Honestly this is just “entrepreneurs” generally these days. Its just that ai is hot right now so many are jumping. Theyll just move to something else by the time ai shit dies out
"People that are really into AI have no f.king taste". So true. They build systems to make art for us, instead of building systems to work less and make more art.
True, but people with taste are a minority 😀. When I did genuine Human Music, nobody listened to me for 10 years. I started doing AI stuff and in less than a year I have a real audience 😆That I'm a piece of shit ? Yes and I don't give a fuck, honestly. I was a naive asshole when I thought anyone would listen to my shitty, mediocre music. In today's oversaturated market, quantity is the way to go, not the pursuit of quality (which takes a really long time and money, and mostly that investment never pays off). But good luck to all genuine artists, I respect you 👍
Oh, and I just wanted to add that Suno is really disgusting. The outputs are extremely generic and unlistenable, so I'm not in opposition on this particular topic. V4 seems to me to have made it even worse.
"it's not really enjoyable to make music now, it takes a lot of time, a lot of practice". OMG. This guy is soooo wrong at so many levels... it's just make me sad for him. He's lost. completely lost.
Imagine you could have any chip in the world and be immediately the best at any given hobby or sport? Life would be literally meaningless lmao this man is so money hungry hes completely lost his marbles
@@zwicker5585 The majority of Sillicon Valley guys think like this and this kind of ill-defined mentality will degrade our lives soon or later. Musk think like this, so does Zuckerberg: they all think in term of scalability and growth and apply that to everything including humain life whereas what matters is the act of practicing art, enjoying the journey not producing a maximum of tracks. What they have to propose as an ideal society is very dangerous.
I hate this guy too.. it's so disturbing that people like this are at the forefront of where our society is headed. Completely disconnected from what life is supposed to consist of..
"I have created 25 songs in the last few days" - the audacity of using the word "creating" in this context makes my blood boil. This guy really thinks it's him who created something, not the AI. It's like if instant gratification and entitlement had a child smh
The AI didnt create it either. It saved music belonging to real artists and then mashed that data together, that fits your requirements or prompts, from all the ripped songs into one.
Here is what folks can do with Suno. Download the Suno 2 track, then do the stem split, then you have a nice loop lib. Oh hey! Now let’s publish it as our own library. 😂
I dont want another era of enslaved intelligent minds, I would love to hear AI music that really touches me. Amazing music made by an machine, I would love to hear that! And if its not amazing, what do you fear? I think this is just human ego being afraid..
Yeah I thought that why make robots to do the jobs we want to do leaving us to do the shitty ones, i haven't heard anything made by ai that people can't do better and people who want to see that will live to regret it when they inevitably are replaced by a machine
The only thing I think AI music is good for is, bad romance reality tv. Like Love is Blind, that kind of trash tv. Because the existing music sounds so generic that it makes me angry. I would be less annoyed if I knew a human didn’t write it.
Wrong. There are musician and composers who lives in the sync world and AI will probably destroy first this world rather than the streaming one. You couldn’t like the type of songs but you have to keep in mind that behind there is people that have invested their life into music just like me or probably you, don’t mix personal taste with reality. AI music it’s bad in every way you look at it, only if it’s used from musician to create like alternative vocal it can be useful
I can't believe how wrong this guy is, especially with his implied "gatekeeping" argument. Having to learn an instrument or your DAW is not gatekeeping, nor is Music AI "liberating" people. It's such a strawmen argument.
"AI" "art" in general is a pretty effective way to make worse, more boring versions of things that already exist. It's just common sense. These are not magic sentient machines, they can't come up with actual new ideas, they are just programs that make combinations of things that they have been allowed to observe.
05:00 generating music with ai is more like playing slot machine than a video game - typical money oriented white collar bore who can't wrap his head around what even the purpose of art is
Why dont we just make all creative endeavours AI - why not AI dancers? AI sports people - we do it because of the process dude and many of of us hate games!
