Short Tracks to "Cookie Cutters": Inside NASCAR's 1990s Track Shift
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2020
- For the past 20 years, so-called "Cookie Cutter Tracks" on the NASCAR schedule have been criticized for a lack of excitement. Today, "More Short Tracks" is a common phrase in racing. But in the 1990s, short tracks were being pushed out of racing. "Rubbin is racing," but some people though it was unprofessional, short tracks couldn't hold enough cars, tracks need to be in big cities, and intermediate tracks were the future. When nearly a dozen major race tracks were built in the late-90s, most of them were 1.5 mile tracks. In this video, we analyze the mentality of 1990s track designers and how 2020 NASCAR wound up filled with intermediate tracks.
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7:13 DW predicting the future
Love seeing my favorite RUclips channels supporting each other. DW was spot on.
@@-BigMike- , yes. The Nascar youtube comunitty is united
@@henriquepaladino3779 very much so. everything the drivers and gordon said in this vid was spot on.
@@henriquepaladino3779 Absolutely. BFM is gonna narrated the next video once he gets back from Bristol. That's gonna be cool
I think most people remember DW for his 2010-2019 persona. His mind kind of went to hell during that period, but he was a really, really smart guy in his prime, and even the first half of his broadcasting career.
When he turned up at Bristol for the All Star race though, he seemed pretty good. Not the wild Waltrip mind of the past.
It's not because the track is a mile and a half, it's because there's not much imagination put into the layout to at least try and make it unique or differentiate it from others.
Because when everyone's Charlotte, no one will be.
THIS. Darlington and Pocono werre always great because they had unique layouts. Bristol has the high banks. Meanwhile, Loudon is the most mindnumbingly boring track ever conceived (all the thrills of Fontana, all the speed of Martinsville). I mean, if they designed tracks to bring something different to the table, that'd be one thing. But even though Bristol is super fun to watch, an entire season Bristol would be boring as hell.
this also explains why everyone seems in love with homestead once they reconfigured it for a 3rd time. it's a 1.5 mile track just like the cookie cutters but because it looks almost like "old" atlanta it brings something new to the table.
Octagon shaped track anyone?
Precisely why nazareth and rockingham were devastating to loose. Both were uniquely configured and were exciteing to watch
@@randomepic6204 At least Nashville is back for 2021.
Nascar needs more asymmetrical tracks like Pocono and Darlington.
I agree
You damn right
Nazareth and I guess Rockingham are 2 good ones that they should try to add back.
Darrell Waltrip was 100% spot on. NASCAR has done itself in.
He was like this in "Three Before February" too! Darrell Waltrip is a thinking man with SO MANY GOOD TAKES. TF happened to him in that Fox commentary booth?
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 $$$$$$
Didn't want to lose his job. He wanted to get his pension or retirement from FOX and bow out of the sport, but I don't blame him for that. DW has always been a bit goofy like his brother, but FOX turned him into a caricature and amped the goofiness up to 110% in the later 2000s, and especially the 2010s.
Last time I remember DW calling out NASCAR on a broadcast was the 2009 Coca Cola 600 about how fans and drivers hated the CoT. That story was told by Larry McReynolds. Mike Helton basically gave them a butt chewing.
I know they had other reasons for dropping North Wilkesboro besides crashes, but honestly it seemed like it produced less cautions than Martinsville or Bristol (I believe NW had the only caution free short track race in the 90s?). They really can't use the crash argument these days, they tear up more at the plate tracks than they do at any of the short tracks. Great video as always!
This might be the most badass RUclips name ever. Totally agree, just needed to tell ya that
I was involved in trying to bring back NWS back in ‘13 & ‘14. My dad volunteered to help and then I did, and I was able to persuade the owners of the audio co. I was working with at the time to go along. We provided PA for the races for a few weekends and got to work with an
announcer, Edwin Purdue. Great guy! That was the first track my dad ever took me too as a kid, and to be there, on top of the press box, in Victory Lane, watching local racing again, is something I will always cherish.
NASCAR doesn't actually care about what NASCAR fans want to see anymore. They're too concerned with pandering to the political left and SJW cancer, which doesn't even watch NASCAR....
NASCAR deserves to die at this point.
@@generalkayoss7347 there needs to be a new series that does what nascar originally did, take street cars that anyone can buy and race them on whichever tracks that series can get
@@illdeletethismusic What are you talking about. NASCAR hasn't had cars on the track "that anyone can buy at the dealer" since the 60's......LOL. Sure, the 70's had em........but the engine builders for the teams were using technology no one on the street had to make incredible HP not to mention all of the other mods to the cars.
