Libertarian Debate Summons Evil Bernie Sanders
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In this Majority Report clip, a libertarian caller debates Sam and thinks Bernie Sanders is the most immoral politician in America.
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All libertarians always end up arguing in favour of battles between militias.
They just wanna play so bad. Pew pew! You're dead now! Heehee! Oh, it wasn't as fun as they thought? Too bad there's no money back guarantee 😂
LOL Mad Max in real life!
@@darkrider962 without guns, we'd have call this feudalism
Every libertarian debate starts with “the last guy didn’t do a good job explaining libertarianism” 😆
Followed by the new guy (invariably a guy) arguing that the market would just work. Why? Because, it's a fact; it just works. And the cycle may begin anew.
@@HarryS77 todd howard: "it just works"
@@puffman06 And we all know how that worked out last time, don't we?
Why are the stupidest people the most confident?
Dunning-Krueger
@@glitterrylie2950 exactly 😂
They are dumb enough to believe that they have it all figured out
arrogance gives you confidence, not the good kind, but still confidence none the less
They don't know enough to know what they don't know, aka Dunning-Kruger.
“I don’t know what feudalism is...” three seconds later: “let me educate you guys”
Saying "the government is arbitrary" is like saying "people are arbitrary"
Every government is arbitrary. Money is arbitrary. Religions are arbitrary. Corporations are arbitrary, and our arbitrary government treats them as people.
@@justinp.9535 define arbitrary. What do you think that word means
I cannot speak for this person; however, I do agree with their statements about these things being arbitrary and am interested in fleshing out this topic so... My definition of arbitrary in usage is 'existing only by definition and axiom'. This expands to further things such as mathematics; however, we're more concerned with things like money and government.
Money is inherently arbitrary, it's worth is defined and the 'worth' of labors and products is axiomatically defined by those with power over the labor and product. This is one of the my favorite arguments for free healthcare- asking "why should the lives and health of individuals be based on competing companies fighting over an arbitrary concept like money?"
As for government, we can also see it being arbitrary like this- we define a set of people who create axioms or rules that we abide by with punishments defined within. Even judgements from the courts are largely an axiomatic exercise 'if the facts within the case fall within the conditions of this axiom, it is thusly applied. Else...' We can see within this administration the exploitation of how arbitrarily we define government. Congress requests a subpoena, the President ignores it and the underlying axiom, and then what? Well, we go to this other set of axioms relating to impeachment. But the enforcement is based upon Republican Senators applying the axioms properly which... Come on. So, if they don't, then what? Vote them out? Sure, but again, this is also an axiom. Trump has been floating a 3rd term- is a vote going to be sacred for him? Depends how far he wants to question our axioms, how far he feels he can justifiable go for his base. It's existence and enforement only exist by mutual consent.
Sorry for the long block, but the arbitrary accepted upon existence of these things and it's real world consequences are interesting to question.
@@denetherus7078 thats not what arbitrary means, and you're pretentious
And you asked what they thought arbitrary means because different versions of definitions are fun, eh? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He needs to move to a Libertarian country like Somalia, where the central government doesn't rule a lot of the country. Where the strong and wealthy run their own municipalities. The rest of the world calls them warlords but they are just Libertarians.
Yes! I should bring this up because Somalia is really the kind of society they want but don't know
I love how this guy keeps dodging questions while simultaneously claiming he's not being given the chance to answer the questions
libertarians just resent having to need other people and contribute to society on an equal level with everyone.
They are narcissists.
Grown man learns where money comes from
Does he though?
@@andersanders47 : Grown man _has an opportunity to learn_ where money comes from. 🤣
I’d respect libertarianism more if they just admit they don’t give a rip for other people. Taxes are what you pay for civilization.
It's just frustrating that these people have been conditioned to believe that their taxes are theft after centuries of their taxes just going to funding bombs instead of more robust social services. I think that this is in part why they have distrust for the government
The libertarian mindset: "I dont want to pay taxes, they shouldnt exist and I'm sure the world after nobody paying taxes will go just fine"
Yet they have no problem driving their cars on socialized roads.
@Desecration buddy, I spit my drink out reading this. Too good. 😂. Freedom!
