China Made A Great Knife!? | Real Steel Bushcraft Vs Mora Garberg
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- We've tested many knives from China. Most of them use bad steels or just simple have a bead heat treatment or build quality. Today we test a knife that might actually be one of China's hidden gems! The Real Steel Bushcraft Plus Convex in 14c28n steel. This might be one of the most affordable convex knives.. but is it good?
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#RealSteel #Mora #convex
Videos like these are why I first started watching DBK. When they make videos like these, nobody reviews a knife better than they do.
If China provides cheap things it doesn't necessarily mean that they can't produce a quality products... if you will pay enough money that is.
I own both knives. Altough I am a mora fan , I prefer the handle of the real steel.
You should try a Norwegian «helle» knife of your own choosing
In reality, China manufacturers have the potential of building any range of quality even the highest. The problem is with the cheap ass business men that make money by importing and selling crap
I've been using the Real-Steel Bushcraft Plus Convex in 14c28n for a little over a month now. Shoulder season late fall provides ideal timing with good insights for making outdoor performance assessments. Here in Alaska... the uses for a knife of this genre and class in September thru November are mainly fishing, hunting, camp, utility, and around the house tasks or play. Settings and conditions will widely vary. So far in this genre and class my preferences are Garberg 14c28n stainless, Varusteleka Terävä Jääkäri Puukko (have both in 80CrV2 and Stainless *likely X50CrMoV18) and Bark River Springbok II cpm3v. All these are extremely useful, trustworthy all arounders. The Real-Steel Bushcraft Plus Convex in 14c28n caught my eye a while back, but were unavailable here in USA... so funny thing is, I ordered from a European site with great pricing plus shipping terms/rates. So far I have to say it is a winner with nice fit & finish and places categorically well up to and performance wise as a truly competitive convex option for going mild to wild. Not experiencing any hot-spots. I find the handle very well done and near perfectly aligned/fitted. Jimping is quite functional and satisfactory as far as comfort. Spine is @ 90. Tip strength is very good. Multi-purposed mounting sheath is of good molded kydex, tie fastened or removable, inside the fabric belt sheath, w/ accessory pouch. Overall a fine, dependable, well thought out, all-arounder package at the asking price.
interesting, thanks for sharing - it does seem very well priced if it as decent as you say
the post is a little bit older, hoping you steel read it or get a message: I have the RS bushcraft pro with a flat grind, but have the chance now to get it also with the the convex grind (it is even still available in scandi grind), however, I always struggle to see a distinct advantage of the convex grind, especially when taking steel material and the matters you cut into account. For batoning the convex has advantages, but for meat, especially lunges (dog food) I really prefer full flat or even a hollow grind (not available for the RS pro) - your thoughts?
@@WM-jy9dz Convex grind has some advantages. That said - other grinds (even hollow) have relevant advantages in their own right. I'll relate that grind 'snobbery' is not all that important. Good materials, overall geometries/design, good workmanship with consistency, proof-testing, tunability/sharpening maintenance, reliability, and user familiarity practices will achieve the upper hand vs. grind type. My Real-Steel Bushcraft Plus Convex in 14c28n is still going strong, and the sheath is still excellent. Here is an older video using the knife: ruclips.net/video/Zk0ocPRe34c/видео.html
@@alaskaraftconnection-alask3397 ha, that was a fast response - very appreciated. The 14C28N is one of the toughest steels out there, another reason why I think the difference between the flat grind and the convex grind is not so important for this specific knife; the blade is 4.5 mm thick, combined with the moderate length and the tough 14C28N even the flat grind should be strong enough for rougher tasks, with some advantages for meat / lunges processing.
Interestingly, when ESEE listened to their customers who asked them to make the ESEE-4 also with a "better" steel they seemed to ignore the fact that S35VN is much more brittle than the 1095 (S35VN is indeed significant better wrt edge retention and wear resistance), and keeping the same grind and thickness some customers indeed broke the S35VN blade - for this knife changing the grind or at least the thickness when using a more brittle steel would have some merits IMO.
@@WM-jy9dz My experience with 14C27N trends the outdoor genre medium knife size mostly using MORA Garberg and Real-Steel Bushcraft Plus Convex. I do not consider these as 'over-build' class or type knives such as BK-2, Esee-5, etc. For this size/weight range, reasonable use, reliability, overall performance, low/easy maintenance, and at this general price point... I'd relate 14C27N fits the applications par for the course. Honestly, for most outings, my go-to in 14C27N 8-9 out of ten times will be Garberg. However, when I want similar loadout and regarding suitability nod to convex (like hunting applications ) I'll run with Bushcraft Plus Convex. Having realistic expectations for 14C27N plus good blade geometry and good handles it's hard to go wrong.