19:55 “Deciding to sue first and ask questions later seems silly” I mean, same could be said for stealing all of the music in the world before getting the rights to any of it…
25:04 I've been making music for over 10 years and I've completely stopped enjoying it. Nobody listened to it. I honestly don't understand what's incomprehensible about that statement. How is it disconnected from reality? Strange that only those with thousands of subs always question it.
it is disconnected from reality because it doesn't matter to most anyone else that this happened to you. Among other things, like catharsis, art is about delayed gratification and the long term ability to engage your resources to do things that add up to much more than enjoyment (as it is being defined by you and the grub in this video).
@@tigerpantherrobotghost Well I agree with you in part. But my point is that you shouldn't be surprised at people getting frustrated when the market is so saturated that it's almost impossible to get a foothold... and so they reach for simpler solutions (which obviously work better).
Yeah these are just the new forund entrepreneur class of money weirdos who see dollar signs and follow. With a little woowoo shit thrown in there for good measure
Hear me out. We should all make as much AI generated music as possible! ... and release it under a false name. Suno trains on music that it clearly rips off some music plattform. If an AI is being trained on its own generations it soon generates worse and worse results. So we should all try to feed it as much as possible to eventually get rid off this ugly spawn of hell.
Pivoted fast from value to industry and product. Guy says "you can't fake this stuff" - But all his stuff is fake. Ultimately a world, or a market as he would call it, where no one has a voice of their own. This obviously isn't great.
6:30 the thing that's so wild to me is the guy is like "music isn't engaging enough" and such, like, did he EVER stop for one second and consider "maybe I'M just not engaging with it, it's a ME problem"?? no, clearly the answer is "we need to spawn artificial musicians" like, my god.
The Dunning Kreuger ascendancy. Writing a prompt is not ‘making music’. I kinda felt we started this process when superstar DJs became a thing. But now, pulling together loops and ‘beats’ seems like Picasso compared to this junk.
He misunderstands the gaming industry "grew" because of mobile games and microtransactions. A market opened up for casuals who arent gamers, but that made financial opportunity for iphone/android devs. Music AI gens is more like the pyramid scheme of music. All the value goes into paying for keeping the model running and its direct to consumer. No room for new artists.
6:30 Bruh. I can't believe he just said that 🤣 Yeah, you know what, why even stop at Fortnite? Time to make writing music as "engaging" as a Tik-Tok short with some guy reacting underneath, some shitty music and laugh track in the background.
This guy says suno can't be used to recreate artists... Suno genre tag : "horrorcore" "Detroit rap" "Detroit horrorcore" "clown rap" will spit out Insane Clown Posse tracks every time. I call bullshit. They DID explicitly set out to recreate famous artists material. They might have changed that goal slightly, but that was their core intention at the start.
They are operating on plausible deniability. Like look, its not Clown Posse, it just accidentally sounds like it. Those are the worst. If there is one thing more that I hate than thieves, it's people that steal and then try to frame you as the fool, while everyone in the room knows what they are doing. And they get away with it because the justice system does not care about plausible deniability. Nobody is going to investigate SUNO AI for possibly one of the biggest criminal offenses to all musical artists worldwide, in the history of mankind.
7:47 I care, because I feel a difference derived by the sloppiness of how AI music sounds in general, it's not a structural issue but it's the way how the generated track sounds like it's being played through a spinning fan blade.
WTF does he mean "majority of people making music don't like it"? LOL - and he is creating artists. We're fcuk'd, DOOMED even. Clowns like these will ruin music if they get half the chance and call it "Progress". I didn't learn to play 3 different instruments coz i thought playing music alright, i did coz i bloody LOVED it!
