I have head from many experts that the Suzuki 2 & 4 stroke engines were the very best engines ever put on a push mower. They had 6000 hours of life. Huge!
I have two of the four stroke Suzukis on Toros, 32 & 33 years old, usually first pull start, no smoke, just amazing power. Toro dropped them in the late 80s and replaced them with Briggs Europa model engines to save money. I had heard the Suzuki engines were the ones that Honda copied.
@@HomeGaragechannel hello I'm a big fan of your channel I do have a craftsmen mower I was wondering if you could fix it I would be grateful reply if your intristed
So very timely! I just bought 2 of these for $65 CAD! (one with the orig owners manual from 1987). One starts first pull-the other is a parts mule...but will try to get it running. I have 5 Toro mowers all with aluminum decks-BEST! Thank you for a look at the Suzuki 2-cycle before I start tearing into the non-runner.
@@ClassicTVMan1981X there was a BBC...I ended up giving them to a friend last year...got out of Toro/Exmark mowers...I have half a dozen John Deere 14SB/JX75's now instead...
My friend bought one new back in the '80's I think he said it was $ 400.00 and it was just the basic push mower .I tried it out because I never saw one in action. The thing was a beast .He neglected it and it had starting problems, before he tossed it ,when visiting his shop one day he asked me if I wanted it I told him no thanks .On the way home I saw a Mint condition one at the curb I couldn't believe it .I grabbed it and brought it home and did take my friends for parts the next day .Now I somehow ended up with 4 of them and love them all, 2 push styles, one Commercial , one Recycler which is my favorite.
You like your Recycler 2-cycle better than the Commercial 2-cycle? I wanted a commercial 2-cycle Suzuki for years before I found my 1991 Recycler 2-cycle and it is the best mower I have ever used. I have never had a chance to use the Commercial version. My 91 Recycler still starts with a half pull of the rope and it runs like a new mower. Its cut is better than my Honda HRX 217.
Nice work, Home Garage. I hope your customer watches this video. You can of course use bulk gasket material and a small ball peen to cut all the shapes. And remember, 2-cycle engines vibrate more and mechanically crumble gaskets faster. Given the age and use of the machine, this is to be expected.
Great engines I have rebuilt many. I guess this was the early days of asbestos free gaskets, so there were quality issues till they got it right. These engines benefit greatly from a freshen up. Rings, bearings & oil seals. OEM rings were chrome plated, some aftermarket ones are not & would last as long. Chinese copy parts are around known as a 1E58FL engine there (Google That), but you cannot beat the real ones. For models without a primer like yours. Cold starting, stand mower on its nose with spark plug pointing down 5 seconds. This spills fuel out main jet into engine effectively priming it. Starts much easier.
@@carlsimons1688 this winter in the state of Missouri, USA, had a few weeks very cold weather for us. Low bottomed out negative 19 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. Anyhow, your trick worked perfectly in getting my snow thrower up and running. Many thanks to you Mr. Simons.
I have 3 Toro mowers with the Suzuki 2 cycle. Being piston ported, they definitely have a different sound than the reed valve Lawn-Boys. I forgot to mention, another item that can cause a 2 cycle not to start is bad crankcase seals. A backfire can blow the seal right out of the block.
There is one of these in the junk pile at work. I crushed 10 other mowers yesterday but for some reason I can't bring myself to do it to that one. Possibly aquisition in progress....
Thanks a lot!! This video helped me get my old Suzuki mower started again. It's been with us for over 20 years and it just won't die ;) Well, sometimes it does, but it starts up again and those gaskets are definitely contributing
Back in the day it was toro commercial 2 cycle and they still are the best. Some things in the late 1990s were built in a way that would just be too $$$ now. For example golf clubs. The top irons back then were the big Bertha tungsten titanium irons , they were large irons made of solid titanium, which is too light , so to make it swing good and get under the ball they have a tungsten insert built into the bottom of the club face. These clubs cost 1999.95$ back then, that would be like paying 3284$ for a set of irons 3-pw. And since then we have not seen any major leaps on tech, similar to computers. Yes they get smaller faster and mass adopted, but no new type of computers or tech. Hell even movies are mostly just remakes. America is the land of innovation , but at this point we need some invention injected into society as well!
I repair all mower brands for dried out carb gaskets on mowers by using and spreading grease on them for reassembly to get a seal. I do this only on dried out leaking gaskets not cracked on torn. Those are replaced
Just picked a Rover with the same engine, although no primer bulb. Starts with fuel down the cylinder but does not fun after that. I’ll check what you say and see how it goes. Cheers…👍🇦🇺👍
I am pretty sure this is the exact same engine as the one in my 1996 Toro Powercurve snowblower. It is a pretty good engine and has decent fuel efficiency
Yes same engine. I have a 1991 Recycler with Suzuki 2-cycle, and my Father has a 1998 Toro CCR 3000 snowblower with 5hp Suzuki 2-cycle. I used to think my 2004 Toro CCR 3650 snowblower with 6.5hp R-Tek 2-cycle was the better snowblower, but this year I used my Father's Suzuki powered 3000 to clear 12+inches of wet snow and it never bogged down, and it is a lighter more manageable machine vs my 3650. The CCR 3000 is now my favorite single stage snowblower, with the 3650 being a close second. Suzuki > R-Tek
Great video! I love the detail as you work through the issue. As I was watching I couldn’t help but wonder if it has a reed valve. That was my next guess but looking now I think it maybe a piston port motor.
I have the same problems with a b&s pro series 175cc 7.75. went from a e3 .20 to a champion plug with a narrow gap, started on the second pull, mowed the front, but when I stopped it and started it agian for the backyard it didn't start.
@@HomeGaragechannel troy bilt tb350xp no prime needed just pull, and auto choke with muffler gets hot. New plug, new air filter, cleaned carb jet, and checked flywheel key
@@DUBMANS I suspect that the auto choke is the problem. Next time when it happens take off the air filter and see what the choke flap is doing. Is it closed or open.
