I'm all with him there. Specially the ergonomics. Man Sony 99/77 and other slt cameras felt even better than Canon and Nikon! And firmware update is so essential even for lower tier models. This helps with the user trust to stay with the brand.
Totally agreed. Better screen, better firmware update, better ergo. Lots of us still using a7iii, hoping can do eye AF video firmware update + touch menu/zoom etc.
@@ridzbaha618he issue is the processor in the camera. It’s a significantly weaker processor that limits what it can do. I have an a7iii and an a7siii, it’s a tad annoying that my siii doesn’t have some of the same features, but it’s like 4 years old now lol.
As a Sony and Canon shooter myself, you were the first RUclipsr I followed for camera techniques and everyday photography work back in early 2019. Haven't missed a video since. Keep doing what you do. Peace, blessings and cheers to more of your content 🤙
@@jediae Not a chance, the R6II has much better autofocus, it uses the whole sensor in video and stills, does not have the 4k crop and does not overheat.
Hello, I think your analysis is great and what you have finally noticed using the Sony system. I think the vast majority agree that what is failing in Sony is to see more updates on our cameras, especially those that are older. range, I have the a7 s3 and a7iv.. I also hope that they finally make those small updates. I have very new cameras and they are missing those things that could improve the satisfaction of having this equipment... since I have gone through previous models and I have that same session that they get some update for our cameras hahaha, greetings bro!
@@internetuseraccount stop trolling, companies can definitely add new features via updates. Look at the Update that added Timelapse to the A7iii, that i was really happy about.
Nice one Manny. Lots of good points. On the ergonomics, I used the Peak Design Clutch V3 and it solves a lot of those feel issues. I can walk with the 200-600mm hanging off my finger tips and I know it's secure (and I'm and old geezer). Lenses - yes, yes, yes. Don't forget Voigtlanders - put one on and you have a Leica! Keep shooting from the lip - it's more fun and comes from the heart which is very you. 💪🏾💪🏾
@@johncastle95 I still have that issue with my A7iv but I'm a chunky boi and tall as well. I get around with that by using the vertical grip (as I'm mostly shooting portraits) or the Smallrig L bracket when I'm out doing landscape etc
@@Battlem0nk chunky handed guy here that's only ever shot MFT, Fuji and now Sony. I guess having never held Canon and Nikon I just hold the camera differently and never think about the free pinky. I almost feel like I'm griping a baseball with my first 3 and thumb and it ends up feeling normal for me. I guess using Canon or Nikon would ruin that for me. 🤣
I just switched to a7iii. Don’t have budget for more. I really like it. And i like stuff that you don’t like about it. Still have to learn a lot and get used to a lot of stuff but i love it. Can’t say a lot about all the newer high end stuff because i just don’t have the money. Maybe in the future when i start earning money with photography
This video wasn't too long at all, really useful to. I've always appreciated your honesty and expertise. Marry Christmas, to you and your family, Manny.
16:40 The aWB changes slightly when you switch from vertical to horizontal on all my Sony. I keep testing and it keeps being true (yes even when the same in the frame). Many reported seeing that too - weird!
SOOC color science I agree but when using a grey card, they are all nearly the same. Thing is Canon and Nikon IBIS aren’t that much better. Canon is good until you use a wide angle lens and then the wobble destroys the footage. Nikon (Z9) has a problem with over correction and it will jerk the footage when doing certain panning motions. Sony IBIS up until the A7RV isn’t amazing but they don’t have those issues
@@MannyOrtiz Too many micro jitters in the Sony when handheld. I'd take the wobble any day since it's at the edge of the frame instead the whole screen looking shaky on the Sony.
@@kifley19 I'm the opposite. jitters are way more tolerable than those wobble. Even in cinema you can see those shakes in some action scenes deliberately. But never seen a wobble in cinema. Ergonomics is yet my biggest con
I've only been shooting with Sony for 2 years now, but I can say that you've nailed... especially when you mentioned the grip and the Sigma 85mm Art. Beautiful lens - possibly the best 85mm I've ever used - but man it catches knuckles when you're throwing it about!
I didn’t understand about the White balance did Manny say using a Grey card or Great card and does that actually make a difference , if so which one to buy someone pls explain ?
14:55 ugh I have an a7iii and coming from my iPhone, laptop, or monitor, I can't use it most of the time. the evf looks so much better because the highlights are rich softer, and tethered to my laptop the highlights are so much softer
Sup man, not sure if you remember me but I delivered KFC to you a couple times back when I did my grub hub gig. Cool to see you still posting bro, keep up the good work 😎
Yes, it was helpful. I'm a begginer, I don't do video and I wanted to buy sony 7RIII, but finally I decided to get canon R6. Yes I get less mpx and less lens options, but what made me change my mind was the color science. I shoot makeup and makeup products so it was important for me to get the best colors I can get, cause it would drive me crazy to constantly look for and fix colors. And im happy with colors that R6 gives me, if I do product swatches the files straight out of the camera are identical to colors in real life, so I don't have to change anything. Too bad we can't get everything good in one brand 😪 I wish it was possible
ok lets go.... 1) 2:00 you need in studio 12800 iso really? and AF? use better lighting and manual focus since you are alone on a slider.... why i talk about you, you will find out in number 8... 2) 3:52 applying a LUT in a file dosnt make it color graded..... 3) 5:00 there is a FULL FRAME camera with 1500$ that CAN shoot 10bit 4k INTERNAL(4.2.2)..... man how is it possible that you say such a thing....and its called Panasonic S5...and does it the last 3 years with no update ...man you expose yourself saying that there is no other camera..... 4) 6:10 you probably dont know it but this design in the screen was firstly in the S1h... 5) 6:30 there are 1.8 glass with Panasonic and SIgma 2.8 under 500$ and other 3rd party lenses....unbelievable... but its true E-mount has more lenses but, has it better lenses? that what you should ask yourself mate.... 6) 9:00 difference is that in Panasonic they make small lenses at 1.8 with no breathing.... 7) 10:00 thats the only reason to buy a SONY 8) 10:36 we dont know you but you choosed to expose yourself and talk about things that most people dont know and take your opinion to buy stuff and probably or you dont care or you get money from companies to promote their stuff.... so even if we dont know you we can critisize WHAT you say...if you dont like that then maybe you shouldnt be on youtube posting videos 9) 12:20 really? what feature did they make lately that makes you so excited to shoot? the fact that they correct a lens problem digitally? man thats a problem they can fix in lens .... i cant believe you people prefer worse items that are fixed in camera than just a good item....thats not innovation mate.... trust me 10) If you havent used other cameras than sony nikon and canon PLEASE dont make BIG statements about things you only use ..... you sounds to people that know, hilarious and saddly people that dont know believe you.... i Hope you get that video down and remake it because before i watch this i can that i found some of your videos interesting.... but after this .....man .... I have no affiliation with any company and i use them all as tools... even sony...hahah...but really i hate sony youtubers...sorry lads but you are like an epidemic.... btw this video was not helpful in addition it was irritating thats why i spent 10 minutes of my life writing this message. And lastly this message is NOT a hate message, is a reality message mate, think about it ;)
Yes, this video helps...I just left Nikon (D750) and picked up the A7RV after waiting forever for Nikon to give me something I wanted to upgrade to. I've been a looooong hold out just because I was trying to stick with Nikon at the under $4K price range and eye-auto focus is super important to me as well as 3rd party lens options without adapting. I'm sure they'll catch up soon, but they just took too long for me and they still won't have 3rd party lens options fast enough. Your video makes me feel confident in my switch and my choice in camera model.
@@msonufriychuk yea I’ve used the z6 II and just wasn’t that impressed. I would’ve been open to a z8 or z6 or 7 III but they just took too long and I can’t wait any longer so I jumped ship. Also still no 3rd party lens options anytime soon.
I switched to Sony from Canon, and I like it mostly, but I think it's lacking in three things. First, I think they need more good first-party consumer-level primes. There isn't a good cheap prime lens other than maybe the 28mm f/2; in just a few years, Canon has 16mm f/2.8, 24mm f/2, and 35mm f/1.8, which I absolutely love. Second, I think 10 fps is embarrassing on a modern camera. I understand that a few years ago, 10 fps limit was understandable on a high-res camera, but it's 2022 now and R5/6 have existed for 2 years, and shown that 20 fps is doable in 2020 technology. It seems like 10 fps limit is an artificial limitation to sell the A1 and A9; we should reasonably expect 15-20 fps by now on all $2k+ cameras. Third, like you said, I feel like lower tiered but newer cameras are often so much better featured than the higher tiered cameras, which makes shopping weird. I could imagine saving up for an A1, only to see the A7R V have better video features, better screen mechanism, better ergonomics, better menus, etc. Sure, some of the things like AI AF or physical controls can't be brought to an older camera, but some fraction of the features should be ported to the more expensive camera. Also, the A7 IV and A1 came out the same year, yet I feel like A7 IV has a much better control scheme; why couldn't they have waited to bring A7 IV's ergonomics to the A1, really not sure. Anyway, it's a good system, but I have my frustrations with Sony.
