Plenty of Cars, Ridiculous Markups Persist - Dealership Lot Walk
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2023
- What are dealers SMOKING? There's plenty of inventory but markups are still outrageous!
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Let them just eat that inventory tax. Screw them.
Exactly
Been looking at Broncos, jeeps and Rams for months hoping prices would start coming down and it's like the dealerships are willing to go out of business before they drop a dollar. We'll see how well they are doing as the financial situation worsens
Agreed!!
as inflation and financial situation worsen they will just jack up the price even higher and banks will increase interest rates on them…they dont care
All of those cars are sick, but they'll all rust to the ground before I pay that much for any of them.
You can’t blame the dealership if people are dumb enough to pay that much.
Could not disagree more, you can simply blame both.
Dodge prices at MSRP are already absurd with the price increases theyve done done the last few years but these dealers are really reaching for the stars if they think they'll stumble upon someone willing to pay 70-80k for a scat
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Unfortunately some people are, at least here in Vegas some are forking it over leaving the lot with a 12 to 1500 a month payment on a Scat Charger/Challenger.
@@roymartin3002 true 💯
Good lord that’s more than double my payment on a 4Runner lol
Damn, glad I bought a challenger scat shaker when I did. Bought a used 2018 in 2019 for 37.5k and i thought that was high, but the new msrp on it was 52k.
Yeah you were smart! Keep that car!
They’re putting them in back to sell later… dealers everywhere are doing that
The dealers and their markups, they can keep those f****** cars.... And that's coming from a 45 year MOPAR veteran.
Gee wonder why they are still sitting on a new 2022??? Hmmm.
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They are waiting on idiots that will pay these Stupid prices for a vehicle that’s hasn’t changed since 2016. Still people out there with more money than common sense.
2021’s you mean
Still don’t understand how a oversized 4 door family car is a sports car.
I can explain that to you.. Dodge came to them and said If you order some of the plain Jane models we will give you an additional "trunk money discount"
I’m trying to engage everyone to call it a ransom, not a markup. Trying to call it what it is, you want this car, pay this ransom or bounty!
I ❤️ that!!
Those prices are ridiculous. That’s just crazy to Charge that kind of markup on these cars.
Absolutely 💯!!!
Crazy prices there are going to be so many scats and hellcats available in a few yrs that dealership will be begging people to buy them 😂 just wait people, great video guys💪🏾💯
Agree 💯!!
Last year for V-8’s in Charger and Challenger
@Yoyoyoyototototoyoyo for new ones thousands of used with low mileage available
@@Halomotooo that doesn't justify gutting people like a fish though. I'm glad I'm not brand loyal. Here in North Vegas a dealership has a used 21 Superstock going for 95+ and there're trying to add a markup on that because IT'S A SUPERSTOCK tfo with that ish.
They might put them away for 20 - 30 then sell em for 500 thousand or more look at 1969 Daytona's and 1970 super bird prices yikes.just saying possibility
RT is where scat used to be and scats are where hellcats used too it’s ridiculous......complete robbery bs
100%!! Everything has jumped a level
I dont know anything about mopars, but those are mach 1's that nobody wants. Not the desirable options and not the desirable colors. Those things should be at least 5k under MSRP.
Why anyone would buy a single one of these in automatic is beyond me.. buyers keep in mind that if stolen or if totaled by your insurance you will never see that extra markup money.. that markup is the cost of NOTHING except straight cash to the dealers pocket. Shop around the country if you want a specific popular “rare” (ha) car.. or just wait.. because those cars are in the back cause they won’t sell. Trying to charge markup on old stock is not smart and in the end it’s hurting all of us including dealers as manufactures have caught on and are now making their cars more expensive just to spite. The tipping point is hitting already so you dealers are going to have those cars on your lot forever.
Exactly 💯
The "Last Call" plate should be changed to "Last Got" 😂
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Markups killed all enthusiast/fun cars. They're marketed at younger crowd at prices they can afford but that is useless because USA has franchise laws that prohibit direct sales. Car has to go to a third-party parasite that gets to hold it hostage until you pay a ransom called ADM before they'll release the car to you that they had NOTHING to do with when it came to R&D. US is a third world country in so many aspects and US citizens are so oblivious to it. From car industry to healthcare costs, to roads, to rail cars, etc.