@@MrJeepsterman I wouldn't call it special but it does require a specific spark plug. Call a local lawn and garden place and tell them what you have. They will tell you what plug it requires and if they have one.
your simple answer was that the several gaskets could be replaced or repaired with sealant. And it started right up after you verified ann the small holes were cleared and airtight gaskets may be the fix. It is usually 'something simple or stupid' as my workmate used to say about mainframe computer problems that popped up. It could be the same thing here
I just picked up an engine for my 22043 commercial 21 model. Very similar to this one. Mines been sitting for about 6 years. I noticed the bottom of it is disassembled. I think I have all the parts, but the blade brake doesn’t look right. Also, the transmission is now stuck in 3rd. Wish me luck!
So the fuel valve is open at the bottom of the tank? It could also be your gas cap. Next time you start it try cracking the gas cap. The air vent might not be working.
Just age for those gaskets worked on one of these it was an awesome experience for the age of this mower got it from someone who sed they repair them he could not get this one to work a nice thing the Deck doesn’t rust I repaired it and sold it
Me again. I took the Carburetor off and the studs are stuck in the block. Got one out and am terrified of snapping off the other stud. Carburetor is off and the jet from the top doesn't have the hole through it from the bottom. Looks sealed over. Don't know if there is supposed to be a hole at the top of that jet? Mine closed off on both ends. The Mower will not idle smooth at all.
@@HomeGaragechannel OK, so the idle jet has no hole. Was manufactured wrong. I spoke to the original owner and he said the Engine never idled when new and the Dealer "said it was normal". My carburetor has a stripped end on the emulsion tube and corrosion. Welded in I bought a new carburetor $$$ and then bought a new Idle jet specified for the 5.5 HP. The main jet I couldn't find. The Main jet the new Carb came with is a 72.5. Toro tells me it should be a #75. The old Carburetor has no number on the Main jet. Do you know if a #72.5 would run a richer mixture than a #75? I had a Lawn Boy for years (30) and it leaned out and the engine seized. When I tore it down, the main jet was mostly plugged and She starved for fuel and oil. I'm trying the Suzuki at 40:1. Using Echo 2-cycle oil. Maybe something is better for lube? Thanks a million for your great instructional video. I just need to find out if the 72.5 Main Jet would run on the Rich side instead of the lean side. My mower also has the while corrosion around the Chute.
I hoped you might help me. I have the same mower, just bought it since I miss my old one. It's in very good condition with very little wear, stored about 3 or 4 years according to previous owner with no gas in it. The carb looks brand new inside, but the mower at first almost felt siezed. I pulled the plug, sprayed some wd40 and was able to get a few cycles before it binds up again. It does have spark, clean fuel and the primer works. You just can't physically turn the motor fast enough to potentially start it. Its not the pull cord assembly itself as it does it with a manual cord wrapped around, but if you spin the blades, it cycles without any issue except normal compression. It's almost like when you pull the cord it has way too much compression so much so that you can't turn it over. Any suggestions? I much appreciate your knowledge on these fine engines.
I appreciate your description of the issue, it was very well explained. Can you do me a favor and remove the top engine cover? I want to make sure the flywheel brake isn't still engaged when you squeeze the brake handle. If the brake is still engaged, it would extremely difficult to pull the rope.
@@HomeGaragechannel wanna know what I did? I'm almost too embarrassed to admit, but maybe someone can learn from my mistake...my last 2 stroke was a non commercial model with the blade clutch....I didn't have to hold the kill bar to start...I spent a hour at the sellers home dinkering around and didn't realize till I got home what I had done. If the bar is not squeezed, it will do everything I explained. Once you follow basic operating instructions, it starts first pull after sitting for 3 years. I'll post a quick short to show you if you are interested. It's exceptionally nice cleaned up, I'd guess around 100 hours. Cream puff, runs great, needs nothing. I want you to know I appreciate your reply just the same. Thank you! P.s. The seller didn't realize either, guess it had been too long. They soldnitbfor a song and now I feel a bit guilty.
@@HomeGaragechannel Had I not figured it out before I saw your post, what you said would have made it click also, so great explaination and diagnosis you offered. 👍 I actually found another person with the exact same symptoms, including that the blade turns normal, bit pulls so hard... I'd bet money I'm not the first to make this stupid mistake.lol
The carb can be removed without unscrewing the Studs. There are 2 bolts holding on the throttle mechanism, remove those, and the linkage will be loose enough to undo, and carb will come off.
Great video.....I was wondering if you or your viewers had any thoughts on what could be causing my 97' toro super recycler to leak oil on the front deck. It has a Briggs and Stratton 6.5GTS. Starts and runs good, But leaks pretty bad after an hour of mowing. Appreciate the help. I will be watching more of your content!
thanks I appreciate that. As far as the leak, have you tried cleaning that area, then see where the leak might be originating from? My guess would be the Sump gasket, where the sump bolts up to the block. Another location is the plate that covers the valve springs. It has a gasket there too that can leak towards the front. The plate can be seen once you take off the muffler.
I've had a few where there didn't seem to be much noticeable kickback. I'm just saying that I would have checked that first, not thinking it could be gaskets
I had I a really nice curb side craftsman mower, was mowing 2 days ago and motor locked up because they never cut the oil ports in the mains from factory..so I stripped and separated all the parts and brought it in my to scrap pile..too bad I really liked it ..should of fixed it but I saved alot of good parts..i find about 6 of them a year
wow I've never seen that before. I will be getting a craftsman in soon and I'll have to take it apart and see if its the same problem. Thanks for the comment.
If the rest of the mower is ok, then a Briggs Quantum engine (or vice versa with Tecumseh) from that era will often bolt on and use the same adapter with blade.
