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Also she's no longer going to be "active" on twitter anymore since "I don’t feel this is the right place for me anymore" aka she's running cause people held her accountable.
It's nauseating when people claim to be caring and empathetic as they intimidate, gaslight, and manipulate their victims. You're not empathetic, you're narcissistic.
@@JustAPerson633They will only do that if you threaten them and blackmail them falsely. Especially for a fact this Vtuber did and expect things for free? Get lost man. Not to mention pressure? Artists deserve the credit and rest for the work they do. And you are acting like a entitled individual who don't deserve a commission smh.
@@JustAPerson633Treat how you want to be treated. I met several Artists and they are very kind. Especially if we pay for them and not scam them. Nor wanting to paint them in a bad light for no good reason other than for clout or personal reasons. Like I am sorry if I am on the 'villain' side here but we all know who is the true villain of this story. Even someone with a low IQ knows who it is.
@@JustAPerson633 She's not gonna fuck you dude. Stop covering for a narcissistic, sociopath who commited the crime of extortion towards an innocent artist. You're making yourself look pathetic by blaming the victim.
"Hey Mommy I AM famous!" Then immediately backpedals to "No Mommy I swear I am not infamous for this! Misunderstanding!" These Vtubers should be called out and all the more punished for their actions.
This isn't the first time Trua has done this (social predation). The way she manipulated the artist shows that she's experienced in using social clout to bully others. She apparently didn't understand the limitations of her high-school level tactics in a professional setting.
She even gaslit me when I defended her from the vile threats. Even I am disgusted with Trua but threats and saying awful things isn't the way to go about it. I ended up cutting all ties with her. I knew her IRL because she goes to a convention I go to yearly so that is how I know Trua. I even left her Discord server and I was a pretty big part of it too.
REV, Thank you for covering and spreading the word out! What Trua doing is disgusting. Especially the people giving her slack or defending Trua for this situation. (Despite all the evidence against Trua) It's ironic that Trua says "I don't like """drama""" girl" and agrees with the generalization of "Channels who cover ""drama"" are terrible" meanwhile she's doing terrible stuff behind the scenes. Really makes you think people like Trua saying stuff like this have something to hide.
She doesn't like drama because she's the cause of it. She wants the be the great grand wizard but she's just an idiot pressing buttons hiding behind a curtain
@@CatBoxGMZ its usually that the people who scream about problems are guilty of them themselv, i remember a photo of miley cyrus and her dad just hugging, and everybody was screaming pedophile, i seen the photo and though, thats completely normal family behavior, if they think its pedophile its only in their eyes. so yeah if pple scream about something alot its mostly because they guilty of it themselv.
I am not defending her. I was only against the people sending her threats but what caused me to cut ties with her is I saw all the evidence and she gaslit me because I was calling out the ones sending her threats...so I saw right then and there that she isn't the woman I knew before VTubing was a thing since I met her at a convention I go to yearly....so I was one of her biggest supporters and even I cut ties with her. I am heartbroken by all this
@@CatBoxGMZ She even said to me that she was wanting to collab with me and I got ghosted and she collabed with other people...and I knew her before VTubing was a thing so...yeah this hurts and I cut ties with her completely and now I am left heartbroken from this whole mess
Let's also not ignore the fact that the artist had health problems and needed to do rush comms in order to pay off the medical debts, and probably the biggest red flag for me, the amount of changes that Trua wanted throughout the process. It was absolutely ridiculous and I know a lot of people who would've told her just no or that they're cancelling because of that alone, like jfc.
She doesn't. She knows she got the deranged lunatic viewers backing her. Her income hasn't been hit despite this revelation. She's just leaving X to cool off and then pretend nothing happens to try and grow more base but she already has the deranged lunatics so she's set. She will do this again and a bit more sneaky.
There's no need. Middlemen causes price hike. People learning how to fking read TOS would be the solution and not hiring people if they don't like the TOS/their position in the que@@Bos_Meong
It didn't. Let's face it, she was nearly 60k when Rev checked on her then, and she's probably hit that now, even if she lost a few followers due to this. This was premeditated from the start, she leveraged being too big to fail, and although the artist really put her on the ropes by airing her dirty laundry with a IRS-approved level of receipts, she was right. The best I can hope for is that every artist she works with from now on * gets their payment upfront in full * gets a contract signed by her, digitally or physically if need be, with stipulations protecting them against this. And hopefully no artist feels chummy to her. I get the feeling she likes to butter people up before she screws them over.
Anyone who tries to strip artists from their profit especially in this era of AI generated content, is only hurting themselves in the long run. They also risk getting blacklisted by others too.
@@desensitizedanalyser5624 Maybe you're not getting work because your prices are cheap. Also you need to think about who your target audience is and what they want. If your clients are "people who want cheap art", you're focusing on a dead-end market and are better off pursuing a different field for money. AI can make passable art faster and cheaper than any human, you won't be able to compete on those metircs.
This is extortion, plain and simple. Also, ain't no way she's genuinely sorry, she's only "sorry" she got caught and she should've reimbursed the artist if she truly meant it
She ended up brushing it off with memes as if it didn't even happen. After that I cut ties with with and I knew her IRL because of a convention we go to. Looks like I'll be avoiding her there next year
I don't like drama as well but I do find it useful to see who's the one causing it in the Vtuber community to avoid them, these people will never learn.