It vould be cool guys if u made a video with improving that handle on a "realsteel", it seems to be on screws, so you can strip it and change handle, i think it can be fun.
Real Steel handles are awesome.
The handle forming hot spots depends on the hand
Actually no Mora is a true scandi. They all have a micro bevel from the factory. They didn’t tell you?
joe Recto they run the edge with a polishing wheel. Let me double check. True scandi edge is actually very fragile and very sharp.
joe Recto www.reddit.com/r/Bushcraft/comments/5s1l0p/mora_garbergs_micro_bevel/
When are you guys going to test the Morakniv Eldris? 😃
You guys ever reviewed any LT Wright knives before? They're good quality knives imo
Great video guys! I'm glad seeing that Marten lost finally some weight!
In the folding knife world, China is pretty much the Japan of quality. We knives , Reate , etc. not just their own models but make for designers and other brands as well
DBK PLEASE THE KNIFE NOT WORK ALONE !!!!!!!!!!!!! 90% MAN. 10% KNIFE !!!!!?????OK!!!!!!!!!
Please do a test with Aurora 2 and 3
yeah have you never heard of we, kizer or reate, as well as ckf
I think you're looking for Dutch Pocket Jewelry Knives. Different channel.
@@dm3639 😂🤣 Kizer's a bit more subdued though, I can better appreciate their kind of 'bling'. And they have some pretty good beaters in their Vanguard line.
I avoid Kizer and we knives. Ckf and Reate are far better. Kizer is budget junk. We knives are over priced and have average heat treat.
I have the Real Steel Bushcraft Convex in D2..Guys, this Knife has a very good Edge retention....you say the Truth about the Microbevel, i Had to resharpen that Knife to a Real Convex Grind....and i had Hotspots on the Handle, but with a little Bit Work, the Problem past away..
Try creating a bevel you like by resharpening.
I could easily survive the wilderness with a $50 knife. There are people who wouldn't survive even if they had a $1,000 knife. It's not the knife, it's the person at the end of the day.
Hey DBK Mora Knives makes a brand of knives called Bahco, they make one called the "Wrecking knife" it is very similar to the the straight Garburg but with a bigger edge and not full tang, it may be a better value than the Robust. It is a very intersting knife. Love your vids long time fan.
Good vid, should put it up against the new victorinox fixed blade they seem to be more similar to one another... Or even the Ontario knives bushcrafter in 5160...
Hahahahahaha " China just changed the game"..... watching this under quarantine
DBK Are My Heroes.
You might want to revisit this comparison. The Real Steel is $60 US while the Garberg is $85 US, and the Real Steel is now made with D2 steel. It also comes in a scandi grind ( and flat grind ) blade
That real steel bushcraft convex version officially sells at about 118 dollars at China and Mora Garberg at 156 dollars,what a mystery.I won't buy them either.
The RSK Bushcraft Convex will be my next knife. I saw it at knivesandtools and now you make a video about it.
I avoid them, end of story.
You guys didn't bring up the sheath its way better than Mora's option also why not sharpen it as you have the Mora. Its kind of hard for you guys cause ya get so much knives in for review and ya own so many so I know that's gotta be tough.
I'm not saying you're being deceptive AT ALL I like your reviews😉 IMHO being a knife lover who has used these budget friendly brands cause I'm poor the Real Steel IMHO gives you more for your money. I was a huge fan of the Garberg but over time I've come to realize the grind is actually way to abrupt .
The convex will give you much more options of use with food prep and esp skinning an animal once ya hone that edge. I do agree the handle is to thin BUT its removable has storage space for fishing line and you could add liners or your own handle all together. We fall in love with brands and I think I was a fanboy for Mora which caused some bias which messed with my asssment of the Garberg.
I've now been using the Ontario Blackbird Sk5 for over a year and have stopped using other knives cause the spear tip just works great.
154CM is great steal you guys should try the knife out its not perfect but I like it and have literally become one with the design.
Your videos improved.. no more silly drama .. I recommend add tomato cutting test
I belive that the version with D2 the better version is and also is cheaper then.