@@999thenewman it's in good shape ,but there so common in my area out to the curb ,I just scrap them and keep the good parts off them ..took a truck load of old motors in last week and got 15 cents a pound of irony aluminum..made 150$ . They just don't make them to last..less you build your own ..or go through them like I shoulda
should see the old 1930s briggs roto tiller I found in my shed when I bought the house. I brought it back to life and its a monster. minus the busted wheels
Hi I have one exactly same with your , I clean up carb, new spark plug But too hard get starting up Sometime it ran ...... Maybe the swing arm oil seal is leaking? And if replacement, I don't know what size for that And where I can Buy it Do you have video for that problem on you tube ? thanks
I read thru the comments and didnt see anything so take a look. Alot of the lawn guys use the cheap two stroke oil in gallon jugs. The carbon from this oil will literally fill in the exhaust port. Every few years, pull the muffler and knock the carbon out with a popcycle stick, blow the dust out with your air line. Good for another few years. Running these at 32:1 seems to be better than 50:1.
I went through this whole ordeal on my personal pace and found the cord on the left of the handle was off. Put it back on and voila, it started. Now I have a new corroborator. Came with all new gaskets and it was cheap enough to just replace it.
Home Garage i bought this lawn more for same body i don’t know for how long was in the garage is start good but after a minute start make explosive i trial difrent carb but doing same thing
That was scarey, I thought such a great machine wouldn’t start after all that. I wonder why it didn’t start in the beginning even though it had compression, spark, and fuel.
Do you happen to know how it Locked up? Was it running and locked up or has it always been Locked up since you've had it? I would spray some WD40 or some sort thing oil into the cylinder and let it set.
@@HomeGaragechannel It was a used mower and was gonna happen sometime anyway. I haven't used it in a while because it was starting to smoke a lot. I'll look into it tomorrow, Thanks for the Suggestion!
@@HomeGaragechannel Hello I have a couple of these I'm resurrecting. What would cause such a hard kick back when starting? Once I get her going it starts surging after about 15 or 20 seconds
That compression tester you linked is that the one you use? Will it work on mowers, and various different small engines like leaf blowers, trimmers, and snow throwers?
it's the new one that I bought earlier this year, however I dropped and it's off now so I had to buy another one. Yes it will work on most small equipment except the one's that use the small spark plugs.
does the compression test have anything to do with these possible air leaks thru the gaskets? ie if compression is that high cant we assume its not these gasket air leaks? or are these not related?
Thanks for the comment . The compression test is testing the top end of the cylinder and not the gaskets outside of the engine. Leaking gaskets on the intake wouldn't effect it.
Hi I have a important question. So I have a lawnboy duraforce and whenever I let go of the top handle to shut off the engine it screeches really loud unless I slowly release the handle bar. This means the flywheel break is worn. But is there any way to fix that. Like can that part be replaced, can WD40 fix it, and where even is it located
you do you mean at time stamp 6:30? if that's the time you're talking about, it's because I put fuel into the carbs throat, it doesn't need anymore fuel.
I had a question, I have a toro turfmaster that has the fj180v engine. It’s only a year old but when I turn it off after using for awhile it does not want to start, after quite a bit of pulls it will kinda sputter on then go to normal. What do you think?
what I would do, would be to run, let it get hot, and then shut it off. Then try and start it, and if it does it again, I would remove the air filter and then squirt some fuel into the carbs, throat. If It starts immediately ,then it's a carb issue, But if it's still hard to start, then you could have a spark plug issue, or the valve lash is off and needs to be adjusted.
change the gas and change the oil. I had a lawnmower that would only start when the oil level was correct. I have a motorcycle that will not start if the fuel sits for a few weeks.
@@HomeGaragechannel OK, just bought this exact Mower TODAY!!! So mine is a 2000 Model and the Owner bought it new for $1300. He used it until 2004 and then hired a company to take care of his yard. He moved from Oregon to Arizona and left the Mower at his Dad's home in Oregon. They wanted $300 for it but let me take it for $225. It looks pretty good except the bag is worn on the sides where it rubbed on the handle. It runs but will not idle. At idle, the RPM is all over the place and almost stalls. I would like to purchase a new Cloth Bag but do not know if any parts are available? Out here, the GREEN Biden people freak out if you run a 2-cycle anything. We are not either one. The next door neighbor told me to shut off that smelly mower. It is a propelled model and has the blade clutch. Thanks for the video and if you can advise me on where to get parts or how to fix the idle, that would be helpful. Thanks again!
I was right with you but would probably have pulled the blower housing to check for rats and rust on the mag. I hardly run into a bad plug but it's not impossible. Thanks and BLESSINGS!
Does that style of deck mulch good and do you think those 2 cycle suzuki engines are any good? I’m looking at an older one on offer up right now. Im thinking about buying it.
I be honest, if it had a mulching blade, it will be just okay as a mulched. The reason is that I feel that deck was meant to work best as a catcher. I would get a super recycler, with Suzuki, if you can find one. otherwise a kawaski will do.
@@HomeGaragechannel luckily it wasn't stripped so bad and I was able to tighten the carb and air filter. I ended up bending the carb linkages to remove it. Cleaned it up and it started no problem. Thanks for the video :-)
First thing you should have done take plug out check for spark, put some fuel directly into cylinder put plug back in and tried it. When you have a weak spark it can be due to flywheel having rust on it, fixed a few motors with this problem.
@@HomeGaragechannel Your welcome, by the way flywheels are Aluminum so its only the little magnet in the flywheel that rusts and needs to be sanded clean, sometimes the ignition coil can also rust on the two contact points take it off and also clean from rust, best way to get perfect gap when installing the coil is by using some Corn flakes cardboard or similar as shim.
@@stickytarmacs i would look into rebuilding it but of that's too much money for an old machine or not your cup of tea then put it on the curb so someone can use it for parts.
actually it's not the same mower. one has paint missing the other doesn't and yes I do work on them both quite a bit as the owner is pretty bad at taking care of them.
yes it's either your brake cable, kill switch or the ignition coil. Remove the top cover and make sure the kill switch is clearing the kill switch when you close the brake cable.
@@HomeGaragechannel Yes I unhooked the coil groung And I'm not getting any continuity between the coil and plug wire. So I'm thinking that plug wire is bad and directly hooked to coil
@@HomeGaragechannel yes I got them super cheap one was home owner used so.it in good shape the one im rebuilding Is pretty rough all I really need is rings and upper and lower seals right?
Great job 👍 my old Toro 2 cycle Suzuki can be really finicky with spark plugs. I pretty much have to replace it every season or it's really hard to start.