We started getting more serious about photography and videography in late 2019 and it was your channel that really got us into using Sony. An A7III, RIII and an SIII later we're still loving our Sonys! Thanks Manny!
How does Sony do in the cold? I have used an A7siii inside and the battery level dropped fast. I just bought a Z9 and was shooting an outside holiday concert. It was 1 degree Farenheit and I had zero issues. Meanwhile a fellow photographer could not even get his Canon to work in the cold. I have not found another brand rated to handle the cold like the Nikon Z9. The colors I am getting out of this camera is the best I have ever seen, especially with florescent light. I also have a Canon 80d.
I personally shoot Sony, but I have been playing with the Z9 and it's probably my favorite camera from the big 3. I don't know how Nikon pulled it off so damn good.
As always thank you for the video and the effort. Just a few comments (or feedback). I only compare the Sony’s ergo to the EOS R3 and Z9 when I use it with its battery grip on the A1, A9x, and 7Rx as well as I’ve used the Z9 and 1Dx. On my A1s I have VG-C4EM grips on them. Also fine with CFexpress Type A but not at its current price point when compared with Type B. Is there any justification for its 2x price? Finally the new colors of the A7RV and A7 IV are finally there which is why I added the latest RV. Keep sharing your thought and letting Sony know firmware updates are important.
I have Sony and use Sony but truth have to be said, I hate the idea of having a crappy screen in a $6,500 camera like the A1, I hate that Sony is SO stubborn on keep cheaping out on the screen. A $3,900 Canon R5 has a MUCH superior and adequate screen to a so called professional camera.
As someone who is tying to decide what brand of camera they want, videos like this one are very helpful. It's always nice to get candid, this is my opinion over the more formalized "review", especially when it is about a brand ecosystem over just a single model.
Any camera made in the last 10 years is sufficient honestly. It just depends on which tailors to your needs the best. I still say a used a7Riii is the best camera for the money to anyone trying to get into Sony on a limited budget.
@manny Ortiz fab video you hit it all on the head there i have used sony sinse they took over konika minolta and worked through the bodies slowly theres a lot to say from where i started and progressed through the early range into the new stuff and i may even do a video on it but you deffo hit the nail on the head. happy christmas.
When I got my A6300 I got back into photography after many years. Was on the wait list for a couple months. Loved my Canon A-1 film cameras, superb 35 mm for film. Particularly B/W. Then I had kids and processing film was unaffordable. Unfortunately my A6300 ended up in the pet's H2O bowl. I will buy another Sony, probably an A7C unless they want me to "test one"...
My main con is fragility. Camera rolled off my bag and the viewfinder glass broke. I've only invested in three lens, only AF is preventing me from going back to Nikon or even doing a whole different switch to Canon if they are more rugged.
I’m a Fuji user, former Nikon DSLR user, and I was at a crossroad this summer when the X-H2S was announced. I was yearning for better battery life and better AF and the X-H2S was supposed to deliver it. But, it was the same price as the new Sony A7IV. My dilemma was dumping all of my Fuji gear and getting into a new system or sticking with Fuji. I didn’t go for a new system various reasons, with the main one being cost and size of full frame glass. I did end up getting the X-H2S and I hands down don’t regret my decision. It’s been a game changer for my work. There was a touch and try event for the X-H2S at my local camera shop and I went. I already pre-ordered the camera in case I wanted it I wouldn’t have to wait to get it. I was going to decide if I was going to keep my pre-order or not after the event. After the event was done I played with the other big name full frame mirrorless cameras. I agree with Manny about the Canon R5 feeling the best in the hand and I too have always despised the grip and hand clearance of the Sony A7 bodies. Even the point of low clearance for your fingers with a larger lens was deal breaker for me every time I tried one out. I didn’t mind the ergonomics of the Nikon. At the end of the day I couldn’t stomach the price of the Canon R5, the Nikon lens line up was a bit underwhelming and I hate the grip of the Sony cameras. I’m glad this video was posted because it still reminds me why I stayed with Fuji. I was honest with myself about what worked and what didn’t and I’m so glad I stayed with Fuji. If I had to come up with a perfect system for myself it would be a Sony camera body and lens line up withe the body having the hand grip of the Canon R5 and shutter/button placement of the Fuji X-H2S.
I've enjoyed your videos for years and seeing your progress as a photographer. I started shooting Sony with the A7. Kind of funny now that the knock on Sony was a lack of lenses. But, Sony was first with mirrorless and Nikon and Canon had to play catch up. Since I do very little video, the A7R4 is pretty much the perfect camera for me and I have two of them. I like the depth of the grip and I hate flippy screens. I hope Sony always has a camera designed primarily for photographers. Happy holidays to you and your family.
I’m with you Manny. Had the A7SIII (best low light) and A7R4 then upgraded to the A1 and all my glass is Sony (except the 85 sigma). The A1 is an amazing camera but I feel you on the frustration with the price and lack of features it should have (that tilt screen on the A7R5 tho). So many things Sony needs to do to be a damn near perfect company but yet they are still content with complacency. Love the vids and keep them coming.
I agree. I haven’t had the opportunity to shoot the a1 and a7rv but I have shot with almost everything else since the release of the a7rii. Sony haves something for almost every category with a ton of lens options. I came from Nikon and Canon and quickly adopted Sony when eye af was mentioned with the a7rii. Owning other mirrorless brands, Fujifilm, Nikon and Canon I can see the lack of firmware updates being a nuisance. I too think that firmware updates for new features should trickle down to Sony’s more premium lineups (a1, a7r, a7s, a9). Great video with many valid points. Hopefully Sony listens and makes some adjustments for it’s many users.
Bro the new tech part is what made me runaway from Sony. They can simply solve this with firmware updates, but no, they release a whole new camera with that feature... I switched to Panasonic after 16 years of being a Sony user and I don't think I'm going back to Sony. The value for the price that lumix provides is simply incomparable. You talk about Canon and Nikon and overlooked Panasonic. There's no point on having all the collection of lenses if you won't use 90% of them. I owned 29 lenses and 80% of the time I would use 2 of them only and three more 15% of the time. Then the 5% left would be for the rest of the 24 other lenses. The cameras Lumix release are genuine improvements and the Lumix S lenses are much better value than the Sony ones, providing the same performance for much less money 🤌🏻🤌🏻
I love my A7RIV - Truly the perfect camera for me. I can’t envision ever upgrading again & I learned to live with the terrible menus & out-of-camera color defects, which are easily correctible in raw. However, I had the a7c for a short while, and that was the perfect travel & street camera, except the viewfinder was atrocious. If Sony fixes that (ie enlarge it & include an eye cup), then I may buy it again. Maybe you can talk about that in another video & put a bug in Sony’s ear? Thanks for the video.
Based on specs alone, I could have gone from Canon to Sony when I went mirrorless. But when I picked up an A7 III, my hand almost literally rebelled. To me, Canons just feel right in the hand. They're easy to use. They just work So I waited for the R6 and R5. Now, I wish Canon could match Sony's lens lineup, including 3rd party. And I love that new 4-axis LCD. But I married the Canon lens ecosystem and, as a hobbyist, that's the biggest driver. TBF I already own all the glass I really need anyway. Everything else is just want.
Finally, someone who agrees that Sony cameras have too small a space between lens and grip. Anyone who mentions this on camera/photography forums usually gets shot down with ‘you must have gorilla hands’. No, I’ve got hands as small as a woman and you just can’t put a large lens on the body and hold it comfortably. Even small lenses are knuckle grazers. No matter how good the specs or ecosystem if the camera has bad ergonomics then it is useless as you don’t want to use it. This obsession with small that the first mirrorless cameras started needs to stop. Light weight is good, small is not.
Very helpful. And I like the off the cuff opinions that don’t sound rehearsed. This was more like a conversation. It literally put to bed deciding the camera I’m going to get next because of some of your points and the fact I don’t really want more than one camera. I’m not a pro, but have definitely come across the issues you mention but most of the time, I thought it was just me. Thanks for the validation and your opinion based on a wealth of experience!
Three months after my first a7S3, I bought a second a7S3. After I bought and used the a1 for 8K video, I realized how good the 4k video was on the a7S3 so I bought a third a7S3. I'm always impressed with the images that come out of the a7S3 compared to my a7iii, a7R3 and even the a1.
@@Jazzmarcel Two reasons for a7S3: (1) I got them on Greentoe for $3000 (my 3rd) and $3200 (my 2nd). I paid full price for the 1st but I had to have it via the pre-order. (2) I wanted a camera that looked like a DSLR for stealth work. When people see the a7s3 body they assume it's a DSLR for photos not videos.
@@poman911 jackpot!......I just got an fx3 (along with an a7s III )and I walked into a bar with it a was filming and nobody even questioned me! Surely It looks like a beginner base model camera to everyone!
