I did the same to my hw77k, same thing but different, it didn't settle down until after a couple of tins of pellets were put through it now it's brilliant, 😁👍
Really nice looking gun that, think I’ll look out for one of those when I get up and about and can afford, and as for the kit I’m sure you’ll find the issue normally something silly, good vid and clear description. Good vid old lad
Got the TBT maxi pro kit in my hw97 too. Transforms the gun! I found it shoots sweeter without the short stroke as too much pre-load on standard spring. I am also running a custom seals air seal 👍🙂
the difference between waiting to shoot and shooting straight away indicates the piston seal heating up and cooling down altering the friction via the seal expanding and contracting ,, its probably a bit tight and will run itself in , then the consistency will improve , great vid cheers for sharing
Hi Shane, on my hw97 I used the normal tbt kit, just the spring guide, top hat and bum-slide tbt, original 16j spring and it was basically the same but softer, in the sitting position, 25m makes groups of 14mm, jsb 8.44, 25m makes groups of 14mm, jsb 8.44, for these weapons it has to be a normal thing as you know,Shane experience a more comfortable shooting position,cheers.
Thanks for the comment buddy , my shooting position wasn’t to bad to be honest looks worse than it was , next video is my np02 , same distance etc , to see how that compares to the 97 , you take care buddy Shane
I use FALCON Accuracy plus pellets give them a try it'll be like a new gun. I wouldn't use anything else. I have tried all sorts and these are the one's for me.
The cocking lever on my out the box 77k had made a burr in comptube and nicked the piston head I fitted a tbt kit straight away cleaned the burrs out of comp tube and changed the piston head and it's at 12 ft lbs with a 6fps spread over 10 shots what a transformation. Whats the rifle like now. Cheers 👍
My HW 99s fitted with a tbt kit is brilliant.only 5 fps spread over 25 shots using its favourite diet of AirArms diabolo field in .22cal. (5.52 mm).Tiny groups at 35 yards ,low recoil & no spring twang at all. When you find your guns fave pellets,stick with them is my advice.
Thanks for the reply , but the barrel loved the AA pellets , before the new drop in kit , and shoots bang on when the power is stable , but the odd shot for what ever reason is falling to 9.5 ft lbs from 11.2 and this in my opinion is going to reflect the grouping of the pellet but , I usually try what I have at hand , at the min I have 6 different brands and tried them all , but we will see in the future , thanks for your comment Shane
Your groupings arnt too bad, I know what you mean though, all within an inch is preferable. I've got 99 and pretty pleased, liked the idea of one of these in the future but for twice the price, it's a bit disappointing. Power shouldn't fluctuate that much. Maybe worth the few quid more and go aa tx200. For nearly £500 tuning shouldn't be needed at all in my mind.
I think that is very good shooting at 27 yards considering it a springer and not a great bench rest platform. I could not shoot my Diana Mod 34 or my Diana 359 mag any better back in the day. Glad I found your channel. I will add it to my list and I will be checking it out.
It sounds like you could have also mixed up your pellet weights! I have this same gun. It's brilliant if a bit heavy. The HW98 is my fave gun which I use for HFT. Looking to add a TBT short stroke extension to lessen the recoil.
The only genuine method of short stroking a spring piston air rifle is to fit an extended central piston rod. By fitting a piston extention results an initial very difficult cocking stroke.
Hi Shane, something not right. My 97 is in .22 and over 20 shots has max spread of 7 fps with AA Diabolo field. I am not a great shot but my combo returns 20mm groups at 30 yards consistently. Hope you get it sorted.
ive been told it probably wont settle down till its done a thousand shots, we will see soon im about 300 shots to go and will stick it on the chrony again thanks shane
I had a HW97KT and could not get on with it, it was very inconsistent and not accurate, put a Tuning kit in it and still the same, I ended up getting rid of the damn thing and bought a 30 year old MK1 HW90 Gas Ram WOW what a amazing gun the HW90 Gas Ram is compared to the HW97KT, much more accurate and only 3 FPS spread over 10 shots on the chrono where as with the 97 the spread varied from 20 FPS spread to 50FPS! I am hitting targets at 70 meters consistently with the HW90 its a amazingly accurate break barrel air rifle.