I'm not even surprised Trua would do this tbh. She is CONSTANTLY trying to chase clout (even to the point where she'd donate money to other big vtubers just to get a shoutout so she could post it) . And pulling something like this would've given her that boost she was wanting. It really says a lot when she has 60k followers on Twitter but struggles to get 60 views on twitch.
I have my own personal issues with her. Got completely ghosted by her. She had already agreed to collab on somthin, and checking on her hours before, she said she was gonna be there. Never showed and never responded. Friended her on discord, but even tho she accepted immediately, still never got anything from her. Not even days after. Still was posting on Twitter and streamed a few days later. This was about a year ago now. But still put a bad taste in my mouth with her. I hate it when some reneges on being somewhere, but it’s worse when I don’t ever get a response back when time comes around. I’ve moved on from it, but since she’s bing brought up here. Might as well share. Honestly never thought I’d see someone I knew bing covered by Rev. What a shame.
She actually made it all the way to the Collab with you? With one of the Vtubers I manage, she had been supposed to Collab with her for a very long time and always ghosted whenever myself or my client checked on her about the Collab. Finally we got tired of it and quit trying.
@@Queen_Homunah she didn’t show. But at least I’m not the only one here. I didn’t try contacting after the day cuz I figured I get the same treatment.
The thing that I hate the most is knowing that a bunch of disingenuous completely meaningless "apologies" and "I'm sorrys" along with the fact that people have the attention span of a goldfish will allow this behavior to continue exponentially. I'm glad that people are keeping the receipts but still. If anything just proves how easy it is to get out of anyting wrong you did as long as you wait and throw in some meaningless perfunctory apologies.
@@JustAPerson633 Typical 1 week old Truass alt. You ain't gonna get a bite with a bait that bad. Fishes here aren't as stupid as you who can't read the ToS and conditions of artists they commission. 😂
Crazy how she had the audacity to file a claim to PayPal that she was being scammed before scamming the artist. She's nothing but a scam buyer and extortionist.
@@NautilusGraythey're a troll. Like they have no credibility whatshoever. Just a bunch of nothingburgers. They're in Hero Hei's channel too. Basically a cancer to society
And since Trua backstabbed that artist who had already made the basic outline of the vtuber model, I think she doesn't deserve it and that the model should be given to a vtuber that really deserves it the most.
Trua really out here right now after being exposed... She just apologizes and thinks that's enough for all the damage she has done, I do agree she should be cancelled cuz this is unacceptable. Artist are some of the hardest working people out here, ESPECIALLY vtuber artists. That's sh*t takes ages and a lot of time to finish
so far the second Vtuber I've seen trying to demand free art to not expose the artist. would be surprising if she even has her career after this. or she now has to learn to make her own vtuber model since I doubt any artist will work with her after she tried to extort the artist and went back on her word. and from her "apology" she's not sorry for what she did she's sorry she got caught.
Man, they seriously seem to be deliberately twisting your words and actions to justify your cyberbullying. These people are like school bullies who pretend to be moral guardians. Although some of them seem quite fanatical in their aggression, perhaps these are truly emotionally unstable people, and not some kind of aggressive trolls.
As an artist I also reserve the right to decline the project any further and will refund only what I was given for a project, then mark their name as someone I choose never to work with again. If I was paid nothing, then that is logged and nothing is lost. It's always good to have logs of your conversations. I have learned that lesson years ago.
Trua basically didn't read the artist's TOS. At first, Trua seemed upset that the artist wasn't communicating, but, the artist had been going through some serious health problems and was hospitalized for a few weeks at one point. If Trua had read their TOS, then they would have known that the artist updates via Trello, and she would have known why the artist wasn't communicating during that time. The artist, despite not always being in constant communication, was in fact working on Trua's commission the whole time, and did send Trua updates on their work. It's also important to keep in mind that Trua started her ish WAY before the six month deadline. She didn't have the patience to wait until at least then. And remember that paying off your debt to the artist doesn't magically move you to the priority list. The price you pay for the convenience of a payment plan, as opposed to paying in full up front or a rush comm, is that you will have to wait longer for your commission to be done. Trua wasn't even supposed to make that initial $410 payment, yet, which she would have known if she, you guessed it, read the artist's TOS. Trua apparently didn't understand any of this, and tried to ruin somebody's career because she was too impatient and didn't read the fucking TOS.
I saw her apology post, it was shit and I already knew were this was going honestly. Seriously I do question why she did it, or they don't do a public apology. But just do a private one, give the artist more money, and not slander and ruining opportunities from the future after this is over. Cause I have seen some of their posts before this, I seen their debut on twitch, I only watch 1 person. But from their twitter posts I thought they were something to watch, nope just another strangle hold for free stuff.