Yes we need more short tracks and I wish we could get Iowa onto the Cup schedule.
Milwaukee is a pick I would go for myself as well
Even though I live close to Iowa speedway there's a ton of other short tracks I'd like to see more
If they do i can finally go to a cup race with this pandemic
@@81casperflip how close do u live to iowa speedway? I'm about 2 hrs East of the track.
I would for them to sink some money into some retro tracks like N Wilkesboro and rockingham. Maybe even Nazareth. I love the beating and banging of short tracks. That's when tempers flare and heads get hot.
This video is lowkey tragic to watch
wym
Ok your profile is godlike
It really is sad to see how majestic Kyle Petty's hair was in the 90s compared to now.
Get used to it. America died loooong ago and the people have *ZERO* intention of preserving it.
@@fintanoclery2698 Kyle still has that mane, NBC keeps it in a ponytail though
As a non-American who only knows Jeff Gordon and the Cars movie in relation to Nascar, I really enjoyed this educational video, props to you man
There’s more crashes and torn up cars at Daytona and Talladega than short tracks now. There’s still time for some of these short tracks to be updated or fixed in order to host a cup race and give the fans what they want.
Michaelangelo48 more injuries and deaths too!
Ahhh yes, 490 miles of sleep inducing, single file racing followed by mahem as everyone tries to pass at once. All summed up by a race determined not by skill or equipment, but by blind luck. Sadly, you can't eliminate the restrictor plates unless you want cars sailing over the catch fences and the accompanying dead drivers and spectators.
@@BatteryH1862 Have you watched any of the superspeedway races since spring Talladega 2019? The single file freight train has barely, if ever, existed in those races.
Paul Loebach Jr. true, the races have been more entertaining throughout, but they’ve all still come down to last car running. It’s still 99.9% luck
I remember in the early 2000’s it was said that you couldn’t get a seat at Bristol.
It's true.
That's cause early mid 2000s was the best
Bristol Cup races used to be a 2 year waiting list for first time ticket purchases through proper purchasing channels. Now they give the damn things away! The only reason why Bristol hasn't ripped up the stands yet is because Tennessee doesn't tax seating capacity yearly at sporting facilities whether or not tickets for those seats ever got sold. In 40 of the other 50 states half of them Grandstands would've been long gone 10 years ago!
Why do people get hard over the idea of not being able to go places
I don’t know about you but the fact that I couldn’t get a seat was a MAJOR turn off for me
That little truck had more excitement in the 1st 40 laps than you’ll see at all these new tracks.
the 2020's is going to bring in a short track renaissance, just you wait.
it better. the well being of nascar relies on it
This is gonna be an unpopular opinion but I love Texas, California, Las Vegas, and Especially Atlanta. My first real memory was when Carl Edwards beating Jimmie to the line in 05. But it's just my opinion
Road Courses I feel are going to get a better push. I feel Road America, Indy Road Course will be added sooner or later. It would cool to see 5 of them on the schedule. For short tracks, it would be nice to see Iowa or building a sister version of bristol in a big market. I'm not sure of other short track options that has the infrastructure ready for a Cup race
@@mistaTVD3199 COTA will definitely have to get a spot on the NASCAR schedule after 2021. I feel they want it, but cannot currently as the contract they have with Texas Motor Speedway says NASCAR cant race anywhere else in Texas for now. I really do hope we see an increase in road courses and short tracks like most people do.
I think we will see a greater variety of tracks for sure
“One day we’ll wake up and they won’t be there.” Damn Darrell, those words have never rang clearer than before. I think back all the time to the days where NASCAR was a mainstream sport, and everyone loved it, not just our small little nucleus of people. Even the core audience of the South has left NASCAR behind. Our friends may very well truly be gone.
@Womb Raider yep all in the name of “progress”. Makes me look at my own life and wonder how much “progress” do I really need to make
It was mainstream then because of the very things that NASCAR killed on purpose while trying to cash out. I got into it in the late 1980s and was out of it around 2000 because by then they were already starting to go awry.
@@1234KeithB "Progress" has quickly become a vile word in most forms and meanings.
@@chrisramsey6725 I saw a business decision destroy a racing sport once, unlimited Hydroplane racing. Although the Turbine seemed to boost speeds, and the Lycoming T-55 was plentiful, the hardcore fans loved the roar of the Allison’s and Rolls Royce Merlin and Griffon piston engines. By the late 90s only a family run team from Evansville, Indiana ran a piston boat, and only occasionally. Spare parts for an Allison and Merlin/Griffin are hard to find, probably not cheap, but the T-55 was the long time power plant for the Chinook Helicopter and the Army still buys Chinooks. Glad Turbine power never caught on in auto racing.
