Awesome video. I just got a Summit with the monster Traxxas Velineon system and have been trying to determine if a 6s battery was too much or not. Seems like 4s is the way to go.
awesome I ran my summit brushless with a 2000kv 6pole motor for many years on 4s. Stock gearing, modified cogs in the transmission so there wasnt a ton of play between power and free rolling, which really helps the drive train. Only ever broke a couple axles at the diff, easy fix as there is so much material on them. Drill a new hole and ran for a couple more years. One of the best all around rigs I ever had. Obviously I didnt bash it like my other monster trucks, but it was a trailing/crawling beast. Heck of a floater too ;)
Your drive shafts should be ok for a while I'm running hobbywing xerun pro 6s esc and a tenshock 4274 2200kv motor sensored and my gearing is 14/64 and I can crawl slow as stock or wheely all over. I have hot racing metal drive shafts and leading edge machine V2 transmission dog carrier to take the slop out. And rc4wd 40 series mud slingers . And rpm rod ends. But I never did break a stock drive shaft before I switched. For sure get the 7mm toe links and rpm rod ends. The weakest point on this summit is the rear links and the slop in the transmission. I love mine man it never breaks anymore. Keep the summit video coming man.
My summit has a ton of upgrades and after 10 minutes in the sand the front diff was toast. Not even bashing it😩. Any recommendations? I have the aluminum integy bulk heads with the hot racing aluminum diff housings, lem cups and hardened spiral cut gears
Did you have to do anything to the transmission or pinion and spur gears? I am looking to do the same conversion, but i turned my summit into an erevo.
Nice one! The prob with ballooning is that you end up with nearly zero contact with the road, and it raises the center of gravity, so almost zero control. Belted tires would solve that, but then the reduced diameter also reduces the top speed. But at least there's less chance of breaking the truck! Oh! I just though of something else to improve control. How about doing what they do for shipping the new ones. Zip tie the suspension links so the ride height is reduced and stiffened?????? 👍
That definitely would probably help if I zipped tied the suspension down….I’ve done that with my 1/16 e revo when doing speed runs….it seems to work pretty well
If you want to take out some of the body roll, you can try the E revo's cantilever pivots, there are 4 of them (one is specific to the Summit), and 3 of them you will loose (I believe) about 30mm of compression travel at the top end of the compression movement (are progressive). The sleight outward toe can help a little with stability, but will really shorten the life of your tires by scrubbing the inside edges, they'll wear much faster.
@@RCKnockout Yeah, the plastic pivots that the tie-rods connect to, and screw into those metal posts on the chassis (there are 3 90mm ones for the E revo, and the 1 120mm long travel version for the Summit). I forget what the part is actually called.
@@RCKnockout Yeah, that is what they claim anyway. It is also in the manual, and I decided to try the different ones out myself, and Hot Racing used to have (maybe they still have them) an aluminum one that had all the adjustment settings, and you just get progressively stiffer settings the closer in towards the mounting posts that you attached the pushrod, otherwise if you get the Traxxas ones, they just have 3 fixed positions to choose from.
I have the same truck as you! I bought the MMX 2200 back when it was first released and decided to make my summit brushless. I didn’t break anything at first but I thought it was only time before I did. So I bought LEM diffs but have had a tuff time with the ring gears ever since. I haven’t had time to mess with it in more then 3 yrs. Thinking of trying to get it back up soon. Just wanted to see if you experienced this issue as well?
hi, i have summit with 2 2s 5000 lipo batteries , evx2 esc supports up to 4s , so im using 2x2s batteries , i dont understand its still 2s or 4s , can i use 2x4s ?
No you can use 2x 2s packs equals 4s….really that’s all you could use….you could use one 4s and a jumper for the second connector but there isn’t enough room in those trays to fit a 4s pack
I upgraded mine to brushles a whil back, but i used the hobbywing max8 combo 4-6s, motor is 2200kv as well. So far wo fun. But i geared my pinion down 2 teeth to 12toothed one to keep it calm
In summit, I prefer a brushed motor. BTW Great wheels - extremely loud on the asphalt and a bit ballooning. But their softness fits perfectly with the summit.
