Louise Upston: Benefit sanctions, 90 day trials, and National’s plan for welfare | Q+A 2024
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2024
- Social development minister Louise Upston joins Q+A live to talk about the new government’s plans in welfare, with a rise in unemployment predicted in the coming months
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These politicians should be on a 90 day trial then, you're fired!
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All of the left would be gone
^ our boy thinks he's in America 😂🤣😂
Getting the disabled work ready is total madness and delusional. I work with many of these people, and most couldn't under any circumstances do this. They hardly survive life
This is what's really ****ed about this. Sick and disabled people will be hit even worse then people on jobseekers. The pension benefit.... wow the one benefit that's NOT means tested is being left unaffected. Utterly unbelievable levels of horribleness from this coalition. If poor people are "bottom feeders" then this government are scum suckers.
You are right. Good thing that it was never suggested in the video
@@monda111111you are right. It's not suggested, it's outright said.
I just rewatched and saw at 1:20 she did say what you are saying. I stand corrected. That is a crazy stance she is taking. Apologies!
@@monda111111 No worries. So glad you're actually somebody that can acknowledge their mistake and learn from it. It's an extremely rare virtue these days. Take care.
“I was on the dpb as a solo mum and I know how tough it is, and so I want to make it more difficult and harder for other people” Louise Upston
She got off it. That's the point
@@jizzlipps absolutely.
Their life will be much more difficult the longer they stay on welfare
@@jizzlipps that's not the point at all though. The point is that there is no evidence 90 day trails are effective, and there is evidence that they are easily abused by employers.
@@jame2433 I think we are not talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the benefit being a short term support for people in need, with the long term goal being to get into work and support yourself. You are referring to 90 day trials.
Can't even read failed policy they commissioned under previous Nat Govt. Talking to a few employers is not evidence.
She said she was on a benefit, and it was the hardest time of her life, so she wants to make it harder for those people?
How does National have so many vile people in office.
she's just another liar like most of National lap puppies .....
Remember how the bible warned against witches? This time we're not allowed to touch them:(
Paula Bennet,youre back!!
No It's Jenny Shipley !
An increase in sanctions will see an increase crime.
Exactly and Prison would seem a good option as you get all your basic needs at a cost of $2,000 a week to the tax payer...much more than a benefit is.
The opposite happened under Labour. Theft has dramatically increased over the last few years.
@@adelekelly455you don't want to go to jail. Just saying.
@@Kult365 No, I wouldn't want too, but wouldn't bother some people.
@@adelekelly455 no-one that I've heard of has ever liked jail TBF. Also, prisoners in NZ "get" about $1.80 worth of at cost food per day. The 2k figure is extrapolated from operational costs around that person.
If she actually believed what she said at the end there, they would have to significantly raise benefits, and then they would also have to significantly raise the minimum wage, because neither have kept up with worker productivity or inflation for four decades. But National have a record of having that gap widen more than Labour(even though it's been widening under both), and I don't see that changing this time around either.
Agree, the problem is the economic model itself is broken & now longer workable, business promise ever increasing payouts to shareholders in a system that has minimised costs every way that they can & now the only way to meet that promise of more money to the shareholders is to cut staff. And this is a self destructive philosophy as workers lose jobs they lose paying power so business lose customers which results in more jobs loses as businesses cut more services or goods to save more money. Loop continues. It is time we started thinking of a new way to distribute resources that DO NOT include money as that only goes upward to fewer & fewer people.
Her and her ilk don't 'talk to employers' or refer to evidence of past mistakes/ successes, they listen to lobbies. Completely detached from reality and they never consider the consequences because, to them, there is none.
And after govt, they work for China
Sorry man but China isn't the boogyman they've made it out to be. Want a villain it's the U.S, The same ones currently sponsoring a genocide.@@Al-oe8ib
Even I, as someone who supports the current government, found this insufferable beyond belief
National will get people off jobseekers at a time when unemployment already is expected to rise to deal with inflation, while giving landlords tax cuts... They're a party of, by and for the rich! Ruth Richardson 2.0
National gets things done, Labour falls!
@@roilhead okay?
@@roilhead Only for the rich, everybody else falls:(
You got what you voted for, don't act surprised.
As a taxpayer I am one of this governments EMPLOYERS, and I think we should send them back onto the unemployment line under the 90 day rule.
