Hello, Can You do test memories RAM like you do 1 year ago "What is the Optimal RAM Speed for DDR5?" but without changing MHz of DDR5 memory but changing only CL ? Thanks!
Ram speed is so overrated, ram amount is so underrated. 64GB for gaming it is in 2024, no more, no less, ddr4 3000 is more than enough, and it costs 100 bugs, everyone can afford that for their PC build, or they shouldn’t build a PC for playing games, and fix their financials instead.
Please remember that at 4k, the difference between DDR4 and DDR5 is next to none, even if you use DLSS/FSR Performance which bumps internal res down to 1080p.
@@patorikusutaru7483 That's not how it works, it only adds frames on top of what you're getting already, if you're CPU bottlenecked, it'll still be CPU bottlenecked. A 7800X3D will still show much higher fps than a 5600X for example. Those extra frames get added due to the interpolation regardless of your CPU though, but the base framerate still effects it.
it's not 4k, any system that has gpu usage of 99% will not benefit from faster ram even at 1080p something like rtx 4060 will not benifit from faster ram it's only useful in cpu limited scenarios
A more interesting comparison is 3200 vs 6400, 3600vs7200, 4000vs8000. If you wanted to compare an outlier, you could do 4100 vs 8200 or even 4200v8400 but those outliers are really pushing the memory controllers on both. I'd love to see this type of match up!
On paper sure, but this is a solid representation of actual average setups. DDR4 3600 is the affordable sweet spot that most motherboards can easily boot. While DDR5 6000 is the average sweetspot currently. Kits beyond 6000 are much more expensive and hard to post in a lot of systems (I know because my DDR5 6400 won't post on my aorus z690 with 4 sticks, had to downclock to 6000 and cl30 for stability)
@@MAXfVRt It isn't about cost and averages. With the falling cost and massive wave of DDR5 kits >7000 and even >=8000 kits and many 13th and 14th gen chips hitting it no problem (especially on two dimm boards) it will give a better representation of performance compared to known upper and EOL DDR4 configs scaling up to 4000 and beyond. I had no problems hitting 4000 DDR4 on my 12900k on a 4 DIMM board even. It is just about giving an overall picture of how DDR4 and DDR5 faire against each other along various frequencies using standard XMP profiles even. We're not even touching upon manually dialing in timings for even better performance on each platform. 4 sticks can and are routinely problematic. Stick to 2 sticks or suffer potentially the need to use lower frequencies if you need the RAM capacity. 2x24GB DDR5 sticks, especially on 2-dimm boards, are really scaling well to 8000 and even beyond. Again, this is more about seeing a much wider comparison of DDR4 3200-4000 vs DDR5 ~6000-8000. That is all. :)
Its not even that expensive. I picked up 32gb 4000mhz cl16 from outlet for 150. Now it's overclocked to 4100mhz cl14 and its not that much worse than 8000 for much less cost@@Rachit0904
@@Rachit0904 You would get pretty much the same results using a DDR4 3600 CL 16 which costs a lot less. There are other test videos showing just that. If your primary goal is gaming, then DDR4 is fully enough to achieve a high performance.
@@stupidreligionz It's not given how future platforms are not gonna support DDR4. AMD already ditched DDR4 and Intel will soon. Also DDR5 is only €30 more expensive than DDR4.
Ah, the age old RAM question, bandwidth vs latency. You can clearly see which game favors which. Although the speed of the DDR5 is able to generally overpower the reduced latency of the DDR4 the latency sensitive games can still keep up in 0.1% lows. I can't wait to see what future DDR5 kits can do to lower the latency and make that better. Generally from generation to generation there is not really any change to latency, the added bandwidth evens out the slower latency of the newer kits, but from the looks of things we may actually see a slight reduction this generation of RAM.
what's interesting is that i am noticing that the ddr5 system seems to be using less memory and sometimes the gpu memory has less usage as well on the ddr5 system but, these are 2 completely different motherboards, so the guy had to have used different drives as well it is possible he didn't keep the same windows settings/background apps/services, so that may affect that #'s we're seeing, along with bios settings
@@Jord_OP all motherboards can only use one type of ram, so if it uses ddr5, it can't use ddr4,ddr3,ddr2, etc same with ddr4, it can't use ddr5,ddr3,etc.
@@formersat lga1700 has ddr4 and ddr5 versions, but the specific motherboards themselves can't use any ram except one type just in case my previous comment wasn't clear
Hardly any worthy difference, even @1080p. If you exclusively play @4K 165hz or lower refresh rate, then save your money, or get a better GPU and get Intel 13th gen DDR4 mobo, or Ryzen 5000 with a decent 32GB DDR4 kit.
but you forget you wont be able to upgrade in the future. Best is to get 7500F with DDR 6000Mhz Cl30 and you can upgrade in some years to a powerfull X3D cpu without having to upgrade ram or mainboard
The best test would be using a gpu with 8GB VRAM (forcing the use of system ram) and 8/16 system memory to see if there really is a difference between ddr4 and ddr5 and their frequencies.
it depends on the specific game but many will not tolerate what you are describing and will simply crash. if it's an asset that's critical-if not the game may simply begin to stutter or otherwise. but yes good idea
If you already have a computer with DDR4, the change isn't worth it, if you are building a new one, I would go with DDR5, 30 € difference is too little money compared to the cost of the computer and it's future proof.
@@velk_wanggoudan DDR4 has already been with us 9 years. I expect something similar with DDR5. After these years DDR4 is not so much cheaper so I'll go for DDR5, I'm not going to be poorer by spending 30€ more in my next computer in something that is 5-10% faster.
@@EarthIsFlat456 MFS2020 is the most demanding game when you fly low and mods have been added. FPS can go down to 40 and at that point, 6% more fps means a lot.