Seriously, get yourself a tube of blue Hylomar, it's a Rolls Royce invention and it never sets, it's thick enough and gooey enough to seal leaks and not flow out of the joint but you don't have to wait for it to dry, 'cos it doesn't. Used it for decades on cars and bikes.
I have head from many experts that the Suzuki 2 & 4 stroke engines were the very best engines ever put on a push mower. They had 6000 hours of life. Huge!
Thank you Al Gorel for the comment. I have to agree. They are great.
I have two of the four stroke Suzukis on Toros, 32 & 33 years old, usually first pull start, no smoke, just amazing power. Toro dropped them in the late 80s and replaced them with Briggs Europa model engines to save money. I had heard the Suzuki engines were the ones that Honda copied.
Thank you for the information.
I know it’s not the same but we have a John Deere 930M with 16000 hours on it. It’s incredible what an actual mower can go for.
@@HomeGaragechannel hello I'm a big fan of your channel I do have a craftsmen mower I was wondering if you could fix it I would be grateful reply if your intristed
If you pass a home and see someone mowing with a 2-Stroke Suzuki you know he's a bad ass.
Nice video brother....
lol most definitely bad ass. thanks for the comment
So very timely! I just bought 2 of these for $65 CAD! (one with the orig owners manual from 1987). One starts first pull-the other is a parts mule...but will try to get it running. I have 5 Toro mowers all with aluminum decks-BEST! Thank you for a look at the Suzuki 2-cycle before I start tearing into the non-runner.
Thank you for the comment and good luck.
No BBC on either, right?
@@ClassicTVMan1981X there was a BBC...I ended up giving them to a friend last year...got out of Toro/Exmark mowers...I have half a dozen John Deere 14SB/JX75's now instead...
@@kirkthebeerslinger I wish him the best of luck!
My friend bought one new back in the '80's I think he said it was $ 400.00 and it was just the basic push mower .I tried it out because I never saw one in action. The thing was a beast .He neglected it and it had starting problems, before he tossed it ,when visiting his shop one day he asked me if I wanted it I told him no thanks .On the way home I saw a Mint condition one at the curb I couldn't believe it .I grabbed it and brought it home and did take my friends for parts the next day .Now I somehow ended up with 4 of them and love them all, 2 push styles, one Commercial , one Recycler which is my favorite.
Wow you are very fortunate to have 4 of them. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
You like your Recycler 2-cycle better than the Commercial 2-cycle? I wanted a commercial 2-cycle Suzuki for years before I found my 1991 Recycler 2-cycle and it is the best mower I have ever used. I have never had a chance to use the Commercial version. My 91 Recycler still starts with a half pull of the rope and it runs like a new mower. Its cut is better than my Honda HRX 217.
Nice work, Home Garage. I hope your customer watches this video. You can of course use bulk gasket material and a small ball peen to cut all the shapes. And remember, 2-cycle engines vibrate more and mechanically crumble gaskets faster. Given the age and use of the machine, this is to be expected.
Excellent answer. Yes this is a commercial unit so lots of vibration.
Very thorough. Buy a roll of gasket material and cut out your own gaskets. RTV is not a good solution. It also comes off and clogs up the carb.
You are completely correct. Gasket material it is then.
& brave too, taking a carb apart on grass!
Great engines I have rebuilt many. I guess this was the early days of asbestos free gaskets, so there were quality issues till they got it right. These engines benefit greatly from a freshen up. Rings, bearings & oil seals. OEM rings were chrome plated, some aftermarket ones are not & would last as long. Chinese copy parts are around known as a 1E58FL engine there (Google That), but you cannot beat the real ones. For models without a primer like yours. Cold starting, stand mower on its nose with spark plug pointing down 5 seconds. This spills fuel out main jet into engine effectively priming it. Starts much easier.
Wow thanks for sharing the information. I appreciate it.
Mower has a primer. Check video at 3:15. But still a great suggestion that I will certainly try. Thanks.
@@robstone5333 I missed that. Model for Australia & New Zealand did not. I learnt that trick from a hire centre that had a fleet of them
@@carlsimons1688 this winter in the state of Missouri, USA, had a few weeks very cold weather for us. Low bottomed out negative 19 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. Anyhow, your trick worked perfectly in getting my snow thrower up and running. Many thanks to you Mr. Simons.
I have 3 Toro mowers with the Suzuki 2 cycle. Being piston ported, they definitely have a different sound than the reed valve Lawn-Boys. I forgot to mention, another item that can cause a 2 cycle not to start is bad crankcase seals. A backfire can blow the seal right out of the block.
thank you Jeff Pittel
There is one of these in the junk pile at work. I crushed 10 other mowers yesterday but for some reason I can't bring myself to do it to that one. Possibly aquisition in progress....
Do it. Its a great mower.
Wow, I never knew mild gasket damage could be such a serious issue!
pretty amazing.
Thanks a lot!! This video helped me get my old Suzuki mower started again. It's been with us for over 20 years and it just won't die ;) Well, sometimes it does, but it starts up again and those gaskets are definitely contributing
no problem!
Go toro!!! I love toro, toro is the best lawn mower brand.
Toros are definitely pretty good mowers.
Home Garage my dad has one it’s a toro recycler it starts really good and runs good
They are really long lasting mowers for sure.
Back in the day it was toro commercial 2 cycle and they still are the best. Some things in the late 1990s were built in a way that would just be too $$$ now. For example golf clubs. The top irons back then were the big Bertha tungsten titanium irons , they were large irons made of solid titanium, which is too light , so to make it swing good and get under the ball they have a tungsten insert built into the bottom of the club face. These clubs cost 1999.95$ back then, that would be like paying 3284$ for a set of irons 3-pw. And since then we have not seen any major leaps on tech, similar to computers. Yes they get smaller faster and mass adopted, but no new type of computers or tech. Hell even movies are mostly just remakes. America is the land of innovation , but at this point we need some invention injected into society as well!
I would love to see more on this type of mower. I just picked up a similar one. Toro 20864. Maybe a new fuel filter on there.