I began weaning myself off of Nascar the year playoffs began (2004). I used to go to at least 6 NASCAR races a year, usually 8. Add the Indy 500 and Formula 1 (until the tire debacle). I watched all the rest of them on TV. My usual Sunday relaxation of grilling steaks and a few beers. Bristol was the hardest ticket to find but I had season tickets. I went to see rough racing with speeds low enough nobody was going to get killed, I thought, until I saw Michael Waltrip's wreck. Now I don't watch anymore at all.
When I was a lot younger, I was into NASCAR. I remember being a toddler and always talking about the races, my favorite drivers, etc. But something I remember a lot, was how much more I loved attending those short tracks. I went to one of the Daytona races, it must’ve been a feeder series race because I didn’t recognize as many names, and the crowd wasn’t to large. It was exciting to go watch a race for the first time, but it felt mostly normal, nothing over the top. But a few years later, we moved up north, and I was able to attend the Richmond and Martinsville races, which were so much more memorable for me. I loved watching the cars bump at Martinsville, it was exciting for young me. But, after that, NASCAR slowly became boring, and not as exciting. I watched fewer and fewer races, until I stopped watching Motorsport all together. It wasn’t till a few months ago when I relearned my love for Motorsport through Formula 1, but I still have trouble watching NASCAR 10+ years on. But, I know for a fact if NASCAR held more races at short tracks, I might just tune in some time.
Indycar is a very competitive motorsport. I started watching it in 2011 and have been enjoying it ever since.
F1 fans: "All the tracks are the same tilkedromes..."
Nascar: "FIRST TIME?!"
Welp.
Lol
Tilke has made bad tracks but he has made good tracks
Bahrain, Malaysia, Turkey and C.O.T.A are a few examples
But Geez you're right as an F1 fan I hate Sochi, Abu Dhabi and Shanghai 😕
@@klater5842 I'm a fan of pretty much every motorsport but i've noticed this trend in a lot of big motorsports lately using repetitive tracks.
@@klater5842 Its all about the tracks man. The 2022 regs will do nothing to help overtaking at the shitholes that are those tracks.
Robo? Is that you?
That's crazy to see how the mentality has reversed completely since the 90's. Hard to believe they were even saying those things about short tracks back then. Great video.
That's because Racing fans weren't but Nascar was that's why Nascar soon failed after the high point of Nascar was 05 because the shine wore off for the casual fan and older hard core fans felt stabbed in the back.l and stopped watching hence 75% audience is gone.
You can have all of the cookies, but if it all taste the same, why bother eatin em all?
Yeah, but _real_ cookies are actually good (except for the raisin ones); these tracks are not.
Awesome metaphor
If it's a real cookie, I don't care, so I'll eat it
Because cookies taste good
If they all tasted good, then that would be a different story. The problem is that only one of them tastes good, and sometimes another will have a good piece, like a big chocolate chunck that's all melted and good.
So when you only get a couple good bites, why wouldn't you keep that cookie, and throw out the rest?
Now I'm hungry...
7:15 - 7:30 D.W. saw it ALL COMING. I still watch Nascar I've been going to/watching races since the late 60's. NASCAR lost its way not taking care of its core audience and catering to an audience they hoped to attract. Folks that would listen on the radio, used their vacation time going to races, spent $$ on sponsors products, went to local tracks and just love racing. (Generalization) But few people that didn't "grow up" with grass roots racing will seldom become long term fans. The early 2000's proves that. Now the long term fans have been alienated and the lookey-lous are long gone and moved on. Just an ole race fans opinion.
Honestly, I’ve always wanted more road courses on the schedule. It’s been cool to see a couple new ones come into play during the craziness of this year
Dumb is making it so every round of the schedule takes place on nearly identical speedways.
Uninspired is asking for every speedway to be eliminated so we can end up in the same situation, just with short tracks.
The thinking fan's strat is to ask for variety. John Andretti was spot on. If every track is a speedway, then the speedways will be seen as boring. As unpopular as it might be to say, if every track was either like Bristol or like Martinsville, it'd be just as boring.
What NASCAR needs is an even spread - a mix of short tracks, speedways, steep banking, low banking, road courses, and weird freak circuits that don't fit into any one category neatly (ahem....DARLINGTON). The Eldora Truck Series races really opened my eyes to how much fun dirt racing is, and while I'm still a little iffy on its introduction to the Cup Series, it'd be a brilliant way to mix things up in a perfect world.