@@ishiddddd4783 140 FPS at what resolution? maxed out graphics? Ray Tracing OFF? Any mods installed? When you fly very low above city skylines, FPS can drop dramatically and this is when 6% more FPS can be a visible difference.
@@Seventh7Art a 6% fps difference is never going to be noticeable because it's still either going to be good or will be unplayable regardless. When you are dipping to the 30fps range, it's a 1.5fps difference, and at the 90fps range, it's a 5fps difference. MSFS lacks RT, and it's so dependant on single thread performance since it can only use one core, that you can see that at times even lows were higher on D4 while avg was higher on D5, let alone if you play higher than 1080p the differences become even more negligible since the advantages of faster vram go down when resolution goes up. And at ultra settings, 1440p, 7900XT a310 on new york average of 90fps, 737 pmdg and maddog md80 140fps average, most of the time the gpu isn't even being maxed out since the cpu usage is just fluctuating. By the time the difference on ram speed starts making an even larger gap, these comparisons will be irrelevant when even then it's mostly going to be reliant on the strength of the cpu, and that no more DDR4 compatible chips are gonna be coming out.
@user-nt6el5gb1w If you didn't compare this with same CPU your test is entirely null and void. Your newer CPU made the difference, not so much the RAM.
@user-nt6el5gb1w Wrong. You're the one avoiding to see its mostly your CPU making the difference. What was the other CPU you were comparing to? i3 13100 vs what CPU?
@user-nt6el5gb1w Your first statement makes nothing clear. You swapped DDR4 Z790 motherboard for Z790 DDR5 motherboard? You would've gotten much more FPS boost by spending the extra money on i5 13600K instead of new DDR5 lmao.
13600K with 4000 CL15-17-17-28 and RTX 4080 at 1440p works good enough for me. The 4080 is likely going to become a bigger bottleneck in 2 years from now than rest of my system.
Почти во всех играх 2-4% разница :) Впечатляет (нет). Всего несколько игр около 10% разница. Для игр это явно ненужная вещь. Для профессиональных нужд скорее всего, для работы.
RAM tests are inconsistence as the distance between allocated objects is changed for each launch due to R stands for Random. And if you map the data in ram (do some fundamental optimizations) - you can neglect it. And this is what you see with some more professional studios - no difference is RAM related latency.
Someone with common sense,instead of mutiple slow people in comments saying how the fps isn't much different,ram never has been about giving great fps boost
until the end of 2023. even meteor lake desktop is still not released. even though it is released, there will definitely be delai and meteor lake refesh series. This means that you will only find Arrow Lake in 2027 and above ~ 🤣🤣
Probably, ideally ddr4 isn't really optimal for 12th gen+, better to run much higher bandwidth than squeezing very low latencies. Ddr4 pretty much reached the peak of latency with i9-9900K, and it only really makes perfect sense with cpus of that era.
@@HeartOfAdeII With Alder Lake due to the gear ratio, you need DDR5-7200 to have the same IMC latency as DDR4-3600. So yeah, the reason for the higher performance in this video is the bandwidth. DDR5 also has other improvements that mean clock-for-clock it should perform better than DDR4.
@@HeartOfAdeII 10900K you mean. But thats not true at all, DDR4 does well with 12th, 13th and 14th gen too. You need really 2 dimm slot motherboard to get DDR5 8000Mhz stable.
The RAM generation has nothing to do with the usage. He probably left something open in the background or, Windows was doing something so more memory was used.
@@TuxikCE Actually, RAM speed will affect RAM usage. It has been discussed and tested on many RUclips channels. DDR5 is only slightly more power efficient and slightly faster. but that's all, nothing more ~ 🤣🤣
@@laszlozsurka8991 damn, 25fps when both are in the 320fps range and at 1080p, that less than 10% lmao, lows in that game is where D5 wins, and its still is an outlier. D5 will get better because stronger cpus with only D5 support will be coming out, alongside stronger gpus, but as how it stands, games themselves are for the most part are gonna remain the same until stuff like UE6 are out.
@TestingGames hello, could you do a test of DDR4 versus DDR5 in 1440p resolution and with DLL activation for quality, it would be interesting to see a test that is close to real conditions and see the difference at 1440p
does it worth to buy a whole ddr5 kit (mobo and ram ) to only get 4 to 8 fps more ? no specially if you are going with a card like 4070 and you'll use it for 1440p gaming you won't notice damn thing this was rtx 4090 and it just overall give higher fps and make the ddr5 barely noticable
Hi. Can you help me out? I've been looking for MB for my new white Cabinet but god damn.. choosing System especially motherboard is so stressing especially with DDR5 thanks to lot of bug, hardware issue etc.. back then I planned to make system on Ddr4 but people keep telling me Ddr5 is better for performance at same price of DDR4.. I'm so fking stressed up because of this. Can you tell me is it really fine to go with DDR4 in 2024 if I'm planning to using my pc for next 4 or 5 year? My current worry is Performance for next 5 years & gaming on 2k(or 1440p games become high graphic demanding later)
@@Am4ndeepSingh i mean ddr5 is better but the thing that we are talking about is the price, if you can find a mobo that comes with ddr5 and am4 or lga1700 (am5 fine as well cause am5 is more expensive ) for like 165 dollars or at last 200 dollars and some cheap pair of ddr5 6000mhz rams, dd5 if you have the money go for ddr5 fs and no one can't tell you that ddr5 is as expensive as ddr4 cause at least your mobo will be more expensive than a ddr4 mobo but there is no bugs or any problems with ddr5 then again, if you have money : ddr5 if you don't want to spend that much : ddr4 and let me tell you that higher ram doesn't have that much of difference if you are only play games
@@amirrezaafzalinia1556 well it's not about price since both DDR4 & DDR5 are nearly at same price & as for bugs in DDR5 if you read different brands' motherboards' reviews then their customers are facing different issues like bugs in bios(mostly in Asrock), bad hardware quality & soldering(mostly in Asus unfortunately), doesn't boot windows problem(mostly every brands facing in some of their MBs, can't say about MSI since I didn't read their reviews yet) & some has no display & no booting pc if the GPU is inserted in some PCI slot & I just read two same problem with AORUS lastest fully white Z790 motherboard having Windows 10 wifi issues & other I forgot that's why I stressed so much choosing a motherboard, I want good performance for gaming for next 4 or 5yrs until DDR6 arrives or either DDR5 fully matured.. & if ddr5 high frequency rams doesn't increase fps or provide better gaming experience then what they're for?