To tell you the truth..im not sure if you like it that way but its moving pretty slow my slash on 2s 25c..27tpinion.and a 83t spur gets me low 40smph..so im confused how a 6s dnt get you a solid 55mph
It’s way faster than stock. Not to mention this is easily double the weight of a Slash. They’re not even the same scale actually. Keep in mind it takes more power to move more weight
@@RCKnockout there is no transmission gear upgrade. Only the metal dog carrier. And sorry bro I was asking this kid but it somehow went to @you. My bad
@@theirishaxe9405 no worries. It’s crazy with how long the Summit has been out that no one makes upgraded transmission gears for it! I wish someone did
Still thinking about brushless for the summit, but. Exactly what you said about the truck being able to keep up. With the motor, and the cost , suspension, etc.
Yeah I like the power it has on 4s….6s isn’t really manageable…..unfortunately I’ve still had diff failures running on 4s…so I’m not sure what my next move is gonna be?
Man those tires looked like big arse pizza cutters lol You definitely need some foams or belted tires to do some controlled speed runs That was cool to see with the stock tires though Crazy seeing a Summit go that fast Awesome vid bro 🔥👍✌️ Edit Back 20 plus years ago when I did speed runs I'd steer with the trim nob lol Believe it or not it works great I didn't have rates on the controllers I had back then so steering with the trim slowed the rates way down and helped a lot Crazy the things ya can come up with on these RCs especially now a days ✌️
I gotcha! That’s a pretty cool idea to use the trim knob. These aren’t actually the stock tires these are Proline Rock Rage Tires. I could definitely use some belted tires though
Bro, get a go pro head mount so you can drive with 2 hands. Your driving a Rubicon jeep playing with thousands of dollars in rc but using your phone to record. It's also better for our viewing. Go pros are pretty cheap these days.
@@RCKnockout it's not the quality, I was just saying that you could control your rc better with 2 hands. Especially when bashing to. Easier for you and better viewing for us. The quality is fine.
@@RCKnockout just did a brushless swap on my senton mega and it runs somewhere between there on 3s . I figure the summit is somewhere close to the size of the senton so I could only assume they had similar performance
@@nitronut4206 the Senton 6s version….if you’re referring to the Senton 3s that’s way smaller than a Summit….the Summit is the same size as the ERevo…they share the same chassis actually
@@RCKnockout yes I did mean the 6s version . And even though mine was the brushed version it's still 6s capable and sould be a blast to rip around on 6s once I get the new hardened steel spur/slipper gear for it. Ended up distroying the 3s Spur. Was confetti in the trans lol
@@RCKnockout actually internally, the transmission is functionally the same, 3 stacked gears(basically a remixed emaxx transmission) It just has a low range set of gears and shifter in there. Pretty sure you can do a 2 speed conversion on the old Erevo too. Strength of the diffs is pretty much the same too(made of cheap sintered metal) the only real difference is you might shred the diff lockers with the extra power if something jams up 😅 Plenty have gone brushless with the summit and the failure points are the plastic drive shafts, rear diff, and final drive gear in the transmission(same as the V1 Erevo) - you've got the added problem of wheels that cant handle high speed though. Have a look at the Louise MT 3.8 range, you'll want the Rocket style for speed runs, and the Pioneer are a decent all rounder for off road use
@@ManuelOrtizification yeah the stock summit driveshafts aren’t good for power…..neither are the diffs…..I’ve never owned an E Revo…..but I don’t think it is nearly as weak overall as the Summit…..it’s just not good at taking very much power
@@RCKnockout they actually run the same drive shafts too, about 90% of the drive train is shared between the two and much of it is shared with the E/Tmaxx as well (good thing if you own all 3) You can run the spiral cut diff gears (5379R, also fits the slash 4x4) and the steel drive shafts (axles and center - 5451R/5650R respectively) also uses the slash 4x4 slipper clutch so you can run a 46T spur gear for even more speed. The only thing you cant fit from the V1 Erevo is the output gears in the transmission or the center diff. transmission case on the summit is longer in the bottom end to make room for the high/low gears.(you can swap out the entire transmission though. Erevo 2.0 transmission fits too) Basically all of the RPM upgrades for the V1 Erevo and the 2.0 fit as well (true track set up eliminates the issue of rod ends pulling off in the back) Traxxas has exploded views on their website which can be helpful to see whats compatible 😉
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I thought about converting mine, but a wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
That is very true lol 😂
my brushed merv is so reliable. couldnt do that to it
Awesome video. I just got a Summit with the monster Traxxas Velineon system and have been trying to determine if a 6s battery was too much or not. Seems like 4s is the way to go.