FYI, early days of autos,cloth seats cost extra. Even in 1950 s,cloth was preferred over leather.Benefits of cloth vs. leather? No noise, don't get hot. Leather as a " premium" is just marketing slide of hand,no shortage of cows,pigs,etc. along with many toxic chemicals to make leather.Most mass produced vehicles use low quality tannery hides for upholstery,which is why shrinking/ cracking happens much sooner than petroleum based cloth interiors.
Good points . . . Still gonna take leather over the food stamp seats 💺 every time though . . . They just feel better and look a whole lot better
@@GuysTalkingCars Big3 are not know for even acceptable level quality leather,foam,or seat springs. I don't think the Chrysler folks including assembly line workers even know how much/understand how Peugeot will end their deliberate drunken stupidity of trying to hide losses by raising MSRP across all the Brand lines. FYI , Peugeot sent Chrysler Europe into the history books for not getting their act together.There is no money for an electric Chargers,besides few will buy it.Their unsold inventory at. Corporate Level in storage lots and at Dealerships speaks volumes. As far as Dealers ordering way too many LX platforms and Dealer markups? Likely be selling those 2023s well into 2025 model year with even crazier markups as the Brampton Plant shuts down in December.Dealers that live by the sword,die by the sword,more so,since most dealers are not financially sound; dealer- floor/lot stock is done by financing.
Good call getting your Chargers when you did…I loved the new “retro” designs when they came out back in 2007/8 but was into Jeeps at the time…feel like the last one to the party and now can’t stop thinking of these Challengers but I’m certainly not paying over sticker…will wait it out and see what happens. Thanks for your videos!
Totally agree - yes, wait it out! Thank you 🙏🏻
These people are smoking rock. $60-70K for a Scat Pack with cloth interior and zero options. I bought my 2019 Scat Pack, loaded. Only thing mine is missing is the sun roof. Factory Certified and only had 8300 miles for $40,500. You'd have to put $20K down on these cars now, and you payment would still be $700-800/mo
Great buy!! And you are 100% correct!
One word...ABSURD!
I second that!!
Why be pissed…unsold cars are liability to dealers. People get anxious and buy despite high prices. Average American earns $60k/yr…they are very unaffordable
I remember in 2020 over here in south TX the widebody scats were like 45k & now they are 60k plus its ridiculous. Also i got my 2022 R/T for 45k while back then in 2020 they were 35k 👎🏼 these prices are insane yet i know they are still going up in price since they aren’t making them anymore. Ig 2020 was the perfect time to buy a car even a house. 😭
Exactly
They are paying 70-100k for the same car from 2018 lol
Those prices on cars will remain sky high until the fools stop overpaying for them.
💯 correct
Isn't the mark-up from the dealer, not the factory, because you spoke about being shocked, and disappointed at Dodge.
Yo I’m new to your channel I just subscribed 🤟love your channel. I still can’t believe these prices I’m glad I got my Scat Pack Challenger pre-pandemic for only 34,000 brand new. No way in hell I would’ve been able to afford one nowadays.
Thank you!! Thanks for being a part of the channel!! Appreciate you! Hang on to that car - you got it for a great price - the increases and markups are nuts!
Got my Scat Shaker for 37k with 40k miles on it from Carvana….
Nice!
I just got my 22 Hellcat 3 months ago on MSRP plus 2k rebate. Order back in july 22. Mine is fully loaded smoke show with black strips plus carbon suede interior, sunroof. Couldn’t get better deal than that. I knew 23 was going to be crazy so I ordered right on time 🚙👌
Smart move! Beautiful build!!
I Don’t understand how this is legal for dealerships to Do
I’m pissed off at those Prices too brother. I paid 33k for 2016 scat a couple of years ago. Fully loaded . I’ll never pay for cloth seats lol
Exactly!! That’s what’s crazy - paying $60-70k or more and no frills on the interior? Insane . .
a fool and his money is soon parted, dealerships are banking on it now
I find the whole markup business absurd. Dealership are being greedy and we should say mo. I wanted a lambo huracan, the dude wants 50K mark up! For what? I said no. MSRP is supposed to be their maximum profit, not minimum
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Wait till 24, you wont find em.