- Crappy cellphone reception
- "gUbErMiNT bAd"
- "Taxes are theft"
- Michael is laughing his ctfu in the background
- Thinking he's owning Sam in this conversation
- Can't answer a simple question
- Sam explaining how their fantasy land won't work but it goes in one ear and out the other
Yep, the libertarian series is back in action
Funny how all these libertarian callers always sound the same. Same vocal cadence, same confidence, same floundering definitions. They don’t realize a simple truth...the billionaires that fund the think tanks that push this ideology don’t actually want to live in a full libertarian society...they don’t care about the individual freedoms of everyday Americans. They want their taxes cut, they want their industries deregulated and they want the publicly funded programs that they personally don’t need, to go away. This debate goes way further into libertarian la la land than Charles Koch would ever want to go. He just wants more sweet sweet cash.
7:28 "let me explain a little economics to you". Dude I have a degree in economics with a triple major in economics, political economy and econometrics. You didn't explain any economics at any substantive level at all lmao
He's a libertarian, what do you expect?
I do not have a degree in economics , and I could tell that he said shit too 🤣
💜😂😂😂
The idea of libertarianism boils down to "I want to live in a small HOA with no fees."
The mental gymnastics you have to do to create a fucking fantasy world, all just because you don't like paying taxes, is fucking beyond me. This guy has an office, so I assume he's probably doing somewhat well, wants to live in fucking MadMax society where it's every man for himself. He still can't answer the damn question on who is going to enforce and protect in his stupid utopia. Do you have to pay a police department if they save you directly, and only if call them? Because that sounds pretty fucking terrible and highly immoral.
I'm gonna bet the "office" comment was nonsense to make this dude sound like a big boy.
I think he said he's a dispatcher. I'm gonna have to assume that's emergency services. Which just adds another layer of insanity upon his worldview.
You know, if he wanted to live in a MadMax world where the strongest survives, so be it, but he can’t even say something like that for some reason. He cannot make ANY sort of argument, it’s just pathetic
This guy has not made a logical point in this entire argument.
I love how these callers think that _they're_ winning the debate.
they don't really, it's just human nature to be defiant/not admit your wrong
The Evil Bernie bit kills me every time. Rest in power, MJB
I love how the guy thinks he’s dunking on Sam the whole time XD
Stupid people are generally confident about their own lack of knowledge.
Dunning-Kruger... always sad to see
Literally the "socialism is when the government does stuff" meme
Isn't that what socialism is? Like the government collecting money for public works.
@@ruppelspoopels No, that's social democracy. Socialism is when the workers own the means of production.
This is the kind of guy who plays Bioshock and thinks that Rapture would have been a paradise if only it weren't for the rampant gene splicing making everyone crazy, and that Andrew Ryan was the hero of the story.
This Libertarianism sounds kind of like Scientology doesn’t it?
look, I know Scientology is dumb as fuck, but you don't need to go around insulting it like that.
@vlad 🤣😂
Its called KochTology... :D
this guy is not promoting libertarianism : he's promoting ancap
I'm just here, laughing hard at Michael's Bernie bit, and it hits me that he's gone... Rest in Power Michael.
People are really bad at estimating their own understanding of the world
That's why I go with the thought that I have a low understanding of the world.
Progressive that’s arguing with a conservative: “this is the worst”
Progressive that’s arguing with a libertarian: “hold my beer”
There's different levels of sociopathy and blatant ignorance/disconnect with the reality involved
Libs are easier to get some fun out of it
Conservatives are less funny since they enable fascist while waving flags
"Let me explain economics to you: everything I like is freedom and good, and everything you like is evil and aithoritarian."
I love the part when he says, "my brother who watches your show regularly, he's in med school, he's much smarter than me."
Hmmm, maybe there's a connection there, dude. 🤔
These guys want to go back to the days pre nation states, when principalities fought each other and most people were half-starved.
this guy is a personification of the Dunning Kruger effect
It's like you can actually hear them thinking for the first time
Sam asked him SEVERAL times to lay out his vision for society and he spoke in vague generalities and gave zero specifics and then he got mad when he felt mischaracterized after Sam laid out a specific scenario.