Variety is the spice of life. Anything less than a motley crew of extremely different racing circuits, both in shape and feel, will be a detriment to NASCAR.
Both style of tracks have their positives. Would I love to see more short tracks? Absolutely, who wouldn’t? In that same vain NASCAR needs to do something to fix intermediate track racing. In the early 2000’s gen 4 era the intermediate tracks put on some of the most interesting racing with some of the closest finishes. NASCAR needs to lose this mentality that low horsepower and high downforce is what makes good racing
That DW quote aged like fine wine.
Or like milk depending on how you look at it, considering that it came true.
@@hunterpro_1 Nascar aged like milk
NASCAR should go back to Milwaukee
As well as IndyCar!
Milwaukee is taking stands out so I don’t think that the owners have much hope left for the track.
@@landoflogic107 They only took a portion of it out. I believe it was the part that got built up in 03.
I never liked Milwaukee. It was a one groove track that didn't produce passing.
Didn't matter if it was Busch, Trucks, or IndyCar, the races were always boring to me.
I get the tradition, but Road America is way more exciting to me, and IndyCar found out you can't really do both.
Charlie Doyle I used to be one of those “more ovals!” People but I really like road courses now. Almost more than ovals. I think ovals need to stay, but I believe road courses provided more interesting competition and flavor.
Man I miss the 90s early 2000s nascar... It had a magical feel back then. Sadly those days are long gone, but at least we have the memories. I will never forget going to my first Nascar race at Bristol back in 1998, had a great time and will never forget that sweet smell of the leaded racing fuel they used back then. Not the ethanol based garbage they run now.
I think that while short tracks will become more popular I think that the focus and expansion will change towards road courses instead as they can usually fit more people and have more flexible attendance and seating options. Take for example tracks such as Lime Rock Park which actually has no seating and fans are encouraged to sit wherever they like and move around as they please, I think this will be very popular with fans who want to see races in many ways as they can. In addition to this road, courses encourage passing and close racing with a low downforce high horsepower package which emphasizes both acceleration and reliance on mechanical grip allowing for many overtake opportunities. As you can currently see at Watkins Glen drivers are now willing to try passing anywhere on the track due to the layout and characteristics of the car. With the advent of the sequential DSG that will be put into the new car and road racing style wheels, you can tell NASCAR is going to try and make road racing a new focus and make road racing as exciting as possible.
That sounds like great news, I'd love more road courses.
Man nascar at limerock would be chaos, I for one would love to see it
Road courses are cool, but let’s not do too much. Maybe like 2-3 more road courses so we’d have Sonoma, The Glen, Road America, The Roval, and maybe like COTA
I use to hate short tracks because my favorite driver Bill Elliott struggle on short tracks. Now I want more short tracks.
The announcement of Auto Club begin reconfigured into a 1/2mi short track is basically a declaration that the move towards bigger Intermidate ones was a mistake.
World Wide Technology Raceway, Iowa Speedway, Lucas Oil Raceway, Rockingham, Milwaukee Mile, etc
I wouldn't mind seeing another road course thrown in as well. But more shorts tracks are needed.
And here we are now this year!
I’m dying for more road courses and short tracks!😍🏁
The more of those, the less intermediates, the less 2 race dates a year, the better!
Lack of Variety was truely the reason NASCAR died.
4 Cookie Cutters (Chicago, Las Vegas, Kentucky, Kansas)
3 Quads (Charlotte, Atlanta, and Texas)
3
Lmao, you just made up like 3/4 of those categories.
@@generalkayoss7347 yup
The 1 mile tracks are completely different and that makes good racing at all 3 pheonis is a lopsided trioval with 3 wildly different turns, dover a concrete high banked fast 1 mile and loudin a flat grassroots track that you would see in the south on a weekend on steroids
IMO, your cookie cutters, quads, and two milers all fall in the same category. That's 9 tracks that essentially have no unique identity
@@Greenslime300 this further drivers the stereotype that we drive around in slightly different circles that you can't tell apart.
Who’s here after California got changed into a short track?
While they aren't going to transform every Intermidate into a short track places that need a repave in the near future like Chiacgoland and Atlanta could have a short track reconfiguration.
That was the one intermediate track we needed to keep. Geez
7:05 Darrell summed up present day NASCAR perfectly.
NASCAR's been trying to commit suicide for longer than I thought. They had a sport groing in popularity and decided the best thing to do was change everything about it in order to make it palatable for non-fans. Then the only thing that kept the sport on it's upward trend was Dale Earnhardt driving however he wanted and Jeff Gordon winning like crazy.
