@@whatshorts if you want to see footage of wilt and the nba in his days, check this RUclips channel: youtube.com/@WiltChamberlainArchive?si=TOf7Mpd0YrPh17y8 He has the most prolific archive of footage from wilt
@@whatshortsI don’t think he did. What I’ve heard is they just told him they had a trade ready and asked if he was cool with it and he said he didn’t want to be trade. It sounded like a verbal only agreement
I’ve always found that we need to go back and look at the formula and weighting given to TS% because I still think it favors big men (and thusly dunks) too heavily to help us distinguish the truly efficient players.
Assist to turnover ratio can be not that good (depending on the player). Some players are TOO careful with the ball and don't make risky plays that have a lot of value. Sometimes you want a passer with a worse A/TO because their genius passes are worth the mistakes. Tyrese Haliburton is great at both though, which makes him really special
Do you listen to the thinking basketball podcast? They were talking about how tyrese jumps when he passes and how it effects his non passing turnovers, pretty interesting.
0:42 google merchant here! i remembered wilt averaged 48.5 in his 50 ppg season, so i looked it up and there have been a lot of 48 minute games! even this year! so to not write the list that's hundreds of names long the most recent player to play 48 in a game was jaden ivey against portland on 2/8/24. most played this year was lauri markkanen playing 50 against phoenix in november! hell even the list of 60 minute games is decently long, most recent being jalen rose in 2001 against houston
Besides the occasional 48 minute playoff game in modern times, there is one pretty famous case of a player playing 48 minutes. and that's Wilt Chamberlain who holds the recortd for average minutes per game for a whole season with over 48 minutes!!!!!!!! FOR A WHOLE SEASON 😮😮😮😮 Wilt was just different and in this season he pretty much played every minute of every game + overtimes. Didn't need google for that ;)
Lol the wilt chamberlain thing is very common knowledge. Especially if you collected cards growing up Shaq once said he wanted to do what wilt did and play every minute of the season but gave up after a few games Also, him playing every minute heavily contributed to why he was able to average 50ppg....playing every minute of a game in an era where pace was at its highest made it possible for him to do
@@whatshorts not just wilt... everyone's stats were very inflated compared to now due to the break neck pace of the time....the fast break was the most popular/innovative offense at the time so everyone was getting buckets, assists and of course rebound numbers were inflated due to pace and God awful shooting of the time (not cause people couldn't shoot but shot selection/settling for jumpers was very common)
@@whatshorts sorry I shouldn’t have said ‘bad’ but it’s not perfect. Because I don’t think you can use it to compare this season to a previous season because of the use of the average of 15. What if the average player this season is better than the average player last season? Then the whole metric is thrown off - I could be wrong tho
@@soodhookuIt’s not perfect but year after year 8 of the 10 guys who lead in it are 8 of the 10 best players in the NBA, so it means something. There’s always a couple guys that don’t belong, but it beats any list that has Tyus Jones as the #1 guy.
@@whatshorts yeah they obviously are. I really hope it's not Trae Young. I know he's a bucket but I can't stand his play style. Plus it's a lot to give up I imagine. I'd rather see somebody like Tyus and then go out after some other scorer at forward. I think there's a point guard in the top five of the draft that a lot of people are pointing to as San Antonio's probable pick but I can't remember the guy's name you never know how things are going to turn out but this draft class looks pretty awful.
@@whatshorts I saw an interesting stat on the no dunks podcast where they said that Nikola Jokic only touches the ball for something like 2 seconds per each time he touches it. Luka is something like 6 seconds.
What if TS% is given different metrics since each shot value is difference (FTs don’t happen ALL the time in a game and it plummets during playoffs unless sneaky stuff is going on) And 3pt% should be weighed higher since those shots are alot harder and dimmish if player are just taking alot of easy shots at the basket.
there were definetly some ocassions (in modern times)in which players played all 48 minutes of a game (without Overtime) or something like 47:15 minutes. It mostly happened in the playoffs and I#m pretty sure that Lebron had multiple games like that
@@whatshorts even till the end of his 2nd time in Cleveland he played up to 40 mins per game in the playoffs, which is just insane, especially at his age (this time, i had to google it 😁) I am definitely no lebron fan, but you got to give him massive credit for such stats....it's pretty much "super-human" In 2012/13 Kobe Bryant played nearly 40 mins per game in the regular season and in the last 7 games he played at least 41 and up to 48 minutes at an age of 34 and that resulted in his Achilles tear....