He literally gave you 3 opportunities to speak uninterrupted about how conflicts should be resolved and you gave nothing.
Or he used every opportunity to throw out generic strawman accusations of leftism.
"Tell us how your ideal society would work"
"Well, uh...so basically i know how you leftists want to steal my money cuz basically the left hates truth and facts!"
How are taxes not considered your bill or better yet your investment into your country for social services. Roads, schools, police, fire, medical. Calling income tax theft is a stretch. Thats like calling debt valuable.
This conversation always baffles me. The caller has such a superiority complex, yet still somehow doesn't understand how to respond to the easiest questions possible
It's always like that. It's frustrating to see how arrogant he is when he is so silly.
He's emotionally invested in identifying as a libertarian and could sense immediately that Sam was poking some basic logical holes in it. The desperate defensiveness that follows is a tale we've seen time and again with libertarians. This is also why I think these sorts of calls are just entertainment and little else because libertarians simply want to identify as libertarians in their hearts, thus there's no route to changing their minds.
I absolutely love how he admits his point of view is basically the exact opposite of "Progressive"; there is a word for that buddy, it's called "Regressive." Which is exactly what libertarianism is, regressive. Name me a society or group of people that acted in a decentralized way and contributed anything of major value to human progress and scientific advancement. That doesn't mean some smaller less centralized tribal societies have less value as people, but it should be plainly clear that their lack of advancement is due to decentralization. Centralized states are co-operative. Decentralized states always regress into competition and violence. This is why "Tribal" societies often war with each other; it's the inevitable outcome of decentralization. We would see the United States regress into a a collective of inter warring tribal societies based on regional differences, policy and law disagreements etc. The irrationality of the liberation world view is on par with flat earthers.
Exactly. Plus the guy sounded like he was high lol
Exactly. Libertarianism only works with small villages.
You just don't understand freedom bruh. ;)
I've never met a libertarian that had *actually* thought through what kind of world they would live in under their "system"
@@burgerking220 "works" is pretty relative too. I personally wouldn't say Libertarianism worked in small villages either, it existed, but I wouldn't call it ideal. Think what life was actually like in tribal societies throughout history.
I'll give a short hypothetical example of how it often plays out even in the most co-operative unified tribe. In this example lets say a wealthy son from your village(town, region, area of control) gets incredibly drunk and rapes a woman in a nearby village. In your tribe(company, group, collective) you agree this is wrong, but debate how he should be punished. In the other village they decide that the punishment should be torture and beheading. To save the man your town protests but in vain, no other option is left, a war party is sent to retrieve the man by force. If successful surly the other village will want vengeance if any of their men are killed in the process. Causing a cycle of tribal warfare.
In that example it shows how disunity always devolves into tribal infighting, and eventually violence. When there is no agreement on regional laws, or power structures there will be constant disagreement and strife. The strongest in wealth or weapons can bully the others. From trade disputes, to crime and punishment. Of course that all doesn't address either the weakness of libertarian society in self defense. As a large unified centralized country/empire can just come in and easily demolish a collective of disorganized tribal societies.
This guy who thinks liberty is a right-wing concept only is going to be surprised when he finds out what side invented libertarianism
Yea that is some how lost in modern discourse which i thought was just common sense
Every libertarian is incredibly child like and simple minded. I think they just take these stances so somebody will talk to them.
They're always astonished and unprepared when asked a logical question. It shows they haven't a thought beyond "I want more money."
Best example of the Dunning-Kruger effect I've heard in a long time.
I’m so glad RUclips randomly recommended this past MR episode. Rest in peace Michael!
Algorithm has been delivering up these old libertarian debates and RM Brown videos. Love it!
Fuck we need a Michael Brooks still in this world. Gone way too fucking soon.
fuck I miss Michael and his laugh. Rest in power, MJB.
Dude, I was just about to post the same thing. He was awesome
the sad thing is that the whole time he thought he was owning the libs, everyone was laughing at him in the background.
This man was so aggravating and painfully obtuse.
Dunning-Kruger in full effect on this call. 9 minutes in and wondering if this guy will ever notice the ball is already in his own net.
