Well... 30.000 star destroyers Trillions of soldiers Millions of starfighters At least 3 planet-destroying super weapons The fourth most powerfull sith of all time Hundreds of super star destroyers(including the Eclipse) The Sunkiller I mean...everyone should fear the Empire. The rebels had a LOT of plot armor during the Civil War.
against thousands of systems, civilisations and cultures. The civil war in star wars is much larger than we can see in the movies, it's a galaxy wide conflict. Also not all superweapons, dreadnaughts and fleets were available everywhere all the time which is exactly the weakness the rebels used.
@@impossibru5721 If you read legends Boba Fett and the Mandalorians were the first to successfully defeat the Yuuzhan Vong with no help. Legends is not Canon asshole😁👌
Palpatine knew they were coming and literally built the empire to deal with them. That's why the empires fleet was so undermanned they were pumping out ships faster than they could crew em.
Fun Fact: During the first battle of Coruscant (when the Vong took the planet) the Vong used captured ships full of civilians as orbital bombardment weapons against Coruscant’s planetary shield systems & the New Republic Chief of State, Borsk Fey’lya, a Bothan, detonated a huge bomb when the Vong took his office over Killed about 10,000 Vong troops Dude was a DickDouche politician, but he went out like a Badass Hero.
I wouldn't be so sure. Early on I think the Vong would have the edge until Thrawn can learn more about them and exploit their weaknesses (namely their pride).
23r0 Gaming- A Chiss admiral had already beaten them, and with imperial resources, Thrawn could have quickly learned ways to defeat them. If he new near nothing about them, he could have set up several small skirmishes where he could learn their tactics, and then retreated. After that, he would probably have a plan of attack set up, and would implement it
@@wilsonriley1856 I'm aware of that, but the point is that I imagine the Vong having at least a small string of early victories until Thrawn could determine how to counter them.
Imperial Super Weapons were vulnerable to the Rebels, NR since they were aware of their technical faults, the Vong were more unaware of their faults and more consumed with their pride as a superior warrior race, they probably would have wanted to challenge the Empire's might, which whould have played into the Empire's hand by allowing them to use their combined firepower against the Vong from the getgo.
I liked the Theory of Palpatines whole reason to create the Empire was to be prepeard for the Vong Invasion. Gives you a whole new look on the Empire and the Rebellion. To Quote Thrawn: "They will be the architechts of their own destruction".
Agree. When I first watched original trilogy, and then shortly after read of Wong invasion, my first thought was; Empire know, and they were preparing for them, by build massive fleets of ships specialized in capital ship combat, not to mention super-weapons that could kill world-ships.
@@rohenthar8449 This gives sense to another theory. Why wasn't Palpatine doing anything to improve the conditions of his people? Simple. He was too busy spending all money in the military so that he could fend off the Yuuzhan Vong. Spending money on other things than the military would have just decreased the chances of the empire winning against the Vong. He basically sacrificed billions of people by making them live in poverty, while saving trillions from the invasion.
I think one of the saddest moments in the Yuuzhan Vong war series is in the book Star By Star when Leia feels Anakin Solo die through the force and screams out in anguish and Han immediately starts blasting things in the room out of anger while screaming "They killed him! They killed my boy!" to Lando. Edit: That's probably one of the most heartwrenching moments in the entire EU. Besides Disney killing the EU.
I find it quite curious that the Vong really respected the Empires power (and i don't really blame them tbh because the Empire at it's height was such a force to be reckoned with) , and it was wise to wait until it had fractured imo. I really hope you do dive really deep into why the Imperials would win against the Vong had they arrived during the Imperial Era, though. That would be super awesome! :) (P.S. My question is: What is your favorite Lightsaber from the old EU? Mine would be Darth Vindicans! :) )
@@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 that is actually the official name like the Clone Wars Era it won't be called the Republic Era although some do that's not the official name
2:56 shows my favorite thing in all of legends. The mighty Yuuzhan vong, the intergalatic invaders who sweept aside all in their path, encountered the Imperial remnant... And got absolutely stomped. Even as a broken, tiny shadow of what it was, the Empire gave the Vong so much trouble invading their territory that the Vong simply had to go around.
The Empire could bring a massive fleet extremely quickly, though ground battles would be a much closer thing. Though I feel like Vader would have been problematic for the Vong.
Ground battle were definitely the weakness of the late stage empire. And given that by A New Hope all the Inquisitors were dead, they didn't have any true warriors besides Vader anymore, just soldiers. But, the Empires overwhelming power for space battles would have ended the Vong quickly, especially with Thrawn commanding the fleets and Vader leading the geound forces. However, I still think the Clone Wars era Old Republic would have defeated the Vong the easiest. The clone were far better soldiers than either the Empire's stormtroopers, or the New Republic's conscripted military, and there were waaaaaaaaaaay more Jedi who could have dealt massive casualties. Vong warriors would stand no chance against Mace Windu, Kenobi, Yoda, Ahsoka, or Anakin, and their batallions of Jango clones. Plus with Maul and Dooku being around, sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh.