Sorry Canon always roles onto your lips but it is what it is. Late into the mirrorless game, we're talking 3 years while Sony have been on it over a decade! Yet, Conon swept the industry by storm. Look what they did from EOS R to R3
Man that is some pretty serious gear, it's completely understandable you would have a collection of tools that fit your diverse workflow, I am similarily equiped for my occupation as well, it's just not as a Photographer or Cinematographer. I think you make a really strong point about the need for Sony to make Firmware updates for people with flagship cameras when they introduce a new pro-sumer model with new features. Most deffinitly the A7SIII and FX3 AND 30 for sure as well as the A1. I have shot for more than 30 years now as an avid hobbyist after taking photography in highschool so I have great appreciation for everything you are talking about technically, I have never taken my Photography to the level that you work at now, for me it has always been a costly obsession, well maybe more a form of therapy and personal interest. I'm in a different place looking through the lens, I see the world in a different way, more closely, with more tactile awareness of asthetics and design ellements that highlight the essence and appeal of the subject. The way these tools make it possible to capture those ellements and asthetics is vividly appearent to me and for the most part Sony has had me thinking hard about opening up my relationship with Canon. I'm not saying I'd switch and dump my Canon gear, but for high res image quality I have been waiting for Canon to produce a BSI sensor with no AA filter and something around 50mp or better for a while. It's crazy to see all that Sony has brought to market in the last 5 or 6 years, and how fast and far they have pulled into the lead for technology and specs. I'm not one to envy anyone's highlight reel, at least not without real appreciation for the mess on their cutting room floor, which is to say I fully appreciate the thousands of hours invested in honing your craft and hustling to get the work, but it is pretty sweat to see some of that gear and day dream about what it's capable of. The truth is at the end of the day there are times when the S22Ultra in my pocket is the most amazing piece of tech I could dream of. Anyway I'm rambling, thanks for posting this, it's awsome to get a real world hands on review of the pragmatic application for these tools and how they compare to each other.
As for the number of cameras Sony make, it’s incredibly overwhelming as a new photographer to get a feeling for the whole line up! There are so many versions with almost identical names… but the lens ecosystem is what got me to go Sony, I have a mix of Sony, Sigma and Samyang lenses, they all perform amazing at what I need from a camera
Not really, their naming scheme in Camera's is best compared to their naming scheme for other products eg. Headphones. In Camera's A7S for Sensitivity (Video), A7R for Resolution (Photo), Regular A7 for Hybrid. A7C for compact, A6xxx for APSC, FX for Cinema line, etc etc
I love your videos and always find the lighting setups in particular really helpful as someone newer to photography. Wish I had a full-time model to test out ideas on like you do in your partner and amazed always at the quality of images you both achieve, keep it up!
First of all Thank you so much for being my inspiration sir ❤️🙏 I've been following your channel for many years now, I am also a professional photographer in India learning from you with your every video. I can't say enough thanks to you. I wish someday I'll also have my own studio space and would love to shoot the way you do. 🙏 Keep making awesome videos. You are the best and your channel is the best channel regarding photoshoots knowledge on RUclips . Thank you 🤗
Don't you dare second guess yourself for a second about how long your vids are, or about what your saying to us Manny. We are here for who you are and don't ever change! For me, every time I watch you , its like watching a mate talk about stuff we like to talk about, could sit here and do it all day... Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Great video as usual Manny! Definitely with you on the third party lenses point, that Tamron trinity is 👌 I just recently bought my first Sony camera after shooting on another system for years, and since I wanted to keep the cost low while I just dip my toes in the Sony pond I went with the a7c. Honestly this is the weirdest I've ever felt about a camera in a long while. I get the feeling that a Sony camera is an incredible piece of tech that can do wonders for you, but at the same time kind of hates you. The button placement on the a7c makes no sense (look at where the Menu button is! And that's the button you use to go backwards in the menu...), the design of the camera both from an ergonomic and software standpoint feels almost antagonistic to the user, the camera takes forever to actually boot up (now I understand why Sony shooters keep their cameras on and never turn them off), but once you put in the time and set the camera up, you can at least enjoy the end result (great AF, great dynamic range, etc...), which sort of makes using this pain in the ass of a camera worth it in the end.
Been a Nikon shooter for years and every time I tried a Sony camera, I didn’t like the ergonomics. Nikon Z system seemed to have went the same route with making the camera less tall and that usually affects the grip but I preferred the grip on the Nikon Z system over the Sony cameras. I got the FX30 and the grip on that one feels good. Maybe it has to do with it using smaller size lens. On the screen, I was surprised at how the camera screens on Sony cameras were, based on the fact they make phones with much better screens. FX30 screen looks like the Nikon but not as bright and large, would have been great if the gave it the one on the A7RV, maybe next time. I’m thinking about getting the A7RV but I’m waiting to see what Nikon brings out first. I like a lot of the features on the A7RV and that new screen is great, it’s now at 3.2” which matches my Nikon’s but I’m not fully sold on Sony yet. I don’t like the menu system and the control layout but, I could get used to that. I just think the Nikon has better ergonomics, menu system and weather sealing. Sony’s has some great tech in their camera, Nikon could use that in theirs. Great info in the video, thanks.
same. i use big lenses though, i can't grip a sony, it's pathetic really. I made the switch to Z and even though they are smaller, and i see that as a disadvantage, because of pure ergonomics, they still have the best ergonomics out of all the mirrorless cameras. I even have a GFX50s and the Z's edge it too on ergonomics. Plus nikon just has better raw files, it is what it is.
@@Juventinos I shoot .HIF, concert to .TIFF and edit in Capture NX. I haven’t used Lightroom in years, so cancelled the subscription. I’m doing more videos now for YT, can’t see paying the money and not using it. Nikon files look better in NX as well.
I switched to Sony in 2020 thanks in part to going to Creative Space 2019 and finding a NEX-5T with kit lens and battery for $12 at a thrift store. The main reason for the switch was the availability of used and third party lenses that offer similar quality at affordable prices. Canon and NIkon’s Mirrorless offerings at the time didn’t have any of that but Sony did and I wanted to switch to the future which is Mirrorless. I went from Nikon to Sony and I never looked back. I have an A7III which is my workhorse, 2 used prime lenses (55mm 1.8 and 85mm 1.8), and a Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 which I upgraded from the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 that I got with my A7III in 2020. Can and should there be improvements with Sony cameras and lenses? Yes, and hell yes. Make the firmware updates more frequent and add features to existing cameras to keep their value up. Also, release a new APS-C camera plus new ergonomics on all the bodies. Am I going back to NIkon? Probably not, especially since I invested my money in E-mount glass and I’m starting to get into video which I will say is light years ahead of the video I used to do on my old Nikon D7000. Also 0:16 & 15:04 : good to see her again!
how about this for an end card. " And remember, stay focused *finger does the shutter button motion add sound effect and snap to black* " it's a pun so it's the right amount of cheesy. but it could also be a mantra
We should start a livestream show together, the Armenio & Latino talk gear. lol 🤣🤣🤣 Would be off the cuff no holds barred anything goes show. gear, sports, life talk. 2 dudes from opposite coasts. think about it, Raw talk x10.
This video is so helpful man. Really appreciate seeing a highly respected pro’s take, especially when you have extensive experience with both Sony and Canon. And loved the low key honest outro 😂
I found you honest and the video was really interesting. I truly believe opinions like this. I'm not a Sony user, but Sony is always a reference once you are looking for improving your gear. And products announcement videos on a side and marketing on a side, this is what someone should really consider. To me, the most important thing is the enviroment and the lenses. I would never jump to Nikon Z or Canon R until the contemporary prime lenses by Sigma and Tamron zoom lenses are being confirmed and created. In the other hand, even when the ergonomics for instance are not good in Sony, Sony has done a really good point that other brands had not: they have show their customers that they listen to them. They give what they are asked for. And there is no comparison for that.
Tint deviations. Grey cards were developed for exposure, not tint, originally. If you want to analyze tint differences, you have to shoot a reference card with both grey scale and color patches. It will inform you about correct exposure too. And usable dynamic range. Something like the ColorChecker Passport - like it says, passport sized plastic booklet. There's an app with such a card that will analyze your shot and create an ICC profile file that you can import in e.g. Lightroom. Note that tint differences can be caused by lenses too. (Having shot Nikon for the past over 40 years, that was a recurring rant about the F mount glass. The Z system's "S" class lenses totally fix that. A reason for me to never go 3rd party, next to robustness and the brand's honest integrity in its approach to things that need to be fixed under warranty even when the formal period is over.) If you create such a reference shot, then be aware that it is the combined reference for the light at that moment, the specific camera and lens that you were using. Potentially your lens could have very faint changes depending on aperture and distance settings too, depending on its design and complexity. As to tint differences in the studio, classical tungsten lamps drop in color temperature when they age. Strobes and speedlights may vary in color temperature and tint in several ways. The first strobe manufacturer to address this, some 40 years ago, was Swiss "Bron" of the "broncolor" strobe packs and heads. They figured out how to get stable color temperature with varying flash intensity from the heads and also figured out how to get the fastest (shortest duration) flashes with precision. Some "Pro" brand was only able to fix that in the past 10 years. And the cheap Chinese ones actually seem to have figured this out for some of their products, but that's a matter of testing too. LED constant lights, including ones that may be able to flash at a higher output, all need monitoring of their white balance and tint too, especially when they can be set to different levels. Bottom line, color and tint are a "feel" thing and that's how we work with it. So why alls the fuss about tint differences and how to correct them? Well, correction to our preferred "feel" in a consistent way between shots made with different tools and different light sources is easier and faster when we can start with a neutral starting point. Shoot a series of shots with a lens in a setting and at some point shoot the reference card. Reference cards also give you a problem because they want you to change everything towards "neutral". Imagine your sunset shots loosing their warmth - through a shift towards blue. As in sunset the shade is extremely blue already, a shift towards blue makes any shade in the shot more blue. Our tools don't help us with that and we must figure out ways to deal with that ourselves. Do you shoot raw? Only? Then note that your camera's settings for white balance and tint do not change the image data. WB, tint, ISO, are only meta data and dictate e.g. Lightroom how to open/display your file. I generally set my camera to "Cloudy" white balance. This is the camera's assumption of the most neutral light source. It means that my image potentially opens too blue for my liking when it was shot in the tropics at midday - even when the light at that time in that place actually was like that. If you shoot raw + JPEG, then it's a different story. If the JPEGs need to be used commercially SOOC, then I would still use the color reference card to adjust WB & tint in camera, with or without a tethered computer. As to the ColorChecker Passport, these things are not cheap and both touching the patches with your hands and exposure to light, will speed up ageing and the need for replacement. The honeybadger don't care macho photographers in YT videos manhandling those things earn too much money influencing, apparently. And then there is the occasional model in such videos carefully avoiding to touch the color patches - the sign of a pro.