@@Am4ndeepSingh they make cpu to use more of your gpu that way they give a couple more fps (tiny) and as far as i know and have seen there is not that much of bugs for ddr5 and if that is what keeping you from buying ddr5 then i'll say go for it
Great video. 13900k, 4090 here w/ 32gb of DDR4. I game AAA titles with all setting maxed at 3440x1440p. Would DDR5 get me a few more frames? Yes, but is it worth $330 to upgrade my motherboard and ram? no. Most importantly, would I notice any real world gaming difference? Not at all.
Thank you for this comparison, as I still have a 12600k with 32gb DDR4 4000Mhz CL18. And thinking about upgrading to 14600K to get most out of my DDR4 system before the need to upgrade to DDR5.
@@ipzss DDR5 is (more) futureproof so you have to add that to the consideration.. if you are planning to keep the very same pc for like 5-8 years you can be sure you will be better with DDR5.. I mean now it seems like you pay more for less performance but if you go with DDR4 I'm pretty sure you will regret it in a few years and you will wish that if you would have bought a DDR5 motherboard
@@belakiss1381 It's not about "going" ddr4 or ddr5, I Already have a 12600KF with DDR4 platform. Meaning, I'm not going to buy a new motherboard and new RAM just for the sake of it being ddr5. If I had nothing atm, ofc I would go with ddr5. I'm talking about swapping my 12600KF to a 14600KF.
So between 0 and 6% for twice the price and pricier mobos, a 14600k and a 4090, worth it. And people tells u "i Will Buy ddr5 with a 12400f and i Will have already ddr5 for the future".
HWiNFO64 OSD can display anything you want like ram stick temps, ram power draw, timings. Motherboard temperature, motherboard power draw, PCI slots power draw. All voltages. HDD, SSD Usage, activity and even System WHEA Errors if you have unstable overclock or dying hardware.
The price and platform change(for AMD4 users) is what's getting most people, hopefully like what happened with DDR4, prices will drop significantly in the coming 2-4 years
This i5 isn't using the 6000mt/s, is capped to 5600, and is a bottleneck for the 4090. Need al most a ryzen 7 or core i7 for have a better performance for this ddr5 ram at 6000mt/s, no mhz.
Hello, with the 13600k should i buy DDR4 motherboard and keep my 32GB (4x8) DDR4 3600MHz 18-22-22-42 CL18. Or do i buy a DDR5 motherboard and either buy cheapest 16/32GB kit and in future upgrade to a good 32GB (2x16) DDR5 kit?
I just switched my 13600k to a ddr5 6400m/t kit, much smoother, feels better....I play alot of WoW which is more CPU bound than other games and it did make a difference :) GG gl in your ventures...
You're running into some real silicon lottery territory there with a 4000MT+ DDR4. Unless you have a unicorn IMC, you probably can't run 4400 in gear 1. If you want the most out of DDR4, make sure it's a b-die kit and get it going as fast as your IMC can handle gear 1 and then _properly tune the subtimings._ DDR5 has a clear bandwidth advantage, but a well tuned DDR4 kit can still achieve excellent memory latency.
@@gttchoppag631 на самом деле от таймингов всё зависит. На DDR4 3200 например будет cl16 лучше, чем на DDR5 6000 cl32. Это 100%. Но мне не известно, сильно ли зависит разрешение игры при этом. Потому что бОльшее разрешение сильнее нагружает оперативку, и сильнее греет полюбому.
2 years is just perfect timing for DDR4 users to jump on DDR6 wagon. DDR6 will deliver twice the speed of DDR5 and lower latency so DDR5 is dead man walking XD
6000mhz is the perfect sweetspot for ddr5 zone, as per performance:price, thats why im using xpg lancer d5 6000mt cl40 kits ( safely oc able upto 6400 cl 34) with my i5 13500
Just got a 4080 Super a month ago and then the next day got a 12900k 32gb ram and a z790 board for 399 bucks. I am installing that here shortly but its replacing a 8700k with 32bg ddr4 and a I had a 2080 ti. Just going from a 2080 ti to the 4080 S was a huge jump, the new CPU and ddr5 should be a substantial bump on top of that.
Basically ddr4 has half the speed and half the memory timing which explain why the perform similar to ddr5 wich have twice the speed and sadly twice memory timing, i guess the advancment in ddr5 memory timing managment in the next years would would improve performance as well the increase in speed as ddr5 matures
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Hello, Can You do test memories RAM like you do 1 year ago "What is the Optimal RAM Speed for DDR5?" but without changing MHz of DDR5 memory but changing only CL ? Thanks!
Ram speed is so overrated, ram amount is so underrated. 64GB for gaming it is in 2024, no more, no less, ddr4 3000 is more than enough, and it costs 100 bugs, everyone can afford that for their PC build, or they shouldn’t build a PC for playing games, and fix their financials instead.
you got 4090 and still playing in FHD res ?
Please remember that at 4k, the difference between DDR4 and DDR5 is next to none, even if you use DLSS/FSR Performance which bumps internal res down to 1080p.
