More like we cant fine any "finewine" graphics card, when the time gtx1060 or rx570 domination all benchmark games but when the game are way more realistic and also poor optimization then there's a problem since most of budget card now still not powerful enough as p/p than CPU itself, if exist the price are not "budget"
I notice that more expensive 13500 is completely different beast. Got 4 extra cores\threads, 200mhz bump turbo and gpu for £40 more. It is interesting decision.
The addition of E-cores into Intel's budget oriented CPUs is a very nice addition in my opinion. Makes me have high hopes for future multicore performance on next gen processors
Intel's release of non K raptor lake products has been a blessing. This cpu is strong enough to handle many GPUs with little to no bottlenecks. Curious to see how it runs with something like a 4090. I5 13400 seems solid for midrange imo. Great video as always!
The 13400 should perform about 5-10% faster than a 12400 in gaming workloads. The 4.1GHz all-core boost clock really holds it back, considering the 12600K does 4.5GHz all-core in games.
@@vloblo yeah I honestly think it's not even faster than the 12400f at the same clock. Might even lose then due to the 13400 having the E cores which wrecks some games, much higher power consumption and being much hotter.
@@tilburg8683 Clocks a bit faster (0.2 Ghz). Windows 10/11's E-core scheduler is pretty good, minimal losses in gaming. At worst, E cores runs background tasks as intended. It's a net upgrade with scummy naming making people think these are 13th gen Kaby Cove cores. It seems that Intel is not going to give any processors below 13600k real Kaby Cove cores, 13600 included.
Looks like it's priced really nice too. Though I'd happily pay the extra $10-$20 for integrated graphics to fall back on and for QuickSync if you do any kind of video editing/export.
The catch with that seems to be that a 13400F retails for 229 euro here, whereas the 13400 retails for 269 euro. That same 40 euro is the difference between a 3050 and a 3060, which is a huge difference performance wise.
Given current LGA 1700 mobo prices, i kinda really like these new i5's. They're very very very fast and you're not going to run out of threads anymore with these. Dead end platform but who cares! You're spending a lot less than if you went AM5, are getting top tier performance and can even reuse old DDR4 memory if you want.
Yep, it might be a dead-end platform but it will certainly last for the next couple of years, and with that we only have to upgrade the gpu down the path 😁
I don't feel like purchasing AM5 for "platform longevity" is as much of a consideration for the majority of people as the internet comments try to make you believe... I'm still on an i7-8700 which is perfectly capable of doing what I want it to, despite it no longer appearing on most benchmark charts 😛
@@MLWJ1993 You'll be fine I'm still on my i7-3770 and it runs most things well lol. Only things it wont are top of the line performance hog games & games that are poorly optimized. Will personally be upgrading to a 12100F system soon though. After over 10 years, I feel like it's time for a change (mainly for all the work I'm doing on it. It performing better on games is just a plus). I agree though. Platform longevity should only be considered as a bonus. Otherwise, your budget is best put to a system that gets you the most worth for your money.
Its always a breath of fresh air on the tech YT video scene to watch someone pairing components that are reasonably priced and that perform well together.
I just upgraded 2 systems to 5600G on a 300 and 400 series motherboard. Really worked a treat, going to get every cent I can out of these AM4 boards. An Asus Prime B350M-A from 2017 runs a 5600G perfectly, it feels even more stable and steady than a GA-B450M-DS3H which 3 years newer.
This seems actually a more typical conf for the Average PC gamer. I mean, the most popular GPU on Steam is the 1650. Most PC gamers don’t have deep pockets, even though when you read comments under videos of tech tubers it seems that everyone has a high end PC and upgrades all the F times.
1650 is popular on steam because of the huge amount of cheap gaming laptops that include it's weaker portable variant. Steam doesn't show you which type of GPU it is tho
@@Nonebit they do have different percentages for 3060 mobile and desktop, if I recall correctly. Still, if memory serves, they don’t have anything better than the 3060 in the top 5 and, the best GPU in the top 10 is the 3070. The 3080 is 17th or something. Ain’t saying the Steam HW survey is gospel but it is data we can look at and, Steam is the most popular online store. That data show a pretty different picture than the one you might expect reading some comments on the Internet. That’s all I’m saying. 🙂
The efficiency cores are better for having background programs. Saw a video where they disabled the efficiency cores and the performance was the exact same except for some few like 2 fps dips. The efficiency cores allow much less performance loss if you like having your entire search history open while playing a game.
If I understand the launch info correctly, the 13400F is just a tweaked 12th gen. Only some of the higher SKUs are actually new. Hence, the differences vs. a 12400F are likely minimal, though beyond that I wonder just how much the gain would be from either CPU over a 10400F. Hmm, an x400F generational roundup would be interesting to see the scaling, if any, between generations, as even today the 8400 is quite popular on ebay.
The 13400 is essentially a 12600K with lower clocks. Consequently, the 13500 is just 13600K with lower clocks, which I honestly think is a better buy for only $20-30 more.
Outstanding. I guess i wasn't paying attention to the beginning narrative because you had me worried there wasn't going to be a comparison, but you nailed it at the end. It would have been a missed opportunity. You knocked this one out of the park. There is a lacking of cpu scaling content at the mid to lower end Intel chips presently and this was what i've been watching for. This is one of my favorite videos of yours. I'd keep riding this pony. Bigger channels are appealing to the biased masses and seemingly only scaling the new ryzen chips with only the high end intel chips making appearances. I'm sure it's hard work because not many do much of it consistently. Regardless, good show.
2024, I have a prebuilt PC with an RTX 4060, 16 gigs DDR5, and this CPU. The CPU is literally perfect for the GPU, neither have ever noticeably bottlenecked the other, and the PC stays quiet and cool even under 100% load on both components. I want to upgrade but at the same time, I don't really have a reason too lol
Dude, thank you for making these videos, always been hard for me to wrap my head around pc building testing and all the bits between. Your videos have been a crutch of comfort thank you for that!