I've not enjoyed making certain genres, but then I just moved on to making stuff I do enjoy. Amazing how that works out😂. But somehow, the self declared "geniuses" and "pioneers" in AI tech can't figure that out🤡
It has already been found to be impossible to copyright AI generated art. But they’ve made their model with unlicensed and copyrighted music. How can that not devalue the whole industry. They are basically creating a machine for cloning existing music in a way which cannot be copyrighted - in other words stripping the ability for artists to earn from art. Everything they make will get fed into a model and then clones will appear, stripping the track of any market value.
you have to be a soulless robot to get any type of enjoyment out of generating ai music. besides making a few songs for a joke, i cant imagine people generating something and actually liking it, being proud of it, or getting fulfillment for it. i think it's so fucking lame to have a robot make a song for you
If every #Influencer can make an album per week, the music industry will grow ^^ Also, I'm pretty sure more people start making music than keep pursuing it, therefore, most people don't enjoy making music, not even countring those who don't even start. Because it requires effort, and we're certainly not rewarding that.
How does it make the value of music infinite? You just write it on the y axis of your graph and show the line going up. Doesn't matter what the x axis is. Basic economics!
i got into a “discussion” with someone that made 3 albums and 4 EPs in the span of 24 hours using ai and he said and i quote “I make music 100% for myself, But For my music is 2 doors, one door is for people who want to listen to this music or don't listen and the second door is for garbage like you, who don't know what to do, how to do it, when to do it and why to do” i told him if he isn’t using a daw he isn’t making music and he promptly goes ahead to block me and delete the conversation. GenAI shoulda stopped at chat gpt
Making music is getting fairly straightforward... it'll never be 'easy' but if it's any 'easier' I probably wouldn't be doing it. The greatest buzz I've had is when I synthesized every sound & arranged those elements... mixed it etc. Took 4 years of study. I use Stable Diffusion but I wouldn't compare myself to Jack Kirby that's just dumb. As for 'feeling' - AI music sounds shite. Makes me feel hungover. The scary thing about this is the power of delusion & the deluded. Funny they never used AI to tell them SUNO is a bad idea. The kid in the playground with snot on his face that nobody wants to play with - that's being harsh to the kid, sorry.
It's crazy presumptuous to say music isn't as engaging as fortnite because that totally dismisses other people's lived experiences. Personally fortnite is the opposite of engaging to me. My mom thinks Sodoku puzzles are hella engaging, she's not wrong, she's just different than me. Not everything has to be universally appealing. It's not a failure of the basketball industry that I don't want to play basketball. I just don't vibe with basketball. (Sorry to go all busy works beats with the analogies)
I’m just going to say this (again) here: Techbros are chomping at the bit to take the humans out of art because artists tend to call out societal ills in their art, including inequality and corruption (the kind techbros always do to get a competitive advantage). Think of all the art that says “corporations suck and they’re robbing you blind”, or even ones that say “fascism is bad”. You bland the art down and make it have no message or meaning, you’ve got a population who is less primed to question the status quo. They’re trying to prime the population to be the serfs to the techbros feudal lords
this is wat happens wen you allow culture vultures to design A A.I generated software for music and also say that people make music and don't like to! I've been making music for years and to the date I love making music, I don't know anyone that make music say they don't like making it. why would you even bother to try to create music if they don't enjoy making music... that's so A** for this guy to say!! he's lost his mind.... he hates making music you can tell! that's one stupid thing to say and Timbaland is partnering with this musical grinch?
He's confusing the term 'making' music with the joys of 'playing' music. While using a daw or beat machine is not the same as plating a guitar, it's the 'process', the 'doing' that we enjoy.. people play games because they like the gameplay. Playing on god mode with all cheats enabled is boring. Any gamer would agree.
Well done Suno guy. You are trying to destroy human creativity, flooding the market with bad quality music and taking what little money most proper musicians make. Then dressing it up as something its not. For money 💰 You sir, suck balls.
I use Ai to help me with melodies and structuring. Also exploring genres I’ve never tried. I also have ableton lite so i cant export or save so i have ai help me write midi with python. Then i experiment heavily
@HammerStudioGames I know! Thanks for the supportive feedback! I really appreciate it 🙏 you are a wonderful person. May God bless u all ! I've been going through a really hard time recently, and this comment really helped me . I wish u a wonderful week and a good day!
