Timestamps: 0:01 1. I've had it with CUBE Entertainment. 1:06 2. Survival Shows are the only way small companies can survive. 2:37 3. The youngest trainees on survival shows are always the most popular. 2:33 4. Breaking records has become useless. 4:51 5. Having the ability to adapt and adjust your performing style to the country you're performing is an important skill. 5:59 6. Let's review Æspa's "Live my life." 6:42 7. It's crazy how only 4 3rd Gen girl groups are still active. 7:48 8. Sohee from RIIZE is a standout. 8:36 9. Fromis_9's "Unlock my world" album is a standout. 9:24 10. Let's review H1-KEY's comeback with "Let it burn."
4. Totally agree with this. Kpop nowadays is more about making and breaking record than music itself.Fans are just chart obsessed (especially army and blinks). sometimes i feel like these fans think group success/achivement as their own
the fact that cube even did that is wild, and what's the special reward? a photocard or smt💀its insulating to the fans that are so loyal. and 70% of the time the maknaes of kpop groups who are usually minors are the most popular and that puts a pit in my stomach cause the underlining unspoken reason is still so disturbing and loud
3rd gen groups are still active because they have the most established as well as the biggest fanbases. Army, Blinks, Onces, Exols are there and they won't stop supporting their faves at least for the next few years. 4th gen on the other hand don't have that supportive fans. If something more fresh appear, they will change fandoms, plus they spend more time participating in fan wars than streaming their faves music. Plus, 4th gen stans are mostly below the age of 14, meaning they need their parents's money to buy albums, tickets, merchandise while 3th gen stans mostly are around the age of 18, even 20.
how can you not include Reveluvs, Carats, Stays ? These are fandoms of staple groups of 3rd gen. You should've been careful adding the fandom names as per group debut - Exols, Army, Carat, Once etc
I love seing Sohee appreciation :)) i love Sohee so much he is so cute and talented the fact that he is the best vocalist and also one of the best dancer of the group he even had rap parts here and there and he nails it. I also find that his social skills is the best in the group, it seems like he wins everyone’s heart. But yeah Sohee doesn’t lack in anything he is a really competent and hard working idol you’ll never see him lacking and the fact that he only trained for 1 year is even more appreciable
To me Sohee is really good at everything. It just annoys me that most fans don't give him the time of day since he doesn't look like...... Like it's 2024, didn't we learn to love talent instead of people's looks. In my opinion, he looks great just like San of ATEEZ, if only people would just LISTEN instead of look. And he was so stable during their university performance.
I don't think small labels need survival shows to get noticed. They need to get creative. The big companies can do the normal promotional process and be successful but the smaller companies don't have the resources to compete like that. They have to be creative but these smaller companies seem hesitant to take risks. Just look at biggest groups from the last 2 generations of kpop. Bigbang and BTS. YG couldn't compete with SMs army of songwriters, assembly line like release schedule and top tier development programs. They couldn't compete with JYPs connections, name recognition and production genuis but they got creative. They gave their idols lessons to increase the number of producers and songwriters in house and helped nourish their skills by giving them freedom to make music. They started putting out mini albums to keep up with the SMs releases without sacrificing them quality of the songs and they incorporated hip-hop which was rare in Asia at the time. All of that came together with BigBang. That YG culture produced a group that didn't need much except for marketing from YG. They can handle everything else themselves and had the freedom to experiment. It worked out because the 3rd generation of kpop is mostly the industry trying to recreate BigBang's success. Turning YG from a small hip-hop label into one of the big 3. BTS started as just another group trying to recreate BigBang's success in a ocean of groups trying to recreate BigBang's success from a small group. They couldn't compete with the big 3 in Korea so they didn't. They had to be creative so they stopped trying to break into the korean market and instead focused on the growing international market. While everyone was trying to win music shows BiG Hit was using social media to connect directly with fans overseas. It payed off big time. Big Hit turned BTSs success into becoming an multi national entertainment conglomerate that's probably going to dominate the world one day. All praise to our HYBE overlords. All it takes is one good idea to turn the entire industry on its head.
