)
@@branescan (because Kanan is just a canon knockoff of R.Kota from the force unleashed series, except less badass and less awesome.
@@timonsolus we kinda have had a Jedi round table discussion before in the expanded universe.
@@AncestorEmpire1 kanan is nothing like kota lol.
Jolee has real wisdom.
Jolee Bindo is an actual example of a Grey Jedi. It's not an Order, it's a Jedi who either left of was seen as a radical within The Jedi Order.
If they stay on the Light side, they are Grey Jedi, but only to those WITHIN the Order.
A Grey Jedi isn't what they are, it's just what the Jedi called them.
Not even the dialogues between companions are bad in the game
The intercaction between Carth and Canderous was far more powerful than the entire sequel trilogy.
Revan just taking in the lovely view in the background there
Can you blame him? Manaan and Ahto City are very beautiful.
This is similar to Zayne Carricks perception in regards to the Jedi Covenant. Its a shame the comic character wasn't included in a future iteration of a Kotor game. Id love to see him and Jolee chat.
Who would say that the Steve Urkel of Star Wars would be really wise!
@@TetsuShima you consider Zayne Carrick to be Urkel? I honestly saw him more along the lines of Nova from Marvel or Spiderman
@@sergioruiz733 I am sorry, but his propension to destroy everything around him by accident reminds me a lot to Urkel.
@@TetsuShima lol a Jedi jarjar binks
Who's Steve Urkel again?
Yeah, a bit of a shame we never found out about what happened to Zayne after the events of the KotOR: War miniseries. Also, whatever did he do in the Jedi Civil War that soon followed?
It's insane the amount of these that can be applied to Revan
Only a Sith deals in absolute
So do the Jedi.
Jolee: I don't see in absolutes.
Also Jolee: Malak is a tyrant that needs to be stopped.
That in itself is not an absolute. Malak was once a Jedi as well.
Importantly he doesn't say that the light side doesn't matter, only that you don't have to be a Jedi to avoid falling to the dark.
Just look at Ahsoka, she left the order at 17 and is more of a Jedi than most she trained with and knew.
Apparently the Jedi don't believe in self-control
It's one of their core principles.
Jolee, my friend, I love you, but I love galaxy domination more.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." Obi Wan Kenobi.
a pity neither of these two had a conversation with Juhani. or Jolee and Mission
I wonder sometimes if Qui-Gon Jinn would have left the Order after the start of the Clone Wars...or even whether the Clone Wars would have started if he hadn't died.
I believe he would have had enough ethical understanding that they were conscripting clones to die in a war with no free will. He in fact would have prevented Dooku from joining Palpatine and yet I feel he would have advocated for the separatist on the conditions they cease fire on republican worlds. From what we are aware he would have understood they were being drawn into a war. He also would have questioned those at the cloning facility.
@@ArtofGuilt They didn't conscript the clones. Whether they got involved or not, the clones WERE going to be used by the Republic. Because the Jedi are supposed to save lives, it then became imperative that they join the war to protect the clones AND people on both sides. That's the genius of the plan. Sidious didn't target Jedi for being corrupt or arrogant, he attacked their altruistic principles. He knew they would rush to the defense of others and punished that as their weakness. (They still did the right thing, despite Palpatine's rigged game)
Jolee doesn’t deal in absolutes; Obi Wan approves of this message.
Jolee Bindo. A true Star Wars black protagonist. Watch and learn, Finn.
Disney screwed Finn over
Umm... I dunno if you missed it but Jolee isn’t a protagonist 😂
@@bullseye5262 he's one of the playable characters and a member of the Ebon Hawk crew. So, he is as protagonist as Revan or even T3-M4.
@@TetsuShima been playable doesn't make you protagonist. Read definition of the word.
@@pantonearqm2791 That doesn't matter. He is still one of the main leads, so he is one of the pillars of the plot
Isn’t Jolee technically considered a grey Jedi?
yes
Technically, but most Greys do not call themselves such. They're either Jedi or "just an ordinary guy with a lightsaber and a few questions..."