@@mikegottschau4224 Vader isn’t s good commander for ground forces he’s s super soldier capable of destroying whole fleets st his prime which lets says it got to point. Of crises the empire would of course let him reach taking his limits out of his next suit snd improving it Even if he can affect or sense the force he could sense there sounds they make he could kill entire armies bring down entire fleets of ships Vader is s god in terms of ditch he hold the most potential of sll
@@tompearce5418Vader was a Aith Lord .The dark-side of the force in particular was extremely effective in combating the vong as showcased by jaina solo and others
I remember someone, maybe Han, saying something along the lines of "The empire would have just built some big super weapon and called it the 'Emperor's fist or something". Which, yeah, the Death Stars would have made short work of the Yuuzhan Vong world ships and the vong would have had to work harder to get the plans than the rebels even did.
Did legends ever explicitly say the Yuuzhan Vong threat was part of the motivation for Papa Palpatine building super weapons like the Death Star? We're kidding ourselves if we think that's the only reason, but it opens an entertaining if flawed line of argument that the Empire wasn't so bad.
I mean the Emperor knew and worked with the Chiss who would have known of the Vong. He probably didn't expect them to arrive anytime soon, but wanted some insurance in case they sought to disrupt his trade routes and such.
Outbound flight. He knew the Vong were a threat but that's not why he wanted an empire. He wanted to rule forever through tyranny making sure any being Jedi or being couldn't stop him is all that mattersn
The real reason the Vong didn't invade earlier was because it would have conflicted with other stories being written. I know, lame out of universe reason, but I feel like in this case it's hard to ignore it. Because you're right, if it was up to the Vong they would have invaded during one of the other crises.
If they invaded right after the Black Fleet Crisis the New Republic wouldn't stand a chance. Though I still think the different Imperial Factions would have probably cooperated with the New Republic in that case.
@@natedouglass5119 i know this is an old comment but i just wanted to put my comment here, Dave Filoni was actually planning on bringing the Vong during The Clone Wars but due to the show being canceled and only making it to 7 seasons instead of 8, we never saw them
As soon as the Vong heard about a metal moon they would flip their staffs and go all in on destroying the deathstar since it was the antithesis to their living homeworld. Now if they could have beaten it is different.
Wedge: "We're going to face them with an enemy they've never had the displeasure of fighting. We're going to hit them with the Empire." Tycho: "They're not going to like the Empire." "orbital bombardment from SSD follows" and my question is:can you give us detailed story of New Republic dealing with either Isard or Zsinj? or maybe those 2 in one series since the timeline was mixed for both of them
I think Palpatine would have allowed the vong to take as much of the galaxy, so he could liberate the galaxy and be seen as a hero like after the clone wars
Up rising in legends no I don’t think so but u had one robot the most dangerous type and it’s the one that fought with the Mandalorian to get baby yoda put itself into the Death Star to make a robot rebellion but it was destroyed in new hope and the galaxy that the Vong came from had a war with 2 AI and the galaxy was destroyed because of it and they became the vong because of that war and hated all AI sense then and why they went to the main Galaxy so eh kinda. Also yea I think it’s something with there programming but also not cause c3po is a thing. Also I think a little droid uprising happened but not during or after the clone wars it was before but fact check that
There have been moments where Droids have done such things. There are instances of droids having free will (Droid Bounty Hunters being the most obvious) but there was an attempted genocide of all organics. Search up Directive 7
No ,most of the times droids are never subject to great innovations in regards to personal sentience and even greater intelligence .They retain the same level of intelligence for some reason for thousands upon thousands of years .I don't think there is something that is like the scientific method in the star wars galaxy due to the mind-bending lack of progress in technology despite great lengths of time being passed in the galaxy .Though there are instances of hyper-intelligent droids created by advanced civilizations that had went extinct a long time ago .I can't exactly recall the precise name but they did develop the eternal fleet which vitiate had gotten his hands on and Gemini Droids but they were all destroyed by the Jedi and the republic
IG-88 tried to hijack the second Death Star as part of a plan to start a droid revolution, but it didn't work out well because, well, the second Death Star was destroyed.
the vong did comment on how formidable the infidel's triangular ships aka star destroyers were and made it a point in their battle plans to take them out first
Here are some video suggestions: A history of the Reaper SSD The death of Ardus Kaine The major star wars ship yards/ ship building companies (Incomm, Republic engineering, KDY...) Battle breakdown of battle of Borleias (x-wing series) Continue coverage of Yuzhann Vong war Battle of Umbara Viscount Vs. 2 bellators Viscount vs. Something else cool More battle breakdowns!!!! Those are the coolest things on RUclips and you don't do very many any more. Also just more star wars content all around. I hope you see this. And love your channel.