R.I.P. M. B.
This was one of my favorite Michael moments ever. RIP my man.
This is happens when your world view is based on a bumper sticker.
Damn lol
I guess the caller's new society works provided that *absolutely no two people* ever have any disputes with each other. Good luck with that.
This is why libertarianism is the single most lazy position someone can have. Just make up some premisses that everything works perfectly and then criticize a system that actually assumes people are not perfect. Funny thing is that as soon as you introduce any kind of conflict into their hypotheticals, your realize it's a complete dystopia.
"Capitalism... lifted millions out of poverty..."
and then thrusts them back into poverty every 8 - 10 years unless the government steps in with aid and stimulus.
With capitalism being the main or only form of industrialized economy, it's super disingenuous to say that capitalism is what's helping people and causing innovation. It would be like trying to defend feudalism by talking about how much grain was produced to feed the masses when you can in fact do agriculture without feudalism, just like we can have industrial production without capitalists as our modern day feudal lords.
Why does every libertarian caller sound like the same guy?
Cause you have to be a braindead, privileged dudebro to believe in it
Hive mind at work.
An equally curious question would be why do all of them have horrible cell phone reception? I swear it happens just about every single time
@@cnferguson5 They live in the back woods countryside because they shelter themselves from society. Homeschooling is attractive to them for the same reason,
Easy, mostly white guys who live in the South.
I feel like there’s actually a libertarian accent at this point
Well there's definitely a profile type at this point. Yes I also hear the accent. The a-hole accent to be precise. LOL
@@daal9335 I apologize on behalf of the sane libertarians :(
@@jameslane2326
Thank you. No apologies necessary.
@@jameslane2326 There are no sane libertarians, the ideology requires to be ignorant and accept some very basic and emotionally driven tenets.
You're just a nice guy and happen to be a libertarian but you aren't sane.
@@gothicfan51 Obviously I have to disagree here. Sure if you are Libertarian in a dogmatic way, Worshiping the free market like it can fix anything then yea thats not sane, but if instead you simply believe people should be free of government intervention as long as they dont violate the NAP, I believe you can have a sane and logical position.
The worst part is this caller thinks they won this
That's why they are crazy.
Can you imagine living with this guy? I bet his wife is constantly frustrated
He obvs did you just need him to educate you some more.
@@Camboge I bet his wife is a blow up doll
@@howwrongwewere
Bet she's STILL frustrated...!
Evil Bernie Sanders was a under developed character. Like for Mike 👍 👍👍👍👍👍👍
The fun part is that the guy thinks he's killing it in the debate.
"Debate". We couldn't even figure how that arbitration he was trying to explain would work. Maybe because it wouldn't, but still...
LoL
«I thought this was going to be a roast of me - not you»
Spare me
@@TonyHauk oh yeah that was cringe. Maybe he rehearsed it LOL.
@@crotchy7667 I didn't even consider that until I read your comment and you're definitely right
Oh thank God, libertarians are back to calling Majority Report.
The Alpha Males are back
It is very entertaining.
Inside every libertarian is a tiny little warlord that thinks they’d actually thrive in feudal world of barbarians and gangs. Yet all they really spend time doing is thinking up insults and different ways to be offended.
Survival of the fi...er, "he who can move if he doesn't like his present living conditions".
@@PR--un4ub We live on a world with 8 billion human beings, moving to the woods because you want to have 5 wives , smoke weed all day and beat your kids is no longer an option. Either become a part of the global community or be surpassed by it.
@@jeff61177 Just so we're clear, I agree with you. I was poking fun at this right-wing/libertarian philosophy that can you can simply move if things are going wrong and then all will be well.
They should do a season of Survivor with all Libertarians.
Survivor Mad Max Edition.
Then when they come home, they're denied access to roads, electricity, and government printed money until they admit they can't survive without a society with government.
Nah, too many rules. Let’s give them access to a town in Colorado that they can govern as they see fit. We could call the show, Galt’s Gulch!
Day 1 would be exciting for the libertarians.
By day 3 they’d be crying in the confession room that “this isn’t real libertarianism”.