Thanks! Yeah I’d say 4s is much safer to run…especially if you’re trying not to break parts lol
awesome
I ran my summit brushless with a 2000kv 6pole motor for many years on 4s. Stock gearing, modified cogs in the transmission so there wasnt a ton of play between power and free rolling, which really helps the drive train. Only ever broke a couple axles at the diff, easy fix as there is so much material on them. Drill a new hole and ran for a couple more years. One of the best all around rigs I ever had. Obviously I didnt bash it like my other monster trucks, but it was a trailing/crawling beast. Heck of a floater too ;)
Yeah I think if I keep mine 4s it’ll be much more likely to stay together lol 😂…I’m glad you’ve had good luck with your conversion!
Your drive shafts should be ok for a while I'm running hobbywing xerun pro 6s esc and a tenshock 4274 2200kv motor sensored and my gearing is 14/64 and I can crawl slow as stock or wheely all over. I have hot racing metal drive shafts and leading edge machine V2 transmission dog carrier to take the slop out. And rc4wd 40 series mud slingers . And rpm rod ends. But I never did break a stock drive shaft before I switched. For sure get the 7mm toe links and rpm rod ends. The weakest point on this summit is the rear links and the slop in the transmission. I love mine man it never breaks anymore. Keep the summit video coming man.
Thanks man! Do you know of any aftermarket transmission gears available for the Summit?
My summit has a ton of upgrades and after 10 minutes in the sand the front diff was toast. Not even bashing it😩. Any recommendations? I have the aluminum integy bulk heads with the hot racing aluminum diff housings, lem cups and hardened spiral cut gears
Did you have to do anything to the transmission or pinion and spur gears? I am looking to do the same conversion, but i turned my summit into an erevo.
No mods to the trans….metal pinion and spur….17/62 gearing
@@RCKnockout thanks for replying!
@@ginovieto you’re welcome
This is one class rc brilliant video bro
Thanks man!
We didn’t break anything.......you did!!!......😉
Great vid ......very helpful 👍🏾
That’s true! I broke it so you don’t have to lol 😂…glad you found it helpful
Hi, those tires are Trenchers 3.8??.
Proline Rock Rage 3.8
Thx
@ yep
But what was the current draw for each on that gearing?
I’m not sure what exactly you mean? The battery packs were 70c and 60c discharge rate…is that what you’re asking?
Nice run
Thanks!
Nice one! The prob with ballooning is that you end up with nearly zero contact with the road, and it raises the center of gravity, so almost zero control. Belted tires would solve that, but then the reduced diameter also reduces the top speed. But at least there's less chance of breaking the truck! Oh! I just though of something else to improve control. How about doing what they do for shipping the new ones. Zip tie the suspension links so the ride height is reduced and stiffened?????? 👍
That definitely would probably help if I zipped tied the suspension down….I’ve done that with my 1/16 e revo when doing speed runs….it seems to work pretty well
If you want to take out some of the body roll, you can try the E revo's cantilever pivots, there are 4 of them (one is specific to the Summit), and 3 of them you will loose (I believe) about 30mm of compression travel at the top end of the compression movement (are progressive). The sleight outward toe can help a little with stability, but will really shorten the life of your tires by scrubbing the inside edges, they'll wear much faster.