Interesting theory how the Vong helped the Rebellion, I always didn't like how the tiny Rebellion was able to stand up against the Empire militarily. This helps make it seem more reasonable!
@@robertnelson9599 Well its fairly certain the infinity wont be able to tank the super laser. But Im not so certain if the Eclipse wont be able to take a Mac salvo. Well there is no way to know.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Which Legends numbers? Because there were plenty of pretty damn low numbers in Legends. Like an Executor failing to kill a handful of people with a sustained orbital bombardment of Yavin 4. Meanwhile the Infinity's shields withstood the ionization effect of a point blank supernova and its MACs fire rounds that mass as much as a UNSC frigate at 50% lightspeed.
the covenant don't even have mastery over the galaxy, not nearly in the same way as the new republic even in their shambles did. Humanity with only 2500 AD technology(and a handful of colony world's worth of population) almost came close to beating them(the covenant). What makes you think an amalgamation of fleets of star ships that could make high charity's defense force look like a single regiment who can barely stand a chance against the Vong? IDK where you're thinking. The covenant don't even have control over their weapon systems. The new republic won the war through innovation and arms' races. The covenant can't even figure out how to fire their ships correctly(from the books, cortana fires their plasma cannons like a sentinel beam, as originally intended), let alone innovate to that extent
If I could choose in which factions I would like to be an fleet admiral then I would choose the republic and the empire 'cause those were the 2 most powerful and strongest factions.
Sidius mistake was not to listen to Thrawn warnings earlier on and grant him access to military rank that wouldve dwarted the rebellion before it got widespreaded. He had to painstakingly get access to his peak after years of wins pushing him to what " a race devoted to tactical warfare" could be of use of early on his (Palps) hegemonization of the galactic order.
I doubt they would've been able to take Disney-canon's Empire seriously with how scaled down it is. Before anyone says it (again), I'm aware that the Yuuzhan Vong aren't part of Disney canon. I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though. Anyways: Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: one-hundred-four times.
If you are to invade, you either wait til an area has peace and have calmed down. Or you strike right after a big war when most of the stronger enemys are worn down/tired or destroyed. If you attack in the middle of a war you might have to fight two strong sides at the same time.
i always wondered why the Empire needed so many Planet Destroying weapons, and why Palpatine allowed the resources to be used on them. now i know. after checking out the Yuuzhan Vong and it's battle power etc, i completely understand why Palpatine wanted those weapons made. not only did he plan the Clone Wars, but since he knew about the Yuuzhan Vong, he planned for them too i think. it would make sense as to why he had so many incredibly powerful weapons and ships made. like, the fact the Empire collectively had 30,000+ Star Destroyers and at least 700 or so Super Star Destroyers, all of whom they needed only one of to take over a quadrant with the right man leading the units on the ship. The Empire was terrifying, and made Disney's little wannabe, the First Order, look like a complete Cosplay at best of what the empire had and could do.
Did anybody read the supernatural and cult encounters upublished expanded universe articles that were published on the star wars timelinet that gives more context to the EU inclusing the origins of the Ones the Bedlam spirits and the Thor Yor
Great the articles are so shocking it would make great content for a couple of videos. Also here is a link to a jedi council forum where a bunch of people have been analysing the articles:boards.theforce.net/threads/cult-encounters-and-supernatural-encounters-even-more-new-legends-material.50047631/page-30
Thanks for another good video. I especially enjoy hearing about the Yuuzhan Vong. Even more when it involves the Empire engaging them! I never heard of the Vong until I seen a video about them on your channel a few months ago. There is so much about Star Wars that I don't know about but I look forward to learning about them. And this Empire VS Yuuzhan Vong has got my imagination wheeling in overdrive err hyperdrive :D
Because humanity never met another sapient species/their remnants until The Covenant showed up in Harvest/Humanity found out about the Forerunners. If you see the progress of humanity pre to post Human- Covenant war you can see a lot of progress made. Plasma weaponry, shielding, more powerful capital ships, etc. All of that is reverse engineered from alien technology.
Humanity had an almost 200 year period of peace after colonizing began. They had no need to out do another human faction in the military department which is why they still use ballistics weapons and just started really getting into energy based towards the middle of the war
I think the Vong waited as long as they did out of a case of psychological bias. In their home galaxy, they ended up destroying everything because of a deep and abiding inability to peacefully coexist with others. They probably expected the New Republic to continue to battle the Imperial Remnant until one or both were completely destroyed. The idea that the two warring groups could come to a rapproachement and just stop fighting would be alien to the Vong leadership's mindset.