By the end of the week most of them would have either left or killed each other.
@@spraynard9529 That or they end up voting for a local mayor, setting up organs of local authority, but continuing to insist that it's "totally definitely not government" lol
God Yes
Who's watching after Micheal Brooks' passing? Group hug, everyone.
This was my favourite Brooks impression. Sad there isn't more Immoral Bernie Sanders.
rest in power
"Yeah so, basically.."
- Libertarians who don't know what they actually believe in.
Yup. They believe in what they believe in. They just have no concept of what that actually is, what it looks like, and how it will be logically and logistically executed. This is what we call, "surface level thinking". Yes, you sound so SOOO smart with your pseudo-philosophical bantering. You are such a genius. However, what is this world you envisioned actually going to look like when we get down to "brass tax"? The logical conclusion to Libertarianism is flcorporate fascism. It is feudalism. It is constant microwars for fiefdom territory. It is what the Amsrican revolution was supposed to reject. Aside from mediocre white boi atheists who are into Libertarianism, the only real "academics" in that field of thought were pre reformationist Catholics. Meaning? Again, feudalism. Libertarians want an excuse to socially cleanse a nation of the elements they hate.......sounds familiar.............
@@torrb420 the people that have to explain how society works to liberals that say “the government will take care of it” are the dumb ones? I think you have that backward. Libertarians figure out systems. Liberal purposefully refuse to figure anything out and throw the hot potato to politicians that have no idea how to fix anything either. Stupidity is giving up. And liberals love giving up and throwing money at each other until it pays for something they think is related to the problem.
Imagine being a right-wing libertarian and, one, trying to explain government or economics to anyone, and two, calling leftists intellectually lazy. Being a right wing libertarian damn near requires you have a child's understanding of governance and economics as well as you never bothering to think beyond, "man, I hate taxes. It's like theft. Wouldn't it be great if the government stopped existing?".
Caller: " people on the left are lazy because they want government to solve their problems "
Question to caller: " Who solves problems in a libertarian society?"
Caller: "uhm the market"
Can't ask how there'd be a market. Since the reasoning can stop there because there ain't a fair arbiter possible in this picture.
I think the term libertarian should be replaced with "I don't actually have a coherent set of beliefs."
The word "Libertarian" means different things in different places and times. There were Social/Socialist Libertarians in Spain during the 1930's Spanish Civil War. In the US, we have these OTHER dudes...(mostly dudes, though some of the female of our species as well). I tend towards "Libertarian-ism" myself when it comes to some issues of the use of say Alternative Medicine...but mostly when "standard medicine" has utterly abdicated and abandoned its intended purpose (which is often...).
These Libertarians are focused on assets, accumulating, disagreeing, procreating and proselytizing! The way in which we say "Libertarian" nowadays, it deconstructs into "Libertine"/"Aryan"...!!
haha!
@@josephgodfrey8468 well, if they give back liberal we'll give back libertarian. Lol
“I don’t know the definition of feudalism that’s your term.” This was where I absolutely died.
Granted it was toward the end, but when he said, roughly, "In the beginning of time, everything was bad, then capitalism lifted billions out of poverty," that was something magical, for a variety of reasons.
US-Liberterian: My dream society would be zero governmental enforcement.
Host: What if there was an issue and a deal was broken.
US-Liberterian: The government would enforce it.
Host: Who appoints your societies government.
US-Liberterian: The government is immoral and I want it removed.
What he's avoiding saying is that when a contract is broken, or realistically in any dispute, it would just devolve into warfare between private mercenary forces. Libertarianism is a Mad Max dystopia.
Watch "the badlands " on Netflix, futuristic feudal barons warring with guns and swords. Pretty good so far. Lol
That Bernie impression was priceless XD. Rest in power Michael brooks. We miss you
Lol feel bad for the caller’s brother
He was probably laughing his ass off the whole time
Nah, his brother is just kicking back to this.
“Intellectually lazy to think the government solves everything”
*proceeds to mindlessly slob the knob of “free markets solve everything” ideology*
If I can sum for all those who might be confused,
"I don't want the government to tell me what to do! I want the rich to tell me what to do!!!".