I got a i5 13500 in the tray version, that way i saved about 20€. I built my new system yesterday with a Strix B660-f which also had the newest bios on it. Im very satasfied with it's performance but power consumption could be a little bit lower i think, or maybe im thinking that way because i upgraded from an i5 10400f. At first i was worrying about my AIO not fiting the LGA 1700 because its an enermax aquafusion 360mm without an actual LGA 1700 installation kit, but fortunately the more expensive and high end-like (only) asus mainboards all have like a double hole cutout for installing different kinds of coolers so that way i was able to fit my LGA 1200 bracket on that board without thermal issues.
This comparison is much more helpful and meaning full. You did an awesome video. Most ppl use a top tier Motherboard and ram which will not give useful info to budget gamers ... thank you
Great review, i like that you used a budget gpu, with the settings most of us will use, and demonstrated that, the new chip, won't matter much in terms of gaming. Using settings or gpus that nobody will pair, shows different things, but i like to see how my system will behave, and not how many frames the cpu will hit at 720p paired with a rtx 4090
Beautifully spoken and presented, sir! I thought about subscribing to you after this video, then I noticed that I was already subscribed... to a fellow Englishman! I'm planning on buying this year an ASUS Prime 660-M motherboard with the i5-13400F (with better cooler) paired with the RTX 3070 and 32 GB of 3600 MHz DD4 RAM and a 1TB M.2 SSD. 😃👍 And you are right: the 13400 is not a "budget" processor (13th Gen FFS!) but a mid-range one... unlike other RUclipsrs claim!
the performance is depressing in the US being $43 more expensive as someone wanting to upgrade from a 10100 I am 100% gonna go with the 12400/F just waiting a bit to see if the prices drop
A number of years back when I had more disposable income and was just getting into 3D rendering and occasional video work, I built an X58 based system with 6 sticks of memory, 3x water cooled GPUs and an i7 with 4 cores and 8 threads (was somewhat impressive for the time). Since I enjoyed the tinkering aspect and was having too much fun on ebay.. I went from the i7 930 to a used Xeon X5650 for the additional cores. Then, like a moron I thought "well if 6 cores is better than 4, how far can I push this?" and rebuilt around a Xeon e5-2692 v2, 12 cores and 24 threads.. I'd never seen so many threads in task manager and you bet it ripped through multithreaded workloads For somewhat modern comparison, the multithread score in Cinebench was about on par with a first gen Ryzen 1700, but was released ~3.5 years earlier. Gaming power demands have gone up significantly since then, but hobby rendering workloads not so much.. Sure you can render faster with high end stuff, but for a hobby you can just render overnight any big tasks and it's the general feel while working that matters most. For that, the 12400F is actually plenty powerful enough. With half the core count of the old Xeon it's still 30% faster in multi core workloads and single core is an utterly insane improvement I feel quite confident in saying the 12400F is the new Sandy Bridge.. I still have a 2500k that I threw together in a back room out of spare parts as a general office work machine but even today it's still snappy and surprisingly capable given how cheap they were when new. The 12400F is the same, remarkable performance for the price tag and likely enough to get by for many years to come. I already have a 3080 paired with mine and will likely upgrade the GPU once more before I even consider a new CPU
I recommend you to test cpus with the RPCS3 emulator. A really demanding cpu program and you can see the real performance of every cpu you test. Even more with the games that aren't fully playable, like God of War 3, Red Dead Redemption and the Infamous games.
Just assembled a budget-ish ITX build using this + a used kit of 32GB DDR5 5600m-t CL40 & a used 2070 Super that I re-pasted. So far it appears to be very good at 1080p!
1:33 how much faster? I use davinci, and I would love to see a lineup of good, mid range, normal systems and do speed tests side by side. That's why I get frustrated with people like Linus and Jay, while their content is good, perhaps even excellent, the focus too much on super high end stuff, or really rare bits of tech, and, I love that, but I also can't relate. That's why RGHD is my go to "daily driver" channel. You produce excellent and *RELATABLE* content.
the 13th gen intel chips are quite impressive, i recently upgraded from a 5800x to a i7 13700k. i know its not exactly budget but to me its a great example of how good intel is now days
I agree but i prefer to keep my r7-5800x rig cause i plan to upgrade again only when zen5/zen6 comes out on a better developed and cheaper ddr5+pcie5.0 platform in the future. I might consider going back to Intel (16th or 17th gen) who knows, whatever brand gives me the best bang for buck platform comes home with me! I'm not an AMD fanboy, in 2020-2021 when i made my current PC my parts where the best i can afford with my budget. The only upgrade i might do it's a 599€ card that makes me play 4k@144hz maxed out without the need of upscalers. Right now i'll enjoy my rx6750xt XFX Merc Black (599€ in June2022). Only with s.a.m. + undervolt and overclock (2823mhz) i have the same performance as a stock 3070ti 😎 Games arent getting more demanding yet and i never seen my "old" hardware struggle, no need to upgrade anytime soon 😎
I am building my new Pc, finishing it after this video actually! It is a 12400f I found new for 140 USD and a b660 MSI Bazooka 145 USD. Carrying over my ram and gpu from my last build. I-5 9600k, Z370 ATX Gigabyte Board, Trident Z 3600, and an Asus Dual RTX 3060ti. This video makes me feel good about the pairing. VS the 13400f the 12400f looks to be a great value. Thank you for your hard work and appreciate the content RGINHD!
Here in Indonesia, 13500 is an Absolute Bang! Always sold out everywhere, and many Indonesian tech RUclipsr always recommend it for a new builders out there. So for everyone here who wants to build a new desktop setup, i really recommend it!
Don't forget to mention that this cpu boost with the stock cooler only at 4100 MHz, which is terribly low, maybe also the cheap mobo is the root cause, but this cpu due OC3D could run at full load of P-Cores at 4600Mhz which is much better, we all await MSI B760 Max MORTAR which will have external clock grnerator and allows you to overclock non-K cpu via BCLK e.g. from 100MHz to 125MHz then we will see this cpu boosted around 5GHz at all P-Cores and that will be the real deal for us. Thanks for review!