Don’t no what was going on there buddy , wonder if there was a manufacturing fault somewhere internally? My 97 has settled nicely after around 500 shots, I shot a few shots through a friends chrony a few days ago, a the rifle range and my 97 was very consistent no more than 6 FPS over 7 shots at 11.6 ft lbs , glad you got the weihrauch excellence in the end with your break barrel , cheers buddy Shane
There seems to be a lot of choice of tuning kits out there , enough to get you scratching your head , as to what you choose , gonna go down the piston glided route next I think , possibly Paul short , or Mr Gibney ,, cheers for the comment Shane
@@shaneweightman hi Shane if your looking at maybe getting a better tune or kit for your hw97 you could talk too lyndon @ ARC tuning on 07947 230549 he,s a cracking bloke and he know his stuff especially springers and he's also very good friend with Steve pope @ v Mach tuning so you'll be in good hands and he'll point you in the right direction the ultimate kit for the hw97 is the v Mach v glide kit it's a master piece of engineering by Steve pope everything running on delrin BUT I'm not sure if Steve is still making them as there around the £250 mark but worth every penny if you speak with lyndon on the number I gave you above he'll definitely tell you if Steve still make those kits. all the best mate. Phill
Don’t worry to much about FPS spread unless u shoot at long ranges, I understand tho it’s very frustrating to see the spread, possibly some bad pellets. How tight was your piston seal in the comp tube?
im not sure how tight it was to be honnest , it seemed a tight unrestricted fit, but ive ordered some premium pellets individually sized and weighed, will shoot a few of those through the chrony and see what results i get now the gun has had around 420 shots through it, and make another video, thanks for your comment Shane
I have two HW97k. One in. 177 , the other in .22. They both shoot 11.1-11.2 ft lb with single figure fps spread. They are as they left the factory. I use JSB exact in the .177 and JSB express in the .22. Both will group under a 5p at 35 yards. The problem with your rifle sounds like a faulty spring, as the power shouldn't change that much over time.
Yes the spring comes in the kit , and the nylon guides are a good tight fit in the new spring but abit loose in the original , so used the provided new one cheers shane
Tbt buddy but it has settled down nicely now , will do a video soon , the gun has been brilliant , of late since it’s had around 500 shots through it , very consistent in my mates chrony last wk , 6 FPS difference over 8 shots , shooting at 11.6 ft lb. ,, cheers Shane
@@shaneweightman cheers mate I'd love to see the video. I've got a UK Spect Titan going in mine with a lightened piston to try along with short stroke. Missing some of the key magic details that's tuners won't give over and just chucking some basic physics and engineering into the mix and lots of shooting and chrono work... looking forward to video mate.
I was getting 5p groups with the HW95K using Air Arms, until I started putting JSB exact through the barrel. JSB were poor. After using the JSB the Air Arms were far less accurate and didn't group. I found they really don't like each other. I cleaned the barrel and the Air Arms accuracy returned. 5p groups at 18mtrs (59ft) It may be the same case with the barrel on your 97K mate.
If your fps spread is that much, I would consider getting a new spring. That lange fps range is not normal. In my hw97k with the original parts, I have a spread of max 7fps. I noticed that you hold pellets between your lips before loading them in the gun. Are you aware what led is an what it does to your body?
I had similar inconsistencies with my later (2012) HW77, I put ten felt cleaning wad pellets through,first five I sprayed with car brake cleaner,that sorted it.
@@shaneweightman I am very sorry to hear about your Government Restrictions on simple Air Guns. I been using Slugs in the Weihraugh HW97 with wonderful results.