Nah. Even if their songs and concepts are good, fans don't stick to the debut because they aren't from.big comoanies. I remember WooAhh's debut. The badabadabing line was equally addictive to Sana's shy shy shy. They also had good raps and vocals but it didn't stick. Seventeen's Adore U also took months before it really got acclaim, this from a mid company as an indeoendent Pledis. There's also Rescene's Uhuh. Compare that with mid songs like Black Mamba, Batter Up, or Unforgiven... If small companies successfully tick a niche that fans like, they're lucky. Exe: Dreamcatcher, Young Possé, Everglow, Fifty/Fifty. However, maybe the amount of money used for marketing could play a part. If not, maybe word of mouth or curiosity because of the brand (i.e.) the company name? Example for this is New Jeans. Despite the lack of promotions, they caught on because people were curious about Hybe's new girl group. If the companies are successful with playing their cards, they can achieve BigBang/BTS success. The way I see it, maybe Ateez can. But they need to have extreme effort and lots of luck to achieve that. I don't know if 5th gen fans still has that type of power that give a Bigbang and BTS type of meteoric rise.
There are many smaller companies that give their groups creative concepts, but that won't give them much attention even with promotions. DXMON, NOMAD, Primrose, and POW have creative concepts and promotions. Plus, it's harder than the past for smaller companies to make the groups big when bigger companies debut so many groups. With the limited resources you metioned, some small companies can't just take risk if it ends up failing. Plus, I think BTS has made a lot of success from many factors and one of them is their collaborations with Western artists.
6. okay I get the idea you don't know AESPA discography. Not all AESPA songs are sci-fi future cybertron and core KWANGYA. Ever since their first mini album, AESPA has explored a lot of themes. Their B-sides are more tame and sonically pleasing. Live My Life is the same. So was Better Things and Life's Too Short (which you panned to death 🙂) These songs are typical AESPA B-sides. I suggest you listen to BAHAMAS which I think should've been the one with the MV. Plus the entire concept of the full album, Armageddon, is introducing different universes hence all songs are quite different from each other.
@@user-cj5mt3et7c wtf are you saying 😂 KWANGYA is the most ORIGINAL concept to take over KPOP. If you don't know the storyline, stop embarassing yourself. If you don't LIKE the concept, quit yapping.
@@user-cj5tm3et7ctotally agree with you. most of the time, I don't even understand the lore. I loved Armageddon, but that video was just shots of alien pieces and nothing. It wasn't even showing exactly what Armageddon is supposed to entail. Armageddon is the final battle between good and evil, but the girls were just moving around in different outfits and shots. It's aestheticly pleasing, but for a niche group like Aespa, I expected a bit more. Supernova had a much better video.
5&7. Heavy on "it's part of the gig" notice how every group you named are also the most internationally marketed it's because they were able to catch on to the best way to diversify for EACH of there audiences not just with those individual tours but, like you said, with how each member has been able to have a dedicated "other side" for one group while NOT alienating the other. And that does well in aiding the whole groups longevity. Fans constantly feel invigorated, never bored while only anticipating all there endeavors OUTSIDE of even music.
4. The only impressive records imo are the recors of longevity in charts, it's not completely accurate, but it's quite often the proof that a song is a hit and a success, like jungkook golden in the bb, ive love dive and bts spring day +800 days on the melon charts etc...
Dreamcatcher are under appreciated yes,but the longevity they have is what big companies and a lot of fan groups will never understand is loyalty,boundaries and just having fun rather breaking records,selling out,walking red carpets it is just about that idol fun life and their company compensates them fairly, in-fact they are very close to the company staff their ceo even knows the members family. When they didn’t succeed as Minx their ceo never gives up on them in-fact he mentioned that he will make a cucumber company and will hire the girls no matter what that is how personally connected they are to the staff small things like this go so far
Lol what’s unpopular about any of these statements? “Different audiences have different wants” okay? “Sales and achievements aren’t as impressive” like many others have said before?
Lol what’s unpopular about any of these statements? “Different audiences have different wants” okay? “Sales and achievements aren’t as impressive” like many others have said before? “The youngest is the most popular” yeah that’s a pattern we’ve been picking at for a while
I can't agree more, with what u said about Sohee and Seunghan. The first time I saw RIIZE(Talk Saxy), I was sooo surprised with how Sohee. He is a real diamond. Seunghan had such an amazing voice and presence. Sohee had a very unique tone and the way he acts is very captivating.