I still feel like a "budget" gamer but my specs are beyond budget and more into high end now. Started off with budget parts so maybe that's why! Great video and review as always!
I upgraded from a 12100F to a 13400F. And it’s cool to see so many threads in task manager but I’m rocking a stock cooler and a B660 motherboard with all cpu power setting set to maximum. And well…. For me its not faster than the 12100F because it just hits the thermal and power limit immediately! So now I need to buy a new cooler asswell 🤦♂️ .
The clock speeds were a bit odd, weren't they? Looking at skinflint, it's supposed to hit 4.6 ghz with turbo boost 2.0. I'm not very familiar with Intel, is that something you can only enable in more expensive motherboards?
0:59 Your system RAM is your biggest limiting factor here, is it adequate? Yes. for about another 2 years or so, but really with a 3060ti? I have 32 GB installed (same clocks unsure about timings since you didn't mention.) and even then, I still want more RAM. I want to be able to have multiple browser tabs open, multiple programs running in the background AND be able to game at 1440p, 60fps. And that 3060TI can do it too.
"I want to be able to have multiple browser tabs open, multiple programs running in the background AND be able to game at 1440p, 60fps." Aka you want to not really do anything but benchmark your system just to notice that nothing you describe here gets any benefit from over 32 GB RAM what so ever.
@@ABaumstumpf honestly yeah. i have 32gb of ram and regularly use 18+ but only because i use my pc as my "everything" machine: a game server, a game client, a plex server, etc all in addition to regular web browsing / programming / etc. you need a serious excess of background tasks for it to matter lol
You typically don't see games allocating work to E-cores, at least not for primary game logic since those benefit from higher clockspeeds of the P-cores. In spiderman they're used for asynchronous tasks (like shader compilation) though so they're not entirely useless in gaming either.
I will be "upgrading" my Pentium G7400 to that i5 in the future. I won't be soon, as the price for that i5 13400 is a bit too high. But when it is the price of something like a i5 10400f, I will definitely get one.
That's not a bad little CPU at all, and if I was going for a more realistic/less extreme build, then I'd certainly consider this, as it seems to be more than adequate at pretty much anything.
TestingGames channel did the same comparison i5 13400f vs i5 12400f but he has 10-20 difference. He is using rtx 4090 at 1080p, do you think that is possible adding better gpu than rtx 3060 ti?
An interesting note about the 13400 and 13500, the 13400 is an ADL chip while the 13500 is RPL, aside from the clock/ecore differences I wonder how performance changes along with the slight tweaks that come with RPL (namely improved ecore/ring behavior and a stronger IMC)
Running these games at ultra settings is a poor way to test cpu differences, you could have thrown a 10400f in there and get similar results because the GPU was being a bottleneck instead
I still use a i7 10750h laptop with a rtx2060. 1080p ultra mode with Forza Horizon 4 with the new engine update . Still runs the game over 117Fps and about 93fps low . Forza is really good with using your hardware . I will test forza 5 soon on that laptop.
Im using one with a 4080 super in 1440p ultra and 4k with 0 issues. Gettinf 96 to 97% gpu utilization which im fine with. Little monster cou that can handle this thing. Def a bit cpu limited and in 1080p def noticeable but that isnt how om going to be using it so doesnt matter to me.
This video was helpful in upgrading my roommate's PC from a 6600K to a 13400F. Not only does that old thing have 4 cores with no multithreading, but the highest memory frequency it supports is 2133. So my man's getting a pretty sizeable upgrade! The 12400F was about $20 cheaper, so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to not go for the 13 just to further future proof things by juuuuust that much. Didn't go with a K because it was about $50 more and he definitely won't need anything like that for enough time to go until the next full upgrade. CPU is still going to be more powerful than the 1080 he's got in there and when he does inevitably get a new GPU he's not the kind of guy who is going to be spending over $500 on one.
You should mention what operating system you use since windows 11 was made with Intel in mind. I don't think Linux or windows 10 can leverage the different core frequencies of the performance and efficiency cores, and would more than likely slow the system compared to previous gen CPU's.
@@Joe-B-B can ask you the same damn thing with your statement 🤣, however i have common knowledge on my site. Adjusting settings is like oc your pc, most people just dont do it. They Set graphics to high or Medium and call it a day. Most are also no tryhards 🤷🏼♂️
@@theplayerofus319 It was literally such a big thing that you can't adjust your FOV on console, that they implement it on the next gen consoles. Maybe it's just me then, idk😅
HOW MANY TIMES do you require that to be done? It is a moving target as DDR5 gets slowly cheaper and faster. I still do not see the extra money worthwhile but i do know that changes with every week that go's past
I know this doesnt really have anything to do with the video but I think it would be nice to add cpu wattage in your msi afterburner OSD. Since electricity prices are going up and sometimes when you compare amd to intel cpus you could see that intel uses way more or the other way around. I think it just would be some cool data
RUBBISH ,, AMD uses way more electricity in REAL world. YES , the AMD shill lies are being exposed. Example AMD at idle 54 watts ,, intel at idle 9 watts. :)
6:29 Do you understand that some games like Cyberpunk etc. are focused on GPU usage and CPU doesn't reallu matter in those games? Better show Far Cry 6 or other game focused on CPU/Ram usage. Also your power limits are locked, clock frequency explain all.
Nice review, as always. I also heard some rumors about the i3-13300/F with 6 cores 12 threads. Perhaps you can do a video comparing that (when it got released of course) to the older 12400F? Should be interesting IMO, to see how far i3 has gone
@@thefreemonk6938 i'm not really sure since there's not much info about that (other than some stores in my country listed that CPU on their website early), but that rumour spread like wild fire in some local tech forums in my country
Would you be able to test old games from the 2000s with the P/E cores? I"m curious if there's any compatibility issues? A video like that would really be appreciated, cheers!