If you watched the video , the gun was making a scraping sound on loading , so gave the impression it had a broken spring , hence the reason why I bought the drop in kit ,, however turns out it shot smooth and better than it did before ,, give my video a thumbs down and don’t watch any more , is my advice 🎉thanks shane 😂
Yes buddy right next to the m69 , that runs from Coventry to Leicestershire, I usually turn the Audio on the camera nr the target down low , else it would be much worse , like a weird white noise , and I try my best to filter as much out in my editing software, It’s harder at gun clubs , cos people are talking loud , talking crap , sometimes swearing and then there’s music played at a couple , then you get strikes for copyright from RUclips, I sometimes have to ask my self if it’s worth the hassle , after editing for around at least 3 hrs every video , to make no money , it seems the only ones who really prosper are the gun shops , and gun manufacturers, if there guns get good reviews , and people want to buy them , but the end of my reviews won’t be that far away , I guess ,, cheers shane
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i have all the origional parts in a box ,, and can put back to standard in 20 mins, first of all ,,not sure if you watched the complete video but my motto in life is ,, if it aint broke dont fix it,,,it was making a bad grating on cocking and leaving marks inside the breach, so i ordered the drop in kit, expecting a broken spring, but turns out it was rusty particals from a piston weight ,, washer,, but i havent altered or defaced the gun , and one day in the future
Worst waste of money I did was purchasing a HW97KT, it was noisy, horrible twang and vibration through the gun, 50 FPS SPREAD over 10 shot of the chrono and inaccurate! Absolute rubbish.
Thanks for your concern , there’s a row of conifer bushes around 10 ft behind the target , with 3 inch trunks , take it you must think I’m stupid ,,, not to worry will delete your comments in future
Best gun i ever bought the HW 97 in 22. Stacks pellets at 30 yds. No twang. 6 fps difference
and full power FAC . Amazing quality air rifle.
I’m having a similar experience with mine.
I did the same to my hw77k, same thing but different, it didn't settle down until after a couple of tins of pellets were put through it now it's brilliant, 😁👍
Yes it was like a different gun in every way , thanks shane
Really nice looking gun that, think I’ll look out for one of those when I get up and about and can afford, and as for the kit I’m sure you’ll find the issue normally something silly, good vid and clear description. Good vid old lad
Got the TBT maxi pro kit in my hw97 too. Transforms the gun! I found it shoots sweeter without the short stroke as too much pre-load on standard spring. I am also running a custom seals air seal 👍🙂
Thanks for the reply buddy , I had a lot of preload on the spring that was supplied , but luckily I didn’t have to remove any coils , take care Shane
Seen your name on comments for a while now, good to see the face behind the comments, good little channel, like your range
the difference between waiting to shoot and shooting straight away indicates the piston seal heating up and cooling down altering the friction via the seal expanding and contracting ,, its probably a bit tight and will run itself in , then the consistency will improve , great vid cheers for sharing
thanks f your uploads, very good
Hi Shane, on my hw97 I used the normal tbt kit, just the spring guide, top hat and bum-slide tbt, original 16j spring and it was basically the same but softer, in the sitting position, 25m makes groups of 14mm, jsb 8.44, 25m makes groups of 14mm, jsb 8.44, for these weapons it has to be a normal thing as you know,Shane experience a more comfortable shooting position,cheers.
Thanks for the comment buddy , my shooting position wasn’t to bad to be honest looks worse than it was , next video is my np02 , same distance etc , to see how that compares to the 97 , you take care buddy Shane
I use FALCON Accuracy plus pellets give them a try it'll be like a new gun. I wouldn't use anything else. I have tried all sorts and these are the one's for me.
Nice video, thanks for doing it.
Dave uk.
Thanks Dave
The best springer money can buy. I own two of them. PCP accuracy if you know how to shoot them.
You are absolutely correct sir.....I've got the same gun but normal stock...found the trigger pull is the answer
Possibly a bit of diesling going on Shane. Degrease and lightly relube in the right places. Obviously check piston and breach seal too.
