The Evidence for Jesus Is Worse than You Think
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Just how good is the evidence for Jesus? Did Jesus actually exist, and if so, did he do the things written about him? What do history and archaeology show about Jesus and the early church?
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I do love your work. I have no idea why PayPal has cut off over half of my fav tubers.
Totally off topic, but I'm just too lazy to look ... did you get a perm or is it just grown out hair?
@@jjphank Great, go to new york, get me an autograph of Spider-Man. We have thousands, millions of copies of books depicting the wall crawler, so by your logic he MUST BE REAL.
I like the white Jesus look that you are going for.
Just so ya know..........I turn the volume up all the way so my jesusfreeks near me can enjoi all this yummy info.
Although we have lots of evidence for the existence of Abraham Lincoln, I'm starting to suspect that he may not have actually been a vampire hunter...
blasphemy
lol😂
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It plainly states in the Wholly Buybull that Abe was indeed a vampire hunter. See verse 69 in the Book of Tools. And remember...... "The church service ain't over 'til the snakes are are back in the box".
" not have actually been a vampire hunter" What historical evidence do you have that refutes the vampire hunter reality? Were there no Vampires in Lincoln's time?
“They can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong”. Amen
You got that right!
Regarding Who ? Defense or Prosecution ?
One of my favourites. A perfect example of logic in action.
Yeah, that was a great wisdom by Mr @holykoolaid
@@sherry866 ~ The quote was "regarding" religion.
::facepalm:: ::sigh:: ::head-shake:signifying:derision::
You probably should have watched the video to the end to avoid making a fool of yourself.
16:40 Like the quote, "When you understand why you dismiss every other religion, then you will understand why I dismiss yours."
Obviously. All other religions are always wrong, except yours. The profound truth of religion.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours". Stephen Henry Roberts
The reason you say you don't believe in God is cause you are like a spoiled little brat who doesn't wanna have to obey God or have to answer for all the crap you have done on earth. It takes more faith for you to believe in evolution than God creating the world. You know who God is, so there won't be an excuse when you stand before Him. I am glad I'm not you.
No, since I accept mine because of the abundant evidence and reject those for which there is not a shred of same.
It really annoys me how you have polemicists of different religions applying strong critical historical standards to dunk on other religions, but then they don’t apply those same standards to their own texts or beliefs. It shows they aren’t actually interested in intellectual honesty or historical accuracy, they just want to put down other religions without doing the same to their own
Imagine being south of Dallas, Texas 1,000 years from now and unearthing journal entries about David Koresh.
His followers believed he was divine and were willing to kill and die for him...hmmm...
Bold of you to assume humans will last another 10 years more less 1000
Except when writings about Jesus are unearthed he was already extremely popular and wide spread.
Koresh is another nut case that’s labeled as such. Also his teachings were contradictory to the beliefs he claimed.
@@JustHuman87 *he was already extremely popular and wide spread* and was expected to be resurrected and thus, here were believers investing in a man who claimed to be the resurrected messiah. Appeared to be a quite common and popular idea with many small cults springing up across the world with men claiming to be the resurrected Christ.
@@JustHuman87 *Also his teachings were contradictory to the beliefs he claimed* Like Jesus saying BOTH that his commandments overruled the 10 commandments and that the 10 commandments would outlast the planet? Sounds contradictory to the beliefs Jesus claimed...
Proving someone existed is a far cry from proving they were divine.
This does neither
Speak for yourself. I’m divine. And… I *think* I exist. Maybe.
@@ooloncoluphid1942 All hail Coluphid!
Maybe, but if he didn't exist he isn't divine either. But if he did, he may or may not be. Many grains of mineral make a mountain.
@@vedinthorn we know for a fact that Oolon Coluphid exists, so worship him now.
I’m an ordained minister. I thoroughly appreciate your honesty and clarity presenting this material. I thank you for your hard work in presenting clear and concise facts. This is cognitively stimulating and I’ll definitely continue to follow your channel.
Why don't you already know this? I'm not a ordained alleged minister and I've read about this in detail for decades. It's been my whole life. Do you not even care about the truth? What else is wrong with you? Truly pathetic.
@@zapkvr I believe you may have misread what I have typed. Nowhere did I say I did not know this information. I am simply stating my thanks That emotionalism is being challenged by way of actual facts. That’s all. I for one, enjoy these videos because it constantly challenges my imbedded or ingrained theology, and actually forces me to think about what I’m studying/researching/preaching. Take care!
@@zapkvr I have to say this comment is neither helpful or accurate. As Jukabiea replies at no point did he give any points of belief or knowledge regarding HK's video, just that he appreciated the approach and the professionalism.
You need to be really careful what you read into others comments, you've effectively strawmanned Jukabiea's post beyond anything I've seen any apologist do.
@@zapkvr no need for the insults there buddy, the guy never said he didn't know it already only that he appreciated the video, stop being a cockhead online
Your comment does nothing to further the conversation and is very childish.
I got kicked out of church school to wait outside often for asking genuine questions on clear contradictions and many things not making sense. New sub!❤
When I was about 6 years old, which was 61 years ago, I was in Sunday school one morning when the teacher told us kids that scientists didn't know what light was. That pretty much sealed the deal that these people had no idea what they were talking about.
Yes, exactly. Therefore light is just a name for something that is seen or proved. It’s too real, so most sciences today are “accepted descriptions of a name of a thing.”
Yeah they do that as they don't have a solid answer for authentic questions
Quran:
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.❤
John 5.30
I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and e my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not true.
I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
John 17.3
And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
you, the only true God,
you, the only true God,
you, the only true God,
Matthew 26,36
he said to his disciples, “Sit here, while I go over there and pray.”
pray
Pray
Pray???
Matthew 26,39
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let s this cup pass from me; t nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”
he fell on his face and prayed.
he fell on his face and prayed.
he fell on his face and prayed.
He prayed to the only true God.
If you really love Jesus do like him . 😊❤️🫂
Welcome to the club no one joins!
*sigh* If I showed this to some of my relatives, they would most likely respond with " The devil destroyed the evidence".
The Devil doesn’t exist either.
@@oriongear2499call out to him
@@oriongear2499exactly 😂
Mine too their motto is if you can't blame my invisible friend blame my invisible enemy
My mum and aunts thinks the devil planted dinasour bones and fossils
@@Shaz-gq7pvGod bless your mom.
I always heard that we knew more about Jesus than we ever knew about Julius Caesar. I guess I took this for granted until I actually started researching Roman history. There is an absolute wealth of details about Caesar's life and exploits. Hell, we even know what he looked like!
@luca bertani Even if he was nothing but a cynical roman lie concocted by Vespasian, Titus and their accomplices in the flavian court, like adopted son Josephus, right?
@luca bertani nobody likes to read comments that are as long as the one you sent above. I know you meant well, but it's generally considered trolling.
Pontius Pilate wrote a letter to Caesar about Jesus and shares some of his features in the letter. Besides Caesar was a political leader and was printed on coins! Do you know what your ancestors of over 2000 years looked like? Do you have any photos of your great great great great grandfather?
@luca bertani Yes, Jesus gave you all you need to know to be an ignorant sheep.
Jesus life was based on Julius caesar
Luke Skywalker lived a long time ago in a galaxy far away according to sources.
he did many worlds theory and space is a illusion
Luke Skywalker, Luke comes from Lucas. The name means light, or light source or bringer of light, bright, white, light-giving. Skywalker is a descriptive term for the Sun. The Sun is also a symbol for Jesus Christ. The whole Star Wars story is about good vs, evil and the Force that that assists in such endeavors.
We have video evidence!
The name Jesus (or Yeshua) was very common in ancient Israel. I think it's perfectly possible that the biographies of several people called Jesus (like the prophet Jesus Ben Ananias who was tortured by the Romans) got mixed up. This may have happened accidentally. It was virtually impossible to check information when the gospels were written (it was an age without the internet or mass media after all), so the writers of the gospels may simply have been confused.