Tbh what they should have done as the artist is to just refund the money and then simply use the assets to another project. Then, after that, put her on blast. There was a famous drummer who gave lessons to people who want to learn how to become better drummer, if you were late to the lesson, he did not care how much you'd paid extra for being late, if you were late he was already done with you, if there's lack of respect or lack of following what's been agreed on, the best thing you can do is simply leave. Someone tells you they'll give you 600 bucks for something and then come over with only 550 bucks? 599 bucks? what they are trying to do is make you compromise, make you bend for them, if you allow that they will keep pushing.
Honestly i don't think Drama channels are a bad thing as they show the absurd side of any community, but that is as long as the drama channel does not start the drama itself. Besides anyone that says they hate drama is lying as it is funny to see at times which is why soap operas and other dramas are even aired on public TV in the first place
"Drama channels make the community worse!" OR, and just hear me out here, maybe _the very drama that is being covered_ is what's actually making the community worse, and maybe you all should "do better" and not start said drama in the first place. Novel thought, I know. You're welcome.
It's one thing if you got screwed like that one guy who kept just not doing what he said he was going to do it's another thing to not even be at the deadline and then complain. It would also be another thing if there was no interaction between the two of them at all after money had been sent.
I want to ask "how do these people sleep at night" but I already know that they sleep perfectly soundly, secure in their knowledge that they are the hero and everyone else is a villain out to take them down, and honestly that's the most sickening thing of all
This artist needs to sue Trua. This is awful. Saying I'm sorry and still not paying? Not to mention the damaged reputation. How is she sorry exactly? Sadly this won't even remotely be the last time this poor artist gets screwed over, being a freelance artist means half your clients are like this. I've found the best way to deal is to raise your prices. For some reason the people who are super grateful for your work and try to give you bonuses are the same people who don't mind if you charge a lot per hour. The less you charge, the more you get people trying to con you out of even that little bit. ESPECIALLY if you charge below minimum wage.
I had seen parts of this go down mostly because I follow Trua but I don't like assuming things without more information and seeing this I'm disappointed and angry that she behaved this way. As a person slowly starting to open commissions this behavior makes me nervous but it's the risk we take as artists and commissioners we might get scammed or deal with toxic people. If I was this artist I'd have seeked legal action
Bring out the garbage frequently if you don't want it to stink up your home. Lets face it. The Vtubing scene is so inflated with creators that I can only follow and support a tiny fraction of what is offered and I think this is true for most of us. A creator pulling stuff like that gets off my list instantly as I have enough manipulators in my life already and don't need them in my entertainment and escapism. Also twitter follow is just a gesture and rarely correlates to actual viewership. Content creators seem to forget this pretty often.
So basically like any youtuber in the past, the only reason why they apologize is because they got caught in 4k 😂 yet still trying to be on some moral high ground as if they are in the right. Is it even an apology at that point?
Remember children, if someone has to tell you that they're "nice" in order for you to see them that way, that means that they were never nice In the first place.
It’s pretty much why I have quitted twitter/X people like Trua who behave so nice cutie pies and perfect uWu are a disease for the vtuber community, they show their true colours once they get an high amount of followers and karma strikes to them as it should be.
Many people believe that the reason why she even have that many followers are because they’re not even real followers which makes sense cause no one in their right mind would support this sort of thing. Also, I’ve always had a problem with her since she began doing her engagement post baits. Like she would do f4f posts without actually following anyone
Oh god... that whale guy all over again. I forget his name. The one who lied about AI art and then kept doubling down until it snowballed into bigger drama.
All I can say is I've dealt with these kinds of people before- going as far as claiming I stole their money, only informed after the fact they did this to ask for money because they couldn't pay rent after spending their money on video games, toys, booze, and commissioned art
@@arkasiawinters Kinda vague, but I’m guessing there’s plenty of “Your likes are public” moments, needless political dribble, and wizard game harassment?
@@lord_boneman Your likes are public and a lot of drama mongering. Also siding with brain dead antis on a lot of stupid shit. Then claiming they hate drama but still participate in it from time to time.
Artists are people to. They can do requests when they want to but they are also humans to they need money to put food on the table even as simple as Instant noodles!
i used to be a fan of trua cuz she really seemed sweet but seeing what she did to the artist really pissed me off. her friend who was harassing the artist the most made trua look even worse than she already is
Artist are the ones keeping a good portion of what makes a vtuber a vtuber going, heck even nonvtubers rely on artists alot. With the exception of those that can do their own art.
So, not going public (except DMs) was only good as a promise as long as she still had something to gain. Once she had no more art to get she said she was going to go public immediately. The artist was now only useful to her as drama fodder and she was going to get that extra value as well. Feeding the lion only saves you until you run out of food. You only delay the inevitable. Easy to tell now in hindsight, but let us all learn that lesson for the future anyway.
Theres this psychology concept called a dark empath. Empathy is being aware of other people’s emotions. However, you dont neccesarily act in the best interrest of others, you might just use them to manipulate. High Emotional intelligence doesn’t neccesarily make you a good person, just means you’ve got a higher understanding of how emotions work, and can mean you know you to illicit them and cause them and use them to your advantage.
I'm glad that I only share my drawings in twitter and don't even have any followers or involved or seen any kind of drama when I downloaded it and used it :D .
I don’t understand people who say they hate drama. it’s so entertaining to watch people being evil and then they pretend to be sorry after getting caught lmao.