There's plenty of games where you can run into a CPU bottleneck on a 4090 at 4K. Especially when running DLSS.
if you are using nvidia, frame generation gonna eliminate a lot of cpu bottleneck, especially at 4k, tho it's gonna add some latency
@@patorikusutaru7483 That's not how it works, it only adds frames on top of what you're getting already, if you're CPU bottlenecked, it'll still be CPU bottlenecked. A 7800X3D will still show much higher fps than a 5600X for example. Those extra frames get added due to the interpolation regardless of your CPU though, but the base framerate still effects it.
it's not 4k, any system that has gpu usage of 99% will not benefit from faster ram
even at 1080p something like rtx 4060 will not benifit from faster ram
it's only useful in cpu limited scenarios
A more interesting comparison is 3200 vs 6400, 3600vs7200, 4000vs8000. If you wanted to compare an outlier, you could do 4100 vs 8200 or even 4200v8400 but those outliers are really pushing the memory controllers on both. I'd love to see this type of match up!
Nice brain
Надо в 4К сравнивать,а там разницы не будет
On paper sure, but this is a solid representation of actual average setups. DDR4 3600 is the affordable sweet spot that most motherboards can easily boot. While DDR5 6000 is the average sweetspot currently. Kits beyond 6000 are much more expensive and hard to post in a lot of systems (I know because my DDR5 6400 won't post on my aorus z690 with 4 sticks, had to downclock to 6000 and cl30 for stability)
@@MAXfVRt It isn't about cost and averages. With the falling cost and massive wave of DDR5 kits >7000 and even >=8000 kits and many 13th and 14th gen chips hitting it no problem (especially on two dimm boards) it will give a better representation of performance compared to known upper and EOL DDR4 configs scaling up to 4000 and beyond. I had no problems hitting 4000 DDR4 on my 12900k on a 4 DIMM board even.
It is just about giving an overall picture of how DDR4 and DDR5 faire against each other along various frequencies using standard XMP profiles even.
We're not even touching upon manually dialing in timings for even better performance on each platform.
4 sticks can and are routinely problematic. Stick to 2 sticks or suffer potentially the need to use lower frequencies if you need the RAM capacity.
2x24GB DDR5 sticks, especially on 2-dimm boards, are really scaling well to 8000 and even beyond.
Again, this is more about seeing a much wider comparison of DDR4 3200-4000 vs DDR5 ~6000-8000. That is all. :)
The cpu can only handle 3200 and 5600 so none of that would do anything?
It‘s about 5% difference on average. Fast DDR4 has a better price/performance ratio and will be good enough for the next 3-5 years still.
DDR4-3600 CL14 like they say they used in this test is super expensive, more expensive than DDR5.
Regular DDR4 is slower.
Ya can't use it with newer cpus
So no not enough for 3-5 years for a new pc build
@@Birdman._. Yeah
Its not even that expensive. I picked up 32gb 4000mhz cl16 from outlet for 150. Now it's overclocked to 4100mhz cl14 and its not that much worse than 8000 for much less cost@@Rachit0904
@@Rachit0904 You would get pretty much the same results using a DDR4 3600 CL 16 which costs a lot less. There are other test videos showing just that.
If your primary goal is gaming, then DDR4 is fully enough to achieve a high performance.
Great! Don't need to worry about my DDR4 motherboard holding me back if I upgrade from a 12600k.
The difference is negligible, I'm still using DDR4 myself with Intel 13th gen. It's not worth it to upgrade, maybe with DDR6
the difference is not very big, but DDR5 is the future
In 2021, I said that I couldn't wait for DDR5....
obviously. 😆
Low 0.1% sometimes is worst for ddr5. Maybe games need to develop aiming that kind of hw
DDR5 is essentially waste of money.
@@stupidreligionz It's not given how future platforms are not gonna support DDR4. AMD already ditched DDR4 and Intel will soon. Also DDR5 is only €30 more expensive than DDR4.
awesome, I was just looking for a video like this😊
Should have had Spiderman in the benchmark suite.
That game actually scales with memory bandwidth.
Ah, the age old RAM question, bandwidth vs latency. You can clearly see which game favors which. Although the speed of the DDR5 is able to generally overpower the reduced latency of the DDR4 the latency sensitive games can still keep up in 0.1% lows. I can't wait to see what future DDR5 kits can do to lower the latency and make that better. Generally from generation to generation there is not really any change to latency, the added bandwidth evens out the slower latency of the newer kits, but from the looks of things we may actually see a slight reduction this generation of RAM.
Yawn not worth upgrading DD4 system to DDR5 skip that generation.
what's interesting is that i am noticing that the ddr5 system seems to be using less memory and sometimes the gpu memory has less usage as well on the ddr5 system
but, these are 2 completely different motherboards, so the guy had to have used different drives as well
it is possible he didn't keep the same windows settings/background apps/services, so that may affect that #'s we're seeing, along with bios settings
Why different motherboards?
@@Jord_OP
all motherboards can only use one type of ram, so if it uses ddr5, it can't use ddr4,ddr3,ddr2, etc
same with ddr4, it can't use ddr5,ddr3,etc.
Didn’t even think about that
@@seeking.eternitylga 1700 boards says hi
@@formersat lga1700 has ddr4 and ddr5 versions, but the specific motherboards themselves can't use any ram except one type
just in case my previous comment wasn't clear
Hardly any worthy difference, even @1080p. If you exclusively play @4K 165hz or lower refresh rate, then save your money, or get a better GPU and get Intel 13th gen DDR4 mobo, or Ryzen 5000 with a decent 32GB DDR4 kit.
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but you forget you wont be able to upgrade in the future.
Best is to get 7500F with DDR 6000Mhz Cl30 and you can upgrade in some years to a powerfull X3D cpu without having to upgrade ram or mainboard
AM4 is a dead platform. You literally won't be able to upgrade your CPU 3-5 years from now without changing your motherboard.