Palpatine actually expected the Yuuzhan Vong, which is why he immediately militarized his Empire following the its creation. And when the Empire kept using conventional war tactics when the Rebellion were using the opposite, it doomed them to destruction. But the Rebels doomed themselves because they wanted a rEpUbLiC. So, even if Palpatine was Sith and the Empire messed up several times, I would've fallen in line pretty quickly and would have feared AND respected the Empire enough to serve it.
I believe Thrawn is not the only one who have the brilliant mind like him..... imagine there is actually a lot of them in the Empire and Thrawn team up with them to fight against the enemy..... they enemy is definitely screwed
Excellent video I remember reading the new Jedi order series when they first came out and the the Timothy Zahn books Survivors Quest and Outbound flight and remember it being implied that the Vong already attacked or probed the Chiss ascendancy and were utterly beaten this is when they turned their sights on the New Republic. Also there was a reference to the Vong with regards to attacking Zenoma Sekot before the Clone wars (the book was Rogue Planet) thus proving the were at least probing the outer rim early on. Just wanted to let you know in case you missed either of these references, seeing as how the Chiss and the Yuuzhan Von have to be the coolest species in the SWU.
I think that the reason, as to why the Yuuzang Vong waited so long to attack, was that by analizing what was going on, they reached a conclusion that the longer they wait, the weaker the Galaxy will become. However, this could not last for a long time. Imagine the morale on the Vong ships after such a long journey. Everyone would be tired of waiting, eager to attack, to prove their worthness and to gain glory. With each month of halt, Yuuzan Vong leaders would lose more and more support as rumours of their weakness and cowerdness would spread.
And question how long you think the vong would have last if the Thrawn clone survived and was working with adirmal Acbar and a unified galaxy and what would be the after shock
It would be cool to speculate on an early Vong invasion running up against Thrawn- possibly with a reluctant New Republic following his lead and a better Empire led by Thrawn and the Jedi resulting from the war.
UNSC Marines all the say. Sure, ONI is an evil shadow council at this point, but what little civilian life we see in Halo doesn't seem so bad (assuming we're referencing post war UEG), so I'll probably head off to a nice retirement some years later.
I haven't read those books, but I think the Voong did a good thing in waiting for the galaxy to stabilize a bit before moving in. If they struck during the civil war, the rebel and empire would have formed an alliance of sort to repel them. If they struck right after the war, the pockets of empire resistance would have stopped resisting the new Republic. Plus, at any of these moments the war machine was already rolling. It takes time for a military infrastructure to get up to speed.
Agree not after or before thrawn he is the literal bogey man also not operation shadow hand cause the emperor and sure u can say after that last part but u gave good point on the empire and rebs joining side by side also my little head canon says they needed to reach the galaxy because they were still traveling. ALSO a LOT of people died from ALL the wars the galaxy fought and man made desieases that were created and I’m willing to believe that part of the reason for the vong to invade so easily is that a LOT of people died and good people with knowledge. One more thing about the vong not invading is that going with they needed to get to the galaxy first there connection might not be solid and miss information could have happened plus they might want to wait for any more imperials with a ace of there sleeve.
I am really digging the idea of these daily questions! My question is this: how do you think Thrawn would have earned the support of the whole galaxy to face the Yuuzhan Vong? There were certainly enough anti-empire hardliners in the New Republic that would dismiss any movement to be once again “ruled” by an Imperial. So how could Thrawn do it?
O, I did, I played with the 1992 version. :D My brother and me made a small empire next to the New Republic, because we were sure the galaxy is huge and far more dangerous than Thrawn or Zsinj, etc. It was far before the New Jedi Order... :D
That nom anor guy i have read about in a book long ago, i forgot the name though, the book is probably in my attic along with more ancient starwars books from my highschool life, old memories
#AskEck which Political Structure, from ALL of the Franchises (only the best from each franchise), is the Best; Long Term, Short Term, Thoroughness, & Swift Execution of made decisions?
If we are talking about ALL, then the Imperium of Man. It is hard to survive that much time in there, even if they survive taking good decisions for all the wrong long, short reasons and with unthoroughness and unswiftness.
@@nickvinsable3798 It's easy. Everything is going wrong, and it still endures. Must be a good system somehow. In Star Wars for example you have in the spawn of like 50 years crisis after crisis that change governments. In the Imperium? Going on stable for thousands of years. Even if it's because some decisions, that seem at least poor, if not horrible, end up having positive effects.
Then please explain why the Imperium of Man is the Best Political Structure in all four points, KarolusTemplareV. Unless I need to Clarify my Question.