Severius84 It’ll come back. NASCAR is making moves slowly but surely to go back to short tracks and add more road courses. I have faith we’ll see the sport grow and change for the better in the next decade.
@@riffdane6459 I hope so too
The Fast Dane You better hope so and you also better hope in 2021 Stewart’s SRX Racing series shows Nascar what racing should be. Unlike you I don’t have faith Nascar is still headed in the wrong direction with bland tracks, points format, stage racing, and the atrocious aero package that makes the cookie cutter tracks and just racing even more boring in the sport. I hope you’re right but the problem isn’t just the tracks themselves it’s everything in the sport currently.
@@riffdane6459 I dont think pulling power from the motors and cranking up the downforce dial to 11 is bringing back any fans. NASCAR in that regard is going the wrong way. The cars need to have power, and need to heavily rely on driver input to be exciting.
This package that they have at 1.5 mile track and larger, is absolutely insufferable to watch. And many other fans and drivers agree that this package is straight garbage.
Bubba Smollett pretty much shoved the dagger in.
funny coming back to this now. In the 2.5 years since this video was released:
- Atlanta is now a superspeedway
- Texas lost its second points race and lost the All-Star Race to North Wilkesboro
- California is getting converted to a half-mile short track
- Chicagoland and Kentucky are no longer in the sport
It's still sad to hear how north wilkesboro and rockingham were screwed like that. :(
Once you research the Ferko lawsuit, you find out it wasn't even worth it for Francis Ferko. He never received anything from SMI after the settlement; he lost his job; his son committed suicide; he and his wife failed to receive custody of their grandchild and divorced soon after.
A man lost his son, grandchild and wife while the NASCAR community lost one of its favorite tracks because the said man wanted a second race at a mediocre, overpriced, disaster of a racetrack.
@@kylefunderburk4194 so, pretty much, karma **shrug**
Great video! In reference to DW's comments about NASCAR needing to give back instead of take, take, take away from the fans, man, he sure nailed that on the head. NASCAR took away tracks like Rockingham, North Wilkesboro, ruined Bristol, took away a legitimate championship points format, did their best to take away Darlington's traditional race dates, and frankly, took away the legitimacy of the entire sport of stock car racing. I cashed out after Rusty Wallace retired at the end of 2004 and haven't returned as a full-time fan. This broke my heart because I really enjoy stock car racing, along with many other forms of racing. I gotta give credit to Tony Stewart and the crew with the SRX Series to draw me back in. I wasn't upset with stock car racing, I was upset with NASCAR as a sanctioning body. Ever since going to the SRX race at Slinger, WI last year, I've made it a point to support our local short tracks and drivers.
Bowman Gray Stadium for me was one of the best short tracks NASCAR use to go to and would love to see a race there again
*Slapshoes has entered the chat* 👌
It's always fun. Is it only a quarter of a mile?
It's more like a baby short track lol
@@TheShiftersMusic just means more rubbing action ;)
I like Rockingham Track. I want for his returning. The 1 and 1/2 cookie tracks are booring.
Growing up in Winston Salem in the 2000's I went to Bowman Gray every weekend but only ever knew NASCAR in the cookie cutter era. It was just a given to me and my school friends back then that NASCAR was alright, I loved watching Jeff Gordon, but it would never be half as exciting as Bowman Gray. These days I still go to Bowman Gray every year, can't tell you the last time I watched a NASCAR race.
Someone needs to build a new track that’s exactly like the old Nazareth Speedway. One of the best action tracks ever
How about only going to each track once a season UNLESS that track has a second configuration? This would mean if Daytona and Talladega want to keep their second dates, they'd have to use the road courses. And why doesn't the Cup series go to Sebring or Lime Rock or Road America? The biggest series should be on the best and most historic tracks. And yeah, more short tracks.
It'll never happen. NASCAR/ISC owns 12 tracks: Auto Club, Chicagoland, Darlington, Daytona, Homstead, Kansas, Martinsville, Michigan, Phoenix, Richmond, Talladega, Watkins Glen. In the original 2020 schedule, these tracks were scheduled to host 19 of the 36 races. That's roughly 53% of the schedule. If you think NASCAR would give up even one of those races, you're crazy. They're already loosing buckets of money with more seats empty then full no matter where they go - let alone now when there are no fans (or only very few) in attendance - so giving up that revenue would only hurt them more.
Nascar at Lime Rock? Gtfoh hahahahaha
@@jsteel89 why not? Not like anyone's showing up to watch races anyways, maybe going to lime Rock would give them a chance to *build grandstands* once in a decade.
