It was my pleasure! I'd be happy to shoot another on a different topic. Ariel is a good friend, and we don't get to talk watches nearly enough. Best, Tim
Glasses are back!! Another word of good advice to new collectors: look at WatchBox Watch Reviews to learn about practically every modern watch both niche and mainstream. Also, nice to see this duo again, reminds me of the old days
I’m still learning and I’ve been at this for over 40 years, I seen you both grow and develop through writing and then video. I still learn something new everyday. When I sold regularly on eBay, I supplied a guide with any vintage watch that I sold, giving the history and most importantly how to take care of it. I always dreaded a newbie buying a vintage watch. I too always used the same service guy. I think I have practically done the A-Z of watches, but these day’s I have 8 that I am happy with - today anyway lol, lol.
Love your watch philosophy guys,Tim sells the watches and yet still so sincere and objective about them. Blog to watch also provides objective insights about brands and industry. Thanks guys.
There are enough dealer-based shills in this industry that I didn't want to pile on. If I couldn't speak honestly about my feelings and preferences - or offer sincere advice to collectors - I'd need to be in a different business. Best, Tim
"It's like wearing a cape." Love it! And so true. Hey, Ariel, I've always enjoyed your blog and RUclips content, but just subscribed today. Happy to be here!
I think the most important thing in this great hobby is enjoying the journey of watch collecting.. .My journey started 20 years ago and I remember and love the experience having all of my past and present watches! I'm still enjoying every moment of the journey and excited to have new great and positive experiences! 😉 Great show guys! Cheers
A very nice follow-up to that other great episode you both shared back in the Watchuwant days. All in all, it's been a very stimulating conversation... you should talk with each other much more often!
I remember that one - and the Chinese restaurant afterwards. That was right before Ariel took a long road trip to the Florida Keys with a borrowed Infiniti SUV that he reviewed on his site. I should have joined him for the road trip. Best, Tim
Well done guys. I might suggest that I got into Seiko’s in the early days, and that offers a wide variety of dependable, great designs as well as a solid community of Seikoholics. Easy to buy. Easy to sell. Training wheels for watch collecting
I entered into the hobby by studying watch movements seeking which ones are better from the simplest to most complicated. I learned about free sprung balances, different escapements, full balance bridges vs not, finishing, testing etc. I wanted to know if Rolex was worth the money and found so much more. Learning and understanding makes watches much more enjoyable.
Thank you for the video! How about maintenance? If I want to keep a watch that has a lot of value (engraving, enamel, original mouvement design,...), I look for access to good maintenance on a long term basis: expertise, availability, where do I send my watch to, will this brand survive on the long run, pricing and frequency of maintenance. A watch can represent great value when buying it initially but can represent poor value because of maintenance challenges. Bethune, H Moser, A Lange & Sohn, and Laurent Ferrier watches are great value on the used market but those issues stopped me from buying in the past. I see a lot of Journe watches on Watchbox channel and I always wondered if people had problem servicing them. That might be, in my opinion, one of the reasons why Dufour said: buy a Rolex when asked about what watch should we buy.
Great video, thank you so much for making this. Talking about value and buying a watch for yourself....what is your view on watches with sellita movements. There is a business aspect where I am sure if brands could afford to most watches would have ETA or in-house movements (and if the Swiss allowed). But is there value in a $2000 sellita powered watch. I am specifically thinking about Oris vs Maurice lacroix. Comparing the Aikon and Diver 65. You also have something like a base Tudor with an ETA workhorse....but then is a Breitling Navitimer three hand worth 2gs more.... watches are amazing and brands like Sinn, Damasko, Nomos make the industry so much more interesting
Sellita movements used to be disgraceful from a quality control standpoint pre-2015, but they have improved. Practice and funding have helped, and Sellita now supplies more ETA-based calibers to non-Swatch brands than ETA itself. As with ETA, there are several grades of Sellita, and "Top" or "Chronometer" grade examples deserve respect. Maurice LaCroix is probably like Oris in that it uses Sellita power often but employs its own watchmakers to inspect, install, regulate the calibers. If you like the design of the Maurice and are happy with the price, there's no reason to worry about that purchase. Best, Tim
WatchBox Reviews Thank you for replying👍👊 that’s good to know as the sw200 is becoming more prevalent. I won’t be buying anytime soon as I kind of made a mistake and went outside my budget for my first purchase... but depending what I’m looking for next I might consult WatchBox next time. Looking forward to more great videos. Thanks again
Find a hero like Fred Friedberg who combined intellectual curiosity combined with scholarship to preserve the heritage of the Illinois Watch Company. You don’t have to become Fred but it helps to understand how inspirational true collecting passion is and how generous great collectors like Fred are. Similarly, there are great passionate Seiko collectors who demonstrate that serious collecting is more about appreciation for history and the realization of horological innovations than money.