God said in Quran about Jesus (peace be upon him):
" And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]. That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]." (Quran 3:42-43)
" [And mention] when the angels said, “O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God ].
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous. She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God ; He creates what He wills.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God.(Quran 03:45-49)
"[Mention] when God said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to God alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."(Quran 3:55 )
Shrooms confuse a lot of people.
@@aymen577the Quran is a plagiarized version of Christianity which itself contains a lot of plagiarized stories from past religions. Quoting any of these books is like citing from a Disney book to prove its contents true. It can’t be done. They are all man made and man edited to control people usually women more than anyone.
Like the stories of Robin Hood deriving from the acts of several different men across England with similar acts of rebellion against the king and/or his royal subordinates.
That would be pretty cool, basically passing down from one Jesus to another.
There are 4,000 religions.
45,000 denominations of Christianity globally.
Which one is right?
Catholicism direct founder "Jesus christ"
Why are you making the assumption that they can't all be right? Pretty dumb of you tbh.
they all agree on the fundamentals on christianity
The other replies seem to be a bit dense in not grasping the problem. Right from the beginning, there were already multiple theological groups of Christians who disagreed on basic issues like whether Jesus was a human, godman, or spiritual being.
The only way to go is having a fatherly relationship with Jesus Christ, thats the most accurate way according to the bible, praying to him like talking to your father, thats it
"They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong." Excellent point! 😍
basically what brought me out of religion right here
He got that from Dilahunty.
@@JohnSmith-xd4zd sounds like a quote from a movie hmm
@@kermitthorson9719 That's probably where we all came from! I wouldn't care about any of this stuff if it hadn't been shoved down my throat all my life!🤢 I was a preacher's kid so I got a SUPER heavy dose and a view from the inside. I knew all the gossip and all the politics. I even knew where the money went - trust me, not where they tried to make us believe it went. And, we were one of the major, respected religions. So, when any politician refers to their Christian Base I feel nauseous and disgusted. I know who a lot of those people are when they feel nobody's looking. Josh Duggar, anybody? They prayed over him and look how that turned out.🤔
@@JohnSmith-xd4zd I can't remember who it's accredited to. Russel or maybe Hume (or some unknown dude, bored in a toilet stall with a Sharpie on hand). The sentiment has been passed around since antiquity and the origin makes no difference; it true and that's the important part.
As a 65 y.o. man, as a boy in the 60's, we all believed the end was near. During WWII, people in the U.S. sold their homes and went up into the mountains to wait for the rapture. During this 6+ decade journey, I've seen/known so many who believed "the end is near". Many of them were apparently right, as they are no longer with us. I see yesterdays babies grow out of diapers, have kids, and subscribe to the "end is near" school of belief. It is so interesting to see other people's kids grow to adulthood, and decide that they are ordained to teach "The Truth", and they collect a cult following, and, they all seem to think that all that is old... is new.
I believe, in possibilities. I believe after someone spews out what they 'believe' is 'the truth', that they could be right. But, they could be wrong. You see, I believe in possibilities. I believe it's possible, that no one knows the truth, they only believe it is. So, it is possible, that everyone is wrong, even me. What a paradox. Just don't kill anyone that doesn't share your 'beliefs', and I believe it'll work out in the end.
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We have accounts of Hercules, Apollo and Prometheus, but we don't assume they're historical.
We have historical accounts?
@@ZayneEnterprizes We have mithological accounts. Some people back then, I'm sure, thought they were real, but we know better, I hope.
@@DoctorZisIN exactly. All of those were written as mythology. The Bible is clearly written as a historical account whether or not you believe in it is irrelevant to that fact
@@ZayneEnterprizes Nope, I disagree. The gospels read like novels. Who was narrating the story of the temptations of Jesus? Satan was the only only one there. Who was narrating Jesus' prayer in Ghetsemane? All the apostles were sleep. Who narrated the interrogations of Jesus before his crucifixion? His adventures in the underworld before resurrecting? Not an ounce of history there, just tales of the imagination.
@@DoctorZisIN are you saying you think the gospels were written with the intention of being a fictional novel and not a depiction of real events whether or not you believe in them?
And the "next oldest known" fragment of the new testament is so small and so fragmented that it could easily have been from some Greek landowner's shopping list.
"They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong!" Well said!
I hope your joking
@@theovanstaden5766 cope
@@theovanstaden5766 nah your the coper
@@theovanstaden5766 What did Jesus do when innocents were getting tortured and blown up during the apartheid? The peaceful old man who built his humble abode into his beautiful home over 20 years who got told to move because the white township was expanding, he then hung himself because all he worked for got taken away where was Jesus? And according to the rules you follow this poor man would be consigned to hell for suicide which is apparently a sin. How about the man who got tortured by having his testicles squeezed like a stress ball and then punched so hard it leaked a liquid so gross and pungent just because he was against clear moral injustice of a system that dictates your life based on a fact you have no control over (skin colour of all things) where was Jesus then? If he is real and all powerful he is a scumbag for letting these terrible things happen.
@@theovanstaden5766 cope
In a few thousand years, when they finally find a fragment of paper from the 21st century, it will be the long awaited proof that Harry Potter really existed.
Jesus existed
@@GeovanniCastro666 maybe…but he was just a dude!
@@GeovanniCastro666 He might have, there were plenty of christ figures running around at the time and it's quite possible, perchance even probable, that he was one of them. Doesn't really matter though, does it?
But what about compared to other ancient historical figures? I think that’s a better comparison than Washington. What about someone like Alexander the Great?
@@GeovanniCastro666 Si pero no era el hijo de Dios
Thank god I‘m an atheist.
Thank who?
@@TheOffenderfromToontastic There's 3000+ of those. Take your pick.
@@JZsBFFthe real one the one who lives on the cheese ball in the sky the moon 🗿
@@JZsBFFthe government is trying to hide it but we still have very solid evidence to prove he exists such as why haven't we gone to the moon in 55 years? why are the billionaires trying to go to Mars while the moon is much more closer and resourceful than Mars? And the most obvious one is every other religion says god is watching but how exactly? If you think closely we are always facing one side of the moon that clearly means he is watching us from the moon 😮 and it also explains why the moon is orbiting us it's so the king of cheese ball land can keep an eye on all of us
(Don't take it seriously I just felt bored)
@@Competitive_hater_no1 Does he/she have a name or is it also the one who shall not be named?
Your channel is so sorely needed in our society today. Too many have been lead in the wrong direction by this fictional tale in derogatory of the worship of The Allfather. Thank you for retrieving those who are lost in the wilderness.
Ah, yes, Twitter. The most reliable of all news sources 🤦🏻♀️😂
Have some respect for the hours and hours of RUclips and Facebook research, not to mention the many cases of cheap beer, it takes to become a Twit.
And the one with the highest scholarly standards. 🤣
Tik-Tok is my go-to news source.😎
Well it's honestly more reliable than the Bible.
Scores higher than the bible
The missing page said "To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental."
I was just thinking that myself. Red Dwarf always has all the answers. Praise Cloister The Stupid. LOL
Imagine if the wealthy owning-class Publishers and their CEO Editors went back to those times when they DID NOT force their writers and scribes to include those disclaimers!
Rimmer is God!
Smeg head
Love it,
We have Washington’s teeth, clothes, house, and his skeleton (in tomb). We don’t have anything from Jesus.
We have the crown of thorns, the cross and robes he wore. Also we don’t have his body because he resurrected.
@@ultimatespidybawlz2198 show me
As a Christian, i like this video. Bible is not a history or science book, but more like a bunch of stories and legends (old testament) and moral philosophy (new testament). I honetsly do not care, when Jesus was born, or some similar things, he existed and his teaching was in the basic principals probably same as we have it now.
Jesus taught his followers to hate their families
@@AliZalghout-ys3xk What?