Thanks for the recommendations! So you mean the cantilevers or the e revo shocks?
@@RCKnockout Yeah, the plastic pivots that the tie-rods connect to, and screw into those metal posts on the chassis (there are 3 90mm ones for the E revo, and the 1 120mm long travel version for the Summit). I forget what the part is actually called.
@@drog343 so if I put them on my summit it will essentially give me less suspension travel?
@@RCKnockout Yeah, that is what they claim anyway. It is also in the manual, and I decided to try the different ones out myself, and Hot Racing used to have (maybe they still have them) an aluminum one that had all the adjustment settings, and you just get progressively stiffer settings the closer in towards the mounting posts that you attached the pushrod, otherwise if you get the Traxxas ones, they just have 3 fixed positions to choose from.
@@drog343 I’ll definitely have to check out the Hot Racing ones! Thanks for the info! 👍😉
Have you ever thought about doing an rc tour and show us all of then
Yep……once I reach 10k subscribers I’m gonna do a full rig walk around
Nice truck! How’s the diffs holding up?
I have the same truck as you! I bought the MMX 2200 back when it was first released and decided to make my summit brushless. I didn’t break anything at first but I thought it was only time before I did. So I bought LEM diffs but have had a tuff time with the ring gears ever since. I haven’t had time to mess with it in more then 3 yrs. Thinking of trying to get it back up soon. Just wanted to see if you experienced this issue as well?
The diffs are pretty weak let’s put it that way lol 😂
@@RCKnockout yeah I need to figure out why these ring gears are getting smoked in 3 mins of running time.
@@johnc7894 yeah I’ll definitely have some upgrades coming to help strengthen up this drivetrain
Do you still have alll servo working still on 4s and 6s ?
Yeah they still work
hi, i have summit with 2 2s 5000 lipo batteries , evx2 esc supports up to 4s , so im using 2x2s batteries , i dont understand its still 2s or 4s , can i use 2x4s ?
No you can use 2x 2s packs equals 4s….really that’s all you could use….you could use one 4s and a jumper for the second connector but there isn’t enough room in those trays to fit a 4s pack
@@RCKnockout thanks🙂
@@unknown-mw9gr you’re welcome 😉
I upgraded mine to brushles a whil back, but i used the hobbywing max8 combo 4-6s, motor is 2200kv as well. So far wo fun. But i geared my pinion down 2 teeth to 12toothed one to keep it calm
Nice! You run yours on 6s?
@@RCKnockout currently 4s, need to get a pair of large 3s batteries, most i have are 2200mah or smaller for scale crawlers, heh
@@fromfin90 yeah I don’t bash mine on 6s it’s always breaking lol
Crazy speed
@@NCMATT yeah it’s pretty fast!
Love the video, try belted tires next time on the summit
Thanks! Belted tires might be something I’ll have to look into
What bateries your recomend for me? A have a traxxas summit 1/10
I run hoovo 2s lipos…they’re 6200mah 80c and are pretty cheap too
I think the tires start ballooning at that speed and they just send the truck off into the weeds
Yeah there’s no control once they balloon up to saucers
@@RCKnockout 👍
You need to get or make a camera mount for your controller so you can use both hands with driving LOL.
That would be helpful lol
cool rc and nice power in it,cool run
Thank you!
In summit, I prefer a brushed motor.
BTW Great wheels - extremely loud on the asphalt and a bit ballooning. But their softness fits perfectly with the summit.
Thanks! To all their own……I prefer the power of brushless but the reliability with brushed….guess you can’t win either way lol
High-speed driving on pizza cutters very difficult
Yes it is!
Nice video! I recommend that if you're gonna do speed runs you should get a camera man so that you have full control.
Thanks! I actually have a controller mount for my phone but I never use it….I probably should
Sweet run. That's one awesome conversion. You should try different tires, maybe belted for the Summit. Much love from Bakersfield Ca.