I don`t agree with the Dreamcatcher opinion. I`m an Insomnia since 2019 and since they got their first music show win they abandoned their rock concept with each comeback. Of course there are still songs with a little rock influences but it`s not how it was and how it should be
@@kpop-spy So for your new Kpop opinions video, I need to hear your opinion about Soyeon being the best producer/songwriter not just in kpop but in general. People keep putting her in a really high place, I need to hear your opinion about that.
4. seeing Lisa's money and lalisa break records is why I have no faith in Kpop or blinks. they don't care that the songs were genuine garbage and just made Lisa look like a joke. they only care about the flex despite gaining nothing from it.
Timestamps:
0:01 1. I've had it with CUBE Entertainment.
1:06 2. Survival Shows are the only way small companies can survive.
2:37 3. The youngest trainees on survival shows are always the most popular.
2:33 4. Breaking records has become useless.
4:51 5. Having the ability to adapt and adjust your performing style to the country you're performing is an important skill.
5:59 6. Let's review Æspa's "Live my life."
6:42 7. It's crazy how only 4 3rd Gen girl groups are still active.
7:48 8. Sohee from RIIZE is a standout.
8:36 9. Fromis_9's "Unlock my world" album is a standout.
9:24 10. Let's review H1-KEY's comeback with "Let it burn."
“CUBE Entertainment bad” is maybe the least controversial opinion in K-Pop…
It’s actually just a fact…
4. Totally agree with this. Kpop nowadays is more about making and breaking record than music itself.Fans are just chart obsessed (especially army and blinks). sometimes i feel like these fans think group success/achivement as their own
7. I really had no idea until now that Dreamcatcher was a third gen gg always thought they were fourth gen 🤡🤡
they're 4th gen tho.. DREAMCATCHER debuted 2017 same as Stray kids
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq skz did in 2018
@@dontcrosstheline-skz-oneus oh right
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dqStray Kids only did a predebut song Hellevator in 2017, but they debuted in 2018 with District 9.
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq 3rd Gen went until the end of 2017 which makes Dreamcatcher 3rd Gen and Stray Kids 4th Gen
the fact that cube even did that is wild, and what's the special reward? a photocard or smt💀its insulating to the fans that are so loyal. and 70% of the time the maknaes of kpop groups who are usually minors are the most popular and that puts a pit in my stomach cause the underlining unspoken reason is still so disturbing and loud
3rd gen groups are still active because they have the most established as well as the biggest fanbases. Army, Blinks, Onces, Exols are there and they won't stop supporting their faves at least for the next few years. 4th gen on the other hand don't have that supportive fans. If something more fresh appear, they will change fandoms, plus they spend more time participating in fan wars than streaming their faves music. Plus, 4th gen stans are mostly below the age of 14, meaning they need their parents's money to buy albums, tickets, merchandise while 3th gen stans mostly are around the age of 18, even 20.
I want to say Stray Kids are kind of an exception here though, they have a massive, rabid (all fandoms are😅) and an extremely loyal fanbase.
how can you not include Reveluvs, Carats, Stays ? These are fandoms of staple groups of 3rd gen. You should've been careful adding the fandom names as per group debut - Exols, Army, Carat, Once etc
*CARATS.....- Svt fandom
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq skz are 4th gen
@@rinku_yay yeah but they don't come under below 14 fans like how OP claims
attutide from unlock my world went triple platinum in my room, as well as the album as a whole
Same
I love seing Sohee appreciation :)) i love Sohee so much he is so cute and talented the fact that he is the best vocalist and also one of the best dancer of the group he even had rap parts here and there and he nails it. I also find that his social skills is the best in the group, it seems like he wins everyone’s heart. But yeah Sohee doesn’t lack in anything he is a really competent and hard working idol you’ll never see him lacking and the fact that he only trained for 1 year is even more appreciable
To me Sohee is really good at everything. It just annoys me that most fans don't give him the time of day since he doesn't look like...... Like it's 2024, didn't we learn to love talent instead of people's looks.
In my opinion, he looks great just like San of ATEEZ, if only people would just LISTEN instead of look. And he was so stable during their university performance.
He lacks in visuals, and most kpop fans are visual stans. It also does not help Sohee that the visual members in Riize are talented as well.
The K-pop Spy posts, I click it ,I like it❤
I don't think small labels need survival shows to get noticed. They need to get creative. The big companies can do the normal promotional process and be successful but the smaller companies don't have the resources to compete like that. They have to be creative but these smaller companies seem hesitant to take risks.