Why do you use h610 motherboard? I bought a new pc (from i3 2310m and GeForce 410m to i3 12100f and RX 6500 XT) and did some research on the differences between b660 and h610 motherboards and discovered that h610 doesn't support dual channel memory.
This is the best choice for gaming. For me the most important data is the cpu usage (less than 80% in any game). Why dont you try using Vulkan with the strongest game? That may make better results or at least interesant.
I bought this a few days ago and installed it, bloody brilliant. I couldn't believe the performance improvement from using an old i5 3rd gen to upgrading to this
I've heard good things, yes. I'm personally coming from an i7 3rd gen myself & after over 10 years, I've started to feel its age in both work & games. Will personally be upgrading to a 12100F soon (got it for $85!) which should be enough for my needs, I can't wait!
@@KilliKonKarnage granted, while I've also transferred to using SATA SSDs along those years, I'll also be moving to M.2 NVMes for this upgrade, which seems to be even better. I imagine loading/saving & copying/transferring workfiles would be extremely efficient with it, based on what I've seen.
In CPU heavy workloads, will the VRM become an issue on such an low end board? Have you tested Prime95 for a couple of hours and check the VRM temp? I mean, this board doesn't even have a VRM heatsink!
Is the motherboard the reason for the low 4.1 GHz clock speed? The CPU is supposed to boost to 4.6 GHz on all cores, but that must be without the 65 W power limit. Anyway, in Poland, the 12400F costs about $143, the 13400F costs about $203. Gigantic difference for very little gain. The entire 13th gen locked i5 line-up is a rehash of Alder Lake. The 13400F is literally a 12600K (identical core count and cache), but with lower clocks.
@@vlad54rus-a But that cannot be true on motherboards with a Z chipset. I am certain you can set the highest single-core boost multiplier for all cores. At least that used to be the case with older CPUs. I guess B and H chipsets do not allow that, since it is kind of like overclocking.
@@vlad54rus-a Wow, that is terrible, especially compared to the Ryzen 7600, which boosts to ~5 GHz on all cores and you can overclock it. Thanks for the info, I will make sure to stay away from locked Intel CPUs.
We live in an age where budget cpus are still cheap with plenty o performance to be used for years but budget gpus of the same kind don't exist
Yeah hopefully some day
Maybe the best price/performance budget GPU is the RX 6600.
More like we cant fine any "finewine" graphics card, when the time gtx1060 or rx570 domination all benchmark games but when the game are way more realistic and also poor optimization then there's a problem since most of budget card now still not powerful enough as p/p than CPU itself, if exist the price are not "budget"
6600? 6650 xt? 6700 xt?
@@AndreFreitas91250 grabbed one last month. It's perfect if you stick to 1080p but not really above.
I notice that more expensive 13500 is completely different beast. Got 4 extra cores\threads, 200mhz bump turbo and gpu for £40 more. It is interesting decision.
Yeah that does look tempting indeed
Was going to comment exactly this. 13500 looks like the sweet spot in this generation
Hopefully the performance is as good as it sounds, that would make the 13500 a really good option for 1200 dollar builds
probably better off with a 13600k because of the extra cache
Do you need extra 4 E-cores for desktop!! I guess we don't need efficiency cores from a gaming point of view. If it's a laptop, it makes sense.
Really appreciate the different coloured results for 13400f in the comparison section. Made it way easier to understand
The addition of E-cores into Intel's budget oriented CPUs is a very nice addition in my opinion. Makes me have high hopes for future multicore performance on next gen processors
@Lurch Just out of curiosity, what makes you stay away from E-Cores?
@@tech_evolved because amd is the little guy and people have no problem paying massive premiums for anything they buy... intel or amd
Actually, they are almost completely useless for desktops 😁It would be better to have 2 more regular cores instead of 4 "little ones" .
am I the only guy who wants 4-P cores but 16-E cores?
@@aleksazunjic9672 pretty sure the size is 1P to 4E on the die
Intel's release of non K raptor lake products has been a blessing. This cpu is strong enough to handle many GPUs with little to no bottlenecks. Curious to see how it runs with something like a 4090. I5 13400 seems solid for midrange imo. Great video as always!
Definitely, and thank you :)
13400/13500 is Alder Lake refreshed, not Raptor Lake.
The 13400 should perform about 5-10% faster than a 12400 in gaming workloads. The 4.1GHz all-core boost clock really holds it back, considering the 12600K does 4.5GHz all-core in games.
@@vloblo yeah I honestly think it's not even faster than the 12400f at the same clock. Might even lose then due to the 13400 having the E cores which wrecks some games, much higher power consumption and being much hotter.
@@tilburg8683 Clocks a bit faster (0.2 Ghz). Windows 10/11's E-core scheduler is pretty good, minimal losses in gaming. At worst, E cores runs background tasks as intended. It's a net upgrade with scummy naming making people think these are 13th gen Kaby Cove cores. It seems that Intel is not going to give any processors below 13600k real Kaby Cove cores, 13600 included.
Looks like it's priced really nice too. Though I'd happily pay the extra $10-$20 for integrated graphics to fall back on and for QuickSync if you do any kind of video editing/export.
Ah yeah good shout. IGPU can be a lifesaver sometimes
The catch with that seems to be that a 13400F retails for 229 euro here, whereas the 13400 retails for 269 euro. That same 40 euro is the difference between a 3050 and a 3060, which is a huge difference performance wise.
and to have an actual useable PC if your graphics card dies in the meantime, or for troubleshooting
@@fermitupoupon1754 Good point, would never try to talk anyone out of a 3060 vs 3050 because of $40 euro.
This CPU already has 12 cores. Quicksync isn't that required.
Given current LGA 1700 mobo prices, i kinda really like these new i5's. They're very very very fast and you're not going to run out of threads anymore with these. Dead end platform but who cares! You're spending a lot less than if you went AM5, are getting top tier performance and can even reuse old DDR4 memory if you want.