Thanks Manny! I've been a GH5 user since years now, and the current crop of Sony cameras is the one that is really tempting me, with the a7S III and a7 IV providing all that I wanted in the video space. I might still find my way to Sony, but going to the Panasonic S line as of now. Excellently built cameras. Thanks again for the Sony outlook though, you have definitely got the GAS wheels turning again
@@Random-yz8gb Sounds good to me. If you need a wider lens have a look at the 9 mm or 12 mm lenses. The Olympus 12 is a great little lens, for example. Or even the Lumix 12-35 (2nd gen ideally, but even gen 1 works well. The 3rd gen is out now). You can get the 12-35 pretty cheap in used market and the lens IS combined with body IS makes it a superb vlogging lens :)
@@jayforcinema yeah I couldn't decide between lumix 12 35 for like 400 dollars either v1 or 2 it was. Or to get sigma 16mm f1.4 for 250. Like I really want a fast lens but the convenience of the 12 35 and ibis makes me want it, but the 2.8 just isn't comparable to 1.4. Actually the 12 35 v1 is also around 250 but I drill can't decide
@@Random-yz8gb That's fair enough, deciding between zoom and prime is always a personal choice. Sigma will be a 32 mm full frame equivalent. If that is wide enough for your needs, go for it. Otherwise have a look at the 12 mm Olympus or even the new 9 mm Panasonic. Lots of options even beyond these :)
I have been following your channel ever since you first created it and I always appreciate your true, hands-on perspective on gear and on the art of photography. Your success is well deserved brother.
Great video Manny! I actually prefer these slightly longer videos, and I think the time and effort you put into your work is amazing… big respect. I wonder how you think the Fujifilm X-H2S stacks up to some of the bodies you mentioned? Obviously the Fujifilm lens lineup although improved significantly (the new primes and the video centric 18-120mm PZ) still lacks behind Sony and the same is true for autofocus… but the features on the X-H2S are incredible. I’ve actually seen a few pro videographers switch from RED’s etc to it - maybe it’s not what you want from a camera for the reasons in the video (totally fair) but is Fujifilm now a legitimate option for videographers and hybrid shooters now for the first time in your opinion? Have a great day 👍
I fully agree on the FW updates, it makes you feel cheated when a cheaper camera gets a feature and your flagship doesn’t, even though it’s not an old model that’s already been replaced. But, to play a little devil’s asvocate, the argument could be made that if you were willing to pay x amount for it as it was/is, then that feature set was worth said amount for you and giving you more isn’t necessary. PS: Canon R5 was intentionally crippled for overheating at launch; they didn’t really update it, but rather unlocked it, cause people were outraged.
Maybe I will prefer canon? Just for ease of use. I want a good screen and I don’t want to have to edit the color a bunch afterwards. I want to just record my products and I want them to look the way they look in reality.
I don’t know exactly when I started following you. But man you have shown how much hard work pays off. The quality of your videos from not just visual but the output of information you provide for us has dramatically improved. You have been one of my favorite RUclips channels and I would say you made my decision to Sony the right one. As someone who cannot afford more then one system Sony ended being the right choice for me and my wallet lol. Maybe one day as I progress I’ll get to have all the toys I want but for now Sony works for me and everything you stated about the cons I wish will be something they fix in there future cameras. Best wishes as always thank you for all your hard work you do and like everyone here I’m sure greatly appreciate it.
Manny I've been watching hour channel for years. You're work has always been amazing and you're work is art. You can make anything look amazing regardles of which brand platform you use.
I switched to Sony from Nikon mirrorless because of the amazing autofocus Sony has. My A7riv, A7iv, and A9 truly impress me with their autofocus. Its that good. The lens selections are definitely a bonus with third party lenses. Companies like Samyang are coming out with really quality lenses for budget lenses and Sigma’s 85 f1.4 dg dn is almost as good as my Sony 135 GM. But the LCD screens are definitely piss poor. No doubt about it. What really is a turn off for me is the the price for CF Express Type A cards are outrageous!!! Why dont they switch to Type B cards???? $175 for an 80gb card!!?? $360 for a 160gb card!!?? Nope i cant do it. I bought one 80gb card just to use in my a7iv to use some of the Video options. Onther then that i use UHS-II cards. This is my biggest con by sony
Hey Manny not sure if you discovered this feature on the Sony A7RV. But the feature it has is to take a picture of your subject and then the setting the AI can be selected to only focus on that person no matter where they are in the frame. This would help in the focusing. I seen this on a video . Maybe when you ggget more time on the A7RV you can find it. Let me know if you do find this. sorry just finished the video so seen you talk about this.
He touches on it briefly at 11:22 (I also would appreciate more info on his experience with it but I’m pointing this out to say he does know about that feature)
When i had the A7iv i instantly fell in love with the bird eye autofocus, especially in video mode. Being so excited, i sold it pretty quickly bought an A1, and after shooting stills with it for two or 3 months i realized it didnt have bird AF in video mode. When i confronted Sony about it, they said it did (support don't know what they are doing).
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Sony pls listen to a pro photographer of 8-yrs and crush those cons.
He's been shooting a lot longer than that, he just switched to Sony 8 years ago
I'm all with him there. Specially the ergonomics. Man Sony 99/77 and other slt cameras felt even better than Canon and Nikon! And firmware update is so essential even for lower tier models. This helps with the user trust to stay with the brand.
Totally agreed. Better screen, better firmware update, better ergo.
Lots of us still using a7iii, hoping can do eye AF video firmware update + touch menu/zoom etc.
@@ridzbaha618he issue is the processor in the camera. It’s a significantly weaker processor that limits what it can do. I have an a7iii and an a7siii, it’s a tad annoying that my siii doesn’t have some of the same features, but it’s like 4 years old now lol.
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As a Sony and Canon shooter myself, you were the first RUclipsr I followed for camera techniques and everyday photography work back in early 2019. Haven't missed a video since. Keep doing what you do. Peace, blessings and cheers to more of your content 🤙
I am looking to buy the canon r6 markii or the sony a7iv. Super confused, which one I should go for? I am 60% still photographer and 40% videographer.
@@atmadeepsen i honestly dont know anything about the r6 but i know sony is really good for video
@@jediae Not a chance, the R6II has much better autofocus, it uses the whole sensor in video and stills, does not have the 4k crop and does not overheat.
Really, canon has better auto focus than Sony? If yes, probably I will go with canon
Hello, I think your analysis is great and what you have finally noticed using the Sony system. I think the vast majority agree that what is failing in Sony is to see more updates on our cameras, especially those that are older. range, I have the a7 s3 and a7iv.. I also hope that they finally make those small updates. I have very new cameras and they are missing those things that could improve the satisfaction of having this equipment... since I have gone through previous models and I have that same session that they get some update for our cameras hahaha, greetings bro!
Agreed with everything you said! Sony should definitely focus on ergonomics and LCD screen in their upcoming cameras.
And the EVF also. R5 has way better EVF than A1 (i have both).
I agree on all points. For me the biggest let down is the lack of timely firmware updates. Hoping Sony can improve on this soon
Sony wants sell new cameras. Not free updates
@@internetuseraccount no. Watch Manny's video again and perhaps Gerrard Undone. You are the one confused
@@robbycastillo7862 you mean Gerald Undone 😂
@@internetuseraccount stop trolling, companies can definitely add new features via updates. Look at the Update that added Timelapse to the A7iii, that i was really happy about.