As a working hard of a artist comes making vtuber is so tiring I’d say I made one of a fictional character it’s not all about the artist is how much they’re worth it’s the amount of hours , days and weeks just too make it right for the client just the design he/she like it’s finishing touch
This is extortion. You can't tell someone that you're going to do X unless they comply with your demands and do Y. I'd say that the artist should pursue this legally but honestly having to pay lawyer's fees and everything isn't really worth it. The court of public opinion is already siding with them.
Dude, i started 2 months ago streaming in twitch, and i feel VERY ashamed to explain to artist that i don't have budget due being from argentina, and this... "person" harrass artist!? Really!? I need to get monetization
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Also she's no longer going to be "active" on twitter anymore since "I don’t feel this is the right place for me anymore" aka she's running cause people held her accountable.
Cool. Anyways, WTF
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It's nauseating when people claim to be caring and empathetic as they intimidate, gaslight, and manipulate their victims. You're not empathetic, you're narcissistic.
@@JustAPerson633 Don't fucking threaten people's livelihoods and black mail them then. Problem solved.
@@JustAPerson633 Hilarious bait, but far too unbelievable.
@@JustAPerson633They will only do that if you threaten them and blackmail them falsely. Especially for a fact this Vtuber did and expect things for free? Get lost man. Not to mention pressure? Artists deserve the credit and rest for the work they do. And you are acting like a entitled individual who don't deserve a commission smh.
@@JustAPerson633Treat how you want to be treated. I met several Artists and they are very kind. Especially if we pay for them and not scam them. Nor wanting to paint them in a bad light for no good reason other than for clout or personal reasons. Like I am sorry if I am on the 'villain' side here but we all know who is the true villain of this story. Even someone with a low IQ knows who it is.
@@JustAPerson633 She's not gonna fuck you dude. Stop covering for a narcissistic, sociopath who commited the crime of extortion towards an innocent artist.
You're making yourself look pathetic by blaming the victim.
She claims to not like drama, but became the center of it
Which is why she hates it. By being the center of it and not expecting to become one.
Funny how the drama-haters end up in the most drama, tale as old as time :v
"Hey Mommy I AM famous!" Then immediately backpedals to "No Mommy I swear I am not infamous for this! Misunderstanding!" These Vtubers should be called out and all the more punished for their actions.
Perfectly normal female behavior, why is anyone surprised?
Just like those former royalty that claimed wanted privacy while having a documentary of their lives
This isn't the first time Trua has done this (social predation). The way she manipulated the artist shows that she's experienced in using social clout to bully others. She apparently didn't understand the limitations of her high-school level tactics in a professional setting.
Really makes you think doesn't it?
She even gaslit me when I defended her from the vile threats. Even I am disgusted with Trua but threats and saying awful things isn't the way to go about it. I ended up cutting all ties with her. I knew her IRL because she goes to a convention I go to yearly so that is how I know Trua. I even left her Discord server and I was a pretty big part of it too.
REV, Thank you for covering and spreading the word out! What Trua doing is disgusting. Especially the people giving her slack or defending Trua for this situation. (Despite all the evidence against Trua)
It's ironic that Trua says "I don't like """drama""" girl" and agrees with the generalization of "Channels who cover ""drama"" are terrible" meanwhile she's doing terrible stuff behind the scenes. Really makes you think people like Trua saying stuff like this have something to hide.
I wish I could say I’m surprised about this. But I got ghosted by her at the time we agreed to collaborate at. She was active on Twitter, and discord.
She doesn't like drama because she's the cause of it. She wants the be the great grand wizard but she's just an idiot pressing buttons hiding behind a curtain
@@CatBoxGMZ its usually that the people who scream about problems are guilty of them themselv, i remember a photo of miley cyrus and her dad just hugging, and everybody was screaming pedophile, i seen the photo and though, thats completely normal family behavior, if they think its pedophile its only in their eyes.
so yeah if pple scream about something alot its mostly because they guilty of it themselv.
I am not defending her. I was only against the people sending her threats but what caused me to cut ties with her is I saw all the evidence and she gaslit me because I was calling out the ones sending her threats...so I saw right then and there that she isn't the woman I knew before VTubing was a thing since I met her at a convention I go to yearly....so I was one of her biggest supporters and even I cut ties with her. I am heartbroken by all this
@@CatBoxGMZ She even said to me that she was wanting to collab with me and I got ghosted and she collabed with other people...and I knew her before VTubing was a thing so...yeah this hurts and I cut ties with her completely and now I am left heartbroken from this whole mess
Let's also not ignore the fact that the artist had health problems and needed to do rush comms in order to pay off the medical debts, and probably the biggest red flag for me, the amount of changes that Trua wanted throughout the process. It was absolutely ridiculous and I know a lot of people who would've told her just no or that they're cancelling because of that alone, like jfc.
If Trua realy wants to apologize and move past this. She neeeds to fully reimburse the artist and rigger for their work and time.
I’d argue with interest as well, given the attempts of slander.
She doesn't. She knows she got the deranged lunatic viewers backing her. Her income hasn't been hit despite this revelation.