Holy Dunning-Kruger effect
That guy’s smugness when he literally hasn’t made any successful points is so fucking painful
It is the most awesome thing though.
Let's be serious: Michael's cackling is what you're here for 😂👉 24:25
4:58 is the best one
REST IN POWER, MICHAEL BROOKS
Taxation is theft, but benefitting from all those things taxes pay for is my right as an American!
imperiumdiaboli which is exactly why we should be benefitting more. Bernie 2020
Arent libertarians arguing for theft when they advocate against taxes and society. They are stealing from the collective resources without properly exchanging for them. Is this not theft from the collective
This caller is obsessed with being the opposite of “the left”.
It's also a misunderstanding of libertarianism cuz left libertarians / anarchists!!
Maxwell Monheit the idea of trying to mix fascist aspects with an underpinning of a far left view escapes these people and belies their actual understanding of how the world works
It’s an indictment of listening to free far-right talk radio uncritically for far too long. Easy to have happen when your first priority is the road.
This man has a very limited, fragile mentality.
Like all libertarians.
Listening to Michael cackle and do his amazing impressions give me life. I laughed so hard tears popped out of face. Rest in power king, we need you more then ever.
I love it. Has anyone made a clip from the last bit? I keep watching it over and over LOL.
I feel so bad for this guy’s brother... imagine Thanksgiving with him 😰
(Grandpa goes to cut the turkey)
Colt: What gives you the right to decide how my dinner is divided? You are infringing on my freedom, and taking my preferred portion size by force. No one elected you. We need to all cook our own turkeys, in our own homes, with our own ovens, and if you try to stop me then I'm taking you to arbitration through our home owner's association!
@@MakNCheese88 grandpa: and who's going to enforce that right now *tighten grip on carver knife*
I have a strange feeling this whole "libertarian" thing is just "I don't wanna pay income tax" thing
Computer Scientist why should we? Taxes will still exist without income taxes
From what I hear from some it's actually anti-state, which a big part is other things like anti-war and anti-police violence.
We only got World War I and II, etc. after the governments went off the gold standard, so they could print money arbitrarily with that they could not build/produce enough weapons/bombs, etc. to keep it going.
That's some of the reasoning.
Literally he has no arguments and he thinks "taxation is theft" is an argument
Yep, notably, when confronted with how money actually works, he merely criticized Sam for justifying theft, despite not arguing with any of the MMT points Sam made, which gradually dismantled the notion that taxes are theft. He basically just didn't like that the conclusion was that taxes aren't theft, but had no actual argument to make, to disprove or even argue the premises that led to that conclusion.
Well... It could be if he could make it into one. I'm not saying he wouldn't come out of it thinking "maybe we do need a level of organization in society above the individual so that other individuals don't screw with me at will", I'm just saying he could have put a bit more effort in it.
Your profile picture is huge cringe my dude.
@@gothicfan51 Keep crying beta male
@@kayvahn2141 Being an anarchist and calling someone a beta male, pot calling the kettle black by any chance?
"You can still have centralized security and all those things". You mean a kind of government? lol.
Chapter one of economics according to this guy is the Overton window.
More like a PragerU video intro
This call makes me sad. He hung up thinking that he bested Sam by arguing for feudalism.
Does anybody else find it ironic when conservatives say leftists are, "intellectually lazy."
the supply/demand curve is the religious symbol of libertarianism
@@jaredneal5588 it isn't wrong though... Just that they don't understand the larger picture. Supply and demand are just turbulences that exist for a short time. They come and go. In the long run, natural prices are regulated by the labor time that went into the production of a commodity.
(David Ricardo, principles of political economy and taxation)
It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.
I remember the guy who called in saying when monopolies form we can just assassinate those people... this comment reminded me of that 😂
@@Drroccy97 I think the difference there was that the assassination guy kinda knew he was stupid. Much more likable and honest
Sam: Completely shows how libertarian fundamentally does not work in many situations
Libertarians: But you can still have libertarianism
Colt:. "I need to educate you dummies on economics."
Colt: "what's feudalism?"
This whole phone call is amazing.