@@brambourgojgurt7973 yeah, you heard me
@@AliZalghout-ys3xk you're a liar or just a hater. Jesus said "Love your enemies."
@@r.fortner4661 it's in Matthew
I had similar thoughts. All religions claim that all other religions worship false prophets or false idols. If that is true, then religion cancels itself out. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. And, according to science, logic, and historical fact, they are.
'Profits' might be a typo for prophets but it applies to all religions just as well.
@@joycejames8461 True and typo corrected.
@@thomaslevy2119 You were still right the first time!
@@joycejames8461 I agree lol they just want your best, meaning your money 🤣
I wish that matter and antimatter canceled out when the universe formed
Your piece about the evidence we have for Washington is really rhetorically effective and well put together. So much effort presented effortlessly .
So do you believe that Hercules was a real person? Or Zeus? Julius Ceasar and Washington we have a lot of mundane facts about, but we don't really have any non-mythic claims about the life and times of Jesus, Hercules, Zeus, etc. So why accept that any of them were ever real people?
@@seanoconnell1120 jesus existed ok? It's an undisputed fact. Whether or not he was divine is the debate.
@@seanoconnell1120 Hercules and Zeus are mythological, they didn't exist. Straight up. No evidence or anything. With Jesus and Julius Caesar, we have many proofs they were real people. Unbaised and biased alike.
@@isaacelliott9753 No, sorry......it is not a fact that he existed. There is NO HISTORICAL mention of jesus anywhere, save for the book. Go on and list to anybody who will listen to you, all the evidence of his having passed through earth. Before you even start looking, know that many of us have already looked far and wide. There were many religious freaks at the time, who knows who was who? Does it even matter? Start with the so-called census mentioned in the book, who was ceasar at the time? Who was the Governor of Judea? Was there even a historical census decreed by the ceasar in Rome at the time? No, there was not......now go on from wherever you want.
Augustus was emperor, Quirinius was legate governor. These are undisputed. And we know of several rebellion leaders in detail: Bar Kohba, Judas Maccabeus. Where are you getting these ideas dude?
Let me just say this: on my first ever 'induction lecture' , my first ever lecture at The University of Glasgow, our first ever official lecturer gave, 90%, and with less impressive visuals (it was the 90s) pretty much this exact same monologue: and he finished with:
'I know some of you might have a problem with this, and you may disagree. But if you can do better? Please do. That's why we're here. "
THAT is education.
I am so impressed by your presentations - and by your persistent passion to expose the truth. (like your actual visage versus your "animated" one)
"It can't be made up, look how old it is!" Apologist logic lol.
No way could they have lied for so long with a text, except all those other religions.
No way would they die for their beliefs and politics, except for all those other religions and political entities that do.
" if something is believed for long enough by enough people it's true" so says Mr. Reserectionalology Gary Habernaus.
Got another one for you: how come copies of the Bible have made it and still exist after centuries of people trying to banish it out of existence?
I think we all know the answer to this one.
Edit: Since there is misunderstanding about this comment, I want to clarify: I am not making this argument. This is one of the weak apologies I was given by a Jehovah's Witness when I made the mistake of answering the door to them. I naïvely believed explaining I was an ex-christian atheist would nip the proselytizing in the bud then and there. (Incidentally, this conversation was how I discovered TellTale. I had no idea what JWs believed and I wanted to be prepared if/when they returned, so I started searching online after they left.)
I thought the phrases "got another one for you" and "we all know the answer to this one." indicated I was adding to the OP with more daft apologist logic. I am sorry I didn't make that clear enough.
@@spanglelime
Who was "trying to banish it out of existence"? There wasn't even a bible until the 4th century, and no agreement on canon until the 5th, and by that time christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire. So, who was doing this banishing, and how were they going to make it disappear?
@@commonsense5494 I don't even know! I was informed about this by a JW who'd doorstepped me. I made the mistake of opening the door (we were still fairly new in the neighborhood bc we'd just moved, so people were constantly coming by), and then I made the second mistake of telling them I'm an ex-christian atheist. They were lovely women, and I really liked them. They were the reason I started searching for what JWs really believe and went down a rabbit hole on RUclips. I am sure there are ex-JWs who might be able to elaborate on that argument. Maybe she meant the muslims, or, um... the nazis? The Soviets? I never even thought about this properly haha!
The pharaohs were considered gods by millions of ancient Egyptians, too, yet no one proclaims that mummies are evidence of their godhood.
@Dumisani Nkosi No, but Europeans loved eating them.
@Dumisani Nkosi No, but neither did Jesus. Besides, resurrection would have played no role in the pharaohs' journey to divinity.
@@Velvetx4cove Wow, that's fucking weird, to say the least. Though, it's important to stress that not all Europeans would have taken part in such unreasonable and superstitious practices.
@Dumisani Nkosi More accurately the Pharoahs did just the same as what Jesus was claimed to do, simply be born divine.
@Dumisani Nkosi , what does atheist attempt Jesus mean?
Hmm, I have been reading Richard Carrier’s book on the historical Jesus, and I have to admit that even his existence is in doubt. This shocked me a little. What shocked me even more was Bart Erhman dismissing him out of hand. Erhman’s reasons for this dismissal contained uncritical assertions that Erhman, himself, has levelled at Christian scholars. Habermas is worse than even Erhman. Carrier, however, seems to be scrupulously detached about assessing the evidence. I am now of the opinion that Jesus’ very existence is questionable. Who would have thought?
What if jesus actually just had a twin brother and decided that hed troll people for the desth of his sibling.
I love how dating is acceptable when it supports your belief, but when dates are older than "creation", dating methods are suspect.
Anything that contradicts the mainstream will be subject until it becomes mainstream itself. Just the way it works.
but at least shes legal
Being older than creation has not helped my dating.
Carbon dating is bogus as shit yet science still uses it.
@@peterbrowne7101 hi yeah but think of the billions ever on earth who didnt even make it to 10 years old rest way for us is cream and what about good memories bye
I don't understand how finding an older version of part of the bible proves anything. If I found an earlier manuscript of a work of fiction, it wouldn't make any less fiction, would it?
The atheist case is that there was a man “Jesus” however the stores about him were increasingly embellished over time. An earlier manuscript would be a point to discredit that over time “the story” was embellished. In a world where history is not absolute we really on evidence to give us a best case. That’s why an earlier manuscript “strengthens” the Christian position and weakens the atheist one.
@@paulpierce2051 Yes, I suppose that does make some sense, thanks. It's all rather 'clutching at straws' though, given the complete lack of any actual evidence.
It would make a difference to people who know what they are talking about.
@@bradleymosman8325 Please explain how exactly. I have had a good answer from Paul Pierce incidentally.
@@paulpierce2051 Well, to be fair, I think an earlier manuscript attesting to an extraordinary fact about Jesus would strengthen the Christian position; say a witness account of a miracle. An earlier manuscript "in the Tacitus (or uninterpolated Josephus) style", or even something that could be identified with Q (the supposed 'common source' to Matthew and Luke), but only attesting to the 'existence' and 'teaching' parts of Jesus's story would actually strengthen a contrary position (not necessarily atheist - plenty of religious people who claim Jesus was only a man).
I would really love to see a conversation or debate between you and cliffe knettchle (i think his name is), this is the first video of urs ive seen so maybe you've already spoken on him before but you two i feel would be a great debate lol
oh yeah, that dude pisses me off LMAO
@@floristfindspeace I don't know what it is about him that annoys me. Cliffe is so easy to offend and rile up when someone criticizes the bible, that it strikes me that he is not secure in his faith. A man who is secure in his beliefs wouldn't be so damn angry when people challenge it. He also has that stalk-walk and gets in people's face, not to mention his equation of Atheism is Nihilism.