She's just leaving X to cool off and then pretend nothing happens to try and grow more base but she already has the deranged lunatics so she's set.
She will do this again and a bit more sneaky.
@@lord_boneman Hours and hours of going back and forth and stress might as well be part of the job. Add those hours onto the bill.
we need services middleman to prevent shit like this.
There's no need. Middlemen causes price hike. People learning how to fking read TOS would be the solution and not hiring people if they don't like the TOS/their position in the que@@Bos_Meong
When you're a start up streamer, this is the thing YOU DO NOT DO. Trua's head just gets clobbered.
Seems like her brain was already scrambled (not excusing her actions by implying she's "mentally ill".)
It didn't. Let's face it, she was nearly 60k when Rev checked on her then, and she's probably hit that now, even if she lost a few followers due to this.
This was premeditated from the start, she leveraged being too big to fail, and although the artist really put her on the ropes by airing her dirty laundry with a IRS-approved level of receipts, she was right. The best I can hope for is that every artist she works with from now on
* gets their payment upfront in full
* gets a contract signed by her, digitally or physically if need be, with stipulations protecting them against this.
And hopefully no artist feels chummy to her. I get the feeling she likes to butter people up before she screws them over.
Anyone who tries to strip artists from their profit especially in this era of AI generated content, is only hurting themselves in the long run. They also risk getting blacklisted by others too.
I want to get paid for my art but I'm NEVER getting any customers! Even with my cheap prices! It makes me so frustrated that I have a hard time!
What does AI generated content have to do with any of this?
@@JustAPerson633 uh...i DO HAVE A JOB!!! and it still isn't enough!
@@dragongod2287 Artists of all kinds, especially ones on twitter feel super threatened by AI art and voices.
@@desensitizedanalyser5624 Maybe you're not getting work because your prices are cheap. Also you need to think about who your target audience is and what they want. If your clients are "people who want cheap art", you're focusing on a dead-end market and are better off pursuing a different field for money. AI can make passable art faster and cheaper than any human, you won't be able to compete on those metircs.
This is extortion, plain and simple. Also, ain't no way she's genuinely sorry, she's only "sorry" she got caught and she should've reimbursed the artist if she truly meant it
She ended up brushing it off with memes as if it didn't even happen. After that I cut ties with with and I knew her IRL because of a convention we go to. Looks like I'll be avoiding her there next year
I don't like drama as well but I do find it useful to see who's the one causing it in the Vtuber community to avoid them, these people will never learn.
You’ll develop an instinct for it given enough time. Can smell the troublemakers from miles away
I'm not even surprised Trua would do this tbh. She is CONSTANTLY trying to chase clout (even to the point where she'd donate money to other big vtubers just to get a shoutout so she could post it) . And pulling something like this would've given her that boost she was wanting. It really says a lot when she has 60k followers on Twitter but struggles to get 60 views on twitch.
A Vtweeter and drama-magnet moonlighting as a vtuber. It's the wrong way around.
Explains where the money that was meant for the artist went… straight to the bot farms
The follower has to be bot.
“I’m not like other VTubers/girls” are always insane. Always. No exceptions.
Not always. Just a large percentage
I’m not like other girls, I’m worse
@@gelato101I’m the worst*
*I am lot like other "vtwetters"
I’m not like other [insert noun] is always a red flag
I have my own personal issues with her. Got completely ghosted by her. She had already agreed to collab on somthin, and checking on her hours before, she said she was gonna be there. Never showed and never responded. Friended her on discord, but even tho she accepted immediately, still never got anything from her. Not even days after. Still was posting on Twitter and streamed a few days later. This was about a year ago now. But still put a bad taste in my mouth with her. I hate it when some reneges on being somewhere, but it’s worse when I don’t ever get a response back when time comes around. I’ve moved on from it, but since she’s bing brought up here. Might as well share.
Honestly never thought I’d see someone I knew bing covered by Rev. What a shame.
That's a red flag
Oh hey! Funny seeing you here, wanna start some drama of our own?
She actually made it all the way to the Collab with you? With one of the Vtubers I manage, she had been supposed to Collab with her for a very long time and always ghosted whenever myself or my client checked on her about the Collab. Finally we got tired of it and quit trying.
@@Queen_Homunah she didn’t show. But at least I’m not the only one here. I didn’t try contacting after the day cuz I figured I get the same treatment.
@@CatBoxGMZ Yeah but she at least kept contact right up until the day of xD
Dani and I couldn't even get her to help us plan the goddamn thing
She should pay the artist for every single piece of art they did, with no exception
Her public apology sounds more like "I'm sorry I got caught don't hate me"
Unbelievable.
The thing that I hate the most is knowing that a bunch of disingenuous completely meaningless "apologies" and "I'm sorrys" along with the fact that people have the attention span of a goldfish will allow this behavior to continue exponentially. I'm glad that people are keeping the receipts but still.
If anything just proves how easy it is to get out of anyting wrong you did as long as you wait and throw in some meaningless perfunctory apologies.
I feel bad for the artist, really dick move by Trua.
Don't listen to this guy above he just wants attention in every video whatsoever
If only her viewers see her that way, too bad the thirst bait and deranged lunatics go hand in hand.