There are some REALLY nice AI music tech folks. So PLEASE don’t make blanket statements. I can intro you if you want. This guy is trying to make a point about helping to lower the bar for music making but is a horrible communicator and then yeah, his product is not seeming to be aimed at folks making music.
"lower the bar for music making" - that's such a strawman argument. Please explain to me wtf the actual bar is, other than to *learn* an instrument or your DAW. Do you consider having to learn something as "gatekeeping" in general ? Like, do you think there should also be a lowering of bars when it comes to (learning) Tennis or Basketball ?? Because it really seems to me that we're in an age where people unironically think that having to learn something is somehow "gatekeeping" that requires "lowering the bar". SMH
@ Giod points, I guess as an old guy I have seen the bar lowered (and advanced too btw) via: - frets - recording - multitrack - editing - drum machines - samplers - DAWs - loop libraries - easy distribution And again I say that each of these contributed to great advancements in music as well. But yeah, not as raw and live and requiring years of practice.
@ the point is that people, who never actually had the willpower to create, will flood our culture with meaningless forms of expression in order to satisfy their own fragile ego and push to the side actual art; forms of genuine human expression.
Looks like the guy failed at Music Maker and created Suno as cope
Comment for the algo - this was a tough watch live. AI bros are the worst and this one is borderline sociopathic with some of his takes.
the ppl who developed the calculator were also sociopaths. everyone didn’t become mathematicians either. it’s going to be okay
Honestly this is just “entrepreneurs” generally these days. Its just that ai is hot right now so many are jumping. Theyll just move to something else by the time ai shit dies out
"People that are really into AI have no f.king taste". So true. They build systems to make art for us, instead of building systems to work less and make more art.
True, but people with taste are a minority 😀. When I did genuine Human Music, nobody listened to me for 10 years. I started doing AI stuff and in less than a year I have a real audience 😆That I'm a piece of shit ? Yes and I don't give a fuck, honestly. I was a naive asshole when I thought anyone would listen to my shitty, mediocre music. In today's oversaturated market, quantity is the way to go, not the pursuit of quality (which takes a really long time and money, and mostly that investment never pays off). But good luck to all genuine artists, I respect you 👍
Oh, and I just wanted to add that Suno is really disgusting. The outputs are extremely generic and unlistenable, so I'm not in opposition on this particular topic. V4 seems to me to have made it even worse.
"it's not really enjoyable to make music now, it takes a lot of time, a lot of practice". OMG. This guy is soooo wrong at so many levels... it's just make me sad for him. He's lost. completely lost.
Imagine you could have any chip in the world and be immediately the best at any given hobby or sport? Life would be literally meaningless lmao this man is so money hungry hes completely lost his marbles
@@zwicker5585 The majority of Sillicon Valley guys think like this and this kind of ill-defined mentality will degrade our lives soon or later. Musk think like this, so does Zuckerberg: they all think in term of scalability and growth and apply that to everything including humain life whereas what matters is the act of practicing art, enjoying the journey not producing a maximum of tracks. What they have to propose as an ideal society is very dangerous.
not to mention he said something about the JOYS of making music somewhere in the beginning
I hate this guy too.. it's so disturbing that people like this are at the forefront of where our society is headed.
Completely disconnected from what life is supposed to consist of..
Just another corporate psychopath.
44:54 "We've been creating music since before time." 😐 And if so, I guess it was arrhythmic.
"I have created 25 songs in the last few days" - the audacity of using the word "creating" in this context makes my blood boil. This guy really thinks it's him who created something, not the AI. It's like if instant gratification and entitlement had a child smh
Yeah like when they call themselves AI "artists"
The AI didnt create it either. It saved music belonging to real artists and then mashed that data together, that fits your requirements or prompts, from all the ripped songs into one.
Here is what folks can do with Suno. Download the Suno 2 track, then do the stem split, then you have a nice loop lib. Oh hey! Now let’s publish it as our own library. 😂
Imagine doing an interview in short shorts!