@@kaneanderson8626 i really want him to sit down and talk to brandon from mindshift. that absolutely wild thing is that i know people close to me to are so behind what he says; maybe not 100% or anything, but it’s wild that we view this person so opposite.
@@kaneanderson8626 i dont think it has to do with him being secure in his believes. Maybe it has more to do with hoping other people belief too, and getting upset when others dont want to, and he thinks those people wont get saved.
"This was, after all, the holy grail of biblical scholarship." Not to be pedantic but... Wouldn't the holy grail be the holy grail of biblical scholarship?
Glad your looking, scientist said the earth was flat and people believed them, scientist said, and still do, it took millions of years for the Grand Canyon / Mt St Helen in one day changed everything, Come over from the dark side "The Genesis History"
@@chriscraven33 I was literally making a pun
Classic
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
Thomas Jefferson
founding father, 3rd US President
The biggest fertilizer of slavery is ignorance In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references.
Till 325 AD, not a single historian or writer wrote about Jesus Christ or any of his disciples .
BEFORE THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325 AD, NOBODY ON THIS PLANET EVER HEARD OF THE NAMES JESUS CHRIST OR CHRISTIANITY.
JESUS/ BIBLE / CHRISTIANTY WAS COOKED UP IN 325 AD, BY JEWESS HELENA , WHO SAT ON THE POPE'S CHAIR..
"Vatican is Evil terrorist satanic organisation."
If Satan does exist, then he thrives inside the Roman Catholic Church.
The dead sea scrolls covering the period from Birth of Jesus to 68 AD , does NOT say one word about Jesus or his 12 Apostles.
Hellenistic philosopher Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (20 BCE-50 AD/CE)-alive at the purported time of Jesus, and one of the wealthiest and best connected citizens of the Empire- makes no mention of Christ, Christians or Christianity in his voluminous writings. Nor do any of the hundreds of other historians and writers who flourished during the first THREE centuries of the common era.
The DEAD SEA SCROLLS were all written by Pagan Essenes . None of them have been edited by later Christians, as is the case with some other Jewish literature.
All the scrolls (except a treasure map known as the Copper Scroll) can be dated prior to A.D. 68 or 69, when the Qumran settlement was believed to have been destroyed by the Romans in the Jewish revolt.
The oldest of the scrolls probably goes back to the middle of the third century B.C. The people of Qumran belonged to a Pagan religious group known as the Essenes.
Pliny the Elder, who died during the volcanic destruction of Pompeii in the year 79 A.D., described a community of pagan Essenes living on the western shore of the Dead Sea, close to where Khirbet Qumran is situated.
John the Baptist was an ascetic Essene . He was a vegan and was uncircumcised . Various literary sources like Josephus and Philo tell clearly that Essenes were ascetics.
We also know, from literary testimony, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the archaeological remains of Qumran, that the Essenes practiced many water baptisms for ritual purification-similar to a dip in the Ganges or the river Pampa or at Thiirunelli. At Qumran, however, all members of the community were baptized with water for ritual purification.
Josephus writes, "And as for their piety towards God, it is very extraordinary; for before sunrising they speak not a word about profane matters, but put up certain prayers which they have received from their forefathers, as if they made a supplication for its rising" (Wars, 2.8.5). This testimony accords well with what we know from the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Prayer and humility was one thing that the Essenes . When they cooked up stories about Jesus they wrote that Jesus Christ ate the Last Supper in the Essene part of town.
Jesus is not historical character, The Dead Sea Scrolls have produced increasing evidence to cement the fact that Jesus Christ never existed and the whole story was cooked up at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
The FAKE gospels were written after 325 AD after Jesus was cooked up at the first Council of Nicea..
Twelve apostles of Jesus never existed.
Jesus Christ names 12 apostles to spread his gospel, and the early Christian church owes its rapid rise to their missionary zeal. Yet, for most of the Twelve, there's scant evidence of their existence outside of the New Testament.
The concept of using statistics to prove that 'God authored the Bible' is bullshit.
Why was the library of Alexandria burnt ?
The gospel of Thomas was not written by Jesus' disciple Thomas.
Englishman Godfrey Higgins studied Greek, Latin and law at Cambridge . His two-volume, 867-page book Anacalypsis: An Enquiry into the Origins of Languages, Nations, and Religions, was published posthumously in 1836.
In his treatise, Higgins writes " the mythos of the Jews and the mythos of the Greeks are all at bottom the same lifted from the ancient mythos of Hindus ; and ... are contrivances under the appearance of histories to perpetuate doctrines," and that Christian editors “either from roguery or folly, corrupted them all.”
1900, Scottish MP John Mackinnon Robertson wrote that Jesus never existed but was an FAKE invention by a first-century messianic cult. He wrote about the First Council of Nicea of 325 AD where powerful forces invented a new god to fit the needs of the society of the time .Robertson specifically mentions the Talmudic story of the Yeshu .
Thomas says: "Simon Peter said to them, ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’" (Thomas 114).
AIYOOOOO -even Christians don’t like this
When the master of James baby Jesus Christ never existed -- how can his disciple St James exist ?
Even since the dead sea scrolls have been discovered CHRISTIANS and JEWS are jumping up and down like demented orangutans claiming that Essenes belong to them.
Dead Sea text or Qumran Scrolls have absolutely nothing ZILCH, to do with the Bible of the Torah - never mind the diabolical lies of the Christians and the Jews.
For arguments sake -even if messiah Jesus Christ existed , the gospels were written a even a century after Jesus' estimated year of death, by individuals who never met Jesus, and then were edited or forged over the centuries by unknown scribes with their own agendas.
Dead sea scrolls have been written by Essenes of the sect of Apollonius
Just thought of something. Many fundamentalists reject radiometric dating but you know if they found some scripture and it dated to 20-40 ad or whatever they would be like SEE!!!!
Like the shroud.
@@briancomley8210 Which dates to the 16th century.
@@jonathonrobinson6081 Early 14th century, matching the first appearance of the unique cloth weave which did not exist in the middle east, at all, anywhere. It matches the carbon dating as well. That face on that shroud is almost certainly Jaques de Molay, the Templar Grand Master executed in France, in 1314. That unique cloth weave is from 1300's France too.
@@buddypage58 Mate - was going so well till the rubbish about the Templars. Since Molay died in 1314 (and he been held under arrest in Paris from 1307) and the earliest we know the fake shroud existed was 1353 in the town of Lirey and as it was investigated at the time by the local Bishop who called it a fake based on talking to the artist who did it, the idea he painted someone dead for about 30 years isn't credible.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q You mean those Bishops from the Church that is still lying about it? Later on the Church decided they could use it. They acquired it from someone closely associated with the Knights Templar. Whether that was Geoffroi de Charny or another person had it prior is a good question. Nothing the Church says about any of this history can be trusted. Nothing...
It is mythology and lore and stupid magic talk that someone made up a long time ago to frighten ,or delight, or manipulate people.
Our hearts were all broken when we found out that Santa was all just make believe too.
It's time to grow up.
Well done Bro. Keep pouring it on. Lots of Kool-Aid flowing out there.
My research to prove Jesus’ existence is what dealt the Death Blow to my Christian Faith just a few years ago
Lmao I feel you
How are you holding up?
Same.
Congratulations on your emancipation!
Exact same thing happened to me: Quest to prove that the gospel authors were eyewitnesses ended up with me becoming an agnostic atheist.
Thank you so much for this. I'm a former Bible College graduate who was originally planning to be a pastor. Ironically, my final theology exam started me on the road to better critical thinking which eventually led me to notice I wasn't on the Christian train aymore. I greatly appreciate the systematic and calm method in which you pesented the facts, as opposed to so many well-meaning but ultimately detrimental presentations that try to grab a hold of your emotions as if something as important as core beliefs were only something to be manipulated as a form of marketing. Its taken me many years to gather up the evidence that you present so well here.
All bible prophecy has been proven 100% true. May God's mercy reveal to you the truth. Don't reject God's word. God is coming soon. Remember, after death we have an eternity to live. Choose wisely.