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Really😂
@@user-FUCKYOU18 Yes. PMs negotiations failed when he just bent over and gave it all.
E very body pays tax !
@@andreapenrice7181 Landlords don't
It didn't work for beneficiaries before and won't work now. 90 day trials exploit beneficiaries in warehouses, factories, hospitals as orderlies, or trades who aren't given full time work weeks, no holiday work hours to earn more, expected to be available so no secondary jobs to top up, mimimum wage, no future, no references, no voice. At the same time watch full time staff doing the same job get overtime, working stats on a higher wage. Employers maximise profit on slave labour. Poverty will increase and the poor just have to suck it up.
Under National government, international recruiting agencies actively seek backpackers for temping roles in offices on a higher rate than full time staff and after 11mths of full time temping get 100% of their taxes back. Councils and government departments are the highest users of temps. Why aren't they training to hire jobseekers instead of temps?
Finally, what about us that are on this benefit while waiting in line for surgery? Some have incurred major complications as a result of delays and covid continues to evolve and surgeries are meeting urgent targets only.
Sometimes employers hire people on casual contracts where they get no KiwiSaver contributions either. Obviously the employee could contribute but usually these jobs are part time and have zero long term security.
Can the minister say exactly why a 90 day trail will give employers the condifence in their own wise judgement? ( employees take a risk always)
Good point. If a person and read why train them. NZers born come first? Is this not what NZ First party is about.
@allisonlake4103 although casual jobseekers want to, they opt out because they can't afford contributions on minimum wages.
@roberthooker4970 It'd be common sense, but with National in the lead, it's a numbers game. Shuffling. Jobseekers are off the books during 90-day trials, and costs fluctuate. Rotating numbers. They go on TV and tell everyone they've solved unemployment. Jobseekers aren't given job security, just working a capitalist agenda, which is right-wing. Keeping people poor is profitable. It would be advantageous for Jobseekers to see a register of companies that actually employ people to full-time positions and those that turn staff over every 3 months. Jobseekers should also be given job specifications and references. Some are doing more than they were employed to do without acknowledgment.
Rant over.
The coalition agreement says that they will use evidence based policy. So far they have ignored and won’t release the evidence. Our country cannot go forward based on what angry voters want. Voter remorse has begun and totally understandable.
Yet they are flying in the polls?
Thats not what latest poll says love
I need your glasses because latest poll shows Act growing 5%.
@@houdinismith5613 are you talking about the Taxpayer Union poll?
@@reganpt1 curia poll that is highly accurate. Or do you prefer the election 'poll'
I was sanctioned and the details around the reasoning for it was dubious. To achieve targets, give more sanctions!
Sanctioning a beneficiary is creating poverty and crime, both cost far more.
Truer words were never spoken. When I was under the Jobseeker's label (as I had a doctor who wouldn't recognise my EDS as he (verbatim) "[didn't] think those syndromes really exist given how little they're diagnosed") one of the things I found out behind the curtain was that, under Paula Bennett's WINZ, case managers had a quota to fill to get clients of _every_ category off their respective benefit. Not into work or proper support, just _out of the system._ It's an agency whose restructuring resulted in the goal being denial or shedding of support above all else, and much like we see with police quotas, its first targets have always been the fairest game that even working kiwis will accept as a casualty, and so the disabled, particularly mentally ill maori and pasifika, are _wildly_ overrepresented. And we see this _everywhere._ Police brutality, housing discrimination, job offers shut out, medical negligence.
If I somehow survive the next three years, I am _praying_ we don't just go back to Labour's strategy of copying their UK counterparts by doing absolutely nothing in hopes that somehow appeases right wing voters enough to magically swing towards their centre right policy. The major parties treating disabled people as acceptable societal collateral to maintain the illusion of a status quo is unsustainable, and it won't be long until even more of us die.
Politicians should be sanctioned for not meeting poverty reduction targets!
12:46 I'm on Supported Living Payment, one of the highest paying forms of benefit, thanks to a combination of physical (including mental) disabilities. My income comes to ~11k a year. Not only is that not enough to live with dignity (I.E a living wage, roughly 60k a year), it's well below the line for _every_ measure of poverty line we have in this country. I have spent the last two years contending with the only affordable meal I can have every day under this wage- rice and beans, chicken if I'm _very_ lucky. I have to be careful not to put too much wear on my clothes; I can't even afford a pair of jeans. Sometimes I have to choose between starving or freezing. I don't get to go out and see my friends. Going to a bar, or café, or having to pay for a ride to and from somewhere to compensate for my disability is too expensive.