Don't buy and don't bother 😮
Youll own nothing and be happy
- Klaus Schwab -
Lot of money for cars that Dodge might have $16,000.00 to $18,000.00 to produce it. Its all above mass produce parts, body part are mass produce. Parts Robot welded and all the cars are assemble on a production line. The engine parts are mass produce and assemble. in a production line.
If everyone in America would walk away from the Stealer-ship for about 120 day, you might
see Dodge come through and make sure you can get one for $10,000.00 off MSRP
Yep!
My tires on my Scat look similar on the outside, and I don't burn them that much. Some soft tires like nittos must just appear that way.
I laugh at all these consumers. The dealers and auto makers unions didn't care about the consumer at all in 2008. In 2008 prices didn't drop a dime. Just like this time all of this is nothing but talk. Consumers never draw the line. Thats why prices go up every year. The dealers and auto makers know the government will bail them out again when it gets bad, and they will bail them out with consumer tax dollars. Just like they did in 2008.
For Dodge with their last call edition vehicles a lot of them that the dealerships are getting allocated or actually pre-selected options by Dodge themselves so that doesn't surprise me that Dodge doesn't put the leather seats in
Totally agreed - a lot of these markets they know buyers just want that Hemi
I think the MSRP's are to high! This is total lunacy! Keep em.
Exactly
I bought my 2017 challenger scatpack shaker 392 new and negotiated $6k off then. Good luck now. Back in late 2019 a dodge dealer near me had 20 scatpacks and hellcats used for much lower than msrp, they couldn't sell them for over 6 months.
Exactly - it’s insanity now
Markups should be illegal price gouging😢😮
Agreed 👍🏼
I hope these dealers get stuck with these cars and have to sell them as leftovers next year.
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I'll wait til they're begging me to buy the scat for 40k
I bought my 23 last call hellcat Redeye widebody jailbreak for sticker in NC at John Hiester. I customized it to my liking. This is crazy don’t buy from that dealership.
💯 totally agree
The tires look like that because there cup 2’s
Got my R/T+ with the super track pack and the interior options I wanted (heated/cooled seats etc NO SUNROOF) and was out the door for just under 40. The car is loaded. has the big sound system, everything. After a year, put a whipple on it, I'm about 67whp short of a hellcat. In a nice, comfortable, unassuming R/T that nobody even pays attention to.
What year?
Perfect!!
@@selfoblivionalex6262 Which one? The supercharged R/T is a 15 I bought new. I also have an 18 scat. I'm selling it though, it's slow, and as much as I prefer a manual, the power just isn't there to make it fun.
You could never get me to buy another scat. Ever lol. I paid like 14 grand more for it than I did my R/T. NOT WORTH IT.
The wheels on that black Mach 1 are atrocious.
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
Great video
Thank you 🙏🏻!!
EXACTLY!!!’ I bought new 2020 Charger R/T Plus in Hellraisin for 38k out the door. I watched it come off the truck and bought it on the spot. Sticker was 40,890 and got Hemi Dollar incentive. Same car now pushing 50k for a 22 and it’s identical to the 20. Shit makes no sense and dumb asses willing to pay all these mark ups.
Unbelievable 😢
Man I wish there were this many round here in stick shift
I got my fully Loaded (Only options I didn't check was a sunroof, nav and Carbon Fiber) 22 Scat Widebody Shaker with an M6 for 59 last year. I knew this shit was coming.
Well played
The dealers can keep all of them
I hope this backfires on all these dealerships trying to take advantage of people!!!
Right there with you!!
People should say no, i did
Yeah, it’s incredible that they’re still markups, yeah that’s incredible that they’re still mark ups I would tell anyone shop around I’ll eventually find a dealer who will sell it to you for MSRP last year. I purchased a 22 dodge challenger scat pack by body I kind of MSRP but the dealer initially wanted 10,000 of her retail. I told him now instead of walking out he decided to sell it to me for MSRP placed my order and I waited a very happy with my car and I didn’t pay a dime over MSRP plus at the time I think that $2000 off.