God is real, jesus is real, the spirits real, judgement day is real...mercy is preffered over judgement.
This guys anti christ.
Well done Daniel. It's a wrench, cutting off the bindings applied over years of indoctrination. For many people, they LIKE being deceived. That's how effective indoctrination is. It shapes not only what you believe, but what you WANT to believe. Hard to kick against that.
@@kevinmcalpine4521 Looking back on it years later, I shudder at some of the behaviours that I was eventually engulfed by being in an all-Christian environment all the time. Good thing I've always been a curious reader and never quite satisfied with pat answers. The reactions of those around me when I left that environment and started seriously questioning what I'd been taught and demanding firsthand proof instead of secondhand hearsay opened my eyes even more.
Me, too. I was on that same path. Being the son of an evangelical pastor made it difficult for me to leave, but I did. And then it took me 30 years to sort everything out - but I did.
Why does everyone continuously make the erroneous assumption Iesous Christos was an historical person instead of a literary character??? (A real possibly everyone ignores) Well that is what all the christian religious texts are aimed at. It wants us to believe this story of the Messiah is an historical occurrence but unfortunately for believers the science of literary analysis exposes the fact that Iesous Christos was a literary character designed to co-opt the Messiah predicted in the Tanakh. This is proven by the fact that the synoptic Gospels and Acts rely on Josephus. If War of the Jews had not been written the Gospels would not look anything like they now do. Besides clear parallels noticed for centuries there exists a newly discovered sequence that links them and reveals evidence of the co-opting. It has always existsted and is evident for all to see. All one has to do is read the two works side by side. This insight reveal that the genre the gospels are is typology not biography. Typologies are fictions and can never be a non-fiction. The Gospels are without doubt Roman Propaganda not Jewish histories.
They could find a perfectly preserved parchment from 80 AD and it would still wouldn't prove their god is real. If ten thousand years from now, there's "scripture" written that a man with spider like powers helped mankind back in the 20th century, but the earliest scripture they could find was from 2230 AD, in bad condition, but then suddenly found a mint condition copy of the first edition Marvel's Spiderman from the mid 20'th century - it would still not prove a man with spider powers was real.
"They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong." I love it! Sums up blind faith in one sentence.
Well said.
@@ew-uy6cs I'm sure you can find christian websites that will tell you whatever you want to believe. I usually don't follow links sent to me in the comment section. Personally, I think the bible is a collection of absurd fairytales (many of which have been debunked past the point of exhaustion). But either way, you're sincerely wasting your time preaching to me.
@@jacksonheathen2092 believe what u want, those who dont wish to see will remain blind. But dont say u didnt have a chance
@Christian Aponte Not really. That's just what you want to believe.
@@isaibustillos7293 OK. Go ahead and worship some ridiculous religion that believes in talking snakes, Noah's magic ark, a guy living inside a big fish for 3 days, or that the earth is a 6,000 year old flat disk. But please don't try to sound intelligent. It doesn't suit you. 😂
“They can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong.” Love this.
You can call it a Reverse Pascal's Wager.
Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is The TRUE Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH Randomly capitalising words makes you look a little 'out there'.
Trying to claim that any of what you typed means anything just confirms that you are.
@@Praise___YaH
Absolutely nothing you wrote is evidence for anything...let alone proof. You’re seriously using the Bible to try to prove the Bible? Look up Circular Reasoning and why it’s a logical fallacy.
@@roems6396 So then by that logic, when people say "Love is love," what would you're response be?
The book of Mark was the first gospel written and it’s interesting for what not in “Mark’s” story. No immaculate conception, no nativity, no wise men. Mark starts with an adult Jesus being baptized by John. Then after John’s execution Jesus becomes the leader of John’s followers. That’s pretty believable. I can buy what Mark is selling up to that point. Jesus is a regular guy who was conceived the regular way who became a follower of John. But I can see why later gospel writers felt they had to Jesus’s Origin story more godlike.
This video dramatically changed my perspective. I have watched *a lot* of videos about arguments for and against the resurrection. This was a great video because it backed away from the debate about particular details and looked at the broad picture.
When there is an explosion of flurry over a fragment of a document written almost a hundred years after the event as the *best* evidence... that shows how low the bar has been set.
This video literally was the one that pushed me over the edge from "maybe the resurrection happened" to "maybe it didn't" (and that was a huge step for me because it was the first time I truly internalized the possibility of Christianity being false)
As an ex-mormon, you warmed my heart by squeezing Joseph Smith Jr. between Jim Jones and L. Ron Hubbard. Nice.
True fact in 1976 I met Jim Jones face-to-face
I said practically the same thing to my wife
@@davidshareefChTPhD what was he like? Is it true what they say?
Because that's where he belongs
I live in Canada and sometimes attend an LDS church
I wasn’t raised Christian/Mormon but I do believe it’s a good community and less problems exist among them than in the secular ones (ie, teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, violence)
In this age of "alternative facts" and gaslighting, thank you for encouraging clarity and critical thinking. Hopefully you'll continue to cut through the fog that is today's social climate.
So is Hercules just a real normal human that existed? What about Romulus? Was Amaterasu just a normal princess, but definitely existed?
Eloquent and true!
@@letsomethingshine Hercules didn't exist, he was part of a myth. With Romulus, we have no clue if he did or didn't exist. Same with his brother, Remus. Who knows, Hercules might've existed, but not the way we see him as. But tbh, most people don't believe he existed.
Qq
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what He prophesied more than 2000 years ago.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
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when it comes to religion, it's a tricky subject. There are hard-core devotees of all religious faiths, my experience is that no amount of logical argument will sway them. This video may not change the beliefs of many folks, but those who are simply seeking truth can find value in it.
We don't know that anyone called "Jesus" ever existed. Only that someone in the region had followers and inspired a new religious cult that may or may not have sprung up around that time (or could have come about later inspired by others).
Paul even admitted to deceiving people in 1 Corinthians with his "all things to all people" narrative.
News Update: The oldest known copy of the National Enquirer was found in a jar in the desert with proof of Michael Jackson's alien love child .
Fallacy of False Equivalency .
But thanks for playing ! 😊
It is vehemently denied however, even by Michael Jackson himself claiming that it is not his child.
One day we will be thankful that child was the best president ever. So let’s drink to them now.
Edit: I assumed the child and alien president would be male, so I changed it to a non assuming pronoun
@@deadknight1402 i
The jar was engraved with an image of bat boy!
Ex seminarian here. Studied from 1964-1969. We were discussing this even back then. It's where all the "faith" was supposed to take over. I guess I just didn't have enough to sustain me.
True faith would have sustained you in ANY religion. It is TRUE SKEPTICISM that is the only thing that is capable of sustaining you in the the truth by removing you from the falsehoods (but lies can be useful tools, religious hypocrites know this all too well).
The cost of Faith is switching-off your brain's inherent capacity to discern when you are just being conned.
In one sense, Faith is very cheap - you just decide to simply stop thinking ... but that decision can cost you very dearly in the long run.
People have brains so that we don't need to rely on Faith.
Faith is a belief in the absence of evidence. Delusion is maintaining a belief despite evidence.
P. Lane here ! Everyone needs to do what sincere seeker David Boice did- See his Y👍ou -tubes: '52 Churches in 52 weeks.' He found the one, fully correct Church that Jesus is at the Head of !
Personally I put store in 3 primary things that make me believe that the entire Jesus fable is nothing more than myth.
1. Nothing was recorded about him in his time while much was recorded about other things going on.
2. The fact that his entire story so closely mirrors other son-of-god and prophet figures from older religions and mythology as to be virtually identical, almost word for word. These would have been well know at the time.