Yep, it might be a dead-end platform but it will certainly last for the next couple of years, and with that we only have to upgrade the gpu down the path 😁
@Cake it'll last for atleast 5 years
I don't feel like purchasing AM5 for "platform longevity" is as much of a consideration for the majority of people as the internet comments try to make you believe...
I'm still on an i7-8700 which is perfectly capable of doing what I want it to, despite it no longer appearing on most benchmark charts 😛
@@MLWJ1993 You'll be fine I'm still on my i7-3770 and it runs most things well lol. Only things it wont are top of the line performance hog games & games that are poorly optimized.
Will personally be upgrading to a 12100F system soon though. After over 10 years, I feel like it's time for a change (mainly for all the work I'm doing on it. It performing better on games is just a plus).
I agree though. Platform longevity should only be considered as a bonus. Otherwise, your budget is best put to a system that gets you the most worth for your money.
@@Don_Akane89 Get i5 12400f if you can. 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads will give it another long run as your i7 3770 did.
Its always a breath of fresh air on the tech YT video scene to watch someone pairing components that are reasonably priced and that perform well together.
I just upgraded 2 systems to 5600G on a 300 and 400 series motherboard. Really worked a treat, going to get every cent I can out of these AM4 boards. An Asus Prime B350M-A from 2017 runs a 5600G perfectly, it feels even more stable and steady than a GA-B450M-DS3H which 3 years newer.
This seems actually a more typical conf for the Average PC gamer. I mean, the most popular GPU on Steam is the 1650. Most PC gamers don’t have deep pockets, even though when you read comments under videos of tech tubers it seems that everyone has a high end PC and upgrades all the F times.
You wrong ma man, the most popular GPU is Other. Ba dum tss!
@@jetblack15 Fancy seeing you here. LOL.
1650 is popular on steam because of the huge amount of cheap gaming laptops that include it's weaker portable variant. Steam doesn't show you which type of GPU it is tho
@@Nonebit they do have different percentages for 3060 mobile and desktop, if I recall correctly. Still, if memory serves, they don’t have anything better than the 3060 in the top 5 and, the best GPU in the top 10 is the 3070. The 3080 is 17th or something.
Ain’t saying the Steam HW survey is gospel but it is data we can look at and, Steam is the most popular online store. That data show a pretty different picture than the one you might expect reading some comments on the Internet. That’s all I’m saying. 🙂
The efficiency cores are better for having background programs. Saw a video where they disabled the efficiency cores and the performance was the exact same except for some few like 2 fps dips. The efficiency cores allow much less performance loss if you like having your entire search history open while playing a game.
If I understand the launch info correctly, the 13400F is just a tweaked 12th gen. Only some of the higher SKUs are actually new. Hence, the differences vs. a 12400F are likely minimal, though beyond that I wonder just how much the gain would be from either CPU over a 10400F. Hmm, an x400F generational roundup would be interesting to see the scaling, if any, between generations, as even today the 8400 is quite popular on ebay.
Almost; the 13400 gets four E-cores.
Essentially, you get a 12400 that gets to dedicate all of its P-cores to games.
The 13400 is essentially a 12600K with lower clocks. Consequently, the 13500 is just 13600K with lower clocks, which I honestly think is a better buy for only $20-30 more.
Exactly it's a 12400 with higher base clocks, E cores (which Imo is a bad thing really unless you also do a lot of things besides gaming).
@@steph_on_yt 13500 is alder lake based, it does not have extra L2 cache that comes with raptor lake (13600k +)
@@anusmcgee4150 I meant the architecture, but yes there's changes to core counts, cache and the usual.
Outstanding. I guess i wasn't paying attention to the beginning narrative because you had me worried there wasn't going to be a comparison, but you nailed it at the end. It would have been a missed opportunity. You knocked this one out of the park. There is a lacking of cpu scaling content at the mid to lower end Intel chips presently and this was what i've been watching for. This is one of my favorite videos of yours. I'd keep riding this pony. Bigger channels are appealing to the biased masses and seemingly only scaling the new ryzen chips with only the high end intel chips making appearances. I'm sure it's hard work because not many do much of it consistently. Regardless, good show.
Thank you :)
2024, I have a prebuilt PC with an RTX 4060, 16 gigs DDR5, and this CPU. The CPU is literally perfect for the GPU, neither have ever noticeably bottlenecked the other, and the PC stays quiet and cool even under 100% load on both components. I want to upgrade but at the same time, I don't really have a reason too lol
i've got the 12400F with a 3070Ti for my living room pc and that is bloody awesome. i have no doubt that the 13400F also is bloody awesome
Dude, thank you for making these videos, always been hard for me to wrap my head around pc building testing and all the bits between. Your videos have been a crutch of comfort thank you for that!
I got a i5 13500 in the tray version, that way i saved about 20€. I built my new system yesterday with a Strix B660-f which also had the newest bios on it. Im very satasfied with it's performance but power consumption could be a little bit lower i think, or maybe im thinking that way because i upgraded from an i5 10400f. At first i was worrying about my AIO not fiting the LGA 1700 because its an enermax aquafusion 360mm without an actual LGA 1700 installation kit, but fortunately the more expensive and high end-like (only) asus mainboards all have like a double hole cutout for installing different kinds of coolers so that way i was able to fit my LGA 1200 bracket on that board without thermal issues.
This comparison is much more helpful and meaning full. You did an awesome video. Most ppl use a top tier Motherboard and ram which will not give useful info to budget gamers ... thank you
Great review, i like that you used a budget gpu, with the settings most of us will use, and demonstrated that, the new chip, won't matter much in terms of gaming.
Using settings or gpus that nobody will pair, shows different things, but i like to see how my system will behave, and not how many frames the cpu will hit at 720p paired with a rtx 4090
I was waiting for this video, thank you.
Hope you enjoyed it!
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Wow you actually review this cpu first than those bigger tech you tubers
Thanks for testing it with a more reasonable GPU, really helps to put things into perspective.
Glad you liked it!