Actually, if you recall the end of Aaron Allston's book "Rebel Dream", the New Republic actually DID use orbital bombardment against the Yuuzhan Vong at Borleias using the Lusankya, Rebel Dream, and the Mon Mothma, if I recall. I'll never forget Lusankya's first encounter with the Vong in that system. The way Aaron Allston wrote those couple paragraphs was absolutely Pulitzer-worthy.
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Well...
30.000 star destroyers
Trillions of soldiers
Millions of starfighters
At least 3 planet-destroying super weapons
The fourth most powerfull sith of all time
Hundreds of super star destroyers(including the Eclipse)
The Sunkiller
I mean...everyone should fear the Empire. The rebels had a LOT of plot armor during the Civil War.
*death star gets destroyed by 5 x-wings*
Star destroyers are entirely fucked against starfighters because they don't have PD.
Ποιο ήταν το 3ο υπερόπλο της αυτοκρατορίας ? Τα 2 death stars, και ποιο άλλο ? Ρωτάω επειδή δεν γνωρίζω (ή δεν μου έρχεται ποιο είναι).
none of those have anything over the force.
against thousands of systems, civilisations and cultures. The civil war in star wars is much larger than we can see in the movies, it's a galaxy wide conflict. Also not all superweapons, dreadnaughts and fleets were available everywhere all the time which is exactly the weakness the rebels used.
How Boba Fett led the Mandalorians to victory against the Yuuzhan Vong
this
But gets Shitted by a blind man
Boba got swallowed by a sandy asshole
@@impossibru5721 haven't you read any of the comics? 😑
@@impossibru5721
If you read legends Boba Fett and the Mandalorians were the first to successfully defeat the Yuuzhan Vong with no help. Legends is not Canon asshole😁👌
Palpatine knew they were coming and literally built the empire to deal with them. That's why the empires fleet was so undermanned they were pumping out ships faster than they could crew em.
And the reason he couldn't crew em was because he needed to ensure internal security over the wider empire.
That’s why I’m the final years of the Empire they created the Tie D droid variant of Tie Fighter.
Does that make him a hero in a f'ed up way?
@@untitled795 It depends. Do you view sacrificing liberties in exchange for protection as just?
@@theInsaneCashew honestly no, but hence the “fucked up” part. He doesn’t do it consensually is what I was trying to get at I guess
Edit: typo
Fun Fact:
During the first battle of Coruscant
(when the Vong took the planet) the Vong used captured ships full of civilians as orbital bombardment weapons against Coruscant’s planetary shield systems
& the New Republic Chief of State, Borsk Fey’lya, a Bothan, detonated a huge bomb when the Vong took his office over
Killed about 10,000 Vong troops
Dude was a DickDouche politician, but he went out like a Badass Hero.
Only because he was backed into a corner, a corner he wouldn't have been in to begin with if he hadn't been so incompetent.
The way I’ve always read Borsk, this was still a political move and only to save face.
It would be amazing to see Thrawn lead the fight against the Yuuzhan Vong. The Vong wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell against Thrawn.
I'm pretty sure Thrawn, was fighting against the Vong during the original trilogy
@@stephenmatousek6009 I meant during The New Jedi Order series.
I wouldn't be so sure. Early on I think the Vong would have the edge until Thrawn can learn more about them and exploit their weaknesses (namely their pride).
23r0 Gaming- A Chiss admiral had already beaten them, and with imperial resources, Thrawn could have quickly learned ways to defeat them. If he new near nothing about them, he could have set up several small skirmishes where he could learn their tactics, and then retreated. After that, he would probably have a plan of attack set up, and would implement it
@@wilsonriley1856 I'm aware of that, but the point is that I imagine the Vong having at least a small string of early victories until Thrawn could determine how to counter them.
What would Thrawn look like with those classic Imperial Navy sideburns?
Asking the real questions
Like a true man
watta bout thrawn with a mullet and handle bar mustache
i'd rather imagine him with a beard
clean shaved fits thrawn better.
Imperial Super Weapons were vulnerable to the Rebels, NR since they were aware of their technical faults, the Vong were more unaware of their faults and more consumed with their pride as a superior warrior race, they probably would have wanted to challenge the Empire's might, which whould have played into the Empire's hand by allowing them to use their combined firepower against the Vong from the getgo.
They were vulnerable because of plot
Kind of like Caesar's Legion from Fallout New Vegas.
I liked the Theory of Palpatines whole reason to create the Empire was to be prepeard for the Vong Invasion. Gives you a whole new look on the Empire and the Rebellion. To Quote Thrawn: "They will be the architechts of their own destruction".
Agree. When I first watched original trilogy, and then shortly after read of Wong invasion, my first thought was; Empire know, and they were preparing for them, by build massive fleets of ships specialized in capital ship combat, not to mention super-weapons that could kill world-ships.