I would still take the Mora over the Real Steel any day. I have six Moras and several other expensive Scandinavian knives. The Moras will out perform many other knives especially for the price. Thanks 🎸🔪
Real steel 2 is D2 and has a scandi grind. Why not compare that to the Mora to that? Sound like a fair fight
heard the Rumor that "CPM 3V is the new Fancy name of Bearing steel/52100"!!! ???
I'm not going to get into the discussion surrounding the ethics of buying from china, that's a complex conversation I don't have the time or patience to get into. Instead I will point out that, while the majority of chinese exports are terrible quality jokes of a product, when you are willing to do the research and pay the needed price you can find and get high quality knives from anywhere, including china.
"Quality is not about geography, It's about effort."-Nick Shabazz
look the Wolfgangs Ambulo great knife D2 steel and great price.
You've a woman's hands
Could be a reason to want a knife🤔🤨😏
Real steel has a scandi for round 60 doll hairs it might be a better comparison
I sense a AVE fan.
i own the real steel bushcraft 2 with the scandi grind, and it's a great knife, it has a feeling of great quality
@@gavin3488 i dont even particularly care about his videos i am just there too hear the man talk
I want that freaking baqbabaarora knife damnit!
Bakbiviborora is my favorite knife so far I want it.
I have the bushcraft 2 in d2 steel, what an amazing little knife with its scandi edge, but garberg is better in that category. Handle is better, no hotspot, ..... It's a mora...
DBK please review the Ontario air force knife.
Not a real convex? Don’t you demonstrate the « survival » model in thaïs video, folks?
Next knife for review: Sog seal xr please!
Shit boys, you really have to train your no spin throwing. Put the index finger behind the spine of the knife to guide it, and don’t bend the wrist when throwing ( bendind the wrist adds a LOT of spinning ).
RS has problems with handles
My Buscrafter 2 handle is too much slippery, i hat to wrap tennis grip !
In China you can pay them $100 to make a knife or you can also pay them $100 to make 100 knives so yeah
Should do a cheap knife video destruction test
Thanks for the review! I’d love to see you guys review some WORKTUFFGEAR blades!
Why waste money? Get the best.in the long u won't regret it. Just wish mora would have put the same grip handle as the eldris. 🗡👍
Mora are so overrated and overpriced its obscene.
Hell yeah guys!! Seriously thanks for putting this together. I sent a FB message a while back requesting a review on this knife (the original version in D2 steel). I don't know if that had anything at all to do with it being created. I ended up buying the knife. Either way, you guys are THE best!
Make a video on the victorinox hunter pro
I bet that fucking song hurt my ears more than that knife hurt your hand hade to mute this one !
sadly, this comparison has been made between convex vs scandi...
The Real Steel exists in scandi and the comparison had been more interesting.
This was more convex vs scnadi then Garberg vs Bushcraft + as both are 14c28n...
Thing is Convex is a rarity in a decent price and from China as well. Something even more rare from them to actually make quality.
And the winner is,
Terava Jääkäripuukko 110 ⚔️
Yea if u want to spend hours fixing bad grinds and bevels
@@JordanMac79 Nothing to fix on mine. It's perfect and twice as strong.
@@mistersmith3986 yea I'd imagine people will get a decent one once in a while but mine wasnt. And twice as strong?
You need to check out Ruike knives - another excellent Chinese/Scandinavian steel manufacturer!
I believe they are a subsidiary of Fenika flashlights, but they make great folders and fixed blades!!
Keep up the great work chaps!!
Fenix Flashlights You mean.
Are your videos shot in the Amazon? Que the moisture from above
Martin you really need to learn to throw a knife correctly
DBK please review the cold steel trail master knife.
I agree, and i would also like a cold steel sword test (read: really hard use😁)
@@matthiassnoep6833 they did one already, i think they tested the tanto or smth against other choppers
@@skyurrik3239 it was the machete katana.
@@matthiassnoep6833 the Viking sword for sure.
@@skyurrik3239 machetes don't count😁
Mora garberg also comes with a secondary bevel. That's not a true scandi out of the box. So blaming the real steel bushcraft for a second bevel is not a point. U can remove the bezel from the garberg same as on the realsteel. But a convex is harder to create in mass production so the realsteel is the better bang for the buck here. Having a convex which normally only more expensive knives have.
My Garberg came with a very big secondary bevel.
So I ordered another one, same.