@@ipadize yes! My bad
Nice one Manny. Lots of good points. On the ergonomics, I used the Peak Design Clutch V3 and it solves a lot of those feel issues. I can walk with the 200-600mm hanging off my finger tips and I know it's secure (and I'm and old geezer). Lenses - yes, yes, yes. Don't forget Voigtlanders - put one on and you have a Leica! Keep shooting from the lip - it's more fun and comes from the heart which is very you. 💪🏾💪🏾
Got my first Sony this week and my pinky seem to have no place to grip like other cameras. Does the Peak Design Clutch hinder button reach?
@Battlem0nk this is an issue I had with my A7III cause im a 6 foot 4 inch monster aka 193cm tall so big hands. The A7IV fixed that problem for me lol
@@johncastle95 I still have that issue with my A7iv but I'm a chunky boi and tall as well. I get around with that by using the vertical grip (as I'm mostly shooting portraits) or the Smallrig L bracket when I'm out doing landscape etc
@@Battlem0nk chunky handed guy here that's only ever shot MFT, Fuji and now Sony. I guess having never held Canon and Nikon I just hold the camera differently and never think about the free pinky. I almost feel like I'm griping a baseball with my first 3 and thumb and it ends up feeling normal for me. I guess using Canon or Nikon would ruin that for me. 🤣
I just switched to a7iii. Don’t have budget for more. I really like it. And i like stuff that you don’t like about it. Still have to learn a lot and get used to a lot of stuff but i love it. Can’t say a lot about all the newer high end stuff because i just don’t have the money. Maybe in the future when i start earning money with photography
This video wasn't too long at all, really useful to. I've always appreciated your honesty and expertise.
Marry Christmas, to you and your family, Manny.
16:40 The aWB changes slightly when you switch from vertical to horizontal on all my Sony. I keep testing and it keeps being true (yes even when the same in the frame). Many reported seeing that too - weird!
Dude no way. I will try as well
Thank you for the Canon and Sony pros and cons videos.
Cons: Terrible ibis and color science, expensive CF-express type a cards, garbage screens
Pros: Everything else
SOOC color science I agree but when using a grey card, they are all nearly the same. Thing is Canon and Nikon IBIS aren’t that much better. Canon is good until you use a wide angle lens and then the wobble destroys the footage. Nikon (Z9) has a problem with over correction and it will jerk the footage when doing certain panning motions. Sony IBIS up until the A7RV isn’t amazing but they don’t have those issues
@@MannyOrtiz Too many micro jitters in the Sony when handheld. I'd take the wobble any day since it's at the edge of the frame instead the whole screen looking shaky on the Sony.
@@kifley19 that’s fair
@@kifley19 I'm the opposite. jitters are way more tolerable than those wobble. Even in cinema you can see those shakes in some action scenes deliberately. But never seen a wobble in cinema. Ergonomics is yet my biggest con
I've only been shooting with Sony for 2 years now, but I can say that you've nailed... especially when you mentioned the grip and the Sigma 85mm Art. Beautiful lens - possibly the best 85mm I've ever used - but man it catches knuckles when you're throwing it about!
I didn’t understand about the White balance did Manny say using a Grey card or Great card and does that actually make a difference , if so which one to buy someone pls explain ?
Oh well I'm still stuck in the time warp with my Sony A330. Lovely presentation and informative.
THAMK U for all your hard work all the best for 2023
14:55 ugh I have an a7iii and coming from my iPhone, laptop, or monitor, I can't use it most of the time. the evf looks so much better because the highlights are rich softer, and tethered to my laptop the highlights are so much softer
Sup man, not sure if you remember me but I delivered KFC to you a couple times back when I did my grub hub gig. Cool to see you still posting bro, keep up the good work 😎
Yes, it was helpful. I'm a begginer, I don't do video and I wanted to buy sony 7RIII, but finally I decided to get canon R6.
Yes I get less mpx and less lens options, but what made me change my mind was the color science.
I shoot makeup and makeup products so it was important for me to get the best colors I can get, cause it would drive me crazy to constantly look for and fix colors.
And im happy with colors that R6 gives me, if I do product swatches the files straight out of the camera are identical to colors in real life, so I don't have to change anything.
Too bad we can't get everything good in one brand 😪 I wish it was possible
15:34 LOL...felt your pain.
Chuck Liddell! So sick!
Great video! Thank you. I love my A7SIII for video and photography. I also want those firmware updates and it’s Krayzie that it hasn’t been updated.
When you said "I hate saying
Do one for Canon.
And please include a rant about 3rd party lenses.
Your editing skills are off the chart Manny
when you can speak this well without a script, that's the passion coming out
Add a couple of Buttery LUTs on that FX3. Natural Rec 709 is gorgeous. Solid breakdown man!
Yepp, biggest issues with Sony is the low quality LCD screen and the FW update situation, they need to adress this as soon as possible ...fully agree
ok lets go....
1) 2:00 you need in studio 12800 iso really? and AF? use better lighting and manual focus since you are alone on a slider.... why i talk about you, you will find out in number 8...
2) 3:52 applying a LUT in a file dosnt make it color graded.....
3) 5:00 there is a FULL FRAME camera with 1500$ that CAN shoot 10bit 4k INTERNAL(4.2.2)..... man how is it possible that you say such a thing....and its called Panasonic S5...and does it the last 3 years with no update ...man you expose yourself saying that there is no other camera.....
4) 6:10 you probably dont know it but this design in the screen was firstly in the S1h...
5) 6:30 there are 1.8 glass with Panasonic and SIgma 2.8 under 500$ and other 3rd party lenses....unbelievable... but its true E-mount has more lenses but, has it better lenses? that what you should ask yourself mate....
6) 9:00 difference is that in Panasonic they make small lenses at 1.8 with no breathing....
7) 10:00 thats the only reason to buy a SONY
8) 10:36 we dont know you but you choosed to expose yourself and talk about things that most people dont know and take your opinion to buy stuff and probably or you dont care or you get money from companies to promote their stuff.... so even if we dont know you we can critisize WHAT you say...if you dont like that then maybe you shouldnt be on youtube posting videos
9) 12:20 really? what feature did they make lately that makes you so excited to shoot? the fact that they correct a lens problem digitally? man thats a problem they can fix in lens .... i cant believe you people prefer worse items that are fixed in camera than just a good item....thats not innovation mate.... trust me
10) If you havent used other cameras than sony nikon and canon PLEASE dont make BIG statements about things you only use ..... you sounds to people that know, hilarious and saddly people that dont know believe you....
i Hope you get that video down and remake it because before i watch this i can that i found some of your videos interesting.... but after this .....man ....
I have no affiliation with any company and i use them all as tools... even sony...hahah...but really i hate sony youtubers...sorry lads but you are like an epidemic....
btw this video was not helpful in addition it was irritating thats why i spent 10 minutes of my life writing this message.
And lastly this message is NOT a hate message, is a reality message mate, think about it ;)
We use 5 Sony cameras for our videos (FX3, a7siii, a7iv, a6600, & a6400)! Having the 3 full-frame cameras match is perfect!
Yes, this video helps...I just left Nikon (D750) and picked up the A7RV after waiting forever for Nikon to give me something I wanted to upgrade to. I've been a looooong hold out just because I was trying to stick with Nikon at the under $4K price range and eye-auto focus is super important to me as well as 3rd party lens options without adapting. I'm sure they'll catch up soon, but they just took too long for me and they still won't have 3rd party lens options fast enough. Your video makes me feel confident in my switch and my choice in camera model.
Have u looked at the Nikon z62 And z72?
@@msonufriychuk yea I’ve used the z6 II and just wasn’t that impressed. I would’ve been open to a z8 or z6 or 7 III but they just took too long and I can’t wait any longer so I jumped ship. Also still no 3rd party lens options anytime soon.
I switched to Sony from Canon, and I like it mostly, but I think it's lacking in three things. First, I think they need more good first-party consumer-level primes. There isn't a good cheap prime lens other than maybe the 28mm f/2; in just a few years, Canon has 16mm f/2.8, 24mm f/2, and 35mm f/1.8, which I absolutely love. Second, I think 10 fps is embarrassing on a modern camera. I understand that a few years ago, 10 fps limit was understandable on a high-res camera, but it's 2022 now and R5/6 have existed for 2 years, and shown that 20 fps is doable in 2020 technology. It seems like 10 fps limit is an artificial limitation to sell the A1 and A9; we should reasonably expect 15-20 fps by now on all $2k+ cameras. Third, like you said, I feel like lower tiered but newer cameras are often so much better featured than the higher tiered cameras, which makes shopping weird. I could imagine saving up for an A1, only to see the A7R V have better video features, better screen mechanism, better ergonomics, better menus, etc. Sure, some of the things like AI AF or physical controls can't be brought to an older camera, but some fraction of the features should be ported to the more expensive camera. Also, the A7 IV and A1 came out the same year, yet I feel like A7 IV has a much better control scheme; why couldn't they have waited to bring A7 IV's ergonomics to the A1, really not sure. Anyway, it's a good system, but I have my frustrations with Sony.
I was hoping you were going to roast Sony for requiring us to tether the cameras to a computer to update the firmware. To me that's a huge PITA.
I came to the A1 for the 1/400 sync speed... felt this was largely overlooked but I love it
I’m going to talk about it in my A1 vs A7RV vid. I wish the A7RV had it.