Thanks! Belted tires might be coming in the future…
To tell you the truth..im not sure if you like it that way but its moving pretty slow my slash on 2s 25c..27tpinion.and a 83t spur gets me low 40smph..so im confused how a 6s dnt get you a solid 55mph
It’s way faster than stock. Not to mention this is easily double the weight of a Slash. They’re not even the same scale actually. Keep in mind it takes more power to move more weight
@@RCKnockout oh ok didnt know that crazy..great vid keep them coming➕👍👍👍⚡
@@alexnava7664 no problem. Glad you’re enjoying them!
My guess is 35mph for 4S and 45mph for 6S.
Not a bad guess
How is model engine ?
Yeah it’s a very strong motor
@@RCKnockout but version engine?
@@pawesowinski1359 it’s the 2200kv Velineon Motor from the ERevo 2.0
Thx:)
@@pawesowinski1359 you’re welcome 😉
I upgraded everything you can upgrade on that Summit especially gears. I have castle 6s installed on mine.
You run it on 6s? What gears did you put in yours?
@@RCKnockout what gears do you mean bro? Just the spur? Or have you found metal gears for the transmission?
@@theirishaxe9405 that’s what I was wondering? If you had metal gears in the transmission? I can’t find that upgrade available anywhere
@@RCKnockout there is no transmission gear upgrade. Only the metal dog carrier. And sorry bro I was asking this kid but it somehow went to @you. My bad
@@theirishaxe9405 no worries. It’s crazy with how long the Summit has been out that no one makes upgraded transmission gears for it! I wish someone did
Still thinking about brushless for the summit, but.
Exactly what you said about the truck being able to keep up. With the motor, and the cost , suspension, etc.
Yeah I like the power it has on 4s….6s isn’t really manageable…..unfortunately I’ve still had diff failures running on 4s…so I’m not sure what my next move is gonna be?
Any update after a few years? I'd like to convert mine to brushless 4s. Could a slipper help preserve the diffs?
Thanks for trying 6s, I'm always curious of how fast it will be on 6s. I think I'll stick with 4S. Thanks👍
Yeah I might try sticking to 4s as well…6s probably is gonna break a lot of parts lol 😂
Man those tires looked like big arse pizza cutters lol You definitely need some foams or belted tires to do some controlled speed runs That was cool to see with the stock tires though Crazy seeing a Summit go that fast Awesome vid bro 🔥👍✌️
Edit Back 20 plus years ago when I did speed runs I'd steer with the trim nob lol Believe it or not it works great I didn't have rates on the controllers I had back then so steering with the trim slowed the rates way down and helped a lot Crazy the things ya can come up with on these RCs especially now a days ✌️
I gotcha! That’s a pretty cool idea to use the trim knob. These aren’t actually the stock tires these are Proline Rock Rage Tires. I could definitely use some belted tires though
@@RCKnockout Oh my bad I thought they were the stock tires Yeah some belted tires would be nice It will drive much better ✌️
@@EJ-74 no worries. Yeah I might have to look into getting some belted tires
Get some belted tires for it
It definitely might be necessary
50!! Wow that is crazy
Yeah it’s pretty fast!
Traxxas built to break. Ive had bad luck with my Summits. I bought two of them and both have been money pits.
Yeah they aren’t the most robust once you go Brushless
"We broke something guys".!
Haha.. Me too... Every day.! 😜
Yes…it’s just the norm lol 😂
so dont go over 50mph with stock tires... noted!
These actually aren’t stock but I imagine the stock ones would do the same
6s and those tires just don't want to work together
🇺🇸🙏🏻🇺🇸
No they don’t lol 😂
Bro, get a go pro head mount so you can drive with 2 hands. Your driving a Rubicon jeep playing with thousands of dollars in rc but using your phone to record. It's also better for our viewing. Go pros are pretty cheap these days.
What was wrong with the video? My phone records decent video
@@RCKnockout it's not the quality, I was just saying that you could control your rc better with 2 hands. Especially when bashing to. Easier for you and better viewing for us. The quality is fine.
@@terryfrome1641 oh ok. Gotcha. 😉
Blue thread loc would fix that…
Fix what?
i do not prefer a brussel sproutless version.