@@hanbeitakenakasama7735 Kyle Katarn. Definitely one of the best characters in Legends, too.
No such thing as a grey Jedi. That’s just Fan wankery. Jolee just left the order.
the "nu" sequel trilogy really should have used these ideas in their screenplay. the original trilogy is great as its classic, good vs evil self contained adventure romance self introspection redemption story, but this simple distinction would have done wonders.
take Jolee's interpretation of the Grey Jedi as a very human concept people can actually relate to, stop treating the tech as the centerpiece and just as the story tools they were intended, have Rey be a nobody (admittedly stealing this from nu-Bladerunner) but have here still decide to do what's human and noble by trying to save Kylo, give Finn the clone treatment like they do in CW, focusing on the ideas of them as brothers bred for war, and have him be conflicted/undeserving of Rose due to his service. it's been driving me nuts.
so many good ideas in all the media offshooting from the original films, but nothing from the sequels and arguably, very little from the prequels.
I know they'd never put Kreia's uncomfortable and often bizarre eat or be eaten ideology into a new villain, but anything is better than Snoke in a jar, and "palpatine somehoe returned."
thank you RLM for showing me the way, and ty for documenting these classic cases of writing. fantastic channel.
Thanks to Jolee, Bastila saw through the lies of the Jedi and accepted her feelings for Revan, deciding to have a family with him. So, Satele and Theron's existence was possible thanks to this dialogue.
There no such thing as lies of the Jedi, filthy sith. We never lie, our words are always true... In a manner of speaking.
@@pantonearqm2791 "Only a Sith deals in absolutes".
Oh, wait. That's an absolute, buddy
@@TetsuShima it's words of a single Jedi, sith. You cannot use them to criticize us all. And, in a manner of speaking, they are correct.
@@pantonearqm2791 Well, something that you love to do is:
-Stealing babies from their parents
-Not allowing your members to form bonds
-Make whatever the Republic wants to do with you (even if that means exterminating species like the Sith pureblood).
-Getting involved in any war despite being apparently neutral
Glad that Luke's Jedi Order cleaned your image at least
@@TetsuShima we do not steal, their parents give them to us willingly, there is no surpise in that, it's a great honor to be a Jedi. We allow our members to form bonds, we just want them to control their passions and emotions. We surve the Republic, because it's best choice of actions. And sith pureblood are fiends of the dark side, they are shouldn't exist, abominations of the dark side. We are no netural, we fight for all good and right. Luke's Order didn't change anything, nor it should, the Jedi are perfect.
Gotta love it
I remember playing the hell out of this game. My mom's best friend's ex husband let me borrow it then disappeared into the either.
Yeah my wife’s boyfriend let me play his
Jedi, Sith, two different kinds of fanatics.
Yea they're both extremists in their own rights. If you were to look at the opinions of Force-sensitive groups outside of the Jedi and the Sith, you'd see they have much wider views than both Orders do. Not to mention they have low views on both of them. Like the Zeison Sha.
@@99thJediWarrior True, also I like that they introduced nuance with Jolee. Not just black and white.
Not true.
@@grimlord3181 not not true.
@@f813gaming8 The Jedi are not fanatics.
Absolutes, eh? And to think this game first released two years before Ep. III came out.
Bastila Shan ( KotOR ) = Aayla Secura ( The Clone Wars ) = Female!Commander Shepard ( Mass Effect trilogy )
Is this vanilla or is there some mod for this?
Vanilla
Why is Bastila SLIGHTLY transparent? xD
W
People who believe in absolutes are always wrong.
Not really.
“You command the force”
That sounds pretty dark to say. Jedi are just as bad a the sith and want control
No they aren't and don't.
No they don't. They specifically have a provision in the Jedi Code not to control/lord over others. They do not want control.
Jedi help people. Sith genocide people and create Hitler youth societies. And the Jedi are just as bad? My ass.
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Nobody cares dude
@@supremeleadergnkdroid3202 calmdown dude just having fun
Nobody cares
Congratulations! Have a nice day!
@@pantonearqm2791 oh come on, like none of you all have ever done this for fun