Well done !!
The dealers are crazy down here in South Florida also. Was in the market for a used Scat and trade my R/T & seen the same thing. Over $50,000 for cloth seats on a used Scat let them sit on the lots & rott for all I care. The dealers are hiding cars and going to have to lower the prices to get rid of these cars. Will keep the R/T and shop a5 the end of the year.
Totally agree - you’re doing the right thing. The pricing remains outrageous but we just have to be patient.
Wow same dealership I went to in San Jose, last year I got my widebody charger plus group for 55k, it’s crazy how aggressive this market is for these cars
Local stomping grounds! Same here - paid $54k for a loaded scat in early 2021. Now it’s total insanity
I’m so appreciative that I got mine last year, $55,000 for my SPWB, I couldn’t have afforded these prices.
Well done congrats!!
Paid 55 for a 22 wide body scat pack charger in November well optioned sold it last month for almost 60k
You need to check out the mark ups on the new GT500, I saw him go up to 30 grandover MSRP!
Wow 😮
Got my scatpack back in 2020. Didn't like the wide-body went back with a narrow body. Fully loaded premium interior sunroof flying change heated mirrors heating cool back and front seats out the door for $46,000. In 2015 my first Scat Pack fully loaded out the door for 42,000
Wow - amazing price hikes 🤦🏻♂️
THEY’RE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE!!!!!! PPL CANNOT SEE THESE! HELLO…….
I have a loaded 21 Charger Scat and when I go to the dealer there're always asking me to sell it or trade in and I'm like nope. With Dodges over the top markups and these funky interest rates I told him I would buy a Zl1 Camaro in Utah with no markup before Dodge ever gets any more of my dollars. And on reflection even he agreed that that made sense. Even some of the sales people know and will admit these outrageous markup's are BS.
Yes! Well said!
Your in my city San Jose ca Normandin Chrysler Dodge, Jeep and RAM ha ha ha ha😂
We are!!! 💪🏼🔥😂
Can the dealership markup the car if you order your own?
They can - but most I’ve dealt with are willing to forgo any markup if you order
I appreciate this video.... because i always ask who's buying these cars for that much with the popcorn interior??? 60 - 70k cloth seats😅
Exactly!!! We don’t get it - if you drop 60-70k there are certain things you assume that money gets you. Especially when cars for half that are loaded with leather and other amenities
Has anybody with some serious lawyers in there pockets ever tried to take a dealership to court for price gouging and sue the hell out of there asses???? Anybody
Good question!!
60k for cloth seats??😂
Got my 22 scat pack plus fully loaded for 52k these mark ups are crazy 🥶💨
Totally! Well done!!
I bet the CA dealers prices are higher
let them rot til the stealership goes under
because dodge is not going to make these cars anymore, so the dealerships are living up to the stealership name plate
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I got a 2016 TorRed Dodge Challenger SXT Plus, used from a Texas Nissan stealership, she had a junkyard starter, the transmission was taken out, passenger side mirror is holding on by just the wiring and gorilla clear tape, just below the passenger side rear glass needs to be redone, drivers side rug in the trunk is missing, coolant reservoir does not look very good, ac system needs to be recharged, brakes pads has not been changed in a while, hood is missed aligned just to name a few things wrong
You can get pissed off all you want over how the dealerships are marking these cars up. Unfortunately they have the right too, it’s called Free Market people. You have the power to not buy the car. If many people did that then the demand goes down and the dealers are forced to lower the prices and or markups. Quit crying about it and do something!
My fear going forward is that we will never see a V8 or any high power ICE vehicle without an ADM markup! 😢
Totally share the same concern!
The design of an old car, but if you have power, you can compete with Japanese brand cars
Japanese don’t have the (almighty)V8
Let the car dealers STARVE
Correct!