@@wyattroncin941 Its a terrible track for the cars
@@jsteel89 it's no different then other road courses, I'd love to see it
I think any unique track can be entertaining, and at any length. Phoenix, Darlington, and Pocono are some of my favorites, and for all of those, there’s truly nothing else like them Pon the schedule
Andretti's quote hit it on the head.
MORE short tracks!! I go to a local racetrack down in Connecticut, a .5 mile track. Small hometown track, action FAR superior to mainstream NASCAR. Sparks are flying, rubber is flying everywhere, and it's so exciting.
Definitely need more and more short tracks. Beating and banging is why we loved the sport. Last nights all star race at Bristol was disappointing. The open was great, but the Hendrick, SHR, Penske, Gibbs friendly parade is getting old.
Another great video Brock. I consider myself a racing historian during the 1990s to present and learn some new things watching this video. Again, great video.
I know it will never be back. But growing up one of my favorite tracks to watch was always Rockingham.
I’m just happy to see more wild and wacky road course roval concepts. Charlotte is a blast to drive on.
I saw "Countdown to Greed" at 12:35.
Nascar should start reconfiguring some of the cookie cutters into short tracks. While some could stay places that need to be repaved soon like Chicagoland and Kentucky could both be converted into 0.8-0.9mi d shaped short track.
Last I heard Chicagoland was being turned into industrial lots
@@Rikadyn NO it's not that was debunked MONTHS AGO what they did was sell a part of the land they owned that the track doesn't not occupy so it could be used for warehouses read more here www.theherald-news.com/2020/05/11/chicagoland-speedway-has-a-warehouse-plan/a28e75l/
@@shawnschaitel838 Too late. The land is already way too expensive for NASCAR top operate there.
that dismisses the lack of variety claims that drivers have made.
I want to see North Wilksboro back. I hope JR does something that isn't just for a video game. Even if it's ARCA or an All star race.
All I want is NASCAR's on the Nürburgring ok
The NASCAR Whelen Euro Series raced at Nürburgring back in 2014. It looks like they raced on some variant of the Südschleife.
Nordschleife then.
not possible
This actually affects me to this day when I see the schedule and notice a “cookie cutter” track is coming up...I don’t want to watch it.
I loved NASCAR as a kid, but around the 4th or 5th grade I actually stopped watching, so like 2003-2005. It got boring for me, but I always watched plate races, road courses, and Bristol.
Then the COT came along, and that was the end. Didn’t watch, and still don't really watch. IndyCar became way more exciting, and so I watched that every week it's on.
NASCAR leadership: we can't have aggressive short track racing because the cars are too expensive
The one hero in the boardroom: use cheaper cars
NASCAR leadership: *boots them out the window of the out of touch sky scraper*
Very admiral work sir, you answered decade's worth of questions..... I respect and appreciate your work ethic.
Chiacgoland and Kentucky, deisgned to generate a wheelbarrow of cash to appeal to a new market and fans for nascar, however just 2 decades later they're gone from the schedule and likely never brokeven due to the high pricetag to build them.
Wait a minute short tracks destroy cars. Have they seen talladega, Charlotte and Daytona. They have accidents called the big ones 😆...what a bs argument.
Short tracks do have beating and banging, but cars go slow enough that usually there is not much damage. There are notable exceptions, however, of cars getting torn up at short tracks though.
2020: more short tracks.
2022 Chevy: More cookies, no shorties
I'm not the largest NASCAR fan, but i find your videos to be very thought out and informative and i do agree we need more short tracks. The only races that i do watch and actually enjoy tend to be on Bristol or New Hampshire, both my favorite tracks as a kid when i would go see a race here and there. keep up the great work with these videos.
Ive just come across your channel and I'm about to binge on all of your videos.
And now sponsors demanded a race in the Collliseum.
For the love of god please nascar we need more short track races
nope, road course.
@@WALTERBROADDUS both really.
Nope Short Tracks - Not overkill of Road Courses
@@Rikadyn Short track racing is slow, one grove racing. 😴😴😴😴
@@JJA1987 We have enough short tracks. Real racing cars make right turns too.
As someone who only got into nascar in the mid 2000s this video was very educational good job brother 👍
Also, FANTASTIC video. I always wondered why this happened, and this clearly explained it. Well done!
No mile and a half track needs 2 races in a year and we need more short tracks and road courses
Yeah I get it, although honestly, second dates need to go.
road courses are terrible for nascar cars.
@@bestduckyrblx2944 what fucking races have you been watching
@@bestduckyrblx2944 ?????