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it. You and me both. A lot of people don't have this type of mower anymore.
just put a 1/4 inch one on mine
I have one. Killer sounding engine. Pull rope stuck.
Thanks. This was exactly what I needed to know to get my ancient Toro GTS 5 running again! Great video!
thank you for the comment i appreciate it.
Great video buddy I've been using these Toro commercial mowers for a long time and I took your advice and my Suzuki Toro runs today😀
@@dougiapalucci9736 nice work. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
I repair all mower brands for dried out carb gaskets on mowers by using and spreading grease on them for reassembly to get a seal. I do this only on dried out leaking gaskets not cracked on torn. Those are replaced
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it
Damn good idea. I’ll have to try that.
Just picked a Rover with the same engine, although no primer bulb. Starts with fuel down the cylinder but does not fun after that. I’ll check what you say and see how it goes. Cheers…👍🇦🇺👍
Nice pick, and thank you Steve Findlay
I am pretty sure this is the exact same engine as the one in my 1996 Toro Powercurve snowblower. It is a pretty good engine and has decent fuel efficiency
yes its an extremely good engine just old now.
Yes same engine. I have a 1991 Recycler with Suzuki 2-cycle, and my Father has a 1998 Toro CCR 3000 snowblower with 5hp Suzuki 2-cycle. I used to think my 2004 Toro CCR 3650 snowblower with 6.5hp R-Tek 2-cycle was the better snowblower, but this year I used my Father's Suzuki powered 3000 to clear 12+inches of wet snow and it never bogged down, and it is a lighter more manageable machine vs my 3650. The CCR 3000 is now my favorite single stage snowblower, with the 3650 being a close second. Suzuki > R-Tek
Great video! I love the detail as you work through the issue. As I was watching I couldn’t help but wonder if it has a reed valve. That was my next guess but looking now I think it maybe a piston port motor.
Thank you for the comment briantii I appreciate it
I have the same problems with a b&s pro series 175cc 7.75.
went from a e3 .20 to a champion plug with a narrow gap, started on the second pull, mowed the front, but when I stopped it and started it agian for the backyard it didn't start.
what model mower do you have? do you have to prime the carb or is it the type you just pull without priming?
@@HomeGaragechannel troy bilt tb350xp no prime needed just pull, and auto choke with muffler gets hot. New plug, new air filter, cleaned carb jet, and checked flywheel key
@@DUBMANS I suspect that the auto choke is the problem. Next time when it happens take off the air filter and see what the choke flap is doing. Is it closed or open.
Excellent video! Well explained and camera clarity. Iam working on mine right now!👍😎
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it. I hope it works out for you
@@HomeGaragechannel it all worked out great! Runs like a top! Thank you!
@@johnthorp4546 I'm glad to hear it. Thank you for the update I appreciate it.
Thanks for the video. Just picked one up for $20. Need to see if it has spark, otherwise I suspect maybe the same issue.
good luck with it and thanks for the comment I appreciate it
@@HomeGaragechannel do you know if it requires a special spark plug? Or will any mower plug do?
@@MrJeepsterman I wouldn't call it special but it does require a specific spark plug. Call a local lawn and garden place and tell them what you have. They will tell you what plug it requires and if they have one.
your simple answer was that the several gaskets could be replaced or repaired with sealant. And it started right up after you verified ann the small holes were cleared and airtight gaskets may be the fix. It is usually 'something simple or stupid' as my workmate used to say about mainframe computer problems that popped up. It could be the same thing here
You are correct. It was a simple silly problem that was difficult to diagnose.
I just picked up an engine for my 22043 commercial 21 model. Very similar to this one. Mines been sitting for about 6 years. I noticed the bottom of it is disassembled. I think I have all the parts, but the blade brake doesn’t look right. Also, the transmission is now stuck in 3rd. Wish me luck!
Hope you can get it working again. good luck
When removing the nuts for the air filter, sometimes the stud will loosen out with the nut, therefore that can break the seal or worse?
Quite possibly
I've seen clogged muffler cause a no start.
That machine sounds very nice.
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it very much
we have tried so many things, like getting a new carburetor, and checking the compression
So the fuel valve is open at the bottom of the tank? It could also be your gas cap. Next time you start it try cracking the gas cap. The air vent might not be working.
@@HomeGaragechannel alright
@@HomeGaragechannel we don't have a fuel valve on ours
@@sambo5029 interesting.
@@HomeGaragechannel ya that was one of the things I wanted my dad to get
Just age for those gaskets worked on one of these it was an awesome experience for the age of this mower got it from someone who sed they repair them he could not get this one to work a nice thing the Deck doesn’t rust
I repaired it and sold it
Nice work Efrain Vazquez
Me again. I took the Carburetor off and the studs are stuck in the block. Got one out and am terrified of snapping off the other stud. Carburetor is off and the jet from the top doesn't have the hole through it from the bottom. Looks sealed over. Don't know if there is supposed to be a hole at the top of that jet? Mine closed off on both ends. The Mower will not idle smooth at all.
yours must have a different jet setup then,.
@@HomeGaragechannel OK, so the idle jet has no hole. Was manufactured wrong. I spoke to the original owner and he said the Engine never idled when new and the Dealer "said it was normal". My carburetor has a stripped end on the emulsion tube and corrosion. Welded in I bought a new carburetor $$$ and then bought a new Idle jet specified for the 5.5 HP. The main jet I couldn't find. The Main jet the new Carb came with is a 72.5. Toro tells me it should be a #75. The old Carburetor has no number on the Main jet. Do you know if a #72.5 would run a richer mixture than a #75? I had a Lawn Boy for years (30) and it leaned out and the engine seized. When I tore it down, the main jet was mostly plugged and She starved for fuel and oil. I'm trying the Suzuki at 40:1. Using Echo 2-cycle oil. Maybe something is better for lube? Thanks a million for your great instructional video. I just need to find out if the 72.5 Main Jet would run on the Rich side instead of the lean side. My mower also has the while corrosion around the Chute.