That guy is morally bankrupt putting his company and his personal bank account over the success of creative people
business
@@LekkerBlanka there is morally sound business and there is unethical business.
I want AI to do my dishes, taxes, not make music
Realest shit I've heard all day
I dont want another era of enslaved intelligent minds, I would love to hear AI music that really touches me.
Amazing music made by an machine, I would love to hear that!
And if its not amazing, what do you fear?
I think this is just human ego being afraid..
Yeah I thought that why make robots to do the jobs we want to do leaving us to do the shitty ones, i haven't heard anything made by ai that people can't do better and people who want to see that will live to regret it when they inevitably are replaced by a machine
Yes. I want AI to do chores while I make art, not the other way around.
The only thing I think AI music is good for is, bad romance reality tv. Like Love is Blind, that kind of trash tv. Because the existing music sounds so generic that it makes me angry. I would be less annoyed if I knew a human didn’t write it.
But then they’d rip off shitty artists to make shitty renditions of already shitty music
@ a self feeding algorithm of sh!tty background pop
🤣 that is fkn hilarious
I disagree. Love is Blind is good reality TV.
Wrong. There are musician and composers who lives in the sync world and AI will probably destroy first this world rather than the streaming one. You couldn’t like the type of songs but you have to keep in mind that behind there is people that have invested their life into music just like me or probably you, don’t mix personal taste with reality. AI music it’s bad in every way you look at it, only if it’s used from musician to create like alternative vocal it can be useful
this one might blow up
best podcast on the interwebs
One of the best vids I've seen on this channel. You've really been onto some good shit lately Weaver.
I can't believe how wrong this guy is, especially with his implied "gatekeeping" argument. Having to learn an instrument or your DAW is not gatekeeping, nor is Music AI "liberating" people. It's such a strawmen argument.
"AI" "art" in general is a pretty effective way to make worse, more boring versions of things that already exist. It's just common sense. These are not magic sentient machines, they can't come up with actual new ideas, they are just programs that make combinations of things that they have been allowed to observe.
Dirtbag AI capitalists - It is better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.
Cool, I hope they get sued into oblivion in the upcoming court case.
05:00 generating music with ai is more like playing slot machine than a video game - typical money oriented white collar bore who can't wrap his head around what even the purpose of art is
And yeah, the dollar signs will not come from music makers as much as low-end muaic users (music for social, company videos, etc.)
25:29 "Running is not as creative as music is, by even by a long shot, ." It is. Run to keep fit and continue being creative to one's best ability. 😐
Why dont we just make all creative endeavours AI - why not AI dancers? AI sports people - we do it because of the process dude and many of of us hate games!
they pay him in stock options.
If I hear the term "sense making" again. I will pul my hair out
19:55 “Deciding to sue first and ask questions later seems silly”
I mean, same could be said for stealing all of the music in the world before getting the rights to any of it…
25:04
I've been making music for over 10 years and I've completely stopped enjoying it. Nobody listened to it. I honestly don't understand what's incomprehensible about that statement. How is it disconnected from reality? Strange that only those with thousands of subs always question it.
Your timestamp isnt relevant and there is no quote, "statement", that you allude to.
it is disconnected from reality because it doesn't matter to most anyone else that this happened to you. Among other things, like catharsis, art is about delayed gratification and the long term ability to engage your resources to do things that add up to much more than enjoyment (as it is being defined by you and the grub in this video).
@@tigerpantherrobotghost Well I agree with you in part. But my point is that you shouldn't be surprised at people getting frustrated when the market is so saturated that it's almost impossible to get a foothold... and so they reach for simpler solutions (which obviously work better).
@@FreeContentLab if you think the market is saturated now, it's going to get 100x more so if people are spam uploading AI generated music
@upsettispaghettivulture Indeed, very true. One of the reasons to join them as soon as possible 😃
The interviewer does seem to know more about the music biz than Mr Von Suno.