Leave The 2 Dates for Daytona, Dega, Bristol, Richmond and Martinsville
Dang, so RUclips got NASCAR’d small tracks getting screwed by the platform from corporate sponsors.
Just like the small channels on RUclips.
It always happens in every single thing ever invented. Gluton ruins a good thing then people move on to something else. RUclips will fall to a competitor just like Myspace fell to Facebook and Facebook fell to Instagram.
toxic RUclipsrs have been eating away at NASCAR with their own breed of stupidity.
Very well done video. Learned a lot
Even though it was because of the Pandemic, the races on Daytona's Road Course were great
A Cup race at Iowa and either Road America or COTA
Damn the multiuse stadiums like RFK is a great comparison to cookie cutter stadiums.
I want to see on NASCAR’s schedule is 2 more Road Courses( Daytona Road Courses and circuit of the americas), 1 dirt track (Eldora Speedway), 2 more Short track (World Wide Technology Raceway at Gateway And Iowa Speedway)
well we got more. 4 new road courses (COTA, Daytona road course, Road America, and Indy), 1 new dirt track (Bristol), and Nashville returning to NASCAR.
Coming back after F1's street circuit surge (Vietnam, Jeddah, Baku, Miami, Vegas, possibly Qatar) makes this hit different.
I don’t get people who make this comparison cause it misses a point nascar left it home to chase national success. F1 is expanding its calendar while keeping the iconic tracks that have continued to be successful.
We need more short tracks, more horsepower, less downforce, more focus on mechanical grip, and narrower tires.
This is the truth. This slot car looking bullshit they call racing has got to go.
Cookie cutters suck, I wholeheartedly agree that we need more short track, and would it kill them to add a couple of more road courses? Bristol is my favorite track for NASCAR, and it's not even close, I look forward more to races there than Daytona or Indianapolis.
Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway (0.591 mi., 18 degrees of banking) would provide some great racing. Unfortunately from 2021 the Cup Series will hold a race at the 1.333 mi Nashville Superspeedway instead.
They can't race at Fairground, the track is not ready to hold races and it cost too much money to repair right now. The other one cost less to repair.
So, if people want Fairground, support the other Nashville race. If fan show, that would help them consider Fairgrounds
@@hypesion2223 idk what you are talking about by saying repair, because the track is in great shape. It's used very often by their short track series.
@@ThRifTeDmUsIc it's not cup series ready it needs remolding there hoping Nashville super speedway will convince the government and owners to pay for the fairgrounds
@@ThRifTeDmUsIc The facilities aren't up to Cup standards
@@ThRifTeDmUsIc The track needs renovations, mainly better walls, catchfencing, & better grandstands. The thing is, the city is building a new soccer stadium next to the track, and the track has been targeted by angry Karens for noise. However, they hosted the NASCAR banquet last year, & it had a great fan turnout. The interest is there for NASCAR in Nashville, they just need to prove it. That's why they're going to Nashville Superspeedway next year, to generate interest for the Fairgrounds
The hatred towards 1.5 mile tracks is somewhat understandable, however with the racing in 2022 I can say I like having a fair mix of short tracks and 1.5 milers, they have a mix of fast technical circuits like Charlotte and Kansas, along with beating and banging at Martinsville and Bristol, but would love to see at least 8-9 tracks under a mile on the schedule, and much shorter track deals so the schedule can be changed when necessary
Great insight. Thank you.
I would say yes, the tracks being bland is a problem but only PART of the problem.
The intermediate boom had the misfortune of happening at exactly the same time in the sport when crews and engineers all got really smart and all figured out aerodynamics more than ever before, and we ushered in the ugly CoT and then the Gen6 which has proven to be a "Cookie Cutter" car for the most part and is so over-engineered, and over-teched you've wound up with 40 car IROC races.
The tracks aren't the problem, the cars are.
They're over-engineered, and frankly still trash. It's like - rooms full of engineers have never heard the word "downforce" before.
They need a right hand turn in an "oval"
Used to have one at Trenton
We're still there: more short tracks and less 1.5 mile tracks. Shame to see Wilkesboro and Nazareth in that condition 😪
I started watching racing in the late 90s. This is the first I've heard of the fans saying they didn't like short track racing around 1990. Very interesting.
I started watching/attending races as a little kid in the 70s and we would drive down from Canada to go the short tracks like Martinsville, Bristol,Hickory and North Wilkesboro. We raced up here north of the border and back then guys like Bobby Allison would come up and race our local tracks like Cayuga Speedway on an off weekend. I don't remember anyone disliking short tracks but I knew a few who found Michigan to be a boring race to attend.