No. I don't feel dignified. Unless Louise Upston somehow magically finds enough compassion to consider a five-fold increase in my wage justifiable, I'm going to feel pretty inhuman.
I don't believe that your only income is $11,000 a year. Jobseeker, the lowest benefit is over $14,000?
@@stevejamieson2172 benefits aren't a single payment amount across every client? where did you get that idea
also generally really messed up to read someone's account of struggle and go "yeah that doesn't sound right"
So your sole income is $11,000 a year? You are entitled to more. Go and see them, you will be due backdated payments as well.
@@stevejamieson2172 i talked to a case manager about that when homeless, and the response from her was "that's not our problem and if you're struggling you'll just have to work through your disability or figure out a way to save better" so i'm skeptical that under the system preparing to pay less over time i'll get any headway but it's been a few years so maybe it's time to try my luck again
I really hope that the policies were well researched to look into what will help transition Benificiaries into work. Child care cost and transport when you are a solo Mother can be big negatives when starting a new job. Starting a new job, having to take time off for a sick child might mean you are not able to stay employed after 90 days
So because you didn't think through having kids and been able to provide for them, society now has to. you already dropped the ball.
How about the fix their phone system so that when you get a letter from them you can actually CONTACT THEM!
Before they start their sanctions
get a job love. its not society's fault you don't want to work. pay your own bills.
@@user-kt3bl8yh7w I had a job that I had to leave after a Cancer diagnosis thank you very much! Jerk!
As a tax paying NZer I’m not into punishing kids for their parents mistakes/bad decisions or increasing homelessness and crime.
bring back labour
These National ministers are not doing their homework. NZ is just going around in circles.
Yup then when labour gets back in it'll go back to how it was when they were in charge or a Little better lol
Even worse, they have other people doing their homework, and ignore it.
So let me get this straight, Louise's main goal is to get beneficiaries off jobseeker at a time when unemployment expected to rise... Ruth Richardson 2.0
Perhaps we should get rid of National since they're still within their 90 day trial?
Here we go again. Failed policies and increasing poverty
Another Jenny Shipley,Paula Bennet and Ruth Richardson
Most people on benefit’s are on low income job’s
No housing come on dream on
she has no idea. and thats the point
This is quite ironic as the RBNZ wants more unemployment before it can relax interest rates. In other words people are on the benefit because they are meant to be, and when the RBNZ relaxes interest rates employment will hopefully increase. That is if we don't continue to maintain the current immigration numbers. If we keep it up it is likely that it will be like during and after the GFC, where imigrants displace kiwi graduates (secondary and university) in entry jobs... Nationals attack on unemployment is out of wack and is politics, not economics.
She is making a fool of herself she doesnt understand she is violating human rights
This government gets off on bullying, punishing down and general cruelty.
Useless govt
Labour & national are both useless
huge difference between refusing to do something than to have the ability to do something.
They treat everyone as if they have all got the same minimal level of abilities.
Nats are bullies.
Mothers will end up in tents unless they get rents down real quick
Tents might give them that necessary reality check about personal responsibility
Ah well, maybe these woman pumping out kids like a baby factory can consider their choices.
Most of them are freedom campers now & others homeless in cars or vans
@@user-FUCKYOU18 that’s even better than a tent. Glad they’re not on the street. Where there’s a will there’s a way.
Good thing they're giving landlords tax cuts which will toootally push rents down, they won't pocket the savings at all!
I'm horrified by her lack of compassion and this is particularly evident when pressed about what would happen to children under that traffic light system. Basically they would be homeless, hungry and living on the street. We are talking about little bairns here!! What does that say about our society that this could ever be acceptable? The fact that evidence and research was presented to her about these schemes not working was met with an I know better response. And every area in government is expected to cut 6.5% of its workforce. In real terms that's 65 people for every 1000. That's someone's mother, father, sister, nana, son etc. These aren't statistics these are real people who as Jack pointed out will be unemployed and struggling to live with any sort of dignity. It's appaling...