I would complain, and send it back for a refund (or another replacement if you really want one) mine came with no secondary bevel. Also make sure you are buying from a reliable source.
the garberg comes with a secondary bevel ... dbk made it scandivex by themselves
@@kennethmaddox6219 true, but sometimes is more and sometimes less visible
Buy another one lol
@@kennethmaddox6219 it has a very very tiny bevel
Hi dbk what is bester the mora garberg or the cabine one
Basically how good a bushcraft knife is, is measured by how close it can come to even the Garberg. This contest is fair, and it makes me so proud of my china-made knife 🙂🙂🙂. I'll get my hands on a Garberg someday, but for now my Real Steel Bushcraft will do.
So you admit that you're testing knives on unequal terms with the note of the garberg being sharpened and the bushcraft plus not being sharpened.
Another reason why I unsubscribed...
We said both knives are good. Downside of the real steel is the handle. It can't be fixed
@@DutchBushcraftKnives
I have a real steel knife with a similar handle. No hot spots.
Can't say the same for the Garberg.
The hot spots isn't a fair factor because it depends on the hand.
Also, when you compare 2 knives and one of them you sharpened, do the same for the other knife to make it an even battle.
If not, you're simply tilting the odds in favor of your favorite and that's not an honest tactic, to say the least.
You did the same with the BK2 vs. ESEE-5 video.
The only bright side to this video is that you didn't try hard to make it funny, which you aren't usually good at and that's another reason I unsubscribed.
- bad theatrics
- unfair testing
I'm sad now......videos used to be twice as long(that's what she said)now we have to wait another week for more....so sad...
I have the real steel bushcraft 3 made in D2 G10 scales red liners in coyote full scandi...i love it the best 40 bucks i have ever spent on a knife.
Sadly my Garberg also came with a micro-bevel originally. The Real Steel is also available in a scandi-grind btw, didn't you guys do a video on that one already?
Testing ruike jager f118
Made in China knives aren't that bad nowadays. I've got several Ganzo folders and they are good. They are cheap, but can be compared with the great brands like Buck, SOG, Benchmade. Mostly, Ganzo uses 440C like steel, but the FH11 is in D2 steel. Have one and never sharpened it.
I got a Sanremu folder for many years as my everyday utility and still looks and works like new
Your videos are getting better in quality. Good crisp clear graphics. Thank you!
We knives are made in China and they are amazing
The price is also amazing ! For 1 WE knife I can buy 10 or 20 Ganzo knives.
DBK please review the iconic Ontario 18in machete.
Жаль зебра не выпускает вас
I was gonna go to sleep but why would i when theres a new dbk video
People moan about chinese knives but i have a 8crMOV14 'copy' .. a homage rather.. to one of Cold Steel's Ti-lites and it is unbeliveable metal. I got it dirt cheap and I've battered it around so much and... nothing! Apart from scratches on the blade side. My Cold Steel Kobun in AUS8A is meant to be a very similar steel (i think AUS8 is identical and scratches similarly) but just can't take anything near the same abuse and is well chipped and dinged after just a few weeks. I just wish i had that chinese steel in a different knife i.e not a folding 'dagger'. I have a 440c chinese folder commissioned by Walther apparently and that is also very impressive. Do not dismiss Chinese manufacturing capabilities! Euro folk can generally complain about handle size okay...
国产有凯泽啊，这把是普通阳江刀嘛？这么对比是不是不太公平啊？
China did change the game #2020
I mean civivi and wi knives are making excellent folders.
I thought it was we
@@onlynow8386 Ah it might be. I don't remember
and Reate, and Kizer, and Rike (i mean holy fuck, look at those alien like INTEGRALS?!), and even Green Thorn and Two Sun and probably others i forgot. there's nobody on earth that does production folders as good as the chinese on that scale at those prices. it's not even close
@@praetor47 I'm thinking of getting a twosun pretty soon
The GARBERG does not come with a true scandi I've owned two and both had secondary bevels one worse than the other.
Personally I used to love my Garberg but honestly the grind is short making it a poor scandi grind. With the thick tang it should have a higher grind like the Terrava Puukko .
The Real Steel scandi DONT BUY IT the edge is way to thin and soft ....as for the fullflat ki had no issues but I do agree the handles are to thin.
I like this new convex edition but until they fix the handle no thanks ...BUT regardless everyone in the U.S is VERY anti China now so don't look for these companies to last long.
China lied people died!