Just look at biggest groups from the last 2 generations of kpop. Bigbang and BTS.
YG couldn't compete with SMs army of songwriters, assembly line like release schedule and top tier development programs. They couldn't compete with JYPs connections, name recognition and production genuis but they got creative. They gave their idols lessons to increase the number of producers and songwriters in house and helped nourish their skills by giving them freedom to make music. They started putting out mini albums to keep up with the SMs releases without sacrificing them quality of the songs and they incorporated hip-hop which was rare in Asia at the time. All of that came together with BigBang. That YG culture produced a group that didn't need much except for marketing from YG. They can handle everything else themselves and had the freedom to experiment. It worked out because the 3rd generation of kpop is mostly the industry trying to recreate BigBang's success. Turning YG from a small hip-hop label into one of the big 3.
BTS started as just another group trying to recreate BigBang's success in a ocean of groups trying to recreate BigBang's success from a small group. They couldn't compete with the big 3 in Korea so they didn't. They had to be creative so they stopped trying to break into the korean market and instead focused on the growing international market. While everyone was trying to win music shows BiG Hit was using social media to connect directly with fans overseas. It payed off big time. Big Hit turned BTSs success into becoming an multi national entertainment conglomerate that's probably going to dominate the world one day. All praise to our HYBE overlords.
All it takes is one good idea to turn the entire industry on its head.
Nah. Even if their songs and concepts are good, fans don't stick to the debut because they aren't from.big comoanies. I remember WooAhh's debut. The badabadabing line was equally addictive to Sana's shy shy shy. They also had good raps and vocals but it didn't stick. Seventeen's Adore U also took months before it really got acclaim, this from a mid company as an indeoendent Pledis. There's also Rescene's Uhuh.
Compare that with mid songs like Black Mamba, Batter Up, or Unforgiven...
If small companies successfully tick a niche that fans like, they're lucky. Exe: Dreamcatcher, Young Possé, Everglow, Fifty/Fifty.
However, maybe the amount of money used for marketing could play a part. If not, maybe word of mouth or curiosity because of the brand (i.e.) the company name? Example for this is New Jeans. Despite the lack of promotions, they caught on because people were curious about Hybe's new girl group.
If the companies are successful with playing their cards, they can achieve BigBang/BTS success. The way I see it, maybe Ateez can. But they need to have extreme effort and lots of luck to achieve that. I don't know if 5th gen fans still has that type of power that give a Bigbang and BTS type of meteoric rise.
There are many smaller companies that give their groups creative concepts, but that won't give them much attention even with promotions. DXMON, NOMAD, Primrose, and POW have creative concepts and promotions. Plus, it's harder than the past for smaller companies to make the groups big when bigger companies debut so many groups. With the limited resources you metioned, some small companies can't just take risk if it ends up failing. Plus, I think BTS has made a lot of success from many factors and one of them is their collaborations with Western artists.
BRO FROMIS_9 NEEDS MORE COMEBACKS/PROMOTIONS LIKE CMON PLEDISS
6. okay I get the idea you don't know AESPA discography. Not all AESPA songs are sci-fi future cybertron and core KWANGYA. Ever since their first mini album, AESPA has explored a lot of themes. Their B-sides are more tame and sonically pleasing. Live My Life is the same. So was Better Things and Life's Too Short (which you panned to death 🙂) These songs are typical AESPA B-sides. I suggest you listen to BAHAMAS which I think should've been the one with the MV. Plus the entire concept of the full album, Armageddon, is introducing different universes hence all songs are quite different from each other.
Whole kwangya is mess. SM don't even know what they are doing.
@@user-cj5mt3et7c wtf are you saying 😂 KWANGYA is the most ORIGINAL concept to take over KPOP. If you don't know the storyline, stop embarassing yourself. If you don't LIKE the concept, quit yapping.
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq original concepts but badly executed
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dqlearn to comprehend. I said it is messed. Kwangya isn't just limited to aespa. That's what makes it a mess .
@@user-cj5tm3et7ctotally agree with you. most of the time, I don't even understand the lore. I loved Armageddon, but that video was just shots of alien pieces and nothing.