Unfortunately my partner is one that will probably get made redundant , and there is bugger all jobs out there at the moment
I ve being in the trades along time now and pulling the pin is going to be scary but we are going to more than likely move to Aussie as easier for me to get work and better money
So in contrast to that, you are ok with the whole country going down the dunny, roads getting worse, economy getting worse, small businesses replaced with corporations that take the value of citizens over seas? That's the flip side of not having consequences for those that CHOOSE not to comply with society. You should have to provide in society to take from society, that is a rule of nature. Nothing gets without giving.
@@Scott_Bradbury Firstly, nothing about the user's statement suggests anything you asserted of them. It's like someone tweeted "I love waffles" and you replied "oh so you think all pancakes should be banned?", like... my guy. You just created a whole new sentence out of thin air to stick into the user's mouth. Secondly, that appeal to nature doesn't even make sense when archaeologically speaking, we have literal thousands of years of examples that hominids have been supporting disabled members of their communities before were even hominids and getting literally nothing material out of it. In fact, one of the bigger factors driving human evolution _is_ unconditional compassion. The mounds of evidence we have for that proves literally the opposite of what you're positing here.
@@Scott_Bradbury it isnt beneficiaries fault that the economy is bad, roads, business's and water is failing. that would be the people that make decisions on all those things, paying benefits isn't stopping those projects, bad management is.
@@eggsbox If you can't understand how my comment relates to their comment, then maybe spend a little more time on it before replying. The comment shows she cares about compassion of one person or a few people, over the majority. That looking after one person should be above an beyond what's best for the masses. Stating the interviewee has a lack of compassion because she want's what's best for more people, over what's best for a minority of people. My comment feeds off that point. With limited resources (reality) we can only have so much and the choice is, be compassionate and tow the line for those that are not contributing, through their fault or not, or, do what is best for the majority. I know which of these is better for a sustainable future.
Your statement about "Hominids". They have also killed each other endlessly, does that make it right? The reason common consensus as to why Hominids look after eachother is not because they get nothing out of it, it's because they are paying back that person for being a member of society. Someone who gives, not just takes. They also didn't have complex civilizations or taxes. In the modern age, we pay taxes and far to much, that it forces people into these bad situations because it is mismanaged. And a vast number of the people I am referring to do not pay tax, they do not provide value to society, and in past "hominid" societies they would not be looked after if that was the case. I'm not going as far as to say that we shouldn't look after them, but I am saying we should hold them accountable, there is plenty they can do to help the community in exchange for community support.
Unemployment was very low last year,Tourism, Hospitality,Horticulture etc were crying out for staff...Globally there is a cost of living crises,this is not attributed solely to the previous government, 2 wars running concurrently,the Chinese economy stalling etc..Why blame and victimize our most vulnerable?This is what National do,remember Paula Bennett?
Well her policy backfired her. For example, the Ashburton shooting incident.
Louise Upston needs to realise the growth in those numbers of unemployed is hugely contributed by covid, natural disasters and the population growth seen in New Zealand. New Zealand's population is growing far faster than expected, impacting almost everything. New Zealand's population is growing thanks to record levels of migration
Nonsense- employers have been screaming out for workers post covid
and it looks like 12,000 public sector jobs at a minimum
People seem to forget the biggest hurdle is getting past HR, many companies will screen these people.
@@dave24-73 This is the reason why you lie on your CV!
And there going to increase the unemployment by dumping a heap of government employees ,
At some point. This government should take the drivers wheel, and own it.
She would be more credible if she did her homework and answered the questions
Her support base doesn't care, they just love them some good Ole red meat Benny bashing.
Do employers get a govt subsidy to help pay the potential employees during the 90 day trial? They had a similar model in Australia during the 2000s. One of my friends who had mental health issues, worked at over a dozen places for the 90 days, and then was sacked. This made his mental issues worse. The employers will take the cheap labour and sack the people after 90 days. I hope this model is not the same as the Australian model.
it was under the previous 90 day trials here, id imagine it still is
Absolutely no compassion. National will only last one term.
Are you surprised, Luxcon made lots of promises while shy about real policy.
Expect the suicide rate to increase.