@@JustAPerson633 Typical 1 week old Truass alt.
You ain't gonna get a bite with a bait that bad. Fishes here aren't as stupid as you who can't read the ToS and conditions of artists they commission. 😂
@@JustAPerson633ok trua the Walmart fish in the rotten fridge 🙄
@@dreading_bread5062 He is just a person after all lol
if you try and blackmail an artist then you really should be blacklisted from anything
Crazy how she had the audacity to file a claim to PayPal that she was being scammed before scamming the artist. She's nothing but a scam buyer and extortionist.
The amount of things a vtuber can do is crazy
@@JustAPerson633nah, I'm sure you support EDP. You sick freak
@@JustAPerson633Bot
@@JustAPerson633 just curious to your logic behind this... what are you talking about?
@@NautilusGraythey're a troll. Like they have no credibility whatshoever. Just a bunch of nothingburgers. They're in Hero Hei's channel too. Basically a cancer to society
@@JustAPerson633Do you mean you being cancelled? If you meant yourself I agree. Pikamee deserves to Dayo you.
And since Trua backstabbed that artist who had already made the basic outline of the vtuber model, I think she doesn't deserve it and that the model should be given to a vtuber that really deserves it the most.
I’m glad Juniperactias never gets into drama, starting to think the aquatic themed vtuber curse is real and she just barely avoided it lmao
Juni riggs and does her own outfits doesn't she?
@@byno3862 Yes
Isnt juniper a mothgirl? Moths arent aquatic
What other aquatic Vtubers get into drama? I can only think of Bao.
I've yet to see any trouble around Shylily.
Trua really out here right now after being exposed... She just apologizes and thinks that's enough for all the damage she has done, I do agree she should be cancelled cuz this is unacceptable. Artist are some of the hardest working people out here, ESPECIALLY vtuber artists. That's sh*t takes ages and a lot of time to finish
We got a Shylily imposter among us. It's messed up that she won't take responsibility for her poor actions and act like she just owns artists.
Sad thing is, Shylily followed her and they've raided each other a few times.
so far the second Vtuber I've seen trying to demand free art to not expose the artist. would be surprising if she even has her career after this. or she now has to learn to make her own vtuber model since I doubt any artist will work with her after she tried to extort the artist and went back on her word. and from her "apology" she's not sorry for what she did she's sorry she got caught.
We already have ShyLily as an orca VTuber.
Juniperactias was almost an orca vtuber, manages to stay out of drama(except that one meme she posted about the recent Azur Lane drama)
Hololive has an orca
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Not sure that deciding “who’s the orca VTuber” is the issue here.
Love Lily.
Man, they seriously seem to be deliberately twisting your words and actions to justify your cyberbullying. These people are like school bullies who pretend to be moral guardians. Although some of them seem quite fanatical in their aggression, perhaps these are truly emotionally unstable people, and not some kind of aggressive trolls.
@@JustAPerson633 Apparently they are the kind of people who think that piracy makes you a communist. So they tried to make it free in advance.
don't listen to the troll ^
All too common on the internet in the past 7 or so years. It's gotten so bad, sometimes interactions online can be intolerable out in the wild.
Ok 2 of you are obviously retarded
Blackmail, extortion and doxxing i believe. He can get the money that is supposed to be given if the artist make this a legal case.
Problem is that this can be expensive and judges don't understand internet stuff and will just throw the case out.
These aquatic vtubers often seem to find themselves in... rough waters.
"Of course i don't like drama-covering channels. People might know what kind of person i really am."
I love extortion and misinformation and a little bit of tomfoolery
People who say they hate drama are almost always the root cause of drama in their life.
As an artist I also reserve the right to decline the project any further and will refund only what I was given for a project, then mark their name as someone I choose never to work with again. If I was paid nothing, then that is logged and nothing is lost. It's always good to have logs of your conversations. I have learned that lesson years ago.
Trua basically didn't read the artist's TOS.
At first, Trua seemed upset that the artist wasn't communicating, but, the artist had been going through some serious health problems and was hospitalized for a few weeks at one point.
If Trua had read their TOS, then they would have known that the artist updates via Trello, and she would have known why the artist wasn't communicating during that time.
The artist, despite not always being in constant communication, was in fact working on Trua's commission the whole time, and did send Trua updates on their work.
It's also important to keep in mind that Trua started her ish WAY before the six month deadline. She didn't have the patience to wait until at least then.
And remember that paying off your debt to the artist doesn't magically move you to the priority list. The price you pay for the convenience of a payment plan, as opposed to paying in full up front or a rush comm, is that you will have to wait longer for your commission to be done.
Trua wasn't even supposed to make that initial $410 payment, yet, which she would have known if she, you guessed it, read the artist's TOS.
Trua apparently didn't understand any of this, and tried to ruin somebody's career because she was too impatient and didn't read the fucking TOS.
I think it's more sinister and she didn't care about the TOS and is just a manipulative Karen trying to get free shit by making a problem.