We started getting more serious about photography and videography in late 2019 and it was your channel that really got us into using Sony. An A7III, RIII and an SIII later we're still loving our Sonys! Thanks Manny!
How does Sony do in the cold? I have used an A7siii inside and the battery level dropped fast. I just bought a Z9 and was shooting an outside holiday concert. It was 1 degree Farenheit and I had zero issues. Meanwhile a fellow photographer could not even get his Canon to work in the cold. I have not found another brand rated to handle the cold like the Nikon Z9. The colors I am getting out of this camera is the best I have ever seen, especially with florescent light. I also have a Canon 80d.
I personally shoot Sony, but I have been playing with the Z9 and it's probably my favorite camera from the big 3. I don't know how Nikon pulled it off so damn good.
Smooth edges, flippy screens, sexy lenses vs true profesional cameras.
this really makes me want to sell my A7R3 for the RV. I'm just in love with the 42mp sensor.
As always thank you for the video and the effort. Just a few comments (or feedback). I only compare the Sony’s ergo to the EOS R3 and Z9 when I use it with its battery grip on the A1, A9x, and 7Rx as well as I’ve used the Z9 and 1Dx. On my A1s I have VG-C4EM grips on them. Also fine with CFexpress Type A but not at its current price point when compared with Type B. Is there any justification for its 2x price? Finally the new colors of the A7RV and A7 IV are finally there which is why I added the latest RV. Keep sharing your thought and letting Sony know firmware updates are important.
I have Sony and use Sony but truth have to be said, I hate the idea of having a crappy screen in a $6,500 camera like the A1, I hate that Sony is SO stubborn on keep cheaping out on the screen. A $3,900 Canon R5 has a MUCH superior and adequate screen to a so called professional camera.
As someone who is tying to decide what brand of camera they want, videos like this one are very helpful. It's always nice to get candid, this is my opinion over the more formalized "review", especially when it is about a brand ecosystem over just a single model.
Smart thing to do
Any camera made in the last 10 years is sufficient honestly. It just depends on which tailors to your needs the best. I still say a used a7Riii is the best camera for the money to anyone trying to get into Sony on a limited budget.
@manny Ortiz fab video you hit it all on the head there i have used sony sinse they took over konika minolta and worked through the bodies slowly theres a lot to say from where i started and progressed through the early range into the new stuff and i may even do a video on it but you deffo hit the nail on the head. happy christmas.
When I got my A6300 I got back into photography after many years.
Was on the wait list for a couple months.
Loved my Canon A-1 film cameras, superb 35 mm for film. Particularly B/W.
Then I had kids and processing film was unaffordable.
Unfortunately my A6300 ended up in the pet's H2O bowl. I will buy another Sony, probably an A7C unless they want me to "test one"...
My main con is fragility. Camera rolled off my bag and the viewfinder glass broke. I've only invested in three lens, only AF is preventing me from going back to Nikon or even doing a whole different switch to Canon if they are more rugged.
Thanks for your honest opinions 😊
I’m a Fuji user, former Nikon DSLR user, and I was at a crossroad this summer when the X-H2S was announced. I was yearning for better battery life and better AF and the X-H2S was supposed to deliver it. But, it was the same price as the new Sony A7IV. My dilemma was dumping all of my Fuji gear and getting into a new system or sticking with Fuji. I didn’t go for a new system various reasons, with the main one being cost and size of full frame glass. I did end up getting the X-H2S and I hands down don’t regret my decision. It’s been a game changer for my work.
There was a touch and try event for the X-H2S at my local camera shop and I went. I already pre-ordered the camera in case I wanted it I wouldn’t have to wait to get it. I was going to decide if I was going to keep my pre-order or not after the event. After the event was done I played with the other big name full frame mirrorless cameras. I agree with Manny about the Canon R5 feeling the best in the hand and I too have always despised the grip and hand clearance of the Sony A7 bodies. Even the point of low clearance for your fingers with a larger lens was deal breaker for me every time I tried one out. I didn’t mind the ergonomics of the Nikon. At the end of the day I couldn’t stomach the price of the Canon R5, the Nikon lens line up was a bit underwhelming and I hate the grip of the Sony cameras. I’m glad this video was posted because it still reminds me why I stayed with Fuji. I was honest with myself about what worked and what didn’t and I’m so glad I stayed with Fuji. If I had to come up with a perfect system for myself it would be a Sony camera body and lens line up withe the body having the hand grip of the Canon R5 and shutter/button placement of the Fuji X-H2S.
The main thing I took from this is that you like Canon better, and the R5 is the perfect camera, but you still keep grabbing that Sony…
100%
I've enjoyed your videos for years and seeing your progress as a photographer. I started shooting Sony with the A7. Kind of funny now that the knock on Sony was a lack of lenses. But, Sony was first with mirrorless and Nikon and Canon had to play catch up. Since I do very little video, the A7R4 is pretty much the perfect camera for me and I have two of them. I like the depth of the grip and I hate flippy screens. I hope Sony always has a camera designed primarily for photographers. Happy holidays to you and your family.
Sony's firmware updates are a joke. I don't know if I'd recommend Sony because of this.
I’m with you Manny. Had the A7SIII (best low light) and A7R4 then upgraded to the A1 and all my glass is Sony (except the 85 sigma).
The A1 is an amazing camera but I feel you on the frustration with the price and lack of features it should have (that tilt screen on the A7R5 tho). So many things Sony needs to do to be a damn near perfect company but yet they are still content with complacency.
Love the vids and keep them coming.
It's hard to say something at the end of speach. Definately, this video is so helpful!! BTW, do you like the new menu system?
I agree. I haven’t had the opportunity to shoot the a1 and a7rv but I have shot with almost everything else since the release of the a7rii. Sony haves something for almost every category with a ton of lens options. I came from Nikon and Canon and quickly adopted Sony when eye af was mentioned with the a7rii. Owning other mirrorless brands, Fujifilm, Nikon and Canon I can see the lack of firmware updates being a nuisance. I too think that firmware updates for new features should trickle down to Sony’s more premium lineups (a1, a7r, a7s, a9). Great video with many valid points. Hopefully Sony listens and makes some adjustments for it’s many users.
Bro the new tech part is what made me runaway from Sony. They can simply solve this with firmware updates, but no, they release a whole new camera with that feature... I switched to Panasonic after 16 years of being a Sony user and I don't think I'm going back to Sony. The value for the price that lumix provides is simply incomparable. You talk about Canon and Nikon and overlooked Panasonic. There's no point on having all the collection of lenses if you won't use 90% of them. I owned 29 lenses and 80% of the time I would use 2 of them only and three more 15% of the time. Then the 5% left would be for the rest of the 24 other lenses. The cameras Lumix release are genuine improvements and the Lumix S lenses are much better value than the Sony ones, providing the same performance for much less money 🤌🏻🤌🏻
Nice one. Waiting for the fuji 👍
I love my A7RIV - Truly the perfect camera for me. I can’t envision ever upgrading again & I learned to live with the terrible menus & out-of-camera color defects, which are easily correctible in raw. However, I had the a7c for a short while, and that was the perfect travel & street camera, except the viewfinder was atrocious. If Sony fixes that (ie enlarge it & include an eye cup), then I may buy it again. Maybe you can talk about that in another video & put a bug in Sony’s ear? Thanks for the video.
Out-of-camera color defect… so true compared to canon r5. Waste of time to get excellent colors with great difficulties
What would you recommend I go for between the Salon 5D Mark IV and Sony A7 III, primarily for photography?
Based on specs alone, I could have gone from Canon to Sony when I went mirrorless. But when I picked up an A7 III, my hand almost literally rebelled. To me, Canons just feel right in the hand. They're easy to use. They just work So I waited for the R6 and R5.
Now, I wish Canon could match Sony's lens lineup, including 3rd party. And I love that new 4-axis LCD. But I married the Canon lens ecosystem and, as a hobbyist, that's the biggest driver. TBF I already own all the glass I really need anyway. Everything else is just want.
Finally, someone who agrees that Sony cameras have too small a space between lens and grip. Anyone who mentions this on camera/photography forums usually gets shot down with ‘you must have gorilla hands’. No, I’ve got hands as small as a woman and you just can’t put a large lens on the body and hold it comfortably. Even small lenses are knuckle grazers. No matter how good the specs or ecosystem if the camera has bad ergonomics then it is useless as you don’t want to use it. This obsession with small that the first mirrorless cameras started needs to stop. Light weight is good, small is not.
Very helpful. And I like the off the cuff opinions that don’t sound rehearsed. This was more like a conversation. It literally put to bed deciding the camera I’m going to get next because of some of your points and the fact I don’t really want more than one camera. I’m not a pro, but have definitely come across the issues you mention but most of the time, I thought it was just me. Thanks for the validation and your opinion based on a wealth of experience!
Three months after my first a7S3, I bought a second a7S3. After I bought and used the a1 for 8K video, I realized how good the 4k video was on the a7S3 so I bought a third a7S3. I'm always impressed with the images that come out of the a7S3 compared to my a7iii, a7R3 and even the a1.