National ... Back on Neoliberal track ...Didn't work last time . And they have ordered treasury to ignore unemployment in their equations to run the books . Unemployment is good for business
7:37 Wild that the implication here is that Labour is responsible for the balloon in unemployment and not the massive increase in global inflation as well as the literal worldwide plague that lasted for three years before easing off.
You don't boost an economy by cutting costs, you spend in tough times and save when times are easy. National don't do seasons, just exploit the poor to give to rich winter or summer.
Yep... austerity nose dives an economy into recession.... Torys in full swing in the UK... now natcorp in NZ.
We have done this before with Paula Benefit and her culture of sanctions, hiding offices away and make them difficult to reach and we all new the sanctions because they were posted on walls, documents, directives to doctors, everywhere visiting Winz was like visiting prison, and the answer to everything was no. I'm permanently disabled, couldn't work if you paid me. No one is able to get me ready for work. I don't look disabled and see after myself but no matter how hard they try I can't work. I once worked, I worked hard for a long time. Nobody there cares, me and my friends will hunker down and wait for a change of Gov't. Not because we want to but because we have too. The last three National Governments have vilified all welfare recipients to the point there is no distinction between any of the main beneficiary types. They have sucked the goodness out of the words welfare and benefit.
I hear what you are saying. It sounds like you are in a similar position to me. It is an extremely difficult position to be in. I find it deeply hurts me when the National government go on their beneficiary bashing sprees 😢 🤗
People seem to forget HR departments will likely screen most these people on benefits, meaning they can apply but never hear back. That isn’t something an applicant can control.
This is the reason why you either screw employers by reporting it to the government or lie on your CV.
10:03 Tired rhetoric that even Labour voters eat up, but even a lot of beneficiaries aren't aware that they pay income tax, and the reason for that is that it's deducted by WINZ before payment is given, just as some employers have in-house accounting pay a worker's tax on their behalf instead of leaving it to the worker to handle on their own. The whole point of the "beneficiaries versus taxpayers" falsehood through framing is to position beneficiaries and other income earners against each other, so that focus is directed _away_ from governmental responsibility to _all_ of those people.
So stop immigration - close the doors to those being employed ahead of NZers.
That is the real problem in new zealand since John key left pm
I always hear "kiwis are lazy & useless " which is half true & it the company too.
@@user-FUCKYOU18 Funny how Kiwi's do better in Australia, why is that.
NZs productivity is in the higher quarter of OECD rates.
AGAIN THEY DONT HAVE THEIR NUMBERS READY LOL
Where I live there is no work. WINZ won’t pay for upskilling unless you get the job, that you can’t get until you upskill.
Live somewhere else
Consider lying on your CV?
@@houdinismith5613 with what money. come on man
You want them to rely on friends and family who are already doing it hard themselves. You expect friends and family to he able to support another family??? Wake up you silly woman
STOP THE MIGRATION & abolished RSE scheme altogether
Then company will depend on kiwis only ,NOT overstayers or migration.
This is a similar problem in UK
If we didn’t have overstayers as you so eloquently put it
this country wouldn’t function .Migration is currently
our only answer as “we as a nation” don’t put money
into education ,health .Put up taxes ,improvise capital
gains tax ,tax the wealthy .Put it back into houses 🏠
services and wages of “migrants as you put it!
We are all migrants on this planet 🌎
As an one arm amputee, getting work is more about luck, so glad I retire in four more years.
Clearly Luxcon is going to try drug testing beneficiaries again to make them work ready.
My advice is when getting any skills, move to Australia and get there citizenship in Four years.
NZ will be a low waged economy, gotta milk them cows cheaply.
Well done jack put her in her place
Wow , this doesn't sound good for people already having trouble with life .
You were in corrections as well did you consider education
housing ,jobs,literacy, resolving mental health problems
Oh but, then you’d have to look at the health system
Albeit mental health symptoms 😂
According to this government its okay for the benefits to decrease by $30 a week because of inflation and rents to increase by 10% ($40 plus per week) because of greedy property investors. 😎
Here's the key FACT that everyone has missed: NZ has the 16th highest labour force participation rate of any country in the world. Are there problems in NZ? Of course. Are these problems blown out of proportion by the media and opposition political parties? Definitely. National tends to decrease Government spending, while Labour tends to increase Government spending. This is the normal ebb and flow of democracy.