I saw her apology post, it was shit and I already knew were this was going honestly. Seriously I do question why she did it, or they don't do a public apology. But just do a private one, give the artist more money, and not slander and ruining opportunities from the future after this is over. Cause I have seen some of their posts before this, I seen their debut on twitch, I only watch 1 person. But from their twitter posts I thought they were something to watch, nope just another strangle hold for free stuff.
Tbh what they should have done as the artist is to just refund the money and then simply use the assets to another project.
Then, after that, put her on blast.
There was a famous drummer who gave lessons to people who want to learn how to become better drummer, if you were late to the lesson, he did not care how much you'd paid extra for being late, if you were late he was already done with you, if there's lack of respect or lack of following what's been agreed on, the best thing you can do is simply leave.
Someone tells you they'll give you 600 bucks for something and then come over with only 550 bucks? 599 bucks? what they are trying to do is make you compromise, make you bend for them, if you allow that they will keep pushing.
Honestly i don't think Drama channels are a bad thing as they show the absurd side of any community, but that is as long as the drama channel does not start the drama itself. Besides anyone that says they hate drama is lying as it is funny to see at times which is why soap operas and other dramas are even aired on public TV in the first place
"Drama channels make the community worse!"
OR, and just hear me out here, maybe _the very drama that is being covered_ is what's actually making the community worse, and maybe you all should "do better" and not start said drama in the first place. Novel thought, I know. You're welcome.
Artist should file a lawsuit against her and make her pay the total amount of all the free shit she got from that extortion.
It's one thing if you got screwed like that one guy who kept just not doing what he said he was going to do it's another thing to not even be at the deadline and then complain. It would also be another thing if there was no interaction between the two of them at all after money had been sent.
As a Vtuber myself this is wild thing to see. Shame of them. She needs to pay the artist.
I want to ask "how do these people sleep at night" but I already know that they sleep perfectly soundly, secure in their knowledge that they are the hero and everyone else is a villain out to take them down, and honestly that's the most sickening thing of all
She posted an apology, and in that apology said: "I'm also at fault" - Ma'am, you're the ONLY one at fault.
Just listening to that made my stomach really uneasy. I can't believe someone could treat their artist like that
This person did how much in 3 months!? As an artist im amazed and appalled. So much time, skill, and dedication wasted on a bully. I feel so bad
This artist needs to sue Trua. This is awful. Saying I'm sorry and still not paying? Not to mention the damaged reputation. How is she sorry exactly? Sadly this won't even remotely be the last time this poor artist gets screwed over, being a freelance artist means half your clients are like this. I've found the best way to deal is to raise your prices. For some reason the people who are super grateful for your work and try to give you bonuses are the same people who don't mind if you charge a lot per hour. The less you charge, the more you get people trying to con you out of even that little bit. ESPECIALLY if you charge below minimum wage.
I had seen parts of this go down mostly because I follow Trua but I don't like assuming things without more information and seeing this I'm disappointed and angry that she behaved this way. As a person slowly starting to open commissions this behavior makes me nervous but it's the risk we take as artists and commissioners we might get scammed or deal with toxic people. If I was this artist I'd have seeked legal action
If she only paid $400 dollars 💸 then she should get a model that's worth $400
Bring out the garbage frequently if you don't want it to stink up your home.
Lets face it. The Vtubing scene is so inflated with creators that I can only follow and support a tiny fraction of what is offered and I think this is true for most of us.
A creator pulling stuff like that gets off my list instantly as I have enough manipulators in my life already and don't need them in my entertainment and escapism.
Also twitter follow is just a gesture and rarely correlates to actual viewership. Content creators seem to forget this pretty often.
This is what we call the dreaded vtweeter phenomenon.
So basically like any youtuber in the past, the only reason why they apologize is because they got caught in 4k 😂 yet still trying to be on some moral high ground as if they are in the right. Is it even an apology at that point?
her "extortion" more like blackmailing just by threatening the artist to spread it online
Remember children, if someone has to tell you that they're "nice" in order for you to see them that way, that means that they were never nice In the first place.
It’s pretty much why I have quitted twitter/X people like Trua who behave so nice cutie pies and perfect uWu are a disease for the vtuber community, they show their true colours once they get an high amount of followers and karma strikes to them as it should be.
DOING the drama is what ruins the scene lol
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I'm going out on a limb and guessing she planned on scamming the rigger as well and that's why she got so mad about them comparing notes.
Many people believe that the reason why she even have that many followers are because they’re not even real followers which makes sense cause no one in their right mind would support this sort of thing.
Also, I’ve always had a problem with her since she began doing her engagement post baits. Like she would do f4f posts without actually following anyone
Oh god... that whale guy all over again. I forget his name. The one who lied about AI art and then kept doubling down until it snowballed into bigger drama.
Thank you for your archiving work, I'm learning a lot about this rabbit hole. Starts to look more and more like a shark hole tbh.
"Not a drama person but..." funny how this always happens whenever they mention that kind of thing
All I can say is I've dealt with these kinds of people before- going as far as claiming I stole their money, only informed after the fact they did this to ask for money because they couldn't pay rent after spending their money on video games, toys, booze, and commissioned art
Trua has been a piece of work since 2020.
Since 2020? What’s the lore here?
@@lord_bonemanJust the usual ENVtuber BS that you've heard a thousand times on this channel.