That is a shirt I, Ariel Adams, at aBlogtoWatch designed. We started selling them and will sell more once our new aBlogtoWatch Store launches. Stay tuned.
If you want high end vintage this is solid advice. And don't start with vintage is also good advice (although I did). But otherwise they are plain WRONG. There are gorgeous vintage watches out there under €300 if you like dress styles. just avoid complications as they are too costly to repair and always use an independent watchmaker. I have vintage Zenith, Omega, Longines, Bulova and others, all authentic and all cost less than 300 euro and cost under 200 to service (yes, you need to service them more often). Take a look Arial's collection, he mainly likes big chunky statement watches, they don't exist in vintage so it makes sense that he hates them. If you like smaller watches vintage is a great way to go. Don't buy from Theo and Harris as he is mad expensive but take a look at his channel as he really gets it. Everyone has a dive watch so who wants one of them. Vintage has distinction and class you can't find in modern watches.
Hey Ariel and Tim, this is an excellent vid. It is so, because the two of you talk about the inherent honesty about this 'habit' of ours - I check out both of your posts regularly and no one could accuse either of you of watch snobbery. But, if I may say, both of you also have earned/carved out positions in this chronoverse; brilliant in their own way; valuable and valued therefore. So much so, especially where you touch upon the 'why' we do it, not the, 'what one buys', I am suggesting that this may (not that you haven't not earned the right to do as well) be a fertile area for some new idiot like myself to write a thing. A thing based on a proposition, and an expansion centered (US spelling for you benefit LOL) around what Ariel states at about 32 minutes intothe vi, which is, simply: * WTF it is this thing all about; why do we do it; what should we do once we know we have the 'chronovirus'? (I think I should, sensitivities aside, patent that?) Doubtless this is not an original thought, but I believe I may have an original 'way' to bring it to life -sadly it may even be a novel/novella LOL! * Obviously, only time, ahem, will tell if I can add some value. But, humbly, I simply ask that going ahead with this venture, would you guys at least read the first chapter (does that already sound daunting?) or, dare I be so bold, proffer sme editing? Best to you both and thanks for all the steers you've enabled me to absorb!
Buying watches remotely on a credit card giving you protection and with the ability to return under distance selling law is certainly the answer. Obviously not actively wearing the piece and just very carefully trying it on and seeing whether the weight, size, thickness, colour scheme and a thousand other things you’ll only find out by spending time with the piece is for you is certainly worthwhile. Take Rolex. Get the call. You’ve literally got 15 minutes at the AD to pull the trigger and that’s a one way deal. It’s bought. A week later you might not like it so much. Tough. I did this recently with a Rolex. It was +30% retail and stickered. Once in hand and a few days in my possession I didn’t see the watch as part of my collection. Just too shiny, thick and head heavy. Just wasn’t me in reality. Back it went. Stay safe kids. The more watches I try the more entrenched I get. Sub Date. All day everyday. Ticks all my boxes. Not so imaginative but dies it for me. Your milage may vary.
Can't believe I didn't see this before now, work must've been bad that week. The No Instagram Rule is a good one. Don't be a 1-2-3 Speedy - Snowflake - Sub 'collector'. Sheep!