The cocking lever on my out the box 77k had made a burr in comptube and nicked the piston head I fitted a tbt kit straight away cleaned the burrs out of comp tube and changed the piston head and it's at 12 ft lbs with a 6fps spread over 10 shots what a transformation. Whats the rifle like now. Cheers 👍
Tbt kit transformed my 97 , and in future all my spring guns will have them fitted , thanks shane
My HW 99s fitted with a tbt kit is brilliant.only 5 fps spread over 25 shots using its favourite diet of AirArms diabolo field in .22cal. (5.52 mm).Tiny groups at 35 yards ,low recoil & no spring twang at all. When you find your guns fave pellets,stick with them is my advice.
Thanks for the reply , but the barrel loved the AA pellets , before the new drop in kit , and shoots bang on when the power is stable , but the odd shot for what ever reason is falling to 9.5 ft lbs from 11.2 and this in my opinion is going to reflect the grouping of the pellet but , I usually try what I have at hand , at the min I have 6 different brands and tried them all , but we will see in the future , thanks for your comment Shane
Oh and it was very consistent on the original weihrauch spring , with up to 9 FPS over ten shots
@@shaneweightman Weird mate. Are the piston & breech seals good? Its not like a Weihrauch to be like that.[
@@TheFoxio not looked at the breach seal ,, will check that ,, but the piston seal was good cheers shane
Your groupings arnt too bad, I know what you mean though, all within an inch is preferable. I've got 99 and pretty pleased, liked the idea of one of these in the future but for twice the price, it's a bit disappointing. Power shouldn't fluctuate that much. Maybe worth the few quid more and go aa tx200. For nearly £500 tuning shouldn't be needed at all in my mind.
I think that is very good shooting at 27 yards considering it a springer and not a great bench rest platform. I could not shoot my Diana Mod 34 or my Diana 359 mag any better back in the day. Glad I found your channel. I will add it to my list and I will be checking it out.
Many thanks Aaron
had one too...same problems. on another note ,stock fac spring broke after 500 shots w 8.5gr pellets. disappointed .
It sounds like you could have also mixed up your pellet weights! I have this same gun. It's brilliant if a bit heavy. The HW98 is my fave gun which I use for HFT. Looking to add a TBT short stroke extension to lessen the recoil.
The only genuine method of short stroking a spring piston air rifle is to fit an extended central piston rod. By fitting a piston extention results an initial very difficult cocking stroke.
Hi Shane, something not right. My 97 is in .22 and over 20 shots has max spread of 7 fps with AA Diabolo field. I am not a great shot but my combo returns 20mm groups at 30 yards consistently. Hope you get it sorted.
ive been told it probably wont settle down till its done a thousand shots, we will see soon im about 300 shots to go and will stick it on the chrony again thanks shane
I had a HW97KT and could not get on with it, it was very inconsistent and not accurate, put a Tuning kit in it and still the same, I ended up getting rid of the damn thing and bought a 30 year old MK1 HW90 Gas Ram WOW what a amazing gun the HW90 Gas Ram is compared to the HW97KT, much more accurate and only 3 FPS spread over 10 shots on the chrono where as with the 97 the spread varied from 20 FPS spread to 50FPS! I am hitting targets at 70 meters consistently with the HW90 its a amazingly accurate break barrel air rifle.
Don’t no what was going on there buddy , wonder if there was a manufacturing fault somewhere internally? My 97 has settled nicely after around 500 shots, I shot a few shots through a friends chrony a few days ago, a the rifle range and my 97 was very consistent no more than 6 FPS over 7 shots at 11.6 ft lbs , glad you got the weihrauch excellence in the end with your break barrel , cheers buddy Shane
If people don't understand the workings of a 97, please don't buy one. You will only end up blaming the rifle.