I hoped you might help me. I have the same mower, just bought it since I miss my old one. It's in very good condition with very little wear, stored about 3 or 4 years according to previous owner with no gas in it. The carb looks brand new inside, but the mower at first almost felt siezed. I pulled the plug, sprayed some wd40 and was able to get a few cycles before it binds up again. It does have spark, clean fuel and the primer works. You just can't physically turn the motor fast enough to potentially start it. Its not the pull cord assembly itself as it does it with a manual cord wrapped around, but if you spin the blades, it cycles without any issue except normal compression. It's almost like when you pull the cord it has way too much compression so much so that you can't turn it over. Any suggestions? I much appreciate your knowledge on these fine engines.
I appreciate your description of the issue, it was very well explained. Can you do me a favor and remove the top engine cover? I want to make sure the flywheel brake isn't still engaged when you squeeze the brake handle. If the brake is still engaged, it would extremely difficult to pull the rope.
@@HomeGaragechannel wanna know what I did? I'm almost too embarrassed to admit, but maybe someone can learn from my mistake...my last 2 stroke was a non commercial model with the blade clutch....I didn't have to hold the kill bar to start...I spent a hour at the sellers home dinkering around and didn't realize till I got home what I had done. If the bar is not squeezed, it will do everything I explained. Once you follow basic operating instructions, it starts first pull after sitting for 3 years. I'll post a quick short to show you if you are interested. It's exceptionally nice cleaned up, I'd guess around 100 hours. Cream puff, runs great, needs nothing. I want you to know I appreciate your reply just the same. Thank you!
P.s. The seller didn't realize either, guess it had been too long. They soldnitbfor a song and now I feel a bit guilty.
@@HomeGaragechannel Had I not figured it out before I saw your post, what you said would have made it click also, so great explaination and diagnosis you offered. 👍 I actually found another person with the exact same symptoms, including that the blade turns normal, bit pulls so hard... I'd bet money I'm not the first to make this stupid mistake.lol
@@allaboutroofing2 heck I've made mistakes too, we learn from them. thanks for the update
@@HomeGaragechannel I uploaded a 15 sec short of the mower a few minutes ago. Would love to know what you think of it. Thanks again. Subbed and liked.
Good video. So the carb would not come off without removing the studs?
If you can remove the choke and the governor linkage then you don't have to remove the studs.
The carb can be removed without unscrewing the Studs. There are 2 bolts holding on the throttle mechanism, remove those, and the linkage will be loose enough to undo, and carb will come off.
Great video.....I was wondering if you or your viewers had any thoughts on what could be causing my 97' toro super recycler to leak oil on the front deck. It has a Briggs and Stratton 6.5GTS. Starts and runs good, But leaks pretty bad after an hour of mowing.
Appreciate the help.
I will be watching more of your content!
thanks I appreciate that. As far as the leak, have you tried cleaning that area, then see where the leak might be originating from? My guess would be the Sump gasket, where the sump bolts up to the block. Another location is the plate that covers the valve springs. It has a gasket there too that can leak towards the front. The plate can be seen once you take off the muffler.
Nice job man. I had a couple sheared flywheel keys this week, so that would have been my guess.
That's a really good guess too. Thanks for the comment.
I've had a few where there didn't seem to be much noticeable kickback. I'm just saying that I would have checked that first, not thinking it could be gaskets
You're right it doesn't have to kick back that hard to to have a sheared key. Thank you.
I had I a really nice curb side craftsman mower, was mowing 2 days ago and motor locked up because they never cut the oil ports in the mains from factory..so I stripped and separated all the parts and brought it in my to scrap pile..too bad I really liked it ..should of fixed it but I saved alot of good parts..i find about 6 of them a year
wow I've never seen that before. I will be getting a craftsman in soon and I'll have to take it apart and see if its the same problem. Thanks for the comment.
If the rest of the mower is ok, then a Briggs Quantum engine (or vice versa with Tecumseh) from that era will often bolt on and use the same adapter with blade.
It mowed all last summer fine,,but locked up 2 days ago..so I got my free honda out
@@jacoblang2712 A Honda? Nice. Now you're all set for mowing. Well, I guess a cold beer could make it even better.
@@999thenewman it's in good shape ,but there so common in my area out to the curb ,I just scrap them and keep the good parts off them ..took a truck load of old motors in last week and got 15 cents a pound of irony aluminum..made 150$ . They just don't make them to last..less you build your own ..or go through them like I shoulda
Great video. Appreciate you taking the time to make it.
i appreciate your time too thanks
should see the old 1930s briggs roto tiller I found in my shed when I bought the house. I brought it back to life and its a monster. minus the busted wheels
Hey man I got a Toro commercial mower I put the carburetor in the coil still won't crank?
its a 2 cycle like the one in the video then? I would do a compression test to make sure the piston rings aren't worn out.
Yeah,I don't know because the gaskets that I made for my dads Honda lawnmower I use over & over again but I have no problems with !
Nice work
Hi
I have one exactly same with your , I clean up carb, new spark plug
But too hard get starting up
Sometime it ran ......
Maybe the swing arm oil seal is leaking?
And if replacement, I don't know what size for that
And where I can Buy it
Do you have video for that problem on you tube ?
thanks
Thank you Vinh Le for the comment I appreciate it. I'm not sure what the "swing arm oil seal" is?
You made it, you’re the man
Thanks Uni Sol
I read thru the comments and didnt see anything so take a look. Alot of the lawn guys use the cheap two stroke oil in gallon jugs. The carbon from this oil will literally fill in the exhaust port. Every few years, pull the muffler and knock the carbon out with a popcycle stick, blow the dust out with your air line. Good for another few years. Running these at 32:1 seems to be better than 50:1.
yes you are correct
there was no spark arrestor screen to burn clean?
I didn't check for one.
Man that’s a great fix, I’d like to have one.
They are great mowers. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
@@minimum4418 thanks for the comment I really appreciate it
What's the deal with a 2 stroke lawn mower ?wouldn't a 4 stroke be more reliable? Is there a advantage to 2 over 4?
yes no oil changes
@@HomeGaragechannel ok thanks 👍
@@garofalo1707 no problem
Biggest advantage is when mowing terrain that’s not level. Oil/gas mix provides better lubrication.