Exactly, meanwhile, let’s give the wealthiest NZers a Tax Cut?
Then why does National alwyas do the most borrowing? What do they do with it all?
@@user-xv1qt5st6n You should Google, Government Debt to GDP. There is a website called, Trading Economics, where all of the statistics can be reviewed (and compared with other countries). Essentially, Debt massively increased under Labour's Lange/Palmer/Moore, National's Key/English and Labour's Ardern/Hipkins, while Debt was paid off under National's Bolger/Shipley and Labour's Clark. Debt increased under Key/English due to Christchurch Earthquakes and under Ardern/Hipkins due to Covid-19. Overall, government debt isn't really related to the political party in power.
@@Al-oe8ib National's proposed tax cuts can barely be called tax cuts. It is tinkering at the margins. Here are a few points to consider: First, the wealthiest NZers do not spend much of their wealth. It remains in businesses that employ a million plus people. Second, the total amount of tax that the wealthiest NZers contribute is far greater than the amount contributed by everyone else. Third, the wealthiest people have the ability to reduce their tax bill irrespective of the rate that the government sets, because of high-priced accountants and lawyers. Fourth, the IRD found that the wealthiest people actually paid more tax as the rate was decreased in the late 1980s/early 1990s. As the tax rate is lowered, the wealthiest people didn't need to hire high-priced accountants and lawyers, and to engage in weird schemes to hide their income; it was cheaper to simply pay the tax. Fifth, the wealthiest people are more internationally mobile than the average person. They can go to another country if NZ's tax rates are too high. Sixth and lastly, the wealthiest people consume far fewer government services than the rest of us. They use private education and private healthcare, for example. It is only fair that they aren't asked to pay a ridiculously high tax rate. Remember, everything in life is more complicated than a political slogan may suggest.
@@user-xv1qt5st6n The ratio of Government Debt to GDP over the last 25 years shows that government debt isn't related to the political party in power. Debt massively increased under Labour's Lange-Palmer-Moore, National's Key-English and Labour's Ardern-Hipkins, while Debt was paid off under National's Bolger-Shipley and Labour's Clark. Debt increased under Key-English due to Christchurch Earthquakes and under Ardern-Hipkins due to Covid-19.
Help people into work by capping the number of people we allow to move here. One year ago we needed workers, it seems now we have overcorrected
Bottom line is getting a job and going to work if you can. For job seekers the benefit is a temporary support which is helpful.
The 90 day trial can work for the worker and employer, there are some companies out there who I would not want to work for, for various reasons. It's a way of shuffling around the worker to find a working environment that best suits the worker and employer.
Another criminal in charge
Nice up goes crime
What happens to the 10 - 12% of people with IQ's of less than 84, who are essentially untrainable. I'm always surprised that our unemployment statistics don't seem to reflect this cohort.
At what point does tough love become just straight sadism? I think we might see that line crossed.
How are you supposed to live with dignity on a benefit when you have police on a salary using a food bank! The only way to live on a benefit in nz is crime.
Professionals are moving to Australia, watch the level rise over Luxcons term.
Your not supposed to live on a benefit. It's a short term hand out until you can get on your feet and get a job.
@@emmittrock Is it cheaper to just put them prison, because that creates jobs, right,
@@greggiles7309 thats an interesting approach but if that's what you think then good on ya. Seems a bit off track though.
Scanactions is equal discrimantion
It is a known fact that 4% of the "workforce" is unemployed at any given time. Many people are disabled, for having one or more of a hundred afflictions, but I agree with 90 day trials as a prosective employee can document the way an employer may abuse the 90 day trial period and employers are more likely to give someone a chance.
Oh dear..here we go again
My last employer (that was bought out by an overseas company 4 years ago & shutdown in February) made machines for sorting & packing crops used the 90 day trial to NOT employ permanent workers, they used the SEASON WORKERS excuse to get around employing full time workers, one guy was a 90-Day-Trial worker for 21 months, worked for nearly 90 days then let go for a month or 2 then called back, nearly 2 years on 3 month trials which was not allowed. So Companies will use the 90-Day-Trial to get workers when needed then let them go when they don't to keep costs down. The reality of the Current Economic Times IS THE NEW REALITY, jobs loses WILL increase with NO NEW jobs coming due to automation.