I think you said that is Luka bad this season in 3-pt percentiage.He has like 38% on 10 threes,that isnt bad,I think this is his best shooting season in nba on most atempts
wilt chamberlain averaged more then an entire nba game wroth of minutes in his 100 point season ( not from google im just a wilt nerd )
I believe you ;) it would be interesting to see a random game from that season and compare it to what the game looks like now.
LeBron has played 48 minutes (and i think more once) in a few playoff games
@@whatshorts if you want to see footage of wilt and the nba in his days, check this RUclips channel:
youtube.com/@WiltChamberlainArchive?si=TOf7Mpd0YrPh17y8
He has the most prolific archive of footage from wilt
I also think Durant played 48+ minutes in a loss against Bucks in 2021 playoffs
Averaging 48.5 mins per game over 82 games is crazy. Especially with the pace, Wilt must've been a stamina monster.
your channel is so underrated
thanks man! glad you enjoy the videos!
Didn’t have to look it up cuz wilt played every minute in one of his seasons including overtime so he averaged 48.5 minutes I believe
beat me to it!!
in 1961-62
I believe you ;)
Kuzma was offered a trade to a contender and he said no. That happened just a few days ago before the trade deadline.
did he have a no trade clause?
@@whatshortsI don’t think he did. What I’ve heard is they just told him they had a trade ready and asked if he was cool with it and he said he didn’t want to be trade. It sounded like a verbal only agreement
@@whatshorts No but they still gave him a choice
Keep up the good work man! You'll become great!
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W vid bro, i fw your commentary
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been loving the content from tiktok and yt big bro
Thanks for the encouragement! glad you've been enjoying the content!
I’ve always found that we need to go back and look at the formula and weighting given to TS% because I still think it favors big men (and thusly dunks) too heavily to help us distinguish the truly efficient players.
I wish there was a shooting metric that factored out grenades and end of quarter shots.
very solid video, keep it up
thanks for checking it out!
Assist to turnover ratio can be not that good (depending on the player). Some players are TOO careful with the ball and don't make risky plays that have a lot of value. Sometimes you want a passer with a worse A/TO because their genius passes are worth the mistakes.
Tyrese Haliburton is great at both though, which makes him really special
Do you listen to the thinking basketball podcast? They were talking about how tyrese jumps when he passes and how it effects his non passing turnovers, pretty interesting.
This is the second best basketball channel of all time. Only behind whatslaps
Sweet! We've got a double teamer over here!
Love the channel
I love how you use the worst lighting possible
I’m being serious
haha, thanks man!
Wilt Chamberlain averaged MORE than 48 minutes per game one season. Because of overtime minutes and playing every minute of every game of the season.
it's a bummer that there isn't much footage of wilt.
luka is shooting 38% from 3 this season and 49% from the field
pretty good on high usage
15:20 could it be that they only play their bench guys when theyre winning by a lot?
True, but the minutes would be against the bench guys of the other team. bench on bench. right?
0:42 google merchant here! i remembered wilt averaged 48.5 in his 50 ppg season, so i looked it up and there have been a lot of 48 minute games! even this year! so to not write the list that's hundreds of names long the most recent player to play 48 in a game was jaden ivey against portland on 2/8/24. most played this year was lauri markkanen playing 50 against phoenix in november! hell even the list of 60 minute games is decently long, most recent being jalen rose in 2001 against houston
and fun fact abt wilt he never averaged less than 42 minutes. holy shit.
It would be interesting to see the state of play for those old Wilt seasons. it can't be as intense as it is now.
Why didn't you show the EFF?
Hastily thrown together slides next week is all about efficiency though
how is andre drummond 10th in PER?
it's the rebounds and low minutes
Besides the occasional 48 minute playoff game in modern times, there is one pretty famous case of a player playing 48 minutes.
and that's Wilt Chamberlain who holds the recortd for average minutes per game for a whole season with over 48 minutes!!!!!!!!
FOR A WHOLE SEASON 😮😮😮😮
Wilt was just different and in this season he pretty much played every minute of every game + overtimes.
Didn't need google for that ;)
I believe you. ;)
Lol the wilt chamberlain thing is very common knowledge. Especially if you collected cards growing up
Shaq once said he wanted to do what wilt did and play every minute of the season but gave up after a few games
Also, him playing every minute heavily contributed to why he was able to average 50ppg....playing every minute of a game in an era where pace was at its highest made it possible for him to do
yeah, the game was way different back Wilt was getting those numbers
@@whatshorts not just wilt... everyone's stats were very inflated compared to now due to the break neck pace of the time....the fast break was the most popular/innovative offense at the time so everyone was getting buckets, assists and of course rebound numbers were inflated due to pace and God awful shooting of the time (not cause people couldn't shoot but shot selection/settling for jumpers was very common)
It possible that Tatum’s +/- is lower because teams might change substitutions in a way that makes their defense worse when he’s off the court
I think that's definitely true, but it could be said the same of every star player.