@@robstone5333 you are absolutely correct.
we have 2 toro 21 suzuki 2 cycle but one starts but goes up and down in rpm what do you suppose would be the problem
It's either an air leak at an seal or gasket or it's surging because its not getting enough fuel.
@@HomeGaragechannel I try thanks
sorry I'LL try
@@HomeGaragechannel that was one of my Ideas
@@sambo5029 excellent let me know.
Why not put fuel into the cylinder directly? Sometimes the carburator can be completely plugged so that fuel can't pass through
Yes that works too
I've been there... Damn gaskets
I hear ya. Thanks for the comment.
I went through this whole ordeal on my personal pace and found the cord on the left of the handle was off. Put it back on and voila, it started. Now I have a new corroborator. Came with all new gaskets and it was cheap enough to just replace it.
that's exactly what I would have done too. Thank you Ann
My is make exploccion when i turn on can you tellme what make explot mey be carburator?
Is the same model as the one in my video?
Ues dame i think meu be the coil but i not shore
Yes i think may be a bad coil but i dont know
@@juancortez9643 when was the last time it was running?
Home Garage i bought this lawn more for same body i don’t know for how long was in the garage is start good but after a minute start make explosive i trial difrent carb but doing same thing
My first two stroke mower I've ever seen
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
That was scarey, I thought such a great machine wouldn’t start after all that. I wonder why it didn’t start in the beginning even though it had compression, spark, and fuel.
The fuel wasn't making it's way into the engine. Thanks for the comment
That's a Bad boy, love the Suzuki engine.
Me too. Been looking for an affordable one.
One of my old lawn mowers is all locked up, No way I can start it, What should I do?
Do you happen to know how it Locked up? Was it running and locked up or has it always been Locked up since you've had it? I would spray some WD40 or some sort thing oil into the cylinder and let it set.
@@HomeGaragechannel It was a used mower and was gonna happen sometime anyway. I haven't used it in a while because it was starting to smoke a lot. I'll look into it tomorrow, Thanks for the Suggestion!
no problem
Great video! I was wondering how to get the carburetor off. Thanks!
no problem
@@HomeGaragechannel Hello I have a couple of these I'm resurrecting. What would cause such a hard kick back when starting? Once I get her going it starts surging after about 15 or 20 seconds
That compression tester you linked is that the one you use? Will it work on mowers, and various different small engines like leaf blowers, trimmers, and snow throwers?
it's the new one that I bought earlier this year, however I dropped and it's off now so I had to buy another one. Yes it will work on most small equipment except the one's that use the small spark plugs.
@@HomeGaragechannel Thanks, I surely could use one!
@@cdos9186 no problem
does the compression test have anything to do with these possible air leaks thru the gaskets? ie if compression is that high cant we assume its not these gasket air leaks? or are these not related?
Thanks for the comment . The compression test is testing the top end of the cylinder and not the gaskets outside of the engine. Leaking gaskets on the intake wouldn't effect it.
Hi where did you get the pressure checker and attachments? Thanks for the upload great vid
I would get them from harbor freight or Amazon
Hi I have a important question. So I have a lawnboy duraforce and whenever I let go of the top handle to shut off the engine it screeches really loud unless I slowly release the handle bar. This means the flywheel break is worn. But is there any way to fix that. Like can that part be replaced, can WD40 fix it, and where even is it located
I'll have to check to be sure but the flywheel break needs to be replaced and wd40 will not fix it. The break should be under the flywheel.
Question:why didn’t you close the choke butterfly to start?
you do you mean at time stamp 6:30? if that's the time you're talking about, it's because I put fuel into the carbs throat, it doesn't need anymore fuel.
I had a question, I have a toro turfmaster that has the fj180v engine. It’s only a year old but when I turn it off after using for awhile it does not want to start, after quite a bit of pulls it will kinda sputter on then go to normal. What do you think?
what I would do, would be to run, let it get hot, and then shut it off. Then try and start it, and if it does it again, I would remove the air filter and then squirt some fuel into the carbs, throat. If It starts immediately ,then it's a carb issue, But if it's still hard to start, then you could have a spark plug issue, or the valve lash is off and needs to be adjusted.
@@HomeGaragechannel thanks very much
no problem.
I had one of those ,best mower ever made.
yes I agree with you.
I love how he said there was nothing in bowl but there where
change the gas and change the oil. I had a lawnmower that would only start when the oil level was correct. I have a motorcycle that will not start if the fuel sits for a few weeks.
Thanks for the tip
It's a 2 stroke there is no oil to change, maybe I need to change the oil in the mixed gas 🤭
MyToro TV 5002 engine stalls when hot after 10 minutes and dies and only starts again when cold?I have spark.What could it be?
Replace your gas cap, to test this out, next time it dies and won't start up, open the gas cap for a 10 seconds, then try and start it.
Man, it look's like that sparkplug came off the titanic !
I agree with
Thanks!
thank you so much for the Super Thanks, I appreciate it a lot!
Your more than welcome.
I love this channel. Awesome fix. You rock. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you RayFpv for the comment I appreciate it.
I want one of these so bad. Been advertising for one and no luck. Out in the Portland Oregon area.
good luck, these are pricey when you find them.
@@HomeGaragechannel OK, just bought this exact Mower TODAY!!! So mine is a 2000 Model and the Owner bought it new for $1300. He used it until 2004 and then hired a company to take care of his yard. He moved from Oregon to Arizona and left the Mower at his Dad's home in Oregon. They wanted $300 for it but let me take it for $225. It looks pretty good except the bag is worn on the sides where it rubbed on the handle. It runs but will not idle. At idle, the RPM is all over the place and almost stalls. I would like to purchase a new Cloth Bag but do not know if any parts are available? Out here, the GREEN Biden people freak out if you run a 2-cycle anything. We are not either one. The next door neighbor told me to shut off that smelly mower. It is a propelled model and has the blade clutch. Thanks for the video and if you can advise me on where to get parts or how to fix the idle, that would be helpful. Thanks again!