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"Its like buying the best champagne and then chug it" brilliant
Oh wow, two of my favorite dudes. Cheers guys
Thanks for collaborating on this.
It was my pleasure! I'd be happy to shoot another on a different topic. Ariel is a good friend, and we don't get to talk watches nearly enough.
Best,
Tim
Glasses are back!! Another word of good advice to new collectors: look at WatchBox Watch Reviews to learn about practically every modern watch both niche and mainstream. Also, nice to see this duo again, reminds me of the old days
It felt good to be back in character. When the glasses are off, I miss them. Thanks for supporting my work on Watchbox Reviews!
Best,
Tim
Tim's wink at the end makes me hope it's a signal they would do more of these collabs together.
Guaranteed ;--)
Best,
Tim
I’m still learning and I’ve been at this for over 40 years, I seen you both grow and develop through writing and then video. I still learn something new everyday. When I sold regularly on eBay, I supplied a guide with any vintage watch that I sold, giving the history and most importantly how to take care of it. I always dreaded a newbie buying a vintage watch. I too always used the same service guy. I think I have practically done the A-Z of watches, but these day’s I have 8 that I am happy with - today anyway lol, lol.
Hi can u share what u have plz?
Love your watch philosophy guys,Tim sells the watches and yet still so sincere and objective about them. Blog to watch also provides objective insights about brands and industry. Thanks guys.
There are enough dealer-based shills in this industry that I didn't want to pile on. If I couldn't speak honestly about my feelings and preferences - or offer sincere advice to collectors - I'd need to be in a different business.
Best,
Tim
Great advice - start small, learn the pleasures of the cheaper end and venture up!
"It's like wearing a cape." Love it! And so true. Hey, Ariel, I've always enjoyed your blog and RUclips content, but just subscribed today. Happy to be here!
I'm flattered. Thank you!
The two best guys of the horlogerie world! Love this
Agreed. Great video.
Great conversation. Thank you!
Excellent video! It is so refreshing, and rare, to hear two people speak rationally and intelligently about any topic these days.
Thanks, Bill. I plan to shoot more of these with Ariel in the future.
Best,
Tim
Agree, great advice. The social part helps keep the passion going. Find a local watch group and go to events, it will be fun.
Great podcast guys! Good experience for watch collector newbies! thx
Love this conversation! Truly great advice and insight guys
Terrific discussion 👍👍👍
Anyone starting on watch collecting need to watch this video FIRST!
Loved this! Well done guys
Excellent . 2 of the best !
I think the most important thing in this great hobby is enjoying the journey of watch collecting.. .My journey started 20 years ago and I remember and love the experience having all of my past and present watches! I'm still enjoying every moment of the journey and excited to have new great and positive experiences! 😉 Great show guys! Cheers
Nice to see the 2 guys that have made a huge impact on this watch game! great advice guys!
Some excellent points raised here. Good job guys!
Loved this video.
19:02 - I'm a marketer and this is marketing gold. Wonderful interview, Ari.
Great content, thanks for this!!
You have excellent taste in watches!
Best,
Tim
A very nice follow-up to that other great episode you both shared back in the Watchuwant days. All in all, it's been a very stimulating conversation... you should talk with each other much more often!
I remember that one - and the Chinese restaurant afterwards. That was right before Ariel took a long road trip to the Florida Keys with a borrowed Infiniti SUV that he reviewed on his site. I should have joined him for the road trip.
Best,
Tim
Really good advice from you too! Hope to see more of this! Thank you!
Great stuff!!
Great video guys! Perhaps next time some questions from viewers?
Excellent banter. 😃
Awesome advice!
Well done guys. I might suggest that I got into Seiko’s in the early days, and that offers a wide variety of dependable, great designs as well as a solid community of Seikoholics. Easy to buy. Easy to sell. Training wheels for watch collecting
Great discussion and advice.
I entered into the hobby by studying watch movements seeking which ones are better from the simplest to most complicated. I learned about free sprung balances, different escapements, full balance bridges vs not, finishing, testing etc. I wanted to know if Rolex was worth the money and found so much more. Learning and understanding makes watches much more enjoyable.