16:58 This is a _wild_ way to try and spin the opinion that people do not and should not live with agency or opportunity unless they can be used for production. The implications this has for disabled beneficiaries are dire. I, for one, don't enjoy being treated as less than human (let alone a second class citizen) because of an immutable trait which puts me at a physical/mental disadvantage to others. The next three years are going to be so, _so_ bad for the disabled people in your community, Aotearoa. Support us, because our government sure as hell won't.
The NZ govmint needs to place more resource into training our own people into the trades and skilled work professions; instead of getting imports in at cheap rates. This, in turn, will help keep young people off the dole.
National will put or force people to do courses then say they are employed. My daughter did courses for years. I apply for her to work at my job at the time. They could not hirer her cause she was over qualified. So i go to a winz with her to a work seminar. Omg my daughter was told infront of others unemployed people, was that she did not want the job. I said excuse me. You just told everyone to go to course and get qualified now you tell my daughter that she did not want the job and that she should not put all her qualifications and certificates that she worked for a higher income on her application. Stupid. Contradictions here it comes. You must remember national not all businesses may not hirer people and they dont have to just because you say all business will hirer every unemployed person. People are promised jobs from around the world they come here and still not have a job and are still waiting. One job had 2000 applications so your expections are off this planet. Our visitors from around the world yous promise jobs to them they are being use and abuse by the government and the people who hirer them.
pay extra for children care and transport so they can go out to job interviews. But the main thing are there good job out there for every one that's been the long time hidden issue
No evidence full of it as usual no homework done or planning
Well done Jack… fantastic presenting with facts, reality and lack of bias… wish we had more of you to report and present in Aotearoa-NZ today - thanks 👍🏻🙏
So Jack doesn't believe in responsibility or consequences
Okay I know some employers don't hire older people and they are very picky on who they hire especially in Dunedin this also needs to be changed you want to well start hire people instead of putting people down
Come get a job for 90 days...on day 89 we will let you go and get another lot in and do it all again...
BULLSHIRRRRRT!!!!!
Exactly there aloud to do it as much times as they wish ! employer has all the power now
@Nzborn Wish we could give this government a 90 day hiding...😆
Great interview Jack- Keep pressing hard.
Great except when you are one of their victims.
For pete's sake Louise Upston but where our the jobs and stop blaming Labour there are no decent jobs
Milking cows.
Since when did we start thinking that being on the benefit should be dignifying?
How dumb is the new winz minister😂😂😂
90 day isnt effective, especially being employed and being shat on.
Far to many on the unemployment benefit waste their money on alcohol, tobacco and drugs and i'm talking about single people
Benefits are not from people paying taxes it's from the resources from the land. The Politicians are on Benefits then they just adopted a different word: "Salary"
"We don't have a clue about targets"
Intriguing that she worked for corrections 😂
This is disgusting, this government is like a nightmare
Your nightmare is my dream!
@Neil3488 Is that so, the mind boggles😉🤭, wet dreams are they, you must get off on sadistic behaviour 😂😂😂
You must be another wanker then 😂
I'm on job seeker at the moment helping look after my old man since I have to go back to work he'll have to go into hospital level care which the government will have to subsidise which is $3000.00 a week approx.
In this case you should be on carer support, not job seeker.
@@michaelthomson9461 carer support is a temporary subsidy
An absolute train wreck of an interview for Upston. Admitted her policy is based on a few yarns and hadn't bothered to read the only real piece of evidence about 90 day trials. Don't think she'll be back on this show any time soon 😅
I agree. Why are mean people so incompetent, I think it’s because they lack a part of their brain that’s called intelligence 😂
Like she said working has a lotmore benefits I totally agree with her
The problem here is that these changes affect what's called Jobseeker's Benefit (Medical Deferral). If someone is required to be prepared to work at all times as with this benefit's requirements as well as having to expend energy they don't have to prove they don't have the energy, they lose capacity to rest and recover, which can cause and (for some of my friends) _has_ caused what would have been a recoverable condition to deteriorate into a permanent disability. the goal of productivity at any time and any cost comes into direct conflict with the medical interests of the beneficiary. We can't just do yoga and decide we suddenly feel better.
It depends work can cause harm too.