I was right with you but would probably have pulled the blower housing to check for rats and rust on the mag. I hardly run into a bad plug but it's not impossible. Thanks and BLESSINGS!
makes good sense
@@HomeGaragechannel I try but poverty and desperation help a lot too.
Does that style of deck mulch good and do you think those 2 cycle suzuki engines are any good? I’m looking at an older one on offer up right now. Im thinking about buying it.
I be honest, if it had a mulching blade, it will be just okay as a mulched. The reason is that I feel that deck was meant to work best as a catcher. I would get a super recycler, with Suzuki, if you can find one. otherwise a kawaski will do.
Love love love these Suzuki toros!
Me too. Great machines. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
absolutely cannot get the studs removed :
Instead of double butting it try 3 nuts.
@@HomeGaragechannel I gave up because I stripped the stud a little :(
@@MattGalles oh that's a shame.
@@HomeGaragechannel luckily it wasn't stripped so bad and I was able to tighten the carb and air filter. I ended up bending the carb linkages to remove it. Cleaned it up and it started no problem. Thanks for the video :-)
@@MattGalles oh good. You did a great job. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
First thing you should have done take plug out check for spark, put some fuel directly into cylinder put plug back in and tried it.
When you have a weak spark it can be due to flywheel having rust on it, fixed a few motors with this problem.
Thanks
@@HomeGaragechannel Your welcome, by the way flywheels are Aluminum so its only the little magnet in the flywheel that rusts and needs to be sanded clean, sometimes the ignition coil can also rust on the two contact points take it off and also clean from rust, best way to get perfect gap when installing the coil is by using some Corn flakes cardboard or similar as shim.
@@fullboostturbo1 I like the cardboard idea
Where can I order the gaskets ?
amazon should have them. Otherwise go to ereplacementparts dot com and order them there
holy cow I just checked the psi on our new mower which is the same one and it was at 117
Yes its very healthy.
Wait did you use premix fuel? Does this motor us mixed fuel? I just got one that won’t start
Yes, it even says 2 cycle on the recoil. Good luck on yours. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Home Garage oh dang. That’s why it only ran for 2 months previous owner used clean gas
Home Garage what do you recommend I do?
@@stickytarmacs i would look into rebuilding it but of that's too much money for an old machine or not your cup of tea then put it on the curb so someone can use it for parts.
I have the same problem with the bridges Stratton I work for almost 2 hours to find out the problem ;)
Good work. Gaskets... who would have thought.
dang you've worked on this mower alot.
actually it's not the same mower. one has paint missing the other doesn't
and yes I do work on them both quite a bit as the owner is pretty bad at taking care of them.
I have the same mower, but now I'm having a problem with an intermittent spark. Any suggestions?
yes it's either your brake cable, kill switch or the ignition coil. Remove the top cover and make sure the kill switch is clearing the kill switch when you close the brake cable.
@@HomeGaragechannel Yes I unhooked the coil groung And I'm not getting any continuity between the coil and plug wire. So I'm thinking that plug wire is bad and directly hooked to coil
gotcha, are just going to replace it?
@@HomeGaragechannel If I can find one, maybe
that would have driven me nuts trying to figure that one out.
it was a head scratcher for sure
The ignition coil
thank you for the comment
Nice mower, I like it Thank you for the video
Thanks for watching!
i have 1 of these mowers but mine is self propelled and early 1990's i am rebuilding the 2 stroke engine.
nice, and that's one great mower, good luck with it,
do you use marketplace
yes I do
Regression testing is annoying but ya gotta do watchya gotta do
You are absolutely correct
I just bought 2 of these and love the im gohna rebuild the motor on one of them
nice Cujo fire, did you get at a good price then?
@@HomeGaragechannel yes I got them super cheap one was home owner used so.it in good shape the one im rebuilding Is pretty rough all I really need is rings and upper and lower seals right?
@@cujofire594 you might need new needle bearing. Once you get in there you should be able to tell.
@@HomeGaragechannel ok cool ill have a look i ordered those parts had a hard time finding the lower seal where do you order parts from?
@@cujofire594 I use ereplacementparts dot com
Brilliant video well produced no nonsense
thank you
Good work 👍👍👍👍👍
thanks for the comment I appreciate it
That gives me a good idea what to look at on mine
I hope it works out for you.
Should not take more than 2 pulls.
Probably.
I have this mower but it’s a 2013 model and it’s got the 4 stroke Kawasaki engine, starts first pull still to this day
nice machine thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Two-cycle engines are such a pain in the butt, I won't even fool with them.
I hear that from a lot of people.
2cycles rule
Nice fix!!! Great job!!!
Thank you man I appreciate it.
I also have a echo gt 1100 it starts and runs for like 5 seconds then it dies
I've tried a lot of things replacing a bunch of parts I think the motor is sick
check the compression.
@@HomeGaragechannel ya I did do that it was pretty good for such a small motor 62 psi
@@sambo5029 have you replaced the carb yet?
@@HomeGaragechannel no not yet we kinda have other things on our mind, like the mower
I hate to say it, but that’s one cool old mower.
oh yeah,, it's really cool. thank you Andy Hamilton.
Great job 👍 my old Toro 2 cycle Suzuki can be really finicky with spark plugs. I pretty much have to replace it every season or it's really hard to start.
Thanks for the tip. I'll have to remember that next time.
same with ours
Same with mine
how about fuel filter
Yes, that's also a good idea to replace.
Seriously, get yourself a tube of blue Hylomar, it's a Rolls Royce invention and it never sets, it's thick enough and gooey enough to seal leaks and not flow out of the joint but you don't have to wait for it to dry, 'cos it doesn't. Used it for decades on cars and bikes.
Good work 👍👍👍👍👌 love it ❤️ ❤️❤️❤️❤️ super nice 👍👍
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it
I have lawn boy with a big tank on it like that I fixing it up
how's the project going?
@@HomeGaragechannel good I getting new card and other things
Those particular two-stroke Toro commercial lawn mowers are hard to start when they get so old
yes you are correct