Would be great to have sound demo along with each of these , talk through is great but hearing the differences would be helpful , was waiting for it in the video 😂
It would be useful to have sound demos & a list of the pedals that you've used, as it is difficult to establish from your talk through.. Little point in turning turning the pedals on/off without sound demo.
All great points! I’m working on a sound demo, but didn’t have the right setup at the time! I’ll add the pedals used to the video description. Thank you!
What do you play through to practice at home? Computer monitors or headphones? I always have a terrible problem matching tones at home and church. Drives me crazy.
I play through headphones and you are totally right it’s so hard to match the tones! I feel like my home setup is a lot brighter than our church, so I often try and keep that in mind. Unless you have the same rig in both places it’s going to be slightly different. I’m sorry and good luck!
I’m so sorry! I didn’t have the right setup at the time for a proper sound demo so focused on speaking to the theory of what tones these bands are using. I’m working on a sound demo soon!
I've really only been in the Strymon world, but moving into and checking out Fractal and Helix is on my radar! I will def create some content for those when the time comes.
I am SO sorry! I know...I didn't have the right sound set-up at the time, but I'm working on a sound demo to come. I hope you still got some value from the video!
I KNOW!! I didn't have the right set-up to do that right at the time, but I'm working on a sound demo to share soon! This was more about the methodology and the pedals behind it.
I don't understand the obsession. Most churches today are using tracks and the few musicians just strive to imitate exactly what the song does and obesses over matching the tone exactly on each song... the end result is that you end up with a product that is very VERY similar to the original recording. Seems pointless to me. You might as well just run the tracks and sing over them since the voice is the only thing that really makes a difference in this setting. I would say - work less on matching tone song by song and rather work on your craft and improvisation skills so you are able to make these songs your own. stop thinking about playing the riffs exactly and focus on the form of the song, key harmonies, etc. Then you are less focused on small technicalities and you become free to respond in worship. I know it sounds a bit judgmental, but its a truth that must be spoken: Spend less time on tone and pedals and more time on building musicianship
I completed understand this train of thinking! And there is 100% a place for making the songs your own! Something I would add for your consideration is that the reason we don't just play all tracks or even the actual mp3 of the song is that having live music makes it easier for us as humans to make an emotional connection and therefore enter into worship. Church music is about leading people in worship and helping make it easier for them to open up their hearts to the Spirit. If the song is too much your own then it can actually be distracting for those who know the original. So, yes, imitation is a much lower form of musicality from an artists perspective, but it is a great way to help people feel comfortable and present while worshipping! There are plenty of churches that do write their own music and create! That is also an amazing path to go down! There is definitely a place for cover bands in the church :)
Yeah that’s a fair point. There are so many different ways to build a board! I was focusing on a mid-tier approach and size to building a board that isn’t as complicated or expensive as what the guitarists like David Hislop use. If you’re looking to replicate their boards exactly I would check out Tone Factor!
Haha, I know. I really meant this to be more of a theory walk through and break down on some of the pedals I use to achieve that. I am working on a sound demo as well! I hope it still helped in some way.
@@wagnerworship - actually it's worse than that... I was trolling a bit. I used to be a worship guitar player and I kinda still play guitar but don't worship anymore. I've been geeking out on guitar videos of late and the Almighty Algorithm has been putting churchy stuff into my feed and it's, TBO, a bit triggering.
I can understand your heart though, chasing tone and wanting to recreate the vibe of the original artists can be a frustrating journey, but in the end it's really the fun of it all.
Thank you for the honesty and openness! I didn’t realize when posting this how annoying it would be to not have the sound demo 😬 I get where everyone is coming from though! I hope your church experience wasn’t a negative one and if it was I am sorry!
@@wagnerworship - it wasn't the church that played the big part of me leaving faith, it was a much more wholistic failure of unmet expectations, both emotionally and intellectually. I will say though, fwiw, the best tone to strive for and use, is the one that inspires you to keep playing. Sure in the context of having to play someone else's treatment and even more importantly, how your instrument needs to sit in the mix, is key to success, another good rule to go by is to learn the rules (what makes guitar sound work) so that you can break them.
Awesome setup and walkthrough of the different tones.
Thanks!
Would be great to have sound demo along with each of these , talk through is great but hearing the differences would be helpful , was waiting for it in the video 😂
I know!! I didn't have the right sound rig at the time, but I'm working on a sound demo here soon and will share!
Was waiting For that....
Hi, we are still waiting for sound! 😊
Nice board and tone talk, looking forward to hearing how it sounds!!!
Coming soon!
Great video and insights! Thanks!
Thank you SO much! It was fun to get to put this together. I hope it was helpful!
Great content ❤. Thank you for sharing
Thank you so much!!
Amazing that he talked through the entire video and did not demo any of the sounds!
Where did you get your boots man??🔥
Hahah they’re AllSaints! They make great boots and I’ve had them forever.
It would be useful to have sound demos & a list of the pedals that you've used, as it is difficult to establish from your talk through..
Little point in turning turning the pedals on/off without sound demo.
All great points! I’m working on a sound demo, but didn’t have the right setup at the time!
I’ll add the pedals used to the video description. Thank you!
What do you play through to practice at home? Computer monitors or headphones? I always have a terrible problem matching tones at home and church. Drives me crazy.
I play through headphones and you are totally right it’s so hard to match the tones!