They are one and the same. The questions have been provided by SUNO themselves lul
Yeah these are just the new forund entrepreneur class of money weirdos who see dollar signs and follow. With a little woowoo shit thrown in there for good measure
It took so much discipline to not dislike this video based on instinctive rage
I got a fever, and the only cure is mo Weaver. Okayyy
dude was like "yes it IS getting cheaper after all, but at the same time we made it more valuable than before. thats not contradictory at all"
44:59 😂
Hear me out.
We should all make as much AI generated music as possible!
... and release it under a false name. Suno trains on music that it clearly rips off some music plattform. If an AI is being trained on its own generations it soon generates worse and worse results. So we should all try to feed it as much as possible to eventually get rid off this ugly spawn of hell.
“GPU is a few times payroll” Buy that Nvidia stock y’all.
exactly
Pivoted fast from value to industry and product.
Guy says "you can't fake this stuff" - But all his stuff is fake.
Ultimately a world, or a market as he would call it, where no one has a voice of their own. This obviously isn't great.
6:30 the thing that's so wild to me is the guy is like "music isn't engaging enough" and such, like, did he EVER stop for one second and consider "maybe I'M just not engaging with it, it's a ME problem"?? no, clearly the answer is "we need to spawn artificial musicians" like, my god.
The Dunning Kreuger ascendancy. Writing a prompt is not ‘making music’.
I kinda felt we started this process when superstar DJs became a thing. But now, pulling together loops and ‘beats’ seems like Picasso compared to this junk.
DJs are fine, they curate an experience, which has value in its own.
He misunderstands the gaming industry "grew" because of mobile games and microtransactions. A market opened up for casuals who arent gamers, but that made financial opportunity for iphone/android devs.
Music AI gens is more like the pyramid scheme of music. All the value goes into paying for keeping the model running and its direct to consumer. No room for new artists.
12 minutes into the video, now I feel that they will not talk about them deliberately ruining their web UI.
6:30 Bruh. I can't believe he just said that 🤣
Yeah, you know what, why even stop at Fortnite? Time to make writing music as "engaging" as a Tik-Tok short with some guy reacting underneath, some shitty music and laugh track in the background.
33:54 "I wish this guy would quit ." He's not part of 'the business', the music industry. 😐
This guy says suno can't be used to recreate artists...
Suno genre tag : "horrorcore" "Detroit rap" "Detroit horrorcore" "clown rap" will spit out Insane Clown Posse tracks every time. I call bullshit. They DID explicitly set out to recreate famous artists material. They might have changed that goal slightly, but that was their core intention at the start.
They are operating on plausible deniability. Like look, its not Clown Posse, it just accidentally sounds like it. Those are the worst. If there is one thing more that I hate than thieves, it's people that steal and then try to frame you as the fool, while everyone in the room knows what they are doing.
And they get away with it because the justice system does not care about plausible deniability.
Nobody is going to investigate SUNO AI for possibly one of the biggest criminal offenses to all musical artists worldwide, in the history of mankind.
21:27 he’s growing the music industry in the same way a tumor grows
7:47 I care, because I feel a difference derived by the sloppiness of how AI music sounds in general, it's not a structural issue but it's the way how the generated track sounds like it's being played through a spinning fan blade.
It increases the value of social media and video editors tapping into SUNO “music creation services”. 😢
He’s successfully discrediting Suno even more.
I'm really glad we agree on this, since ai hype, i I've rarely had to put up with listening to so many baffling and ignorant opinions..
I think a lot of folks (me too) don’t like mixing and mastering as much.
LANDR
Anyone who unironically says "I'm super excited" could actually benefit from using Ai.
This is too painful. I'm sorry. I tried to make it for your engagements sake gang but this is making my ears bleed.
Wait! Suno is for original music? He means original as in a band “influenced heavily by”.
it’s not really good at metal… it can rhyme alright
@@LekkerBlanka Thanks for the tip. I think these things will be great for making funny songs.
I bet he did not have fun producing music. That is why he created Suno. I think most of us love the process even more than the end product.