Thank you for the video!
How about maintenance? If I want to keep a watch that has a lot of value (engraving, enamel, original mouvement design,...), I look for access to good maintenance on a long term basis: expertise, availability, where do I send my watch to, will this brand survive on the long run, pricing and frequency of maintenance. A watch can represent great value when buying it initially but can represent poor value because of maintenance challenges. Bethune, H Moser, A Lange & Sohn, and Laurent Ferrier watches are great value on the used market but those issues stopped me from buying in the past. I see a lot of Journe watches on Watchbox channel and I always wondered if people had problem servicing them.
That might be, in my opinion, one of the reasons why Dufour said: buy a Rolex when asked about what watch should we buy.
Journe is being pushed by WatchBox. Their servicing issues are not why you see them on WatchBox.
Always good to see Tim Mosso 😁
Great watch discussion 👍👍👍
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Great video, thank you so much for making this. Talking about value and buying a watch for yourself....what is your view on watches with sellita movements. There is a business aspect where I am sure if brands could afford to most watches would have ETA or in-house movements (and if the Swiss allowed). But is there value in a $2000 sellita powered watch. I am specifically thinking about Oris vs Maurice lacroix. Comparing the Aikon and Diver 65. You also have something like a base Tudor with an ETA workhorse....but then is a Breitling Navitimer three hand worth 2gs more.... watches are amazing and brands like Sinn, Damasko, Nomos make the industry so much more interesting
Sellita movements used to be disgraceful from a quality control standpoint pre-2015, but they have improved. Practice and funding have helped, and Sellita now supplies more ETA-based calibers to non-Swatch brands than ETA itself. As with ETA, there are several grades of Sellita, and "Top" or "Chronometer" grade examples deserve respect. Maurice LaCroix is probably like Oris in that it uses Sellita power often but employs its own watchmakers to inspect, install, regulate the calibers. If you like the design of the Maurice and are happy with the price, there's no reason to worry about that purchase.
Best,
Tim
WatchBox Reviews Thank you for replying👍👊 that’s good to know as the sw200 is becoming more prevalent. I won’t be buying anytime soon as I kind of made a mistake and went outside my budget for my first purchase... but depending what I’m looking for next I might consult WatchBox next time. Looking forward to more great videos. Thanks again
Excellent show, but now I'm not sure if my watch collection is a collection at all.
I sometimes feel the same way about my collection.
Great stuff. unfortunately, i already made some of the mistakes they're talking about. is there a watch with a time machine function?
Top two minds in watch space. Kick a$$ video!!!
Can you get the dude from WatchFinder & Co on next??
This is some true wisdom
Find a hero like Fred Friedberg who combined intellectual curiosity combined with scholarship to preserve the heritage of the Illinois Watch Company. You don’t have to become Fred but it helps to understand how inspirational true collecting passion is and how generous great collectors like Fred are. Similarly, there are great passionate Seiko collectors who demonstrate that serious collecting is more about appreciation for history and the realization of horological innovations than money.
Good content. It was actually too short :)
We can always shoot another. What subject do you prefer?
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews pro's & con's of going to law school
I would do research, too. I would just ask myself, what I like, not what is IN, what other people like.
Wow what a video. Excellent advice from two horological media giants 👏
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!
Great advice all around. on another note, where did you get the submariner t shirt?
That is a shirt I, Ariel Adams, at aBlogtoWatch designed. We started selling them and will sell more once our new aBlogtoWatch Store launches. Stay tuned.
Two Jedi Masters sharing their perspectives on what the Force has meant in their watch collecting journeys.