Nice ride. I wouldn't buy one tho 😆 😂 😅 🤣
It’s not for everyone….
Why
I'm starting to think Summit is not meant for speed lol
You and me both lol 😂
👍🏼 👍🏼 🇨🇵
Twin motor bro
There wouldn’t really be a good reason to swap it to a twin motor setup to be honest
@@RCKnockout just for fun mate
@@RCKnockout but yeah I get what you are saying
I gotcha! A twin brushed setup would be kinda cool but I think I would prefer brushless
4s is good but 6s is definitely to much for the tires
Yeah it’s definitely too much
I think top speed will be blammo!
Yeah the speed is uncontrollable on 6s though
40 on 4s and close to 55 on 6s
Good guess!
@@RCKnockout just did a brushless swap on my senton mega and it runs somewhere between there on 3s . I figure the summit is somewhere close to the size of the senton so I could only assume they had similar performance
@@nitronut4206 the Senton 6s version….if you’re referring to the Senton 3s that’s way smaller than a Summit….the Summit is the same size as the ERevo…they share the same chassis actually
@@RCKnockout yes I did mean the 6s version . And even though mine was the brushed version it's still 6s capable and sould be a blast to rip around on 6s once I get the new hardened steel spur/slipper gear for it. Ended up distroying the 3s Spur. Was confetti in the trans lol
@@nitronut4206 nice man! So you’re saying your Senton 6s is as Fast as my Summit only running on 3S?
"Will it hold up to brushless?"
Well, yeah, its basically a V1 erevo 😅
Actually it’s not the same as a v1 e revo at all……doesn’t share the same diffs or transmission
@@RCKnockout actually internally, the transmission is functionally the same, 3 stacked gears(basically a remixed emaxx transmission) It just has a low range set of gears and shifter in there. Pretty sure you can do a 2 speed conversion on the old Erevo too.
Strength of the diffs is pretty much the same too(made of cheap sintered metal) the only real difference is you might shred the diff lockers with the extra power if something jams up 😅
Plenty have gone brushless with the summit and the failure points are the plastic drive shafts, rear diff, and final drive gear in the transmission(same as the V1 Erevo) - you've got the added problem of wheels that cant handle high speed though.
Have a look at the Louise MT 3.8 range, you'll want the Rocket style for speed runs, and the Pioneer are a decent all rounder for off road use
@@ManuelOrtizification yeah the stock summit driveshafts aren’t good for power…..neither are the diffs…..I’ve never owned an E Revo…..but I don’t think it is nearly as weak overall as the Summit…..it’s just not good at taking very much power
@@RCKnockout they actually run the same drive shafts too, about 90% of the drive train is shared between the two and much of it is shared with the E/Tmaxx as well (good thing if you own all 3)
You can run the spiral cut diff gears (5379R, also fits the slash 4x4) and the steel drive shafts (axles and center - 5451R/5650R respectively) also uses the slash 4x4 slipper clutch so you can run a 46T spur gear for even more speed.
The only thing you cant fit from the V1 Erevo is the output gears in the transmission or the center diff. transmission case on the summit is longer in the bottom end to make room for the high/low gears.(you can swap out the entire transmission though. Erevo 2.0 transmission fits too)
Basically all of the RPM upgrades for the V1 Erevo and the 2.0 fit as well (true track set up eliminates the issue of rod ends pulling off in the back)
Traxxas has exploded views on their website which can be helpful to see whats compatible 😉
@@ManuelOrtizification sounds like you definitely know your stuff 😉👍
4s 34.5
Not a bad guess
46 on 6s
Not a bad guess
48
Pretty darn close!
38
Spot on!
I say 50 mph bro 6s
That’s basically spot on!
Amazing bro
31
Sure that thing is calibrated? Slow looking passes for claimed speed to me
Yes I calibrated it
Ha lm really good at this
Say it with me.
Tie. Rod.
Not pushrod.. it's not a v8.
Other then that nice vid
6s 42.5
Also not a bad guess