Damn, somone got money lol
wow!........i got one too but, i just bought a fx3 two days ago! my question is, why not an fx3?
@@Jazzmarcel Two reasons for a7S3: (1) I got them on Greentoe for $3000 (my 3rd) and $3200 (my 2nd). I paid full price for the 1st but I had to have it via the pre-order. (2) I wanted a camera that looked like a DSLR for stealth work. When people see the a7s3 body they assume it's a DSLR for photos not videos.
@@poman911 jackpot!......I just got an fx3 (along with an a7s III )and I walked into a bar with it a was filming and nobody even questioned me! Surely It looks like a beginner base model camera to everyone!
@@sig310 I sold my 2018 Chevy Bolt back to Chevy due to the battery recall in 2022 for what I paid in 2018. Used the money to buy the alpha cameras!
Some valid points.. but I find Canon cameras so much better built and durable. As well as being made in Japan.
Sorry Canon always roles onto your lips but it is what it is. Late into the mirrorless game, we're talking 3 years while Sony have been on it over a decade! Yet, Conon swept the industry by storm. Look what they did from EOS R to R3
And nikons for negatives
A7Rv or A7iv? Make a video comparing those two. I am confused
Man that is some pretty serious gear, it's completely understandable you would have a collection of tools that fit your diverse workflow, I am similarily equiped for my occupation as well, it's just not as a Photographer or Cinematographer. I think you make a really strong point about the need for Sony to make Firmware updates for people with flagship cameras when they introduce a new pro-sumer model with new features. Most deffinitly the A7SIII and FX3 AND 30 for sure as well as the A1. I have shot for more than 30 years now as an avid hobbyist after taking photography in highschool so I have great appreciation for everything you are talking about technically, I have never taken my Photography to the level that you work at now, for me it has always been a costly obsession, well maybe more a form of therapy and personal interest. I'm in a different place looking through the lens, I see the world in a different way, more closely, with more tactile awareness of asthetics and design ellements that highlight the essence and appeal of the subject. The way these tools make it possible to capture those ellements and asthetics is vividly appearent to me and for the most part Sony has had me thinking hard about opening up my relationship with Canon. I'm not saying I'd switch and dump my Canon gear, but for high res image quality I have been waiting for Canon to produce a BSI sensor with no AA filter and something around 50mp or better for a while. It's crazy to see all that Sony has brought to market in the last 5 or 6 years, and how fast and far they have pulled into the lead for technology and specs.
I'm not one to envy anyone's highlight reel, at least not without real appreciation for the mess on their cutting room floor, which is to say I fully appreciate the thousands of hours invested in honing your craft and hustling to get the work, but it is pretty sweat to see some of that gear and day dream about what it's capable of. The truth is at the end of the day there are times when the S22Ultra in my pocket is the most amazing piece of tech I could dream of.
Anyway I'm rambling, thanks for posting this, it's awsome to get a real world hands on review of the pragmatic application for these tools and how they compare to each other.
Totally agree with the Firmware stuff. Why are they not updating the flagship cameras?
I LOVE watching your videos!!!!
As for the number of cameras Sony make, it’s incredibly overwhelming as a new photographer to get a feeling for the whole line up! There are so many versions with almost identical names… but the lens ecosystem is what got me to go Sony, I have a mix of Sony, Sigma and Samyang lenses, they all perform amazing at what I need from a camera
Not really, their naming scheme in Camera's is best compared to their naming scheme for other products eg. Headphones. In Camera's A7S for Sensitivity (Video), A7R for Resolution (Photo), Regular A7 for Hybrid. A7C for compact, A6xxx for APSC, FX for Cinema line, etc etc
I love your videos and always find the lighting setups in particular really helpful as someone newer to photography. Wish I had a full-time model to test out ideas on like you do in your partner and amazed always at the quality of images you both achieve, keep it up!
First of all Thank you so much for being my inspiration sir ❤️🙏 I've been following your channel for many years now, I am also a professional photographer in India learning from you with your every video. I can't say enough thanks to you. I wish someday I'll also have my own studio space and would love to shoot the way you do. 🙏 Keep making awesome videos. You are the best and your channel is the best channel regarding photoshoots knowledge on RUclips . Thank you 🤗
Don't you dare second guess yourself for a second about how long your vids are, or about what your saying to us Manny. We are here for who you are and don't ever change!
For me, every time I watch you , its like watching a mate talk about stuff we like to talk about, could sit here and do it all day... Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Didn’t know you shoot sports. Love it. What body/lens combos do you use for both outdoor and indoor
Great video as usual Manny! Definitely with you on the third party lenses point, that Tamron trinity is 👌
I just recently bought my first Sony camera after shooting on another system for years, and since I wanted to keep the cost low while I just dip my toes in the Sony pond I went with the a7c. Honestly this is the weirdest I've ever felt about a camera in a long while. I get the feeling that a Sony camera is an incredible piece of tech that can do wonders for you, but at the same time kind of hates you. The button placement on the a7c makes no sense (look at where the Menu button is! And that's the button you use to go backwards in the menu...), the design of the camera both from an ergonomic and software standpoint feels almost antagonistic to the user, the camera takes forever to actually boot up (now I understand why Sony shooters keep their cameras on and never turn them off), but once you put in the time and set the camera up, you can at least enjoy the end result (great AF, great dynamic range, etc...), which sort of makes using this pain in the ass of a camera worth it in the end.
Been a Nikon shooter for years and every time I tried a Sony camera, I didn’t like the ergonomics. Nikon Z system seemed to have went the same route with making the camera less tall and that usually affects the grip but I preferred the grip on the Nikon Z system over the Sony cameras. I got the FX30 and the grip on that one feels good. Maybe it has to do with it using smaller size lens. On the screen, I was surprised at how the camera screens on Sony cameras were, based on the fact they make phones with much better screens. FX30 screen looks like the Nikon but not as bright and large, would have been great if the gave it the one on the A7RV, maybe next time.
I’m thinking about getting the A7RV but I’m waiting to see what Nikon brings out first. I like a lot of the features on the A7RV and that new screen is great, it’s now at 3.2” which matches my Nikon’s but I’m not fully sold on Sony yet. I don’t like the menu system and the control layout but, I could get used to that. I just think the Nikon has better ergonomics, menu system and weather sealing. Sony’s has some great tech in their camera, Nikon could use that in theirs. Great info in the video, thanks.
same. i use big lenses though, i can't grip a sony, it's pathetic really. I made the switch to Z and even though they are smaller, and i see that as a disadvantage, because of pure ergonomics, they still have the best ergonomics out of all the mirrorless cameras. I even have a GFX50s and the Z's edge it too on ergonomics. Plus nikon just has better raw files, it is what it is.
@@Juventinos I shoot .HIF, concert to .TIFF and edit in Capture NX. I haven’t used Lightroom in years, so cancelled the subscription. I’m doing more videos now for YT, can’t see paying the money and not using it. Nikon files look better in NX as well.
Great video Manny I shoot Sony since the a100 and now I’m on a a7riv and I love Sony cameras and my 70-200 GM ii is just a game changer 🤩🤩🤩
CONS at 13:30
Thanks, God! He needs to know how to get right to the point.
I switched to Sony in 2020 thanks in part to going to Creative Space 2019 and finding a NEX-5T with kit lens and battery for $12 at a thrift store. The main reason for the switch was the availability of used and third party lenses that offer similar quality at affordable prices. Canon and NIkon’s Mirrorless offerings at the time didn’t have any of that but Sony did and I wanted to switch to the future which is Mirrorless. I went from Nikon to Sony and I never looked back. I have an A7III which is my workhorse, 2 used prime lenses (55mm 1.8 and 85mm 1.8), and a Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 which I upgraded from the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 that I got with my A7III in 2020. Can and should there be improvements with Sony cameras and lenses? Yes, and hell yes. Make the firmware updates more frequent and add features to existing cameras to keep their value up. Also, release a new APS-C camera plus new ergonomics on all the bodies. Am I going back to NIkon? Probably not, especially since I invested my money in E-mount glass and I’m starting to get into video which I will say is light years ahead of the video I used to do on my old Nikon D7000.
Also 0:16 & 15:04 : good to see her again!
It was alright. Not too long actually. Great video mate.
Totally agreed.
how about this for an end card. " And remember, stay focused *finger does the shutter button motion add sound effect and snap to black* " it's a pun so it's the right amount of cheesy. but it could also be a mantra
I got the a7rv a few months ago, switched from R5 and alot of nice RF L glass.. im missing the AF of the canon so mutch...
We should start a livestream show together, the Armenio & Latino talk gear. lol 🤣🤣🤣 Would be off the cuff no holds barred anything goes show. gear, sports, life talk. 2 dudes from opposite coasts. think about it, Raw talk x10.
This video is so helpful man. Really appreciate seeing a highly respected pro’s take, especially when you have extensive experience with both Sony and Canon. And loved the low key honest outro 😂
Kuddos to u man. i like the product slider clips. lighting effects on point.
I found you honest and the video was really interesting. I truly believe opinions like this. I'm not a Sony user, but Sony is always a reference once you are looking for improving your gear. And products announcement videos on a side and marketing on a side, this is what someone should really consider.