Hi Shane you should have gone for a Welsh Willy kit far superior had 1 in my 97 it produced 11.8ft lb with a 7 fps spread over 25 shots
There seems to be a lot of choice of tuning kits out there , enough to get you scratching your head , as to what you choose , gonna go down the piston glided route next I think , possibly Paul short , or Mr Gibney ,, cheers for the comment Shane
@@shaneweightman hi Shane if your looking at maybe getting a better tune or kit for your hw97 you could talk too lyndon @ ARC tuning on 07947 230549 he,s a cracking bloke and he know his stuff especially springers and he's also very good friend with Steve pope @ v Mach tuning so you'll be in good hands and he'll point you in the right direction the ultimate kit for the hw97 is the v Mach v glide kit it's a master piece of engineering by Steve pope everything running on delrin BUT I'm not sure if Steve is still making them as there around the £250 mark but worth every penny if you speak with lyndon on the number I gave you above he'll definitely tell you if Steve still make those kits. all the best mate. Phill
Don’t worry to much about FPS spread unless u shoot at long ranges, I understand tho it’s very frustrating to see the spread, possibly some bad pellets.
How tight was your piston seal in the comp tube?
im not sure how tight it was to be honnest , it seemed a tight unrestricted fit, but ive ordered some premium pellets individually sized and weighed, will shoot a few of those through the chrony and see what results i get now the gun has had around 420 shots through it, and make another video, thanks for your comment Shane
How long did you own your 97.
I have two HW97k. One in. 177 , the other in .22. They both shoot 11.1-11.2 ft lb with single figure fps spread. They are as they left the factory. I use JSB exact in the .177 and JSB express in the .22. Both will group under a 5p at 35 yards.
The problem with your rifle sounds like a faulty spring, as the power shouldn't change that much over time.
Sorted now with tbt tuning kit , thanks for the comment Shane
Interesting mate. I own the exact same rifle. I take it the kit you fitted included a different spring? As in mom standard HW97?
Yes the spring comes in the kit , and the nylon guides are a good tight fit in the new spring but abit loose in the original , so used the provided new one cheers shane
Damaged piston seal mate?
Will take to pieces again after Christmas and check , was ok 3 wks ago when I fitted the drop in kit , thanks Shane
Hey Shane, what spring did you use in the gun that was inconsistent? Cheers mate.
Tbt buddy but it has settled down nicely now , will do a video soon , the gun has been brilliant , of late since it’s had around 500 shots through it , very consistent in my mates chrony last wk , 6 FPS difference over 8 shots , shooting at 11.6 ft lb. ,, cheers Shane
@@shaneweightman cheers mate I'd love to see the video. I've got a UK Spect Titan going in mine with a lightened piston to try along with short stroke. Missing some of the key magic details that's tuners won't give over and just chucking some basic physics and engineering into the mix and lots of shooting and chrono work... looking forward to video mate.
I was getting 5p groups with the HW95K using Air Arms, until I started putting JSB exact through the barrel. JSB were poor. After using the JSB the Air Arms were far less accurate and didn't group. I found they really don't like each other. I cleaned the barrel and the Air Arms accuracy returned. 5p groups at 18mtrs (59ft) It may be the same case with the barrel on your 97K mate.
Air Arms pellets are rebranded JSBs.
Check head size of the pellets, and pellet weights.
@@Patrick-857 They use their own Dies, and results vary with both.
If your fps spread is that much, I would consider getting a new spring. That lange fps range is not normal. In my hw97k with the original parts, I have a spread of max 7fps.
I noticed that you hold pellets between your lips before loading them in the gun. Are you aware what led is an what it does to your body?
Terrible habit. Such stupidity that only airguns seem to attract.
My spring guns hate been rested they shoot better if they are on my hand even sat down using my elbow the fore end grip is the key..
Hi Steve, what material did you have inside the pellet trap I take is for sound deadening nice vlog bud.