Beautifully spoken and presented, sir! I thought about subscribing to you after this video, then I noticed that I was already subscribed... to a fellow Englishman! I'm planning on buying this year an ASUS Prime 660-M motherboard with the i5-13400F (with better cooler) paired with the RTX 3070 and 32 GB of 3600 MHz DD4 RAM and a 1TB M.2 SSD. 😃👍 And you are right: the 13400 is not a "budget" processor (13th Gen FFS!) but a mid-range one... unlike other RUclipsrs claim!
the performance is depressing in the US being $43 more expensive as someone wanting to upgrade from a 10100 I am 100% gonna go with the 12400/F just waiting a bit to see if the prices drop
I never knew I needed the "Motherboards on mossy brick" aethstetic, but i'm glad you do it.
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Just built a build for a friend with a 12400f and 3060ti! Runs all games amazing.
Wow
A number of years back when I had more disposable income and was just getting into 3D rendering and occasional video work, I built an X58 based system with 6 sticks of memory, 3x water cooled GPUs and an i7 with 4 cores and 8 threads (was somewhat impressive for the time).
Since I enjoyed the tinkering aspect and was having too much fun on ebay.. I went from the i7 930 to a used Xeon X5650 for the additional cores.
Then, like a moron I thought "well if 6 cores is better than 4, how far can I push this?" and rebuilt around a Xeon e5-2692 v2, 12 cores and 24 threads.. I'd never seen so many threads in task manager and you bet it ripped through multithreaded workloads
For somewhat modern comparison, the multithread score in Cinebench was about on par with a first gen Ryzen 1700, but was released ~3.5 years earlier.
Gaming power demands have gone up significantly since then, but hobby rendering workloads not so much.. Sure you can render faster with high end stuff, but for a hobby you can just render overnight any big tasks and it's the general feel while working that matters most. For that, the 12400F is actually plenty powerful enough.
With half the core count of the old Xeon it's still 30% faster in multi core workloads and single core is an utterly insane improvement
I feel quite confident in saying the 12400F is the new Sandy Bridge.. I still have a 2500k that I threw together in a back room out of spare parts as a general office work machine but even today it's still snappy and surprisingly capable given how cheap they were when new. The 12400F is the same, remarkable performance for the price tag and likely enough to get by for many years to come.
I already have a 3080 paired with mine and will likely upgrade the GPU once more before I even consider a new CPU
I recommend you to test cpus with the RPCS3 emulator. A really demanding cpu program and you can see the real performance of every cpu you test. Even more with the games that aren't fully playable, like God of War 3, Red Dead Redemption and the Infamous games.
Just assembled a budget-ish ITX build using this + a used kit of 32GB DDR5 5600m-t CL40 & a used 2070 Super that I re-pasted. So far it appears to be very good at 1080p!
We need a 13500 review 😎
1:33 how much faster? I use davinci, and I would love to see a lineup of good, mid range, normal systems and do speed tests side by side. That's why I get frustrated with people like Linus and Jay, while their content is good, perhaps even excellent, the focus too much on super high end stuff, or really rare bits of tech, and, I love that, but I also can't relate. That's why RGHD is my go to "daily driver" channel. You produce excellent and *RELATABLE* content.
the 13th gen intel chips are quite impressive, i recently upgraded from a 5800x to a i7 13700k. i know its not exactly budget but to me its a great example of how good intel is now days
I agree but i prefer to keep my r7-5800x rig cause i plan to upgrade again only when zen5/zen6 comes out on a better developed and cheaper ddr5+pcie5.0 platform in the future. I might consider going back to Intel (16th or 17th gen) who knows, whatever brand gives me the best bang for buck platform comes home with me!
I'm not an AMD fanboy, in 2020-2021 when i made my current PC my parts where the best i can afford with my budget. The only upgrade i might do it's a 599€ card that makes me play 4k@144hz maxed out without the need of upscalers. Right now i'll enjoy my rx6750xt XFX Merc Black (599€ in June2022). Only with s.a.m. + undervolt and overclock (2823mhz) i have the same performance as a stock 3070ti 😎
Games arent getting more demanding yet and i never seen my "old" hardware struggle, no need to upgrade anytime soon 😎
too small upgrade
I am building my new Pc, finishing it after this video actually! It is a 12400f I found new for 140 USD and a b660 MSI Bazooka 145 USD. Carrying over my ram and gpu from my last build. I-5 9600k, Z370 ATX Gigabyte Board, Trident Z 3600, and an Asus Dual RTX 3060ti. This video makes me feel good about the pairing. VS the 13400f the 12400f looks to be a great value. Thank you for your hard work and appreciate the content RGINHD!
13400f is the same price as the 12600k in my region making it DOA but that being said, x400f chips do usually drop in price quickly
First ever review of a processor that will be very popular for years to come ^_^
Here in Indonesia, 13500 is an Absolute Bang! Always sold out everywhere, and many Indonesian tech RUclipsr always recommend it for a new builders out there. So for everyone here who wants to build a new desktop setup, i really recommend it!
Really love those garden b-rolls you do to present the hardware.
Glad you like them!
much thanks for the review 😍
I might buy the 13500 in the future for a production build.
I just got a pc with the regular 12gb 3060 and the i5 13400f, thank you for this video!
Wanna get the 13400f bit it is but is expensive, but great choice
The card tanks when nanite is on and ray trace but other than that the card performs well with the processor!!!
Don't forget to mention that this cpu boost with the stock cooler only at 4100 MHz, which is terribly low, maybe also the cheap mobo is the root cause, but this cpu due OC3D could run at full load of P-Cores at 4600Mhz which is much better, we all await MSI B760 Max MORTAR which will have external clock grnerator and allows you to overclock non-K cpu via BCLK e.g. from 100MHz to 125MHz then we will see this cpu boosted around 5GHz at all P-Cores and that will be the real deal for us. Thanks for review!
I still feel like a "budget" gamer but my specs are beyond budget and more into high end now. Started off with budget parts so maybe that's why! Great video and review as always!