@@arkasiawinters hypocritical, anime and vtuber idol "fan"? Am I correct?
@@arkasiawinters Kinda vague, but I’m guessing there’s plenty of “Your likes are public” moments, needless political dribble, and wizard game harassment?
@@lord_boneman Your likes are public and a lot of drama mongering. Also siding with brain dead antis on a lot of stupid shit. Then claiming they hate drama but still participate in it from time to time.
16:10 "Your likes are public". Man, that works every time. Have people not learned anything?
Imagine thinking you can just get anything you want for free 😂
I wish bro 😂
like reposting other people's comments 😂😂😂
Imagine if you threaten a person if they don't make their content free. I mean, isn't that a criminal offense?
@@andrewfantome4020That's virtual robbery
Artists are people to. They can do requests when they want to but they are also humans to they need money to put food on the table even as simple as Instant noodles!
I am gonna keep this in mind when I get to doing commission for people
Just read the terms of service and don't hire if you can't wait in the queu.
“I’m gonna tell my kids this is Cruella Jr. and that she deserves it.”
Oh man. I followed her a little because she seemed like a cool gal. Thanks for the warning Rev.
9:20 That's exactly what it is, it's extortion by definition and it's a crime.
When presenting information the artist left nothing to chance. That vtuber is very black hearted
Every day, I fear twitter will die.
All these obnoxious people will flood other social medias
i used to be a fan of trua cuz she really seemed sweet but seeing what she did to the artist really pissed me off. her friend who was harassing the artist the most made trua look even worse than she already is
Artist are the ones keeping a good portion of what makes a vtuber a vtuber going, heck even nonvtubers rely on artists alot. With the exception of those that can do their own art.
I feel the same way about Melody after she backstabbed Nux. Some people are just really two faced and fake like that.
An orca indeed, look innofensive at first, then start playing with the prey, and then devour it.
Its stupid they tried to make the " drama " public as if the victim won't retaliate with the actual story.
So, not going public (except DMs) was only good as a promise as long as she still had something to gain.
Once she had no more art to get she said she was going to go public immediately. The artist was now only useful to her as drama fodder and she was going to get that extra value as well.
Feeding the lion only saves you until you run out of food. You only delay the inevitable.
Easy to tell now in hindsight, but let us all learn that lesson for the future anyway.
Exactly.
Can’t wait til her ego gets the better of her and she tries to cancel you
Every egotistical trash goal is to steer the collective. Those are the people not worth investing time.
It's always a good day seeing a vtuber taking a massive L. 😂😂😂
she should change from orca vtuber into karen vtuber
Theres this psychology concept called a dark empath.
Empathy is being aware of other people’s emotions. However, you dont neccesarily act in the best interrest of others, you might just use them to manipulate.
High Emotional intelligence doesn’t neccesarily make you a good person, just means you’ve got a higher understanding of how emotions work, and can mean you know you to illicit them and cause them and use them to your advantage.
Some people’s children. 🤦♀️
What she did was absolutely wrong! Thanks for talking about this!
Wtf, okay wasn’t expecting someone I know here
Thank u Rev... I just found another community I don't want anything to do with... keep up the good work
Wow that was killer story thank you for uploading keep up the good work rev ❤
Absolutely fucking brilliant to go the extra mile and screen record everything instead of just screenshots
saw this on my feed last night and i didn't expect thing escalates that quick
Omg I made a boomer comment in my video too when I saw the pdf I couldn’t believe she downloaded them that way 😂😂😂
when trua has never been Tru-a
I'm glad that I only share my drawings in twitter and don't even have any followers or involved or seen any kind of drama when I downloaded it and used it :D .
I don’t understand people who say they hate drama. it’s so entertaining to watch people being evil and then they pretend to be sorry after getting caught lmao.
Protect yourselves; always keep your receipts.
trua.. whhyy!?! after all this i cant stay in her discord after all this, makes me feel dirty
Good. Her mask fell off and now you see. Find someone better who don't hide their shit personality.
As a working hard of a artist comes making vtuber is so tiring I’d say I made one of a fictional character it’s not all about the artist is how much they’re worth it’s the amount of hours , days and weeks just too make it right for the client just the design he/she like it’s finishing touch
Thats just flat out mental. Prayers to the artist 😢🙏
This is extortion. You can't tell someone that you're going to do X unless they comply with your demands and do Y.
I'd say that the artist should pursue this legally but honestly having to pay lawyer's fees and everything isn't really worth it.
The court of public opinion is already siding with them.
Yikes, that's someone I follow on twitch. Glad this was brought into light. 😣
Dude, i started 2 months ago streaming in twitch, and i feel VERY ashamed to explain to artist that i don't have budget due being from argentina, and this... "person" harrass artist!? Really!? I need to get monetization
People who constantly talk about how they hate drama are always the most awful people who start drama nonstop.
good job shining more light on this situation
I feel so bad for that artist havingto deal with Trua's bs.
if you screw over artists and another artist will screw you over
Essentially, artists speaks to each other, until you are blacklisted in a universal level. Not exactly the type of rapt you'd want.
Artists have connections to others, and they will have the art community army come to defend them