I usually cut a square of packing foam, or rubber , makes things quiet till it gets a hole blown through it , cheers Shane
Oh and it doesn’t matter , I’ve been called worse , my Name is Shane LOL
@@shaneweightman oops sorry SHANE.
Rat works,Welsh willy,Sandwell field sports are very good did you have a hw 99s .
Yes Nigel , have you not looked through my vids , you will see the brand new one I bought and sold , ? Cheers shane
Have u tryd giving the barrel a clean
Yes , clean all the barrels now on all my guns , but only when needed , cheers Shane
I had similar inconsistencies with my later (2012) HW77, I put ten felt cleaning wad pellets through,first five I sprayed with car brake cleaner,that sorted it.
Why don’t you try putting the original spring back in with the rest of the TBT kit?
Got none of the tbt kit left buddy , only the standard hw97 spring
Were you shooting Pellets or Slugs ?
Pellets ,, never bought or shot slugs , we are limited to 12 ft lbs here in the uk 🇬🇧, think slugs would be to heavy ,, cheers Shane
@@shaneweightman I am very sorry to hear about your Government Restrictions on simple Air Guns. I been using Slugs in the Weihraugh HW97 with wonderful results.
Have you tried a new breach seal
No buddy , thanks for the comment Shane
Have you ever worked on a HW57?
No buddy , only owned 2 weihrauch spring guns , a 99s and this hw97 cheers Shane
You'd probably have better grouping if you rested the rifle stock on your hand by resting it on your bench rest the rifle can't move when recoil buddy
Rifle with have better movement I ment mate
change the breach seal
not bad , I see the problem...Your left handed lol
It’s more than likely, the piston seal is to tight..
Shocking grouping for a HW97, definitely something not right with that rifle.
Why on earth would you alter a perfectly good gun by putting a load of rubbish inside it ???
If you watched the video , the gun was making a scraping sound on loading , so gave the impression it had a broken spring , hence the reason why I bought the drop in kit ,, however turns out it shot smooth and better than it did before ,, give my video a thumbs down and don’t watch any more , is my advice 🎉thanks shane 😂
What the noise in rhe background are you near a motorway ?
Yes buddy right next to the m69 , that runs from Coventry to Leicestershire, I usually turn the Audio on the camera nr the target down low , else it would be much worse , like a weird white noise , and I try my best to filter as much out in my editing software, It’s harder at gun clubs , cos people are talking loud , talking crap , sometimes swearing and then there’s music played at a couple , then you get strikes for copyright from RUclips, I sometimes have to ask my self if it’s worth the hassle , after editing for around at least 3 hrs every video , to make no money , it seems the only ones who really prosper are the gun shops , and gun manufacturers, if there guns get good reviews , and people want to buy them , but the end of my reviews won’t be that far away , I guess ,, cheers shane
Something seriously wrong there.
John 3.16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
You have ruined one of the bests springers on the market 😡😡
i have all the origional parts in a box ,, and can put back to standard in 20 mins, first of all ,,not sure if you watched the complete video but my motto in life is ,, if it aint broke dont fix it,,,it was making a bad grating on cocking and leaving marks inside the breach, so i ordered the drop in kit, expecting a broken spring, but turns out it was rusty particals from a piston weight ,, washer,, but i havent altered or defaced the gun , and one day in the future
it will be back to its origional self ,,, thanks shane
Worst waste of money I did was purchasing a HW97KT, it was noisy, horrible twang and vibration through the gun, 50 FPS SPREAD over 10 shot of the chrono and inaccurate! Absolute rubbish.
@@ManiacInTheShed ive got same! So heavy compared with HW 99S, which is a dream to shoot.
Best gun i ever bought the HW 97 in 22. Stacks pellets at 30 yds. No twang. 6 fps difference
and full power FAC . Amazing quality air rifle.
Back stop's not too good?
Thanks for your concern , there’s a row of conifer bushes around 10 ft behind the target , with 3 inch trunks , take it you must think I’m stupid ,,, not to worry will delete your comments in future