PER is a bad advanced statistic IMO
Interesting. That's actually the one I think is most accurate for measuring impact across the decades. What don't you like about it?
@@whatshorts sorry I shouldn’t have said ‘bad’ but it’s not perfect. Because I don’t think you can use it to compare this season to a previous season because of the use of the average of 15. What if the average player this season is better than the average player last season? Then the whole metric is thrown off - I could be wrong tho
@@soodhookuIt’s not perfect but year after year 8 of the 10 guys who lead in it are 8 of the 10 best players in the NBA, so it means something.
There’s always a couple guys that don’t belong, but it beats any list that has Tyus Jones as the #1 guy.
Did want Tyus Jones for San Antonio Spurs. A good point guard would be amazing with Victor.
I think the spurs are waiting til the offseason to make moves. going to see who they get in the draft.
@@whatshorts yeah they obviously are. I really hope it's not Trae Young. I know he's a bucket but I can't stand his play style. Plus it's a lot to give up I imagine. I'd rather see somebody like Tyus and then go out after some other scorer at forward. I think there's a point guard in the top five of the draft that a lot of people are pointing to as San Antonio's probable pick but I can't remember the guy's name you never know how things are going to turn out but this draft class looks pretty awful.
@@whatshorts I saw an interesting stat on the no dunks podcast where they said that Nikola Jokic only touches the ball for something like 2 seconds per each time he touches it. Luka is something like 6 seconds.
What if TS% is given different metrics since each shot value is difference (FTs don’t happen ALL the time in a game and it plummets during playoffs unless sneaky stuff is going on)
And 3pt% should be weighed higher since those shots are alot harder and dimmish if player are just taking alot of easy shots at the basket.
what you described is TS%. was there a question in there?
Domantas Sabonis was not an All-Star this year. I don't think the West even had an injury replacement but it would have been him.
yeah, I mispoke there. It sucks no one decided to sit for injury. He really deserved the recognition.
@@whatshorts I think he should have been on the team instead of karl-anthony towns.
there were definetly some ocassions (in modern times)in which players played all 48 minutes of a game (without Overtime) or something like 47:15 minutes.
It mostly happened in the playoffs and I#m pretty sure that Lebron had multiple games like that
yeah, I know Lebron played insane minutes in that ECF series against boston. I believe 2012
@@whatshorts even till the end of his 2nd time in Cleveland he played up to 40 mins per game in the playoffs, which is just insane, especially at his age (this time, i had to google it 😁)
I am definitely no lebron fan, but you got to give him massive credit for such stats....it's pretty much "super-human"
In 2012/13 Kobe Bryant played nearly 40 mins per game in the regular season and in the last 7 games he played at least 41 and up to 48 minutes at an age of 34 and that resulted in his Achilles tear....
I think you said that is Luka bad this season in 3-pt percentiage.He has like 38% on 10 threes,that isnt bad,I think this is his best shooting season in nba on most atempts
I think I said for his career. don't remember. thanks for checking out the video.
now I get it
you should explain it back to me because I'm still confused.
Labron did last season against Denver
Did what? or which part of the video?
play 48 minutes @@whatshorts
True shooting % is
pts/(2(fga+0.44*fta))
where's the 3pt percentage?
Do you really not know of the season Wilt played 48.something minutes for a season
guess I forgot
Bol Bol catching strays
I think I'm going to make t-shirts for my other channel that say "come catch a stray!" on them. mcgrady caught one over there this week.
@@whatshorts that's a fire idea lol, what's the name of your other channel so I can subscribe
@whatslaps it's in the featured channels too
19:48 so yeah they all did make all star teams
sabonis 😢
i know I know I misspoke. def shoulda bin doh
19:56 sabonis didn’t make allstar team
Nice catch. Pretty crazy he didn't make an all star team with a per that high.
I googled the best stat when ypu werent looking, but it says "use your fucking eyes". Ha ha ha. Not as good as i thought it would be
A lot of people just look at the "how much dog in em" stats
Tre😊 is trash he has destroyed Atlanta
I love trae
Joel is lazy like Lebron both are washed has beens
who do you like?