It wasn't even showing exactly what Armageddon is supposed to entail. Armageddon is the final battle between good and evil, but the girls were just moving around in different outfits and shots.
It's aestheticly pleasing, but for a niche group like Aespa, I expected a bit more. Supernova had a much better video.
5&7. Heavy on "it's part of the gig" notice how every group you named are also the most internationally marketed it's because they were able to catch on to the best way to diversify for EACH of there audiences not just with those individual tours but, like you said, with how each member has been able to have a dedicated "other side" for one group while NOT alienating the other. And that does well in aiding the whole groups longevity. Fans constantly feel invigorated, never bored while only anticipating all there endeavors OUTSIDE of even music.
Your first sentence: “I’ve had it with Cube Entertainment”.
What I genuinely said: we’ve all had it with Cube Entertainment 💀
4. The only impressive records imo are the recors of longevity in charts, it's not completely accurate, but it's quite often the proof that a song is a hit and a success, like jungkook golden in the bb, ive love dive and bts spring day +800 days on the melon charts etc...
Next level
@@akuhappy3246 it was some examples but yes next level is amazing, still on my top 20 most listened lol
Dreamcatcher are under appreciated yes,but the longevity they have is what big companies and a lot of fan groups will never understand is loyalty,boundaries and just having fun rather breaking records,selling out,walking red carpets it is just about that idol fun life and their company compensates them fairly, in-fact they are very close to the company staff their ceo even knows the members family. When they didn’t succeed as Minx their ceo never gives up on them in-fact he mentioned that he will make a cucumber company and will hire the girls no matter what that is how personally connected they are to the staff small things like this go so far
6:28 i thought u said “the chorus is rizzy” i was scared for a second cuz i thought the brain rot got to you too
1. I mean..if fans love the artists as much as they claim, they would still take up the chance🤭
true.. It's a choice not a compulsion. Plus I bet those fans would be thrilled 🙂
I am sorry but what's unpopular about cube being a crappy company? Or are we just throwing words now.
Lol what’s unpopular about any of these statements? “Different audiences have different wants” okay? “Sales and achievements aren’t as impressive” like many others have said before?
Lol what’s unpopular about any of these statements? “Different audiences have different wants” okay? “Sales and achievements aren’t as impressive” like many others have said before? “The youngest is the most popular” yeah that’s a pattern we’ve been picking at for a while
I can't agree more, with what u said about Sohee and Seunghan. The first time I saw RIIZE(Talk Saxy), I was sooo surprised with how Sohee. He is a real diamond. Seunghan had such an amazing voice and presence. Sohee had a very unique tone and the way he acts is very captivating.
If its not too much can you please review last night by jeonghan and wonwoo from seventeen.
3:34 Completely off topic but Everglow looks so pretty in these outfits❤
I couldn't agree more
for the breaking records part, which group is that? like in red
Muntail 😭😭😭 that's how my friend pronounces taeil 😭😭😭
I love H1-KEY. They will always be my favourite!
I don`t agree with the Dreamcatcher opinion. I`m an Insomnia since 2019 and since they got their first music show win they abandoned their rock concept with each comeback. Of course there are still songs with a little rock influences but it`s not how it was and how it should be
1-4 are FACTS
I agree with 4.
3. TRUE WORDS 👏
I need today's episode, new jeans 'supernatural' just dropped. Review????
You gonna have to wait until tomorrow
@@kpop-spy So for your new Kpop opinions video, I need to hear your opinion about Soyeon being the best producer/songwriter not just in kpop but in general.
People keep putting her in a really high place, I need to hear your opinion about that.
there's no "big4"
exactly its always big 3 + hybe
there's just big ME
Did you guys hear Jennie recent add rap I think it's a spoiler and rap is 🔥
She´s truly versatile she never uses the same flow, her album is for sure coming next month
@@LeonorIsabel Also check Lisa Rockstar photo you can saw a huge difference in YG concept photo style
Omg where??
4. seeing Lisa's money and lalisa break records is why I have no faith in Kpop or blinks. they don't care that the songs were genuine garbage and just made Lisa look like a joke. they only care about the flex despite gaining nothing from it.
Iland 2 doesn't have the youngest favourite thing
Saebi right now is definitely favored by the PDs and audience, not in a bad way, she is defiantly talented
CUBE HATERS RISE UP 😡😡😡😡