@@laszlozsurka8991 5800x3D is more than enough if you play exclusively @4K 165hz
@@ZiZo34344 5800X3D is gonna become obsolete in 3 years at 4K. RTX 5090 will bottleneck the crap out of it.
Your are wrong, the right CL for Gaming on DDR5 is Cl 30 or 32. With 36 or 40 You are not getting all the Performance in this GEN.
The best test would be using a gpu with 8GB VRAM (forcing the use of system ram) and 8/16 system memory to see if there really is a difference between ddr4 and ddr5 and their frequencies.
wow is a test like that shows the difference, I'm new to pc and never thought of testing it that way, literally learning new things everyday.
it depends on the specific game but many will not tolerate what you are describing and will simply crash. if it's an asset that's critical-if not the game may simply begin to stutter or otherwise. but yes good idea
If you already have a computer with DDR4, the change isn't worth it, if you are building a new one, I would go with DDR5, 30 € difference is too little money compared to the cost of the computer and it's future proof.
ofc its not worth it.
"Future proof"
At the future there will be better things, also ddr5 is gonna be cheaper
@@velk_wanggoudan DDR4 has already been with us 9 years. I expect something similar with DDR5. After these years DDR4 is not so much cheaper so I'll go for DDR5, I'm not going to be poorer by spending 30€ more in my next computer in something that is 5-10% faster.
u dont say!
@@gonzalocorchon6509 5-10% faster with a fokin lot of stutter
The difference is significant in some modern games like Hitman 3 and Microsoft Flight Simulator: 5 to 6% higher FPS cannot be ignored...
You won't be able to notice that unless you're a organic frame rate counter.
msfs can go to 40fps and im not even gonna notice the difference since im in the cockpit, moreso when im already pulling 140fps on average
@@EarthIsFlat456 MFS2020 is the most demanding game when you fly low and mods have been added. FPS can go down to 40 and at that point, 6% more fps means a lot.
@@ishiddddd4783 140 FPS at what resolution? maxed out graphics? Ray Tracing OFF? Any mods installed? When you fly very low above city skylines, FPS can drop dramatically and this is when 6% more FPS can be a visible difference.
@@Seventh7Art a 6% fps difference is never going to be noticeable because it's still either going to be good or will be unplayable regardless.
When you are dipping to the 30fps range, it's a 1.5fps difference, and at the 90fps range, it's a 5fps difference.
MSFS lacks RT, and it's so dependant on single thread performance since it can only use one core, that you can see that at times even lows were higher on D4 while avg was higher on D5, let alone if you play higher than 1080p the differences become even more negligible since the advantages of faster vram go down when resolution goes up.
And at ultra settings, 1440p, 7900XT a310 on new york average of 90fps, 737 pmdg and maddog md80 140fps average, most of the time the gpu isn't even being maxed out since the cpu usage is just fluctuating.
By the time the difference on ram speed starts making an even larger gap, these comparisons will be irrelevant when even then it's mostly going to be reliant on the strength of the cpu, and that no more DDR4 compatible chips are gonna be coming out.
DDR5 is great for those who don't have enough VRAM because it has much higher bandwidth. 💀
but girls hated ddr4 n want the greatest n lastest tho
@user-nt6el5gb1w If you didn't compare this with same CPU your test is entirely null and void. Your newer CPU made the difference, not so much the RAM.
@user-nt6el5gb1w Wrong. You're the one avoiding to see its mostly your CPU making the difference. What was the other CPU you were comparing to? i3 13100 vs what CPU?
@user-nt6el5gb1w Your first statement makes nothing clear. You swapped DDR4 Z790 motherboard for Z790 DDR5 motherboard? You would've gotten much more FPS boost by spending the extra money on i5 13600K instead of new DDR5 lmao.
@user-nt6el5gb1w And learn some basic English, can't really understand your gibberish.
I expected better gains to be completely honest. Only CP2077 and Starfield from the tested games benefitted a lot from DDR5
You have not only more FPS with DDR5 and you have also better frametimes too and power savings and lower RAM temperatures
4090 and fullHD respect
I love it that you still use the Witcher iii in your videos
I love that game
I am using 14700KF with DDR4 4000MHz CL17. I don't think I'm affected, for now. My old 3070Ti is not affected with 3200MHz CL14 either.
Me too has same ram, ddr4 4000mhz cl17 and they are perfect
13600K with 4000 CL15-17-17-28 and RTX 4080 at 1440p works good enough for me. The 4080 is likely going to become a bigger bottleneck in 2 years from now than rest of my system.
@@club4ghz 4000mhz cl15?? Wooow wich is your ram?
@@OmnianMIU F4-4400C19D-16GTZKK
Had it running 4266 CL16-18-18-28 with 8700K past the last 5 years before upgrading to 13600K.
@@club4ghz it's samsung b-die? I have balliatix 3600 c16 micron b-die and with it i can achieve 4000 c17. Great ram your kit
Maybe i will wait ddr6. Ddr4 still rock
Почти во всех играх 2-4% разница :) Впечатляет (нет). Всего несколько игр около 10% разница. Для игр это явно ненужная вещь. Для профессиональных нужд скорее всего, для работы.
in 1440p and 4k don't have diference
What motherboard did you use in both ? b760 ? or h610
RAM tests are inconsistence as the distance between allocated objects is changed for each launch due to R stands for Random. And if you map the data in ram (do some fundamental optimizations) - you can neglect it. And this is what you see with some more professional studios - no difference is RAM related latency.
Seems like it keeps the FPS more stable, and utilizes less gb overall
Someone with common sense,instead of mutiple slow people in comments saying how the fps isn't much different,ram never has been about giving great fps boost
Glad I stayed with my DDR4 3600 cl14 when upgrading to 12900k. Might make the jump to DDR5 with Arrow Lake pending reviews.
until the end of 2023.
even meteor lake desktop is still not released.
even though it is released, there will definitely be delai and meteor lake refesh series.