Linus seemed to point out that the non-K SKUs of the 13th gen chips got a paper launch. Your review is the only one I have seen so far
I upgraded from a 12100F to a 13400F. And it’s cool to see so many threads in task manager but I’m rocking a stock cooler and a B660 motherboard with all cpu power setting set to maximum. And well…. For me its not faster than the 12100F because it just hits the thermal and power limit immediately! So now I need to buy a new cooler asswell 🤦♂️ .
i use the old classic evo 212 black on my 12600k. works nice, and was like $21 (run it on a asus b660 with powerlimit set to 240watt)
The H610 is probably costing this cpu a lot of performance. A decent B660 (B760) will hold the 13400 Boost clock a LOT longer/higher.
yep that board is garbage, cpu is throttling hard.
p-cores are running at 4090mhz, which is the highest a 13400 can go
The clock speeds were a bit odd, weren't they? Looking at skinflint, it's supposed to hit 4.6 ghz with turbo boost 2.0.
I'm not very familiar with Intel, is that something you can only enable in more expensive motherboards?
I would like an answer to this question too as i am looking at buying this combo in a couple of weeks time.
i'd like to see your 10400 get in on this action.
Thank you very muck mate. The 12400F is what I'll buy. Let''s hope the price goes down a little. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, and enjoy your new cpu!
Thank you so much I was building my first gaming computer and did not know what the fan was for that was included
P.s. I was in a panic until I watched your video. Couldn't find anything online
Looking forward i5 13500 review!
Thanks for the video, would have been good to add the 12/13 gen i3 results to the graphic at the end. Cheers!
The wind was uncooperative in that intro, repeatedly nudging the box and outing it as empty.
0:59 Your system RAM is your biggest limiting factor here, is it adequate? Yes. for about another 2 years or so, but really with a 3060ti? I have 32 GB installed (same clocks unsure about timings since you didn't mention.) and even then, I still want more RAM. I want to be able to have multiple browser tabs open, multiple programs running in the background AND be able to game at 1440p, 60fps. And that 3060TI can do it too.
"I want to be able to have multiple browser tabs open, multiple programs running in the background AND be able to game at 1440p, 60fps."
Aka you want to not really do anything but benchmark your system just to notice that nothing you describe here gets any benefit from over 32 GB RAM what so ever.
@@ABaumstumpf honestly yeah. i have 32gb of ram and regularly use 18+ but only because i use my pc as my "everything" machine: a game server, a game client, a plex server, etc all in addition to regular web browsing / programming / etc. you need a serious excess of background tasks for it to matter lol
Gread video, it will be better if you could show the usage of P & E cores, so it will be clear if E cores is recognized and used properly by games
You typically don't see games allocating work to E-cores, at least not for primary game logic since those benefit from higher clockspeeds of the P-cores.
In spiderman they're used for asynchronous tasks (like shader compilation) though so they're not entirely useless in gaming either.
I will be "upgrading" my Pentium G7400 to that i5 in the future. I won't be soon, as the price for that i5 13400 is a bit too high. But when it is the price of something like a i5 10400f, I will definitely get one.
Excited to see how it does in Premiere.
That's not a bad little CPU at all, and if I was going for a more realistic/less extreme build, then I'd certainly consider this, as it seems to be more than adequate at pretty much anything.
TestingGames channel did the same comparison i5 13400f vs i5 12400f but he has 10-20 difference. He is using rtx 4090 at 1080p, do you think that is possible adding better gpu than rtx 3060 ti?
An interesting note about the 13400 and 13500, the 13400 is an ADL chip while the 13500 is RPL, aside from the clock/ecore differences I wonder how performance changes along with the slight tweaks that come with RPL (namely improved ecore/ring behavior and a stronger IMC)
All chips below i5-13600k are ADL ...
400f series are something else.
Running these games at ultra settings is a poor way to test cpu differences, you could have thrown a 10400f in there and get similar results because the GPU was being a bottleneck instead
what is the point of cpu testing when gpu bound? It is not 13400f test, but 13400f + 3060ti. It will be obsolete, when 4060 will come out.
I'm still oh so very happy with my i5 10600k + 3060 12GB thank you very much! :)
I still use a i7 10750h laptop with a rtx2060.
1080p ultra mode with Forza Horizon 4 with the new engine update .
Still runs the game over 117Fps and about 93fps low .
Forza is really good with using your hardware .
I will test forza 5 soon on that laptop.
1440p videos are always a treat🙂
Great vid!!!
Im using one with a 4080 super in 1440p ultra and 4k with 0 issues. Gettinf 96 to 97% gpu utilization which im fine with. Little monster cou that can handle this thing. Def a bit cpu limited and in 1080p def noticeable but that isnt how om going to be using it so doesnt matter to me.
would love the see the 13400 vs the 13500 since the 13500 has 8 e cores vs the 4 e cores on the 13400
This video was helpful in upgrading my roommate's PC from a 6600K to a 13400F. Not only does that old thing have 4 cores with no multithreading, but the highest memory frequency it supports is 2133. So my man's getting a pretty sizeable upgrade! The 12400F was about $20 cheaper, so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to not go for the 13 just to further future proof things by juuuuust that much. Didn't go with a K because it was about $50 more and he definitely won't need anything like that for enough time to go until the next full upgrade. CPU is still going to be more powerful than the 1080 he's got in there and when he does inevitably get a new GPU he's not the kind of guy who is going to be spending over $500 on one.
6600k to 13400f is not an upgrade , it's a sidegrade, since you have to ditch your motherboard for lga12000
You should mention what operating system you use since windows 11 was made with Intel in mind. I don't think Linux or windows 10 can leverage the different core frequencies of the performance and efficiency cores, and would more than likely slow the system compared to previous gen CPU's.
excellent video 💘🔥🔥
its been while since this video posted but I wonder what is your thoughts about i5 13500 or 14500
In next video I would like to see Power Usage, because 12400f was super efficient chip for gaming and daily use.
Nice video as always! Just a tip..Try and adjust your FOV in MW2 as I'm sure nobody plays with the default FOV settings.
most play with normal fov ...