They can keep all of them
Definitely not a mustang. Hells no
Was thinking of car shopping today with my wife on our 50 mph e scooters. I wanna do a burn out around the Hellcat on the showroom floor and spell out the words crooks!!!! Factory direct is the only way to cut this shit out. But as far as used, stay away they'll eventually have to give them away, just wait......
😂 agreed!
Wow I love your channel. This is good shit. Wish y’all were with me when I got scammed back in Feb 2022 to over pay for my 2022 Toyota Rav4 XLE Premium. In the financing office. $33,000 sticker prices then $10,000 finance charge. Disgusting 🤮 imma ride my car until the wheels fall off though. They won’t trick me again.
Thank you! Glad to have you here! That's the right way to go - just drive it TWO car's worth of use! BTW - we LOVE your art. Took a look and subbed! Amazing!
@@GuysTalkingCars aww thank you so much! I appreciate it! 🥹💕
You shouldn't have paid 50k for them because over paying a little then has lead us to those prices. I bought a 2005 roush mustang for 8900 that leaves a lot of money for mods
I got my scat pack new a year ago for $50K crazy
Insane !
it will sold , they dont make them anymore ..
Can you please find me a '23 Civic Type R for MSRP? LOL!
The mustang is better looking than the challengers and chargers. The challenger looks the same as it did in 2006.
It’s all in what appeals to
You!
I bought a 2023 Honda Civic Type R, of course over MSRP. It will hold its value hopefully better than these marked up Mopars
Prices in texas aren’t all that bad. My dads about to get a brand new rt plus charger for around 43k
Yeah that sounds way better
@@GuysTalkingCars he doesn’t want a used scatpack for some reason. It’s a 2020 scatpack charger plus for the same price with around 30k miles idk why he doesn’t want it
We plan on buying an aftermarket lock just so our car doesn’t get stripped or stolen 😅
@@Tyytyythatguy smart!! Gotta protect it!!
@@GuysTalkingCars he’s also got guns in case things go wrong 😳
I still laugh at this because there are dealerships where I look at their inventory and I go to new inventory and literally most of the cars are all 2022 how are you still sitting on a new 2022 I know because you're artificially marking them up pretending that there is not enough stock or the chip shortage excuse that you're using there's plenty of acquisitions in stock for vehicles these dealerships are marking them up because they're being greedy
💯 well said!!
This bubble is going to pop! In two to three years these dealerships will be bankrupt or selling only used cars.
Yes!!
In your opinion...are added Dealer Mark-ups across the nation?
Yes definitely
Seems like it is - but you can find some deals and no markups. Look outside of major metropolitan areas
Let the cars rot. Don't pay markups. Dealers have to adapt to the economy or disappear like the dinosaurs.
Agreed 💯
I feel like my days as a car enthusiast is coming to an end. A Mustang Mach 1 on a 10 year old platform should not be 65k. A Nissan Z should not be 80k. A Corvette Z51 should not be 130k. A 911T Should not be 150k. I did hear that BMW, Subaru and Mazda are not marking cars up. I think I'm going to try and order an M2.
Totally agree !!
Where is the dealership?
San Jose Ca
Ok thanks
I got a 23 WB scat at msrp after tax registration in California was 69k and some change then went ahead and got the security system and gap insurance for just under 75k no markups but mine is fully loaded just no nav group
Dope ride! Congrats!!
Boi u got rapped hope the dealer gave u some lube, just threw away like 20k
They are fu….crazy.They will wonder,when they build only electric
Scat paths don’t come with leather; and none of these cars are “stripped” just because they don’t have carbon fiber trim.
They definitely come with leather/alcantera packages. You can absolutely get these bare bones “stripped” of many upgrades. I know - I’ve owned one.
@@GuysTalkingCars I’ve owned two, have one now; I have the leather/suede combo; but your comments in the video imply that they have a full leather offering like the hellcats; the leather on the sides is a joke.
@@steelcowboy2751 yeah that’s not what we meant - just the combo you refer to. But the joke is 70k - the hard touch dash and cloth just make it worse
Bought my 16 scat new, still own it. It has leather
Let them die with their tin cans. It costs money to keep the inventory this high. Good luck with that. The customers will win.
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