@@rohenthar8449 This gives sense to another theory. Why wasn't Palpatine doing anything to improve the conditions of his people? Simple. He was too busy spending all money in the military so that he could fend off the Yuuzhan Vong. Spending money on other things than the military would have just decreased the chances of the empire winning against the Vong. He basically sacrificed billions of people by making them live in poverty, while saving trillions from the invasion.
@@Jestiii Yeah palpatine was a hero
@@ChristianNationalist654in a messed up way and to a partial extent. yes.
I think one of the saddest moments in the Yuuzhan Vong war series is in the book Star By Star when Leia feels Anakin Solo die through the force and screams out in anguish and Han immediately starts blasting things in the room out of anger while screaming "They killed him! They killed my boy!" to Lando.
Edit: That's probably one of the most heartwrenching moments in the entire EU. Besides Disney killing the EU.
Wookie roaring to the sky in defiance after he saved civilian lives instead of his own while a damn moon is about to fall on him......
I find it quite curious that the Vong really respected the Empires power (and i don't really blame them tbh because the Empire at it's height was such a force to be reckoned with) , and it was wise to wait until it had fractured imo. I really hope you do dive really deep into why the Imperials would win against the Vong had they arrived during the Imperial Era, though. That would be super awesome! :)
(P.S. My question is: What is your favorite Lightsaber from the old EU? Mine would be Darth Vindicans! :) )
You realize it wasn't called the "Empire Era" it was the "Galatic Civil War Era"
@@redmafiapanda I know it is generally called that within the lore, I just kinda like calling it The "Imperial Era" once in a while! :)
@@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 that is actually the official name like the Clone Wars Era it won't be called the Republic Era although some do that's not the official name
@@redmafiapanda Very true! :)
@@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 I know
Who was the Senator of Naboo after Padme?
The black captain from phantom menace became moff and a puppet goverment was installed
Whos is the Doggo ?!
Captain pancake or something...
@@namesnotjoe1394 Captain Panaka.
I am the Senate!
Did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?
Nah, definitely not
@@MoonLight-zj8iu I thought not. Its not a story the jedi would tell you
Ha! Yes. You get bonus points
Even better. I READ the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise
What a generic comment
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This is cute. You must be a new sub. What if I told you star wars doge man used to be even MORE underrated?
@@physetermacrocephalus2209 Yeah I've been here since like 40-50k subs watching him grow has been nice
Its true he is underated
Finally someone understands
So the Rebels unknowingly caused even more death and destruction by toppling the Empire.
yes
Absolutely.
The rebels are just that, rebels. They created a power vacuum and tried to fill it with a corrupt/unstable government
I mean it is. Just like real life if u read history.
Further proof the empire did nothing wrong
2:56 shows my favorite thing in all of legends. The mighty Yuuzhan vong, the intergalatic invaders who sweept aside all in their path, encountered the Imperial remnant... And got absolutely stomped. Even as a broken, tiny shadow of what it was, the Empire gave the Vong so much trouble invading their territory that the Vong simply had to go around.
The Empire could bring a massive fleet extremely quickly, though ground battles would be a much closer thing. Though I feel like Vader would have been problematic for the Vong.
Ground battle were definitely the weakness of the late stage empire. And given that by A New Hope all the Inquisitors were dead, they didn't have any true warriors besides Vader anymore, just soldiers. But, the Empires overwhelming power for space battles would have ended the Vong quickly, especially with Thrawn commanding the fleets and Vader leading the geound forces. However, I still think the Clone Wars era Old Republic would have defeated the Vong the easiest. The clone were far better soldiers than either the Empire's stormtroopers, or the New Republic's conscripted military, and there were waaaaaaaaaaay more Jedi who could have dealt massive casualties. Vong warriors would stand no chance against Mace Windu, Kenobi, Yoda, Ahsoka, or Anakin, and their batallions of Jango clones. Plus with Maul and Dooku being around, sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh.
@@mikegottschau4224 Vader isn’t s good commander for ground forces he’s s super soldier capable of destroying whole fleets st his prime which lets says it got to point. Of crises the empire would of course let him reach taking his limits out of his next suit snd improving it
Even if he can affect or sense the force he could sense there sounds they make he could kill entire armies bring down entire fleets of ships Vader is s god in terms of ditch he hold the most potential of sll
@@mikegottschau4224 the Empire could have defeated the vong by pure logistics alone
What good is a ground assault if you can't reinforce your troops?
Vader relied on the Force. The Force was basically useless against the Vong. Oh dear.
@@tompearce5418Vader was a Aith Lord .The dark-side of the force in particular was extremely effective in combating the vong as showcased by jaina solo and others
I remember someone, maybe Han, saying something along the lines of "The empire would have just built some big super weapon and called it the 'Emperor's fist or something". Which, yeah, the Death Stars would have made short work of the Yuuzhan Vong world ships and the vong would have had to work harder to get the plans than the rebels even did.