This means that you will only find Arrow Lake in 2027 and above ~ 🤣🤣
@@penonton4260 There is no Meteor Lake desktop is was cancelled for desktop. Next CPU is Arrow Lake next year
While DDR5 has much higher bandwidth, latency of DDR4 on 12/13/14 gen increased a lot, is it the reason?
Reason for what?
@@Rachit0904reason for ddr5 being faster despite the loss of latency.
Probably, ideally ddr4 isn't really optimal for 12th gen+, better to run much higher bandwidth than squeezing very low latencies.
Ddr4 pretty much reached the peak of latency with i9-9900K, and it only really makes perfect sense with cpus of that era.
@@HeartOfAdeII With Alder Lake due to the gear ratio, you need DDR5-7200 to have the same IMC latency as DDR4-3600. So yeah, the reason for the higher performance in this video is the bandwidth.
DDR5 also has other improvements that mean clock-for-clock it should perform better than DDR4.
@@HeartOfAdeII 10900K you mean. But thats not true at all, DDR4 does well with 12th, 13th and 14th gen too. You need really 2 dimm slot motherboard to get DDR5 8000Mhz stable.
More of a difference than I was expecting tbh... but not enough for anyone to really care and open their wallet
6000mhz is way to slow for intel, you have to go above 7000 to get a benefit, meanwhile you're good at 6400mhz if you have AMD
Lol I use 3000mhz on 3200mhz ddr4
Ryzen 7000 can't go above 6000mhz most of the time, it's a IMC limitation
@@OmnianMIUwrong for sure you know nothing
the advantage is not only in frames but the ram usage is 20% lower with ddr 5
ok, do you want a cookie now?
The RAM generation has nothing to do with the usage. He probably left something open in the background or, Windows was doing something so more memory was used.
@@TuxikCE Actually, RAM speed will affect RAM usage.
It has been discussed and tested on many RUclips channels.
DDR5 is only slightly more power efficient and slightly faster.
but that's all, nothing more ~ 🤣🤣
@@penonton4260 Prove it. Also, I have never seen discussion on this topic anywhere before.
Would it make any difference in higher resolutions, like 4K?
The difference'd be less
it's similar to cpu testing, the higher the resolution, the less gains from memory
Ddr5 is a waste of time with how close ddr6 is right now just keep your ddr4 for now and wait for the next upgrade in the next 2 years
Lol. With that logic you can keep waiting 😂
What amazes me is that no one talks of the coding effect obvious. Same with CPU's etc...
its what im talking abt, what is expected here, me coming w lots of scars and happily playing games together like lul?
Sorry guys ddr5 needs more upgrade. Prices are too much for today. I prefer buying more powerful gpu/cpu combinations with a ddr4 build.
Games seems bad optimized for DDR5 yet. While avg seems ok, Low 1% and 0.1% are worst most of times - cyberpunk being the perfect example.
maybe my i5-12600k on z790 d4 board can have one last hurrah during the 2025 Black Friday when the 14th Gen prices come down. (eventually)
So, within margin of error, just like PCIE 3 vs 4...hardly any difference at all.
Hitman 3 had 25 FPS difference... I wouldn't call that "hardly any difference"
@@laszlozsurka8991 wow 1 game.
@@jrose-xp6tf And there will be more since games from the future are gonna benefit more from DDR5. DDR4 is 9 years old at this point.
@@laszlozsurka8991 damn, 25fps when both are in the 320fps range and at 1080p, that less than 10% lmao, lows in that game is where D5 wins, and its still is an outlier.
D5 will get better because stronger cpus with only D5 support will be coming out, alongside stronger gpus, but as how it stands, games themselves are for the most part are gonna remain the same until stuff like UE6 are out.
@@ishiddddd4783 Ram usage is also lower with DDR5 than with DDR4 due to the higher bandwith of DDR5.
@TestingGames hello, could you do a test of DDR4 versus DDR5 in 1440p resolution and with DLL activation for quality, it would be interesting to see a test that is close to real conditions and see the difference at 1440p
If you take a short video of the test system before the video starts, it will be clearer that the tests are not fake.
does it worth to buy a whole ddr5 kit (mobo and ram ) to only get 4 to 8 fps more ? no specially if you are going with a card like 4070 and you'll use it for 1440p gaming you won't notice damn thing
this was rtx 4090 and it just overall give higher fps and make the ddr5 barely noticable
Hi. Can you help me out? I've been looking for MB for my new white Cabinet but god damn.. choosing System especially motherboard is so stressing especially with DDR5 thanks to lot of bug, hardware issue etc.. back then I planned to make system on Ddr4 but people keep telling me Ddr5 is better for performance at same price of DDR4.. I'm so fking stressed up because of this.
Can you tell me is it really fine to go with DDR4 in 2024 if I'm planning to using my pc for next 4 or 5 year? My current worry is Performance for next 5 years & gaming on 2k(or 1440p games become high graphic demanding later)
@@Am4ndeepSingh i mean ddr5 is better but the thing that we are talking about is the price, if you can find a mobo that comes with ddr5 and am4 or lga1700 (am5 fine as well cause am5 is more expensive )
for like 165 dollars or at last 200 dollars and some cheap pair of ddr5 6000mhz rams, dd5
if you have the money go for ddr5 fs
and no one can't tell you that ddr5 is as expensive as ddr4 cause at least your mobo will be more expensive than a ddr4 mobo
but there is no bugs or any problems with ddr5
then again, if you have money : ddr5
if you don't want to spend that much : ddr4
and let me tell you that higher ram doesn't have that much of difference if you are only play games
@@amirrezaafzalinia1556 well it's not about price since both DDR4 & DDR5 are nearly at same price & as for bugs in DDR5 if you read different brands' motherboards' reviews then their customers are facing different issues like bugs in bios(mostly in Asrock), bad hardware quality & soldering(mostly in Asus unfortunately), doesn't boot windows problem(mostly every brands facing in some of their MBs, can't say about MSI since I didn't read their reviews yet) & some has no display & no booting pc if the GPU is inserted in some PCI slot & I just read two same problem with AORUS lastest fully white Z790 motherboard having Windows 10 wifi issues & other I forgot
that's why I stressed so much choosing a motherboard, I want good performance for gaming for next 4 or 5yrs until DDR6 arrives or either DDR5 fully matured..