National's Beneficiary Basher Jenny Shipley has been resurrected with . . . Louise Upton
Remember 'Dob in a beneficiary' TV ads. The closest we've had to the Gestapo
So as business shut down & downsize due to the WORLD ECONOMIC situation that NO New Zealand government can control or influence & unemployment continues to go up how does this government intend to REDUCE the numbers on or joining the ever growing list of unemployed? We are past the time in our evolution that work is needed to progress our society, it should now be automated freeing people to live a life free of the monotonous & repetitive tasks just to earn money to buy the ESSENTIALS of life. Governments worldwide are whipping a dying horse trying to get it to move faster. The current economic model is OUTDATED & paying unemployed people is becoming ESSENTIAL as EVERY business cuts staff.
Can’t be bothered reading reports
and I voted for this... madness😭
Respectfully I don't know why you voted NACT if you care about beneficiaries, they've been the right's go to scapegoat since forever
Oh wow - the social science is so frikken clear on this! How stupid can they be? Boring old national rhetoric - just completely ignoring reality - the science - and the harm they can do. We need to SUPPORT our people through hardship - that the only way.
The problem with National is too many employers wanting to cherry pick employees.
Great interview and we'll done for being prepared to ask the hard questions.
Employers will use them then let them go as soon as the trial period ends
I love how Jack pushes to get the answers 😂 answer the damn questions straight out lady🙄 sanction yourself
Appealing interview Jack.
My biggest issue with government parties is this arrogant idea that everyone else is beneath them and don't know what they're doing.
National does it, Act does it, NZ FIRST does it, Labor does it, they're all insufferably arrogant.
The truth is that this problem is a privileged problem. What I mean by that is that many 3rd world countries can't afford to pay their citizens welfare or are too corrupt to do so.
We are privileged enough to have a system that can afford it, but it creates a problem of laziness and of people who've been hurt to not want to go back.
I was driven to suicial ideation working for Mitre10, as consequence I had to leave following a mental breakdown at work being threatened my job, and once I got back instead of acknowledging matters and to help me, they moved to fire me in part to my mental breakdown.
So I asked to resign instead, so my resume didn't look so bad. They were nice enough to do that.
So, does jobs help mental health? Yeah, they can... but they can also stress you out so bad you want to pull the trigger in your mouth.
So I got put on the sickness benefit, and it took me a long time to feel safe and ready to go back to work... but then I was confronted by a new issue.
Back when I worked for Ritchies, I was earning less than I did on the benefit, so what incentive is there for anyone to work even part-time if what you get after tax is less than what you get sitting on your ass gaming?
That's why only old people drive buses because they get a pension too.
But if I do a full-time job, how long do I need to work at minimum wage to make what I do from job seeker support?
So what incentive is there to get a job if the time you could be spending at the gym, practicing your hobbies, learning new life skills, or job related skills using youtube instead of getting in debt through student loans, so you trade all that up to go do something you hate just to earn the same amount of money?
If I need to choose between working out and getting buff while getting paid by the government or doing a minimum wage job for all those hours and end up after tax with the same amount of money... what do you think is gonna make me look and feel better?
The real incentive is when you can go on the benefit and do a part-time job and earn double or more of what you get on the benefit alone, the real incentive is when the benefit covers the costs for food, petrol, rent, and general survival, but a job pays after tax double that part-time, and double that full-time.
So if you get $500 from winz, then winz with part-time should be $750, and part-time without Winz should be $1000, and full-time should be $2000, but currently it's more like $500, and part-time with winz $650, and part-time alone $447.5 and full-time is $825, so you only get $325 more per week slaving away on a full-time job.
Why would anyone want a full-time job when they're barely doing any better than a beneficiary who gets all day to do what they want and you gotta throw your life away and serve as a robot with minimal increase.
So how do you incentivize work, you make it worthwhile, not be punishing those without it but rewarding those who have it.
When someones imagination gets them excited to grind their life on something boring because at least they can afford a lot more than what they're currently getting.
You think, if I'm wise with my money I can save $10 per week, every month $40, by years end I've made $440 and I can buy *whatever costs $440* or you can get a a full-time job and but it 6 months from now and enjoy it for the rest of the year.
And then if you get a higher paid job than minimum wage, you can earn what a beneficiary save in a year in about 3 months... so who wouldn't want to work if that's how well paid they were.
That's incentive!
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