What Star Wars Starfighter would you legitimately want to own/fly?
A B-Wing.
TIe Defender
@@Tireledhwen saem
TIE Defender
Classic x wing
Did legends ever explicitly say the Yuuzhan Vong threat was part of the motivation for Papa Palpatine building super weapons like the Death Star? We're kidding ourselves if we think that's the only reason, but it opens an entertaining if flawed line of argument that the Empire wasn't so bad.
I mean the Emperor knew and worked with the Chiss who would have known of the Vong. He probably didn't expect them to arrive anytime soon, but wanted some insurance in case they sought to disrupt his trade routes and such.
Outbound flight. He knew the Vong were a threat but that's not why he wanted an empire. He wanted to rule forever through tyranny making sure any being Jedi or being couldn't stop him is all that mattersn
Palpatine was right
Palpatine did nothing wrong. Humanity First.
Yes i was right
@@isaiahmoreno3067 All hail your royal majesty!
Emperor, who would win? You or Onimi?
For the rebellion!!!!!!
The real reason the Vong didn't invade earlier was because it would have conflicted with other stories being written.
I know, lame out of universe reason, but I feel like in this case it's hard to ignore it. Because you're right, if it was up to the Vong they would have invaded during one of the other crises.
If they invaded right after the Black Fleet Crisis the New Republic wouldn't stand a chance. Though I still think the different Imperial Factions would have probably cooperated with the New Republic in that case.
@@natedouglass5119 i know this is an old comment but i just wanted to put my comment here, Dave Filoni was actually planning on bringing the Vong during The Clone Wars but due to the show being canceled and only making it to 7 seasons instead of 8, we never saw them
As soon as the Vong heard about a metal moon they would flip their staffs and go all in on destroying the deathstar since it was the antithesis to their living homeworld.
Now if they could have beaten it is different.
Wedge: "We're going to face them with an enemy they've never had the displeasure of fighting. We're going to hit them with the Empire."
Tycho: "They're not going to like the Empire."
"orbital bombardment from SSD follows"
and my question is:can you give us detailed story of New Republic dealing with either Isard or Zsinj? or maybe those 2 in one series since the timeline was mixed for both of them
ewok40k
Ahh, yes. If only the Empire had won at Endor...
@@jawafreak230 if only the Reich had won at Normandy tbh.
@@1110-s1t the empire had much more reason and backbone to exist
Personal shield technology compared Dune Halo Mass Effect and Star Wars
Don't forget stargate!
But nothing beats Warhammer 40k
@@SabeSilver Yes, we know. That sense of superiority is not going to make people want to join your niche fandom, though.
The Covenant vs. the yuuzhan vong
That would be awesome to watch.
Who would win Shrek or Thanos?
Shrek
Shrek
Fiona
Shrek
Shrek i see it on a soul calibur 6
Darth vader: fear me!
Yuuzhan vong: ok
ur pfp sucks
I think Palpatine would have allowed the vong to take as much of the galaxy, so he could liberate the galaxy and be seen as a hero like after the clone wars
Did the Star Wars universe ever have an AI/droid uprising?
Are there certain laws of robotics built into every droid to prevent such a thing?
Up rising in legends no I don’t think so but u had one robot the most dangerous type and it’s the one that fought with the Mandalorian to get baby yoda put itself into the Death Star to make a robot rebellion but it was destroyed in new hope and the galaxy that the Vong came from had a war with 2 AI and the galaxy was destroyed because of it and they became the vong because of that war and hated all AI sense then and why they went to the main Galaxy so eh kinda.
Also yea I think it’s something with there programming but also not cause c3po is a thing.
Also I think a little droid uprising happened but not during or after the clone wars it was before but fact check that
There have been moments where Droids have done such things. There are instances of droids having free will (Droid Bounty Hunters being the most obvious) but there was an attempted genocide of all organics. Search up Directive 7
No ,most of the times droids are never subject to great innovations in regards to personal sentience and even greater intelligence .They retain the same level of intelligence for some reason for thousands upon thousands of years .I don't think there is something that is like the scientific method in the star wars galaxy due to the mind-bending lack of progress in technology despite great lengths of time being passed in the galaxy .Though there are instances of hyper-intelligent droids created by advanced civilizations that had went extinct a long time ago .I can't exactly recall the precise name but they did develop the eternal fleet which vitiate had gotten his hands on and Gemini Droids but they were all destroyed by the Jedi and the republic
IG-88 tried to hijack the second Death Star as part of a plan to start a droid revolution, but it didn't work out well because, well, the second Death Star was destroyed.
the vong did comment on how formidable the infidel's triangular ships aka star destroyers were and made it a point in their battle plans to take them out first
Here are some video suggestions:
A history of the Reaper SSD
The death of Ardus Kaine
The major star wars ship yards/ ship building companies (Incomm, Republic engineering, KDY...)