WTF does he mean "majority of people making music don't like it"? LOL - and he is creating artists. We're fcuk'd, DOOMED even. Clowns like these will ruin music if they get half the chance and call it "Progress". I didn't learn to play 3 different instruments coz i thought playing music alright, i did coz i bloody LOVED it!
he clearly knows better than you what you enjoy and he thinks that he knows that for almost all the population. He is a knower alright
I've not enjoyed making certain genres, but then I just moved on to making stuff I do enjoy. Amazing how that works out😂. But somehow, the self declared "geniuses" and "pioneers" in AI tech can't figure that out🤡
At one time, sampling was the "new way to be creative"
These guys make me feel physically uncomfortable, It was literally painful listening to them
"you should need a license to get a podcast mic". bar
It has already been found to be impossible to copyright AI generated art. But they’ve made their model with unlicensed and copyrighted music. How can that not devalue the whole industry. They are basically creating a machine for cloning existing music in a way which cannot be copyrighted - in other words stripping the ability for artists to earn from art. Everything they make will get fed into a model and then clones will appear, stripping the track of any market value.
you have to be a soulless robot to get any type of enjoyment out of generating ai music. besides making a few songs for a joke, i cant imagine people generating something and actually liking it, being proud of it, or getting fulfillment for it. i think it's so fucking lame to have a robot make a song for you
I don't know if the views on Suno were all real but there was a lot of them surprisingly
If every #Influencer can make an album per week, the music industry will grow ^^
Also, I'm pretty sure more people start making music than keep pursuing it, therefore, most people don't enjoy making music, not even countring those who don't even start.
Because it requires effort, and we're certainly not rewarding that.
Dude is like the Tsar Bomba of Gaslight
Dude! I think the reason he doesn’t like Quantum computing is because it takes investment dollar$ from the AI babies. 😂
I'm not going to give that guy any of my money
Sh.t's a f.ckn joke!😂
How does it make the value of music infinite? You just write it on the y axis of your graph and show the line going up. Doesn't matter what the x axis is. Basic economics!
It’s Guitar Hero.
And the music Buisness is one big open mic night.
Kill me.
i got into a “discussion” with someone that made 3 albums and 4 EPs in the span of 24 hours using ai and he said and i quote
“I make music 100% for myself, But For my music is 2 doors, one door is for people who want to listen to this music or don't listen and the second door is for garbage like you, who don't know what to do, how to do it, when to do it and why to do”
i told him if he isn’t using a daw he isn’t making music and he promptly goes ahead to block me and delete the conversation. GenAI shoulda stopped at chat gpt
This CEO needs to be sent to mars too
Did you see "Top Music Attorney"'s video on this Suno guy?
But I think music fans will get it. There is usually backlash. I think fans with be entertained by AI but won’t fan it until they see it live somehow.
like gorillas and macross plus
it’s hard to get past the digital flutter
Making music is getting fairly straightforward... it'll never be 'easy' but if it's any 'easier' I probably wouldn't be doing it. The greatest buzz I've had is when I synthesized every sound & arranged those elements... mixed it etc. Took 4 years of study. I use Stable Diffusion but I wouldn't compare myself to Jack Kirby that's just dumb. As for 'feeling' - AI music sounds shite. Makes me feel hungover. The scary thing about this is the power of delusion & the deluded. Funny they never used AI to tell them SUNO is a bad idea. The kid in the playground with snot on his face that nobody wants to play with - that's being harsh to the kid, sorry.
It's crazy presumptuous to say music isn't as engaging as fortnite because that totally dismisses other people's lived experiences. Personally fortnite is the opposite of engaging to me. My mom thinks Sodoku puzzles are hella engaging, she's not wrong, she's just different than me.
Not everything has to be universally appealing. It's not a failure of the basketball industry that I don't want to play basketball. I just don't vibe with basketball.
(Sorry to go all busy works beats with the analogies)
id rather listen to an entire album of nickelback than touch fortnite with a pitchfork.