3. None of the fable makes even the slightest logical sense.
I've long said that Jebus was not a very nice person if you really look at the things they said he were saying in the gospels nevermind The Book of Revelation. Him talkin about dividing families and you basically had to drop everything you were doing in life to follow him, one of the hallmarks of a cult leader because it's all about them, him cursing Samaritan Villages for not accepting his apocalyptic BS. And how he said those who do not believe in me bring them to me so he could homicide them himself. So no if he even existed he was not a very nice person and he was no more than a first-century Galilean cult leader. They came a dime-a-dozen. After all you had Apollonius of Tyana, Simon Magus, Honi the Circle Maker etc etc.
Praise Jebus
Even the whole "turn the other cheek" wasn't peaceful. In Roman times, that was a crime IF you're slapped twice. So no, it wasn't for peace, it was for the person to be "charged" for a crime, not much different when a person waits to be hit first so they can claim self defense when they hit back.
I grew up in church and hated every second. There's this god, a psychopath, and I have to worship him? Hell no (no pun intended, lol!) I faked being a Christian to get everyone off my back.
He takes after his Father then? A narcissistic, genocidal, sociopath.
@@DruncanUK So TRUE! Mental gymnastics to have to ignore all the evil nonsense in that Fictional Bible... Goatherders Guide to the Universe
Well, actually everyone else made it about him, Jesus in the bible appears to be all about others. I would assume the actual reality of the situation with the life of the person or people which the biblical Jesus was inspired by had similar intentions minus the supernatural abilities.
Dark ages: let’s consolidate every piece of writing so we have control of who can read, change it how we want it, then burn a bunch
Many people today throwing around the word "Orwellian" don't realize that their beliefs are products of an Orwellian organization.
Dark ages be like ... "Let's consolidate every piece of writing so we can have control of who can read, change it how we want it, then burn a bunch." - FTFY - Now it's a meme!
Cool times.
That's every age of history. I've seen news articles change what they wrote without leaving an editors note at the bottom. I know that only because I read the article and when I went back to cite it, the wording changed. Also, how is that not Twitter or Facebook or social media today in general? People wrote stuff forever ago on twitter and thousands of people went back through their timeline and deleted their tweets and pretended it never existed. That's a modern book burning session if you think about it. JK rolling went back into her books and said characters were gay now, just because she said so. Disney changed Star Wars by saying all of the fandom created around it didn't matter but only the movies and whatever they produced mattered. Disney changed what they didn't like to fit what they wanted into the Star Wars universe. And unfortunately this will just keep happening, because people's narratives matter more to them than the truth and more than history.
@@dallascopp4798 it's all a little more complex than you say. Except the rare case of a ridditor mod deleting posts from the server, everything on these websites remains forever on a server somewhere. The only thing different is that the common observer can't see the "deleted tweets" or whatever. Everything is saved on a server somewhere, including earlier versions of whatever news article you're referencing.
It's different now because material is largely saved forvever. Even the small comments weaker here on RUclips will likely last somewhere, mirrored accross several dozen Servers around the world. The same is true for all content on all major sites.
It can’t be worse than I think because he’s a fictional character…
the difference between the biographies of jesus and the writing of the names of historical kings, is that the gospels are in fact the creation of a mythological figure. there are numerous stories of greek and egyptian deities that existed for thousands of years prior to christianity and islam, and masses believed those stories to be true.
One of my big ones about Jesus is every time a Xian says “even Jews accept that Jesus lived!”
All you’re telling me is that you don’t have any Jewish friends who feel safe to be honest with you.
It is a fringe and faulty theory that Jesus did not exist. The majority of Scholars agree that Jesus existed and that he was baptised and crucified.
@@chiefslim9353 No, no they do not.
@@chiefslim9353 🤦♂️
@@some-one-else 😂yes they do, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about
@@ajclements4627 my thoughts exactly
Great video. I am an ex-pastor. I got a BS in Religion and Masters in Theological Studies from seminary. Seminary was the catalyst in my de-converting due to several reasons. One of those reasons happens to be the lack of original texts. The mental gymnastics that Christians conduct to explain the lack of original texts stuck out to me in seminary. The P52 text of John is dated to the late 2nd century and it is only 3.5 x 2.5 inches. And P52 is available to view online in many locations, unlike the one you mentioned supposedly in the Greene collection. Thank you again for your video and all the work you have done for years.
Critical thinking prevails ! Peace brother.
Thank you for the info. I grew up in church but I can't call myself an ex-Christian as I never believed. It all seemed like any other mythology, so who's right? No one could answer that, except the whole blind faith thing. That wasn't good enough for me. That was my stance as a child, (weird, I know. I guess I was a weird kid, lol!) It all seemed BS, and god wasn't this loving god they preached. Take hell, that's not a loving god! Why should I follow and worship this psychopath and no one could answer satisfactory. Too many contradictions, too many holes in those stories.
Needless to say, I faked being a Christian to get anyone off my back. Prayer time, sermons, there was plenty of time for daydreaming. Maybe that's why I'm good at daydreaming, lol!
I'm glad that somebody who was so deep into religion like you, left because you used your brain.
That somehow gives me a bit of hope, mankind is not lost.
I remember when I was a Christian we used to call Seminary "Cemetery" Maybe it is because so many people have their faith killed there.
Bachelor of Science in Religion sounds rather suspicious... Is there a Bachelor of Science in Literature? Or a Bachelor of Science in Philosophy? Or Bachelor of Science in Politics... Oh wait, nvm. sigh. I guess bachelor of science just requires a large and/or powerful group of people to accept the label.
The new treatment isn't even reliable in it's self. The first 3 or 4 books contradict each other.
The issue is we have more evidence for other similar figures that we outright assume did not exist, like Achilles, for whom we have an actual burial mound. We have multiple mentions of him too, but the addition of actual physical evidence.
If you applied the requirements for evidence honestly to jesus as we do every other figure, the assumption would be he didn't really exist.
he prolly did. But he was not god probably just some morally jew. And the stories are probably heavily changed
@@hardcore7155 what's your proof?
@@amandasunshine2 no evidence, just logic. Since Jesuses name spread very fast and far there probablly was some guy named Jesus who preached who knows what. Not saying he did miracles or he rose from the dead cause for that you need pretty strong evidence.
@@hardcore7155 that's not logic and that's also not what happened.
@@amandasunshine2 i dont know what happend or didnt happend im just saying since Jesus is mentioned a lot he probably existed. I don’t know who he was nor do I care.
As a former Christian I need to say we don't learn anything about the truth of the religion itself other than what others would have us believe and we become indifferent to ask what should be asked
Speak for yourself, the Holy Spirit was never within you to begin with, nevertheless it’s not too late to come home.
You don't need to know truth or understand when you have faith! Or, as some teachers would tell the kids during story time, "Use your make-believe."
@@Glory_be_to_Christ This is the type of dismissive gaslighting that Christians do to others. This is why there is no point wasting time on them or their belief system. So many other things to do with life.
Christianity is for making money for the Preacher and above .
guys, we have various types of evidence that proves the Bible. hit me up if you're interested
“I’m on my knees,
One question please,
Will the real God please stand up” -Todd Rundgren
To Tell The Truth game show of the 60s ?
so every human who ever lived stands and there right except todd
I still don’t believe even a human in that role existed. We also have as much evidence for Arthur, King of the Britons.
I think Jesus stories were a syncretism of multiple wandering gurus.
This video was fascinating! But I do want to ask you something. What about the epistle of James? Was it written by the brother of Jesus? If not, how could one prove it?
We have Washington’s descendants living among us, and can trace their DNA back to him…Washington is one of the most common Black surnames.
So old George liked woman of colour, just like one of my boys.
Because Washington was a slave owner, and the slaves of a family got the same surname as their owners.
@@florian8599 Little wonder the US has more than just a few race issues.
@@mitseraffej5812 - famous BRITISH actor Benedict Cumberbatch has an embarrassing skeleton in the closet. His ancestors were slavers. Many black folks in the West Indies today have the surname of Cumberbatch.