Airik1111 Bro I'm seeing you comment on everything. You hate that scandi grind. Got the convex RS Plus on the way.
@@H3lpY0u0ut 😂 You must be as bored as me ... I used to be obsessed with the whole "scandi only" idea for bushcraft.
Those real steel knives are really nice I traded mine with another youtuber a few years ago . A really nice kid he has a review of the full fkat grind his name was John but I can't remember his channel name.
I'm guessing the Convex is even better, if I had kept that full flat I would of added liners cause its a bit skinny . BUT for a Chinese made knife Real Steel is legit they make really good products and they ain't ripping off designs like other china products.
@@H3lpY0u0ut here's his review on our trade ruclips.net/video/jiI0AiCW0pU/видео.html
I got his Ontario sk5 which I sold but then bought a new one again LOL😂 its my favorite knife now , go figure.
Airik1111 yes I saw your comments on that young guys video about the trade. Like I said I've seen your comments on a lot of videos just found it funny. I do the same thing when I hate a product
Real Steel made out of Chinesium.
What comment will I ever post if you ever test the Bark River Kephart and mini Kephart? Still waiting. 😘👍
Archie Everhart I ask them to test them every time they post. 😂 That thin blade would definitely be good for food prep. Wonder how the blade strength is? I hope they test them one day. Thanks for the info. Brother. 👍
Archie Everhart That’s disappointing to hear. I really, really like the blade shape of the Kephart but bark river knives shouldn’t fail due to the cost. Thanks for the intel brother. Much appreciated. 👊
Good review! Someone else in this thread mentioned a good point; could you replace the handle of the Real Steel and try again?
Maak een nederlandsen video
Why did you not review the Real Steel Bushcraft III Scandi 3726 Coyote bushcraft knife in D2
For only 48 euro
That would have been a real comparison
They make this real steel knife with a scandi blade
I have one.
A good knife
I've owned that real steel for a few years now, by buddy has the bushcraft II scandi...We were both surprised by Real Steal quality
Best Mortal Kombat voice: "Mora Garberg WINS"
A great naaf for the praas.
China haha oh shit !
as far as production folding knives go, the Chinese run circles around the rest of the world. it's not even funny how much better they are than everybody else (to the point that their replicas made by following specs and online pictures are significantly better and closer to the original customs than "official production" midtechs made with the help of the original designers).
it's honestly extremely stupid and dishonest to denigrate the Chinese when it comes to knifemaking. plus, Mora has terrible QC and it comes with a shitty secondary bevel from factory (and, from factory, it would've performed poorer than the RealSteel)
that said, considering the current HK situation, i wouldn't begrudge anyone who'd rather buy something that's NOT made in China 'cause fuck 'em
how about some $20-$40 Fasttech.com knives. They have alot of really nice ones. I know, I bought some.
Hi guys, a cool knife that looks like this real steel that I really like to use is the Amare Duro Expedition convex. You should give it a try, it's worth your time and has been tested very little on RUclips. Regards
I think I am commenting too late for it to be seen, but I would like to know your thoughts on Spanish steel knives. I haven’t found any old videos testing Muela (except the new Victorinox 🧐)
Review the Condor Terrasaur!
Can I be the first to say holy ******
DBK if you find a reliable Chinese manufacture you like can you have your knives made at multiple price points from different manufacturers?
Crazy rock chucker ...Vs the sexy hammer guy! That's what I really want to see! ...who gives the best forest cuddle! Lol X...sending you love from the UK ❤🔥🔪
There's a new version out to address this and other criticisms: Bushcraft III with (among other things) improved handle and no micro bevel, true convex grind. There's also other new knives based on that new knowledge, like the CVX-80 (which is awesome). I think you should revisit Real Steel some time. It is very much possible that you guys have accidentally made Chinese bushcraft knives a lot better with this video. Cheers
Guys, kunnen jullie je mail checken? :) (net gestuurd)
Topwerk deze video... Kan niet anders zeggen...
I like TOPS knives the same way you like Mora knives. Good review DBK. Personally, I will spend more money to get better quality. The only Taiwanese knives I will ever buy are Cold Steel.
Nyce nyphe!
Great Video :D
The Real Steel looks good, but not so good as the Mora Garberg, which looks also more ergonomic. Further the Real Steel is not a good choice, cause the handle fucked up, hotspots...I hate to use knifes which do that that shit. But my own Knives are good guys :D
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