I love how he doesnt seem to understand that we* are the government. He keeps saying that the left thinks the government is everything. But all of us collectively are the government. We (in theory) vote and decide who speaks for us and represents us, and our tax dollars go towards public goods, things we all benefit from and want - roads, schools, transportation, infrastructure, etc.
Smarty pants over here.
@@tactical_philanthropy You play guitar and sing?
@@Joannapomeroy I used to, but now I'm full time depressed and isolated. But I play lots of video games and I do manage to leave my house to buy groceries. Happy New Year.👍
@@tactical_philanthropy Happy new year! I hope 2020 is good to you, and I hope you get back in to music soon 🎶
Something these cowards are never going admit: I dont want my tax dollars going to blacks
Whoever sent their brother to Sam, you're a cruel fuck and I love it :p
It’s wild how flippantly they prescribe a total societal overhaul and casually assume everything will work itself out.
Similar to executives now. 😂
Apparently America doesn't need taxes, government, writers, actors, package delivery or any other kind of workers!!
Taxes are your subscription cost for living in organised society. Period.
I'd not go that far. Certainly a possible interpretation tho.
_"No... I wouldn't say that all taxes are immoral"_
- libertarian
_"All taxation is theft"_
- the same libertarian
There's a reason why it only seems like these callers are white, straight, early 20-somethings from an upper middle class house. These are people that have been granted so many privileges and have never had to do a hard day's work in their life. Or got majorly sick or injured. They are pampered childish egomaniacs who want desperately not to change their life one iota, at all, on pain of death. It's a way of saying "I don't want to pay for anything I don't want, I want to smoke and drink all I want, and I don't want to care about anything other then me". They have convinced themselves that way of thinking is not only right, but moral. No one who has spent one day in the real world buys into this shit. It only appeals to people that have a very narrow view of the world, young adults who think they know everything but don't have the maturity to face reality.
I know a lot of older white men who subscribe to this backwards immature way of thinking.
@@kerimcgloughlin7451 Some people never grow up. As the old saying goes: "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."
This caller should get an honorary doctorate in Economics from Fox News
Libertarian: "I don't know....possibly....maybe....could be"
also Libertarian: "I totally owned you"
I always love watching Libertarians be slowly taught why governments exist By Sam lol
"What if people had disagreements?"
"Easy. They wouldn't."
This guy is like a twisted right wing version of a Hippie...
That is it. I was trying to figure them out Right wing hippies. they look cool, till you talk to them.
OH.
Why do libertarians sound soooo confused when asked to explain the libertarian world? Sam asks fairly easy questions and sets up normal scenarios and they don't seem to have a very cohesive answer for any of them.
Because their thinking is too broad. When you question them about details it's obvious they have never thought that deep.
"I just believe in ummmm.... umm.... Rand Paul.... ummm."
Because libertarianism is complete bullshit. Its no accident that it always comes back to feudalism, this shit already tried and it didn't work right after the rise of the bourgeoise. Constitutions were literally written to limit the power rich people had over everyone else in the first waves of constitutions. That is why they also call themselves classical liberals, because its the same exact thing adam smith and the sort thought back then.
It works the same way for bottom-quadrant ideologies on either side. Start asking about specific scenarios to handle things without a government: the right will come up with absolutely terrible ideas involving private police forces and ethical (lol) business practices. The Left will answer with "Well we would create a voluntary committee of elected officials to..."
"You mean a government?"
"...no >:("
Every time this guy is cornered he does that whole "Well congratulations you've explained an obvious truth," but this is just his condescending way of admitting that an obvious truth debunks his entire argument. Condescension is not an argument.
EDIT: trading the tyranny of the state for the tyranny of a privatized market is not liberty. My man says the more left you go the more authoritarian the state gets but he fails to recognize -- and I can only assume he's literally too stupid to Google this -- that communism is fundamentally a classless, stateless, moneyless society. He says he's anti-state but also says he's pro-private property, yet he fails to recognize the distinction between private property (the factories he owns) and personal property (his collection of Ayn Rand novels). If the left is increasingly authoritarian and the right is increasingly libertarian, how does he explain liberals being radicalized into communists and conservatives being radicalized into fascists? Seems like a big oversight.