To me, the most important thing is the enviroment and the lenses. I would never jump to Nikon Z or Canon R until the contemporary prime lenses by Sigma and Tamron zoom lenses are being confirmed and created.
In the other hand, even when the ergonomics for instance are not good in Sony, Sony has done a really good point that other brands had not: they have show their customers that they listen to them. They give what they are asked for. And there is no comparison for that.
The ending LOL 😂 Great video and really good points
Tint deviations. Grey cards were developed for exposure, not tint, originally. If you want to analyze tint differences, you have to shoot a reference card with both grey scale and color patches. It will inform you about correct exposure too. And usable dynamic range. Something like the ColorChecker Passport - like it says, passport sized plastic booklet. There's an app with such a card that will analyze your shot and create an ICC profile file that you can import in e.g. Lightroom. Note that tint differences can be caused by lenses too. (Having shot Nikon for the past over 40 years, that was a recurring rant about the F mount glass. The Z system's "S" class lenses totally fix that. A reason for me to never go 3rd party, next to robustness and the brand's honest integrity in its approach to things that need to be fixed under warranty even when the formal period is over.)
If you create such a reference shot, then be aware that it is the combined reference for the light at that moment, the specific camera and lens that you were using. Potentially your lens could have very faint changes depending on aperture and distance settings too, depending on its design and complexity.
As to tint differences in the studio, classical tungsten lamps drop in color temperature when they age. Strobes and speedlights may vary in color temperature and tint in several ways. The first strobe manufacturer to address this, some 40 years ago, was Swiss "Bron" of the "broncolor" strobe packs and heads. They figured out how to get stable color temperature with varying flash intensity from the heads and also figured out how to get the fastest (shortest duration) flashes with precision. Some "Pro" brand was only able to fix that in the past 10 years. And the cheap Chinese ones actually seem to have figured this out for some of their products, but that's a matter of testing too. LED constant lights, including ones that may be able to flash at a higher output, all need monitoring of their white balance and tint too, especially when they can be set to different levels.
Bottom line, color and tint are a "feel" thing and that's how we work with it. So why alls the fuss about tint differences and how to correct them? Well, correction to our preferred "feel" in a consistent way between shots made with different tools and different light sources is easier and faster when we can start with a neutral starting point. Shoot a series of shots with a lens in a setting and at some point shoot the reference card.
Reference cards also give you a problem because they want you to change everything towards "neutral". Imagine your sunset shots loosing their warmth - through a shift towards blue. As in sunset the shade is extremely blue already, a shift towards blue makes any shade in the shot more blue. Our tools don't help us with that and we must figure out ways to deal with that ourselves.
Do you shoot raw? Only? Then note that your camera's settings for white balance and tint do not change the image data. WB, tint, ISO, are only meta data and dictate e.g. Lightroom how to open/display your file. I generally set my camera to "Cloudy" white balance. This is the camera's assumption of the most neutral light source. It means that my image potentially opens too blue for my liking when it was shot in the tropics at midday - even when the light at that time in that place actually was like that.
If you shoot raw + JPEG, then it's a different story. If the JPEGs need to be used commercially SOOC, then I would still use the color reference card to adjust WB & tint in camera, with or without a tethered computer.
As to the ColorChecker Passport, these things are not cheap and both touching the patches with your hands and exposure to light, will speed up ageing and the need for replacement. The honeybadger don't care macho photographers in YT videos manhandling those things earn too much money influencing, apparently. And then there is the occasional model in such videos carefully avoiding to touch the color patches - the sign of a pro.
Thanks Manny! I've been a GH5 user since years now, and the current crop of Sony cameras is the one that is really tempting me, with the a7S III and a7 IV providing all that I wanted in the video space. I might still find my way to Sony, but going to the Panasonic S line as of now. Excellently built cameras. Thanks again for the Sony outlook though, you have definitely got the GAS wheels turning again
Bro I have gh5 and want sigma 16mm f1.4 do you think that's like good for now? For day to day vlogs and videos
@@Random-yz8gb Sounds good to me. If you need a wider lens have a look at the 9 mm or 12 mm lenses. The Olympus 12 is a great little lens, for example. Or even the Lumix 12-35 (2nd gen ideally, but even gen 1 works well. The 3rd gen is out now). You can get the 12-35 pretty cheap in used market and the lens IS combined with body IS makes it a superb vlogging lens :)
@@jayforcinema yeah I couldn't decide between lumix 12 35 for like 400 dollars either v1 or 2 it was. Or to get sigma 16mm f1.4 for 250. Like I really want a fast lens but the convenience of the 12 35 and ibis makes me want it, but the 2.8 just isn't comparable to 1.4. Actually the 12 35 v1 is also around 250 but I drill can't decide
@@Random-yz8gb That's fair enough, deciding between zoom and prime is always a personal choice. Sigma will be a 32 mm full frame equivalent. If that is wide enough for your needs, go for it. Otherwise have a look at the 12 mm Olympus or even the new 9 mm Panasonic. Lots of options even beyond these :)
Manny I'm seriously considering switching to Sony after the R5 ii announcement missing some key things for me.
I have been following your channel ever since you first created it and I always appreciate your true, hands-on perspective on gear and on the art of photography. Your success is well deserved brother.
Great video Manny! I actually prefer these slightly longer videos, and I think the time and effort you put into your work is amazing… big respect. I wonder how you think the Fujifilm X-H2S stacks up to some of the bodies you mentioned? Obviously the Fujifilm lens lineup although improved significantly (the new primes and the video centric 18-120mm PZ) still lacks behind Sony and the same is true for autofocus… but the features on the X-H2S are incredible. I’ve actually seen a few pro videographers switch from RED’s etc to it - maybe it’s not what you want from a camera for the reasons in the video (totally fair) but is Fujifilm now a legitimate option for videographers and hybrid shooters now for the first time in your opinion?
Have a great day 👍
Coming from Nikon nd I‘m about to switch to Sony for video with an FX3
Me and my new A7III watching🤧🙂
I fully agree on the FW updates, it makes you feel cheated when a cheaper camera gets a feature and your flagship doesn’t, even though it’s not an old model that’s already been replaced.
But, to play a little devil’s asvocate, the argument could be made that if you were willing to pay x amount for it as it was/is, then that feature set was worth said amount for you and giving you more isn’t necessary.
PS: Canon R5 was intentionally crippled for overheating at launch; they didn’t really update it, but rather unlocked it, cause people were outraged.
Maybe I will prefer canon? Just for ease of use. I want a good screen and I don’t want to have to edit the color a bunch afterwards. I want to just record my products and I want them to look the way they look in reality.
I don’t know exactly when I started following you. But man you have shown how much hard work pays off. The quality of your videos from not just visual but the output of information you provide for us has dramatically improved. You have been one of my favorite RUclips channels and I would say you made my decision to Sony the right one. As someone who cannot afford more then one system Sony ended being the right choice for me and my wallet lol. Maybe one day as I progress I’ll get to have all the toys I want but for now Sony works for me and everything you stated about the cons I wish will be something they fix in there future cameras. Best wishes as always thank you for all your hard work you do and like everyone here I’m sure greatly appreciate it.
I tell folks to buy a grip their Sony camera if they dont like the way it feel in their hands. just my opinion.
Manny I've been watching hour channel for years. You're work has always been amazing and you're work is art. You can make anything look amazing regardles of which brand platform you use.
Yes, this video is helpful and I have since sub. 👍
I switched to Sony from Nikon mirrorless because of the amazing autofocus Sony has. My A7riv, A7iv, and A9 truly impress me with their autofocus. Its that good. The lens selections are definitely a bonus with third party lenses. Companies like Samyang are coming out with really quality lenses for budget lenses and Sigma’s 85 f1.4 dg dn is almost as good as my Sony 135 GM. But the LCD screens are definitely piss poor. No doubt about it. What really is a turn off for me is the the price for CF Express Type A cards are outrageous!!! Why dont they switch to Type B cards???? $175 for an 80gb card!!?? $360 for a 160gb card!!?? Nope i cant do it. I bought one 80gb card just to use in my a7iv to use some of the Video options. Onther then that i use UHS-II cards. This is my biggest con by sony
Hey Manny not sure if you discovered this feature on the Sony A7RV. But the feature it has is to take a picture of your subject and then the setting the AI can be selected to only focus on that person no matter where they are in the frame. This would help in the focusing. I seen this on a video . Maybe when you ggget more time on the A7RV you can find it. Let me know if you do find this. sorry just finished the video so seen you talk about this.
He touches on it briefly at 11:22
(I also would appreciate more info on his experience with it but I’m pointing this out to say he does know about that feature)
Especially with the 35mm GM, the focus breathing is not good but I only have a7siii and still not focus breathing :(
When i had the A7iv i instantly fell in love with the bird eye autofocus, especially in video mode. Being so excited, i sold it pretty quickly bought an A1, and after shooting stills with it for two or 3 months i realized it didnt have bird AF in video mode. When i confronted Sony about it, they said it did (support don't know what they are doing).