@@benjalucian1515 Then we all do. Going back in time far enough we would all find a few sinister characters from among our ancestors.
Okay you convinced me. Caesar did ascend into the sky, and become a god.
Pizza, Pizza.
Yezzirrrrr
And by the logic of "mundane is likely because it is mundane" Hercules was a real person and so was Osiris, since they were claimed to be real by many followers who felt assured.
@@letsomethingshine A lot of Greek myths are probably, and in some cases like with the Dorian invasion, definitely 'based' on real history. Who knows, there could have been some king Herakles, just like the line of Tantalus could have been real kings. It is hard to tell how much is based on truth, mixed, and outright made up, like with the Kings of Rome and the stories surrounding them. With oral traditions, especially those about kings before the area of decent documentation, there probably is a seed of truth in there, but it is surronded by made-up stuff.
@HolyKoolaid thanks for a video on this. I was going to ask, but I saw you already made some videos on Jesus.
I agree with you that people should question thier faith. 👍
I love your video, because it contains a lot of knowledge and research. It really helps me with deconstructing.
They indeed cannot all be "Winners" but they can all be "Weiners" LOL
Hot dog!
@NoWon1223
:::ding ding ding ding ding!:::
Great video. As an atheist in the United States I’ve been frustrated with how prevalent this stuff still is.
It makes me think, if an apocalyptic event occurs, when people find Harry Potter books, 3 generations later people would take that pretty serious- with people claiming where Hogwarts really is.
Lol! Well said👍
Huh. I've been studying UFO literature lately, for a research project. And I've been struck by how similar UFO belief in America is to a religion. With the Roswell Crash as its Crucifixion-like inciting incident, that crashed saucer its Holy Grail for which people search, and the hoped for Disclosure as its Rapture, when everything is rewritten and a new world is born.
Most of the actual experiencers of the event are dead now. We have to rely on the stories of those who knew them. And they, too, will soon be gone. Believers will just have to take it on faith that "something crashed in the desert near Roswell in 1947 that changed everything."
@@kirstencorby8465 Except, aliens are more likely to be real. Plus we have tons of documents, photos, and videos pertaining to UFOs. Where as the bible is a compilation of stories from thousands of years ago that people take too literally.
@@JakeSommer Those are like the relics of the saints that get miraculously preserved. Yes, they are there and there is something tangible but the believers think that a body got mummified because of divine intervention and not a concurrence of natural factors exactly like people that see a blurry picture of a flying object see aliens even if it's easily debunkable.
but chef dont be so sure of anything . quantum scientist alreadyproven you wrong who created many worlds theory everthing is computercode nothings real youcould say ok simulation proven real but we think were in first world reality einstein said were in smooth but later been proven were actualluy in pixulated
Thanks for the idea with the name. I kinda mixed a cult idea with one of my fav Debaters. Love your work. Might join here later...
Wait. the owners of Hobby Lobby were convicted of stealing or buying illegal ancient smuggled artifacts of Egypt, Iraq and Israel?? wow.
this is precisely why i outgrew my faith, i don’t understand why any “god” would make belief in them predicated on bad evidence. if you want people to believe you, give them evidence
Only an intellectually dishonest God would do that, and God can’t be dishonest, can he?
"god's" intentions aside, there would HAVE to be at least something left behind. Even when people make a strong, honest effort to clean up after themselves, they never manage to pick up every single little crumb. And it would have been found, with so many zealots devoting their lives over thousands and thousands of years to looking for them.
The most interesting thing is how this particular cult, which must have been asking many over 2000 years, managed to grow and still be followed after this much time.
The answer of course it's, over so many cults, some were bound to get picked up and amplified, and this just so happens to be one of them.
@@itsROMPERS... "managed to grow and still be followed after this much time"
Violent conquest mostly.
@@itsROMPERS... Like Qanon. It's an amalgamation of many other conspiracies(religions) and as ridiculous and disproved as its claims are, it has somehow gained a _huge_ cult following.
if i cant understand it its not true? outgrew? wow yeah one would think it would be easy to understand something as simple as god say to god quantum physics is easy kindergarten level to god hard for us maybe we cant understand 1 percent of god much less than 1 percent but were all just guessing we will find out for sure when we die or wont HEY god if you want us to believe in you you have to play by our rules
The claims they found proof is like me stealing a worn out copy of Mother Goose from a library and saying it proves there has always been an all knowing Anatidae in a bonnet wandering the land spreading goosy wisdom. ALL HAIL THE DOWNY ONE!
is proof subjective
@@alane6975 Nope.
@@roblovestar9159 ask a lawyer
well well well, do i sense a follower of my up and coming cult?
The definitive book is Carrier "The historicity of Jesus".
A fragment of a Superman comic book is not proof Superman existed!
I really appreciate your work. Especially that you don't insult or talk down to your audience. Too many other channels are demeaning, making fun of Christians. Your healthy and knowledgeable skepticism is a breath of fresh air!
I don't think other channels mean to be disrespectful but it gets incredibly tiring hearing the constant defense undefensible ideas and stories that simply are not true...everyone can get frustrated...
So you find atheism refreshing, good luck with that. You should probably be more grateful for trees.
@@jacobwalling692skepticism does not equal atheism, but you do you.
But christians are a joke, what´s wrong with you...??
@@jacobwalling692I am
Also how does being atheist disprove trees?😂
Have you heard of evolution
Even if Jesus was a real person who existed, It still doesn't mean God is real, it only means that Jesus was not being very honest.
He also acts like a typical cultic leader, trying to separate people from their families and forcing people to choose between being a followers and their duty to their loved ones.
I love how you start your post "even if..." as if that concession makes you sound fair and balanced. Nice try, but no serious historian doubts the historicity of Jesus (RUclips click seekers aside), nor doubts the historicity of the events surrounding the resurrection; not saying they believe in the resurrection, just that it is well attested that Jesus was killed, buried, and that the body was missing. What you must decide is whether the disciples made up the story to lose their friends, family, jobs, hometowns, freedom, and eventually their lives.
Yet despite all of this they started what has been the greatest force for good in the history of the world...and there is no second place.
@@BrotherofWord What is "The greatest force for good in the history of the world"?
@@wewserlethaldude9
It's Christianity and there is no second place.
Christians have built more schools, orphanages, hospitals (heck even invented the concept of hospital), and fed more hungry, clothed more poor, counselled more struggling people, adopted and fostered more children etc than any other entity in human history.
This is not to say that there has not been abuses of power and position (and those people will be judged much more harshly bc they do these misdeeds while representing Christ), but the good far outweighs the bad.
@@BrotherofWordChristians have also gone on crusades, massacring thousans.
Christians raped the people of the americas, Christians have caused many wars...
If we call Jesus by his real given name, the whole story of him being God falls apart. How do we worship a man called Joshua as God.
Thanks for your," due diligence", on a subject, I find perplexing, in the 21st century. Your thoughtful analysis , and breakdown of the facts are refre, and refreshing, and on the mark ! Good job !!
They can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong. So brilliant and concise
You speaking for this Jewish imaginary been in your head and supertious claims that never happened evil genocidal racist maniac from the zionist bible. Imaginary been never ever speak for itself but only in people heads always in the heads. Extraordinary claims for your imaginary been who never existed need Extraordinary evidence.
Inaccurate. There can in fact be , and is 1 truth.
You’re preaching to the choir with me bec I was raised with all of this skepticism- you overcame a lifetime of dedication to get here. I love this. I can’t imagine the pain that came with leaving your prior life.
@@revan552 👊🏻
Yup and they are still so easily offended, and call you out for showing the least bit of frustration with their inability to separate fact from faith and what is lost because of this
Bro great video. Unbelievable how your content is here for all of us to see!
Paul: I had a vision, trust me bro.
Thomas look like Jeebus (with a perm). At least Thomas is real....