If you want high end vintage this is solid advice. And don't start with vintage is also good advice (although I did). But otherwise they are plain WRONG. There are gorgeous vintage watches out there under €300 if you like dress styles. just avoid complications as they are too costly to repair and always use an independent watchmaker. I have vintage Zenith, Omega, Longines, Bulova and others, all authentic and all cost less than 300 euro and cost under 200 to service (yes, you need to service them more often). Take a look Arial's collection, he mainly likes big chunky statement watches, they don't exist in vintage so it makes sense that he hates them. If you like smaller watches vintage is a great way to go. Don't buy from Theo and Harris as he is mad expensive but take a look at his channel as he really gets it. Everyone has a dive watch so who wants one of them. Vintage has distinction and class you can't find in modern watches.
Hey Ariel and Tim, this is an excellent vid. It is so, because the two of you talk about the inherent honesty about this 'habit' of ours - I check out both of your posts regularly and no one could accuse either of you of watch snobbery. But, if I may say, both of you also have earned/carved out positions in this chronoverse; brilliant in their own way; valuable and valued therefore.
So much so, especially where you touch upon the 'why' we do it, not the, 'what one buys', I am suggesting that this may (not that you haven't not earned the right to do as well) be a fertile area for some new idiot like myself to write a thing. A thing based on a proposition, and an expansion centered (US spelling for you benefit LOL) around what Ariel states at about 32 minutes intothe vi, which is, simply:
* WTF it is this thing all about; why do we do it; what should we do once we know we have the 'chronovirus'? (I think I should, sensitivities aside, patent that?) Doubtless this is not an original thought, but I believe I may have an original 'way' to bring it to life -sadly it may even be a novel/novella LOL!
* Obviously, only time, ahem, will tell if I can add some value. But, humbly, I simply ask that going ahead with this venture, would you guys at least read the first chapter (does that already sound daunting?) or, dare I be so bold, proffer sme editing?
Best to you both and thanks for all the steers you've enabled me to absorb!
Glad this discussion is provoking so much important ideas. Thanks for being part of it.
awesome, #legitimacy
You two needs to get together more often.
It feels weird to get more than 30 seconds into this video and not hear Tim mention the circumference of his wrist...
Except a omega ploprof600 you can still dive with it
Google "top 10 ablogtowatch" lol
Big +1 on watchprosite, But, shhh, don't tell anyone....
Tim Mosso name in the title made me click on this video 😎💞
These two are the titans of youtube horology. Everyone else is a poser.
I'm just fortunate to be here! Can you think of another luxury industry where two guys can wear t-shirts to work and then appear on camera?
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews "with great power comes great responsibility"
Thank you for not taking it too seriously watchbox!
Wouldn't WatchBox "reinforce the same few models from the same few brands over and over again" with FPJ and Rolex?
Tim, introverted and quiet, I just can't buy that. I suppose with so much knowledge, it finds its own way out :-)
JCB approves
Wist watches can be an amazing journey, it can also be a blinding walk down a dark alley where one is beaten to death with a Squale. 😍
Buying watches remotely on a credit card giving you protection and with the ability to return under distance selling law is certainly the answer. Obviously not actively wearing the piece and just very carefully trying it on and seeing whether the weight, size, thickness, colour scheme and a thousand other things you’ll only find out by spending time with the piece is for you is certainly worthwhile. Take Rolex. Get the call. You’ve literally got 15 minutes at the AD to pull the trigger and that’s a one way deal. It’s bought. A week later you might not like it so much. Tough. I did this recently with a Rolex. It was +30% retail and stickered. Once in hand and a few days in my possession I didn’t see the watch as part of my collection. Just too shiny, thick and head heavy. Just wasn’t me in reality. Back it went. Stay safe kids. The more watches I try the more entrenched I get. Sub Date. All day everyday. Ticks all my boxes. Not so imaginative but dies it for me. Your milage may vary.
Don't buy those TGV shitters, that'll be good for your collection
It has to fit with your outfit
Can't believe I didn't see this before now, work must've been bad that week. The No Instagram Rule is a good one. Don't be a 1-2-3 Speedy - Snowflake - Sub 'collector'. Sheep!
Watch hobby do or don't? Should a polymath cyclist leave his job immersed in the watch hobby to go to law school? Asking for a friend.
This interview is backwards, Tim can barely get a word in! Ask, shut up and listen