We need a third superspeedway lol
Well....Nashville is returning, its kinda a superspeedway.
I mean… We have Pocono
If only someone could eat those cookie-cutters up...
I'll go now
Wow...Waltrip at @7:20.
It's like he had a crystal ball.
It's crazy how many people used to come to a race! We then went from people making fun of the stands to being happy if just 1000 people are even allowed in!
NASCAR needs to drop Vegas all together... There's no excitement there, the races are boring, even the fans don't want to go to the desert (See first cup playoff race) and replace it with a short track (Myrtle Beach, Hickory, Winchester or even The Springfield Mile would work)
Myrtle Beach is dead~ It's being demolished soon~
@@Buttermilkjug XD
Myrtle Beach should have been improved, but the track is great! Unfortunately it is on deaths door. www.jayski.com/2020/07/15/myrtle-beach-speedway-sold-to-be-turned-into-commercial-housing-development/
That makes zero sense. Great town, good track, and weather sucks in February on the East coast.
TheMrtgamer no, we need to replace homestead, that track has been garbage since 2018
7:07 That is why I love DW. I hope he retired because he wanted too.....The more I think about it the more I worry they forced him to.
Thank you for a very informative and interesting video!
And to answer your question Mt Panorama Bathurst down here in Australia
Well made video. Hopefully someday we'll get cup series to Iowa and even maybe back to Rockingham and North Wilkesboro
I been saying for a while NASCAR needs to get back to its roots. This corporate empire has lead the sport to its peak. Covid and now the political landscape in my opinion will cause CEO’s to do what CEO’s do when bankruptcy seems imminent. They will step down and the new owner will have 1 goal. To liquidate as much as possible. We can all see the push from this new normal that will not let up on NASCAR due to perception that the sport itself is as racist as the confederate flag. On this path they are going its only a matter of time.
I say scale the whole thing back to its core market focusing on the short tracks of the southeast. Limited dates in different regions. Watkins Glen, Sonoma, maybe Chicago, Louden, Pocono... NASCAR is in a bubble and it’s about to pop
NASCAR going back to its roots means it would use a real car not a fiberglass body with stickers
Real cars have working lights, windshield wipers
@@IIGrayfoxII It's not possible due to the safety regulations today.
@@TheOwl22 Other series use a real body with real lights.
Look at any touring car series
@@IIGrayfoxII truth is that with NASCAR, there seems to be no room for that due to the numerous deaths that have occurred with these real body cars.
@@TheOwl22 most likely because rules allow you to spin other cars
So what if you get into lap traffic on lap one? Let’s see if you really are the best drivers in the world as you claim.
Excellent video. This is my biggest beef with NASCAR. The only 1.5 mile races I watch is Charlotte and maybe Atlanta. I don't really bother with the others.
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Maybe run on short tracks in heat races? Imagine the cup cars at South Boston?
What killed crackcar for me is them dropping a yellow flag every time a hotdog wrapper flew on to the track. They would not let the guy run more than 5 laps with out a yellow flag. And i call B.S. on the 34 car field at Martinsville, I remember 43 cars field there for years.
NASCAR needs to add at least one dirt track to their schedule to have even a prayer of recovery.
Eldora exist. If for Truck though, the Cup are never going to race on dirt.
@@hypesion2223 Why not? I think they could. They run the ARCA cars on the Las Vegas dirt track. I love that truck race, what about you?
@@SS-kz7td Didn't know that they run Arca at dirt tracks. I haven't watch a race of Trucks at Eldora, but will someday. I want to watch Truck races, so that could be a start.
And the cup team wouldn't want to race on dirt I think.
@@hypesion2223 You can watch the races on RUclips, they are fun... different. You may be right, but I hope someday they will run a dirt track
@@SS-kz7td Well, there's the new "Iroc" series created by Stewart and Ray, crew chief for Jeff Gordon. They want to race at dirt track and road courses, don't remember if oval are mentions. So, no cup car, but their drivers at least.
More cookie cutters and corporate dictating!
Fantastic video that highlights the warnings against cookie cutter tracks were right there from the beginning and were ignored much to the detriment of the sport.
Awesome video man
NASCAR ruined everything; they even ruined truck racing this season... 🤷🏼♂️ Going back to drag racing where the fastest car with the best driver that day wins and nobody throws a caution cause their guy is a bit behind
The truck series is great this year
This video is amazing! Great video
Quote: We didnt want to see crashes, so we close a short track to build an intermediate track. First two Races at the new track: More wrecks than in history of north wilk.
I would love to see the season equally split between short track, super speedway, road course, and mile and a half.
The perfect balance