Thomas > Jesus *confirmed*
All Hail Thomas Christ!! Lol
I deffinatly believe in Thomas and his majestic hair far more than Jesus.
@@joyjones8231 me too
Thomas means twin. And in "Thomas Didymus" the "last name" Didymus also means twin.
Belief in George Washington doesn't hold the (probably empty) promise of eternal life, therefore Christians will accept biblical claims of Jesus' existence and divinity with the flimsiest of evidence.
No. The belief in George Washington doesn't get me to believe all of the stories about him, and I certainly won't use the existence of a cherry pie to prove George Washington existed.
@@rudra62 But why would you anyway? George had 2 human parents, he wasn't his own father and he never promised everlasting life for the American people. So who cares if he ever existed, LOL! But if someone DOES fulfill those criteria you better believe no matter what because otherwise what hope do you have to go on living after you die? :-)
@@destronia123 I have subjective evidence and reports that cherry pies are heavenly. :) I am certain that cherries exist.
Even the cherry tree that George Washington allegedly chopped down had two (cherry) parents. Same as the fig tree that Jesus allegedly cursed for not bearing fruit out of season.
Parthenogenesis is theoretically possible, never observed in humans, where someone could have one parent - but that person would be female. Does not apply to any story about either Jesus or George.
....Although some children born now in some ways have more than 2 human parents. E.g., One woman has her eggs harvested, some are fertilized through sperm - husband's or donor's - implanted by a human doctor in a different woman, who is legally the child of the woman-who-bore them's husband. Or, there are more complicated methods of gene editing where an egg can be made by 2 or 3 women - none of whom may be the one who becomes pregnant. Yeah, off topic.
Jesus transformed my life. He broke the chains that pornography and sexual immorality had placed on me. I've laid hands on withered limbs and seen them recover. I've cast out demons. I've heard the voice of God. Giving up my pride and arrogance and surrendering to Jesus was the best decision I ever made!
So you work in a hospital healing people?
Awesome! Praise God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit!
I pray to God to open the eyes, ears and heart of holy koolaid, so he can bring others to Christ!
Paul definitely does not mention Jesus having "disciples," just "apostles," who were people (like Paul) that the spiritual Jesus revealed himself to with vision and "according to the scripture."
Exactly. Which is why Paul, when meeting Peter and someone possibly James, didn't treat them like hand-picked apostles by a living Jesus. He considered them no better than himself, a street preacher.
“He did magic floaty stuff”. Nice!
@Jesus Christget a cult following and maybe you can be a deity in a few centuries...
Oh you already did that?..
Guess you need a new bucket list...
@Jesus Christ that depends.. do you get to count each year, or only 1/3 of one, since it's split 3 ways?
After studying the history of the Bible I couldn’t ever look at the Bible as the unfoulable word of God.
infallible, but otherwise spot on.
Most Christians haven’t read The Bible, let alone know about it’s history etc that’s why they are Christians.
@@martynodonnell8467 I have read the Bible and studied much of it's history and I am a Christian. Why do you consider it unreliable?
the human element isnt pure spiritual is
@@anunknownentity1637 Let see... At least 2 generation of the Telephone Game for the bits written the earliest after the reported events as a start.
Then...
ALL of the alleged authors names where plugged in at some later time.
A LOT of it's content have been taken straight out from other traditions and writings from other religions of the area and period.
We do know that it went through a LOT of editorial changes.
Each and every current versions, in all language, deliberately left out a lot of source material.
The agendas of most of those who compiled the current versions are well documented.
The sheer number of versions of it that do exist.
The fact that there are contradiction between any two versions that you may pick.
That list is NOT complete.
In my life I've read the entire Bible multiple times and studied to the best of my ability where all the texts came from. And sadly it's still pretty vague as to how it all came together. Various facts, claims, and myths about the origins twisted into a coherent narrative. If I really had to guess, I do think that Jesus was a real person, but I don't think that most of the things that are written about him are accurate. I would guess that the things that he said and did are very different from what people claim.
The guy in this video IS jesus, testing our faith. Look at those cheekbones!! What an honour, if you read my comment Jesus, this video is just what I needed right now. My sister is in a terrible place with her addiction issues. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. What an honour to find you here on RUclips. My heart is warm tonight. Subscribed.
I legit can't tell if you are being serious or nah
Gross
@@friendlyneighborhoodgaymanI’m being completely honest with you here dude, like actually serious: if you can’t tell that that person is joking, then you’re fucking stupid.
Please learn what a joke is. God damn bro, it’s like people have never encountered internet culture or sarcasm. It’s crazy.
More than an article of faith
ruclips.net/video/UGkiWiEAByI/видео.htmlsi=cWer6YMSMXILyXHx
uh, can you please send me your sister's phone number? 😒
I’m a life long atheist, 64 years and counting. I’ve watched a lot of these kinds of videos and of course the Four Horsemen and other noted atheists as well as read all their books and have read the Bible several times. I stumbled across a link and have watched several of your videos. You’re very good, I love the history (actually all history) and the talking points. Gotta keep my mind sharp. I officially turned you over to all my atheist family members and atheist friends and all my atheist web sites and discussion apps (like Quora) with a big thumbs up 👍. I especially like that you promote education before all else. I told my grandkids in their early teens that it was best to get some education before you start calling yourself anything. Especially an atheist. That’s like wearing a tag that says “I’m an atheist, debate me, debate me”. Once you put a label on it, you’ll be called on to defend you’re position and nothing is more embarrassing than not having a clue but you don’t realize it until you’re in a debate and made a fool of. I like your perspective as a former Christian. Maybe you, better than a lifelong atheist like myself, can get across to some Christian’s that we’re really not out to “get them”. We just want to protect our rights too. Thanks for your work. It’s worthy.
I pray for you
@@morrisconnor8305 Keep praying to your imaginary being, it's not going to do a thing.
@@morrisconnor8305
Don't bother! That goes for me too.
@@morrisconnor8305 Why? Not being awkward but honestly why? If your god ( you chose the right god I am presuming) he has a plan. If he has a plan then it does not matter what you or I or anyone asks for his plan is perfect and infallible and he will not be changing it for you or anyone.. No, praying is an act of desperation, want, need and desire. born out of fear of being sent to the wrong place. So you are living a life of blackmail and coercion begging your capricious mass murdering, sexist,jealous slave promoting god for something and worshipping this evil entity and forgiving him for all the evil terrible things the bible claims he has done to his children. Any parent /guardian doing 1 millionth of these things would be sent to prison and quite right too.
There are only 144,000 places in heaven and only for the chosen people ( 12 tribes of Abraham) Jesus came not to change the laws but to uphold them so you cant say that is the old testament and it is no longer valid.... You see most of us atheists have read the bible properly and that is why we are Atheists.
So. I ask again... why pray?
@@paulbennett7021 Or as Christopher Hitchens said when someone said I pray for you. He replied: "Then I will think for you!"
Is it just me, or is Thomas looking more and more like renaissance Jesus with every new video?
Lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking that.
Charles Manson
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! 😜🤣😂😂👍
Yeah, that frazzled curliness is not gonna move a lot of hair product units... Superb content, though. As always.
@@borisselioutsky7877 Yes, his videos are well researched, and presented.
Hey! Love your videos! You really doing society a favour exposing religious lies.
Where can I find the source for this?
God said in Quran about Jesus (peace be upon him):
" And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]. That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]." (Quran 3:42-43)
" [And mention] when the angels said, “O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God ].
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous. She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God ; He creates what He wills.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God.(Quran 03:45-49)
"[Mention] when God said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to God alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."(Quran 3:55 )
Look at the movement Jesus started, and how it swept across the world. Our entire civilization is a testament to the existence of Christ.
Look at how all of His apostles suffered and died for the sake of the gospel. If it was a lie they would have renounced their beliefs to save their lives. NO ONE is going to let themselves be tortured and killed for something they know is a lie...