This dude has major Pete Buttigieg energy, and that is not a good thing.
Kind of hard to watch this, yeah?
I’m just going to say this (again) here:
Techbros are chomping at the bit to take the humans out of art because artists tend to call out societal ills in their art, including inequality and corruption (the kind techbros always do to get a competitive advantage).
Think of all the art that says “corporations suck and they’re robbing you blind”, or even ones that say “fascism is bad”. You bland the art down and make it have no message or meaning, you’ve got a population who is less primed to question the status quo.
They’re trying to prime the population to be the serfs to the techbros feudal lords
Ummm. I got a story for ya about how a producer I know flips AI stuff.
What?
this is wat happens wen you allow culture vultures to design A A.I generated software for music and also say that people make music and don't like to! I've been making music for years and to the date I love making music, I don't know anyone that make music say they don't like making it. why would you even bother to try to create music if they don't enjoy making music... that's so A** for this guy to say!! he's lost his mind.... he hates making music you can tell! that's one stupid thing to say and Timbaland is partnering with this musical grinch?
This is left brain trying to engineer a way to be right brain.
He's confusing the term 'making' music with the joys of 'playing' music. While using a daw or beat machine is not the same as plating a guitar, it's the 'process', the 'doing' that we enjoy.. people play games because they like the gameplay. Playing on god mode with all cheats enabled is boring. Any gamer would agree.
45:05 The breathing isn't as loud and irritating as you trying to mimic it. Chill out.
the majority of the interview is about finance and tech, not music, lesson there
🤣 Making musicians 🤣 how tf are you making musicians with a text prompt 🤣
The presenter is already ready to Pay Moah?
Well done Suno guy. You are trying to destroy human creativity, flooding the market with bad quality music and taking what little money most proper musicians make. Then dressing it up as something its not. For money 💰 You sir, suck balls.
I use Ai to help me with melodies and structuring. Also exploring genres I’ve never tried.
I also have ableton lite so i cant export or save so i have ai help me write midi with python. Then i experiment heavily
You’re like the Asmongold of producers
A whole minute ago
So you are saying you are first?
@@ghost-user559 Your wrong my Ai bot was first, because being first is boring now.
@@kalidesu Technically the channel poster is always first. And RUclips itself is always second.
@@ghost-user559actually no, what you've just said makes zero sense
@@HammerStudioGames It all makes sense when you charge $299, Ai bro has to pay for his 5090s.
7min and 38 view weever fell off
Wow! What a hilarious original comment you've left. So funny.
@HammerStudioGames I know! Thanks for the supportive feedback! I really appreciate it 🙏 you are a wonderful person. May God bless u all ! I've been going through a really hard time recently, and this comment really helped me . I wish u a wonderful week and a good day!
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The CEO's nose tells me absolutely everything I need to know about him.
There are some REALLY nice AI music tech folks. So PLEASE don’t make blanket statements. I can intro you if you want. This guy is trying to make a point about helping to lower the bar for music making but is a horrible communicator and then yeah, his product is not seeming to be aimed at folks making music.
"lower the bar for music making" - that's such a strawman argument. Please explain to me wtf the actual bar is, other than to *learn* an instrument or your DAW. Do you consider having to learn something as "gatekeeping" in general ? Like, do you think there should also be a lowering of bars when it comes to (learning) Tennis or Basketball ?? Because it really seems to me that we're in an age where people unironically think that having to learn something is somehow "gatekeeping" that requires "lowering the bar". SMH
go away lol
@ Giod points, I guess as an old guy I have seen the bar lowered (and advanced too btw) via:
- frets
- recording
- multitrack
- editing
- drum machines
- samplers
- DAWs
- loop libraries
- easy distribution
And again I say that each of these contributed to great advancements in music as well.
But yeah, not as raw and live and requiring years of practice.
@ the point is that people, who never actually had the willpower to create, will flood our culture with meaningless forms of expression in order to satisfy their own fragile ego and push to the side actual art; forms of genuine human expression.
No talent. Only push buttons