I feel like my home setup is a lot brighter than our church, so I often try and keep that in mind.
Unless you have the same rig in both places it’s going to be slightly different.
I’m sorry and good luck!
With your sound demo video, I'd love to know the order you've put these in.
I can make sure to include that! To be clear, are you referring to the order of the pedal chain through the whole board?
@@wagnerworship yes, signal chain
Was hoping you’d play something so we aren’t just looking at products to buy but observing sounds to create
I’m so sorry! I didn’t have the right setup at the time for a proper sound demo so focused on speaking to the theory of what tones these bands are using. I’m working on a sound demo soon!
@@wagnerworship No problem! I look forward to hearing the sounds 🤟
Do you have an opinion on Fractal or Helix modelers? Have you used any of them and prefer this setup?
I've really only been in the Strymon world, but moving into and checking out Fractal and Helix is on my radar! I will def create some content for those when the time comes.
I can’t believe I watch the whole video with no sound examples
I am SO sorry! I know...I didn't have the right sound set-up at the time, but I'm working on a sound demo to come. I hope you still got some value from the video!
Great vid. Thanks for checking out our stuff! - David
Thank you!! That means so much coming from you! Thanks for all you do for worship music and us guitar players! You are an inspiration!
80%? Bro, I'd be happy with 50%.
NEXT VIDEO, do full-screen of the BOARD (skip your talking head) AND have a clear SIGNAL PATH drawing from guitar plug-in to OUT...
I’m working on one soon!!
No demo sounds ??
I know!! I didn't have the right sound rig at the time, but I'm working on a sound demo here soon and will share!
It is very interesting to listen to the reasoning about the tone, without hearing it. (NO)
I was really focused on theory, but I hear you and working on a sound demo!
Sounds great… oh wait, you didn’t even play! Come on man, that’s 95% what we want to hear when we tune in to these videos! 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I KNOW!! I didn't have the right set-up to do that right at the time, but I'm working on a sound demo to share soon! This was more about the methodology and the pedals behind it.
I don't understand the obsession. Most churches today are using tracks and the few musicians just strive to imitate exactly what the song does and obesses over matching the tone exactly on each song... the end result is that you end up with a product that is very VERY similar to the original recording. Seems pointless to me. You might as well just run the tracks and sing over them since the voice is the only thing that really makes a difference in this setting. I would say - work less on matching tone song by song and rather work on your craft and improvisation skills so you are able to make these songs your own. stop thinking about playing the riffs exactly and focus on the form of the song, key harmonies, etc. Then you are less focused on small technicalities and you become free to respond in worship. I know it sounds a bit judgmental, but its a truth that must be spoken: Spend less time on tone and pedals and more time on building musicianship
I completed understand this train of thinking! And there is 100% a place for making the songs your own!
Something I would add for your consideration is that the reason we don't just play all tracks or even the actual mp3 of the song is that having live music makes it easier for us as humans to make an emotional connection and therefore enter into worship.
Church music is about leading people in worship and helping make it easier for them to open up their hearts to the Spirit. If the song is too much your own then it can actually be distracting for those who know the original.
So, yes, imitation is a much lower form of musicality from an artists perspective, but it is a great way to help people feel comfortable and present while worshipping!
There are plenty of churches that do write their own music and create! That is also an amazing path to go down! There is definitely a place for cover bands in the church :)
I was expecting a better; different , board after all the introducing
Yeah that’s a fair point. There are so many different ways to build a board!
I was focusing on a mid-tier approach and size to building a board that isn’t as complicated or expensive as what the guitarists like David Hislop use.
If you’re looking to replicate their boards exactly I would check out Tone Factor!
Everyone always talk and talk
The theory and talking part is what I find interesting, but I totally get where you’re coming from and I’ll include a sound demo next time!
I was expecting the sound demo.. but nah.. too much talking.
I know! Sorry about that! I didn’t have the right sound setup for good guitar audio, but I’m working on a sound demo!
I thought this was a sound demo. All talk.
I know! I didn’t have the right setup to grab good audio at the time, but focused on the philosophy behind the tones. I have a sound demo coming!
The most essential tone… off… 🤡
Haha, I know. I really meant this to be more of a theory walk through and break down on some of the pedals I use to achieve that. I am working on a sound demo as well! I hope it still helped in some way.
@@wagnerworship - actually it's worse than that... I was trolling a bit. I used to be a worship guitar player and I kinda still play guitar but don't worship anymore. I've been geeking out on guitar videos of late and the Almighty Algorithm has been putting churchy stuff into my feed and it's, TBO, a bit triggering.
I can understand your heart though, chasing tone and wanting to recreate the vibe of the original artists can be a frustrating journey, but in the end it's really the fun of it all.
Thank you for the honesty and openness! I didn’t realize when posting this how annoying it would be to not have the sound demo 😬
I get where everyone is coming from though!
I hope your church experience wasn’t a negative one and if it was I am sorry!
@@wagnerworship - it wasn't the church that played the big part of me leaving faith, it was a much more wholistic failure of unmet expectations, both emotionally and intellectually.
I will say though, fwiw, the best tone to strive for and use, is the one that inspires you to keep playing. Sure in the context of having to play someone else's treatment and even more importantly, how your instrument needs to sit in the mix, is key to success, another good rule to go by is to learn the rules (what makes guitar sound work) so that you can break them.