& if ddr5 high frequency rams doesn't increase fps or provide better gaming experience then what they're for?
@@Am4ndeepSingh they make cpu to use more of your gpu that way they give a couple more fps (tiny)
and as far as i know and have seen there is not that much of bugs for ddr5 and if that is what keeping you from buying ddr5 then i'll say go for it
Great video. 13900k, 4090 here w/ 32gb of DDR4. I game AAA titles with all setting maxed at 3440x1440p. Would DDR5 get me a few more frames? Yes, but is it worth $330 to upgrade my motherboard and ram? no. Most importantly, would I notice any real world gaming difference? Not at all.
I rather spend that 330$ on an RGB chair & RGB case.
Hell yeah to the RGB Brother !!!
Brother ?.... Hell Yeah ?
already 3600 mhz cl14 faster than 6000mhz cl36. DDR4 Wins.
Wrong for sure
If you dont have a highend gpu the memory dont matter much.
Сейчас разница небольшая,но в будущем она очень сильно повлияет/скажется! Поэтому нужно уже сейчас собирать на ddr5 памяти!
So basically no difference in games where you are CPU and GPU limited.
Is there less of a difference when the GPU is maxed?
Yes of course. But faster RAM will make it more likely that the GPU is maxed.
No point of upgrading to ddr5 if u already using ddr4... minor improvement on 1080p.. at 4k it almost 0% different.
Ok good my ddr4 12th gen Intel is still ok
Lows '0.1% are worst in ddr5 due to much slower lattencies (in available ddr5 sticks)
Maybe in the future they improve that
Thank you for this comparison, as I still have a 12600k with 32gb DDR4 4000Mhz CL18. And thinking about upgrading to 14600K to get most out of my DDR4 system before the need to upgrade to DDR5.
I bought an i5 14600k and I'm not sure if it's worth investing in DDR5, thinking that I'm going to spend more than I can afford.
@@ipzss DDR5 is (more) futureproof so you have to add that to the consideration.. if you are planning to keep the very same pc for like 5-8 years you can be sure you will be better with DDR5.. I mean now it seems like you pay more for less performance but if you go with DDR4 I'm pretty sure you will regret it in a few years and you will wish that if you would have bought a DDR5 motherboard
@@belakiss1381 It's not about "going" ddr4 or ddr5, I Already have a 12600KF with DDR4 platform. Meaning, I'm not going to buy a new motherboard and new RAM just for the sake of it being ddr5. If I had nothing atm, ofc I would go with ddr5. I'm talking about swapping my 12600KF to a 14600KF.
@@TheBlackHandElite I did not even write to you, that is why your tagging is not in my comment
@@belakiss1381 Oh sorry you're right
So between 0 and 6% for twice the price and pricier mobos, a 14600k and a 4090, worth it.
And people tells u "i Will Buy ddr5 with a 12400f and i Will have already ddr5 for the future".
The difference between ddr4 and ddr5 is 10 to 15 fps so it's not worth it
wow you have to pay at least a 100$ premium for a gpu to get the same fps increase. ddr5 is a no brainer
well 4800 ddr4 is faster than 4800 ddr5
Those are premium price DDR4? 😬
Ну это в 1080р, в 1440р и выше разницы ноль.
10% boost
The change is worth it if I'm going from DDR3 1866mhz 2x8gb (16gb) on my i7 4790k to DDR5 Rams 2x16gb (32gb).
so the difference FPS between two not caused by CAS latency but the data rate?
how do you applied RAM memory clock on OSD? because i don't see this option on my laptop to apply in MSI Afterburner
Most basically it depends on your exact hardware. Maybe the chipset in that case.
@@SuperGigZz oh maybe that's the problem
HWiNFO64 OSD can display anything you want like ram stick temps, ram power draw, timings. Motherboard temperature, motherboard power draw, PCI slots power draw. All voltages. HDD, SSD Usage, activity and even System WHEA Errors if you have unstable overclock or dying hardware.
@@club4ghz yes I know but I want to have this in MSI Afterburner OSD included but i probably can't set it on my hardware
do it with a 4070 or 4070 super
Make 3200MHz vs 4800MHz or 5600MHz. That's what Intel allows you to use in a H or B chipset Mobo.
many B76 mobo have support up to 7200 or even higher, B660 maybe 6000 already. Only the H have a support cap at 4800
Getting either wouldn’t make any sense since they are dead platforms.
6-10 FPS gain is significant enough in gaming.
The price and platform change(for AMD4 users) is what's getting most people, hopefully like what happened with DDR4, prices will drop significantly in the coming 2-4 years
Переходить с 5600х на 7000 сейчас не вижу смысла 3200-3600 с ужатыми таймингами работает отлично, лучше вложится в более производительную видеокарту
So this tells me that ddr6 will be the worthy upgrade if you still using ddr4 for games that is…
Avg Fps อาจต่างไม่มาก แต่พวก Low 0.1% กับ frame time ก็ต่างกันอยู่นะ ถึงfpsต่างไม่เยอะ แต่อย่างอื่นก็ช่วยส่งเสริมความสมูทของเฟรมความนิ่งให้มากขึ้น 😂
This i5 isn't using the 6000mt/s, is capped to 5600, and is a bottleneck for the 4090. Need al most a ryzen 7 or core i7 for have a better performance for this ddr5 ram at 6000mt/s, no mhz.