@The player of us most pc players? Would like to know where you get that information from?
@@Joe-B-B can ask you the same damn thing with your statement 🤣, however i have common knowledge on my site. Adjusting settings is like oc your pc, most people just dont do it. They Set graphics to high or Medium and call it a day. Most are also no tryhards 🤷🏼♂️
@@theplayerofus319 It was literally such a big thing that you can't adjust your FOV on console, that they implement it on the next gen consoles. Maybe it's just me then, idk😅
I believe every single 13th gen intel cpu is more than enough in 2023 games
Just built my very first pc! I3 10300 and a rx 5600xt, I'm planning on upgrading the CPU at some point but for now it works good!
Awesome :)
@@RandomGaminginHD Did you see my comment a bit ago? I really am serious about selling my old system, if you're interested.
Cool video idea would be to see if DDR5 matters on budget hardware or if it's worth it
HOW MANY TIMES do you require that to be done? It is a moving target as DDR5 gets slowly cheaper and faster. I still do not see the extra money worthwhile but i do know that changes with every week that go's past
Is this better than Ryzen 7 5700X? For gaming and editing
I know this doesnt really have anything to do with the video but I think it would be nice to add cpu wattage in your msi afterburner OSD. Since electricity prices are going up and sometimes when you compare amd to intel cpus you could see that intel uses way more or the other way around. I think it just would be some cool data
RUBBISH ,, AMD uses way more electricity in REAL world. YES , the AMD shill lies are being exposed. Example AMD at idle 54 watts ,, intel at idle 9 watts. :)
Do you recommend using the stock cooler with the i5 13400f?
6:29 Do you understand that some games like Cyberpunk etc. are focused on GPU usage and CPU doesn't reallu matter in those games? Better show Far Cry 6 or other game focused on CPU/Ram usage. Also your power limits are locked, clock frequency explain all.
Nice review, as always.
I also heard some rumors about the i3-13300/F with 6 cores 12 threads. Perhaps you can do a video comparing that (when it got released of course) to the older 12400F? Should be interesting IMO, to see how far i3 has gone
Is it for real?
@@thefreemonk6938 i'm not really sure since there's not much info about that (other than some stores in my country listed that CPU on their website early), but that rumour spread like wild fire in some local tech forums in my country
Would you be able to test old games from the 2000s with the P/E cores? I"m curious if there's any compatibility issues? A video like that would really be appreciated, cheers!
will there be a massive difference in performance if the i5 13400F is paired with older ddr4 memory as opposed to ddr5?
Why do you use h610 motherboard? I bought a new pc (from i3 2310m and GeForce 410m to i3 12100f and RX 6500 XT) and did some research on the differences between b660 and h610 motherboards and discovered that h610 doesn't support dual channel memory.
You got false info. H610 has dual channel but only 2 DIMM slots.
THANK YOU! Surprised this chip isn't getting more attention for PCtube
Love the vengeance lpx dram, a budget classic.
Thank you for making this video. I have a 12400 now and was wondering how this chips stacked against it.
its amazing that a budget cpu better then my i7 9700
its nice how budget gaming is alot more accessable now
This is the best choice for gaming. For me the most important data is the cpu usage (less than 80% in any game). Why dont you try using Vulkan with the strongest game? That may make better results or at least interesant.
I love how down to earth you are
What is the minimum board should
one go for a 12400f with a later upgrade possible to a e.g. 13600? And pair it with DDR4 or DDR5?
Could you start including Warzone 2 in the benchmarks? Especially on CPU benchmarks since it's very CPU heavy compared to MW2 multiplayer.
I bought this a few days ago and installed it, bloody brilliant. I couldn't believe the performance improvement from using an old i5 3rd gen to upgrading to this
I've heard good things, yes. I'm personally coming from an i7 3rd gen myself & after over 10 years, I've started to feel its age in both work & games. Will personally be upgrading to a 12100F soon (got it for $85!) which should be enough for my needs, I can't wait!
@@Don_Akane89 trust man. I've also upgraded from using over 10yr old HDD to m.2 NVMe SSDs. It's insane. Unbelievable lol
@@KilliKonKarnage granted, while I've also transferred to using SATA SSDs along those years, I'll also be moving to M.2 NVMes for this upgrade, which seems to be even better.
I imagine loading/saving & copying/transferring workfiles would be extremely efficient with it, based on what I've seen.
In CPU heavy workloads, will the VRM become an issue on such an low end board? Have you tested Prime95 for a couple of hours and check the VRM temp? I mean, this board doesn't even have a VRM heatsink!
You should consider using Cinebench R23 when testing these newer CPUs, it's a better and more representative test for them than R20 :)
Nice video. Were you using windows 10 or 11?
bro, im still gaming on a i5 4690K OC to 4.5GHz paired with a 1060 6GB. looking to get this CPU next upgrade
Is the motherboard the reason for the low 4.1 GHz clock speed? The CPU is supposed to boost to 4.6 GHz on all cores, but that must be without the 65 W power limit.
Anyway, in Poland, the 12400F costs about $143, the 13400F costs about $203. Gigantic difference for very little gain.
The entire 13th gen locked i5 line-up is a rehash of Alder Lake. The 13400F is literally a 12600K (identical core count and cache), but with lower clocks.
13400 all core boost is, and always was, 4.1 GHz. Same for 12400 where all core boost is always 4.0 GHz.
@@vlad54rus-a But that cannot be true on motherboards with a Z chipset. I am certain you can set the highest single-core boost multiplier for all cores. At least that used to be the case with older CPUs.
I guess B and H chipsets do not allow that, since it is kind of like overclocking.
@@THU31 The last gen where this was possible is Haswell. Modern non-K CPUs don't allow this anymore.
@@vlad54rus-a Wow, that is terrible, especially compared to the Ryzen 7600, which boosts to ~5 GHz on all cores and you can overclock it.
Thanks for the info, I will make sure to stay away from locked Intel CPUs.