Hello, with the 13600k should i buy DDR4 motherboard and keep my 32GB (4x8) DDR4 3600MHz 18-22-22-42 CL18. Or do i buy a DDR5 motherboard and either buy cheapest 16/32GB kit and in future upgrade to a good 32GB (2x16) DDR5 kit?
Ddr5 for sure bro. Ddr4 its good but for how long? Maybe another 2 years max .
You’ve already handicapped yourself by running 4 sticks.
I just switched my 13600k to a ddr5 6400m/t kit, much smoother, feels better....I play alot of WoW which is more CPU bound than other games and it did make a difference :) GG gl in your ventures...
FSR, FXAA+TAA and Motion Blur without SSR really best settings for RE4R?
Ddr4 actual
How about 1:1/2 ex: 8000mhz ddr5 vs 4000mhz ddr4
How can you combine rtx 4090 with intel i5
great video, I would love to see faster DDR4 comparison, I have 3600 cl19 now and have my eye on some 4400 cl17.
You're running into some real silicon lottery territory there with a 4000MT+ DDR4. Unless you have a unicorn IMC, you probably can't run 4400 in gear 1. If you want the most out of DDR4, make sure it's a b-die kit and get it going as fast as your IMC can handle gear 1 and then _properly tune the subtimings._ DDR5 has a clear bandwidth advantage, but a well tuned DDR4 kit can still achieve excellent memory latency.
I guess quad channel ddr4 does performs almost the same like dual channel ddr5
if u ran out of vram, youll take way less of a performance hit with ddr5 ram compared to ddr4 at those speeds
Either way you take huge performance hit. GDDR6X is lot faster than DDR5. You never want to run out of VRAM buddy.
My ram is 3200 which is less than hakf my gpu memory speed when ive taken hits, so it wouldn't bother me that much
The lower the fps. the smaller the difference.
А теперь тот же тест, но на разрешении 4к!
Многие пишут что разница маленькая, а я скажу что разница большая, такая разница бывает если сравнивать новое поколение видеокарт и старое.
@@gttchoppag631 на самом деле от таймингов всё зависит. На DDR4 3200 например будет cl16 лучше, чем на DDR5 6000 cl32. Это 100%. Но мне не известно, сильно ли зависит разрешение игры при этом. Потому что бОльшее разрешение сильнее нагружает оперативку, и сильнее греет полюбому.
I think a very good kit b-die ddr4 can outperform a cheap ddr5 kit
DDR4 will literally be obsolete in 2 years, it's like 9 years old at this point also DDR5 is not that expensive anymore.
Lol I used ddr2 pc, quad channel,, still works no issue,, not obsolete
@@AntiGrieferGames 💀
2 years is just perfect timing for DDR4 users to jump on DDR6 wagon. DDR6 will deliver twice the speed of DDR5 and lower latency so DDR5 is dead man walking XD
Does ram CL speed makes a huge difference?
sometimes yes
it affect the stuttering right ? the lower latency the less it happen if im not wrong
Can you do higher bandwidth ddr4 like 4000Mhz + vs DDR5 7600+Mhz?
This is a mainstream channel, they only know about XMP when it comes to RAM
For ddr4 nothing is faster than ddr4 3600 cl14, ddr4 4000 have high latency
@@robertopazsoldan9641 So you are saying that 4000cl14 isn't going to be faster than 3600 cl14 ?
@@club4ghzdifference price ????😂😂😂😂😂 you win😂😂😂😂😂.
Im happy with my DDR4 4600 cl18 :)
Fico no DDR4 mesmo !! não vou gastar e entrega muito proximo
DDR5 is so fast ! A must-buy for every serious 4K gamer !
I wouldn't bother with it unless u are using integrated amd 780m or 880 m graphics than yes ddr5 but for cpu it will work on multi core
Думаю все поняли что ддр5 обязателен к покупке
dam 2x the price for 10 more fps 😂😂
thats very big price for only 10fps
6000mhz is the perfect sweetspot for ddr5 zone, as per performance:price,
thats why im using xpg lancer d5 6000mt cl40 kits ( safely oc able upto 6400 cl 34) with my i5 13500
3600mhz C14 (7.77ns) vs 6000mhz C36 (12ns) of course the performancae difference is small, try 6000mhz C30 (10ns) or better DDR5 in the future
you used very expensive ddr4 ram though. most people have 3200mhz cl16 or 3600 cl 18
Expensive? 10$ pf difference will be expensive for you? Don't be rediculous. A kit 2x16gb 3200 cl16 cost 80$ while a good kit 3600 c16 cost 90$
@@OmnianMIU3600 CL14*
Just got a 4080 Super a month ago and then the next day got a 12900k 32gb ram and a z790 board for 399 bucks. I am installing that here shortly but its replacing a 8700k with 32bg ddr4 and a I had a 2080 ti. Just going from a 2080 ti to the 4080 S was a huge jump, the new CPU and ddr5 should be a substantial bump on top of that.
Todavía no vale la pena todo el gasto que supone ddr5. No están afiladas.. por 10fps cambiar mother rams? No tiene sentido. Es muy cara todavía.
Me with an intel hd 4000 igpu and 1600mhz ddr3 ram watching this video🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
Basically ddr4 has half the speed and half the memory timing which explain why the perform similar to ddr5 wich have twice the speed and sadly twice memory timing, i guess the advancment in ddr5 memory timing managment in the next years would would improve performance as well the increase in speed as ddr5 matures
DDR5 are verry useless for the moment. The difference with Price/perf is useless...
Only 1-10 fps.
But for future.