Battle breakdown of battle of Borleias (x-wing series)
Continue coverage of Yuzhann Vong war
Battle of Umbara
Viscount Vs. 2 bellators
Viscount vs. Something else cool
More battle breakdowns!!!! Those are the coolest things on RUclips and you don't do very many any more.
Also just more star wars content all around. I hope you see this. And love your channel.
Interesting theory how the Vong helped the Rebellion, I always didn't like how the tiny Rebellion was able to stand up against the Empire militarily. This helps make it seem more reasonable!
Is the paris class frigate (UNSC) sexier than the Venator star destroyer?
No u
No, but the halberd destroyer is
@@fluiypj ^
Nah. In halo no ship looks that good except that small one, the banshee. But it still doesn't look better than any ship in sw.
None of the halo ships are good looking. Too many sharp angles with cumbersome builds.
I’d love to see you doing a longer video on the Vong vs the Empire
especially with the death star,i mean it could destroy vong motherships.
Video suggestion: UNSC Infinity vs Eclipse SSD
That battle depends solely on who gets the first shot off.
@@robertnelson9599 Well its fairly certain the infinity wont be able to tank the super laser. But Im not so certain if the Eclipse wont be able to take a Mac salvo. Well there is no way to know.
@@TheDude50447 If we take legends numbers then the Eclipse wouldn't even notice the Super Mac
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Which Legends numbers? Because there were plenty of pretty damn low numbers in Legends. Like an Executor failing to kill a handful of people with a sustained orbital bombardment of Yavin 4. Meanwhile the Infinity's shields withstood the ionization effect of a point blank supernova and its MACs fire rounds that mass as much as a UNSC frigate at 50% lightspeed.
@@MrMcp1995 50%??? More like 5%.
Spartans vs N7 or Pilots (Titanfall) and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines
I would to see clone troopers vs citadel forces
Shepard vs Master Chief
Spartans would 1 sided win
@@adamorick2872 IDK Shepard can't seem to stay dead
@@Alexthe360Great Chief
To quote a commenter from the previous video:
Step 1: Give Thrawn the Fleet
Step 2: The End
XD
How would the vong stack up against the covenant of halo?
That depends: do the Covenant get any of the halo rings? Those things alone would wipe out not only the Vong, but their weaponry.
@@z3r0_35 I would say no, the covenant couldn't even get their hands on one that didn't get imedeatly anahalated.
The covenant are more powerful in every aspect, they would definitely win. But not that easily, the vong won't go down without a fight.
covenant
the covenant don't even have mastery over the galaxy, not nearly in the same way as the new republic even in their shambles did.
Humanity with only 2500 AD technology(and a handful of colony world's worth of population) almost came close to beating them(the covenant).
What makes you think an amalgamation of fleets of star ships that could make high charity's defense force look like a single regiment who can barely stand a chance against the Vong? IDK where you're thinking.
The covenant don't even have control over their weapon systems. The new republic won the war through innovation and arms' races. The covenant can't even figure out how to fire their ships correctly(from the books, cortana fires their plasma cannons like a sentinel beam, as originally intended), let alone innovate to that extent
What happened to your Empire at War; Awakening of the Rebellion. Also If you could be an Fleet Admiral of any Star Wars faction which would you be in?
CIS. A flexible, fast and easily replaceable fleet with heavy firepower and swarms of advanced AI starfighters (mainly Tri-Droids).
If we are talking about large factions, then Chiss Ascendacy.
Minor factions well... my favourite SW species' fleet I guess
If I could choose in which factions I would like to be an fleet admiral then I would choose the republic and the empire 'cause those were the 2 most powerful and strongest factions.
New Republic or the CW Republic, excelent ships and starfighters
Hi
Had the Empire and Palpatine survive to see the Vong, they would've annihilated the Vong and see to it that their galaxy was invaded
Sidius mistake was not to listen to Thrawn warnings earlier on and grant him access to military rank that wouldve dwarted the rebellion before it got widespreaded. He had to painstakingly get access to his peak after years of wins pushing him to what " a race devoted to tactical warfare" could be of use of early on his (Palps) hegemonization of the galactic order.
Imagine the carnage and destruction if the Empire lived long enough to meet the yuzon vong threat.
I doubt they would've been able to take Disney-canon's Empire seriously with how scaled down it is. Before anyone says it (again), I'm aware that the Yuuzhan Vong aren't part of Disney canon.
I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though.
Anyways: Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: one-hundred-four times.
I would really like to see the empire vs the vong part 2
What are the ships and weaponry and ships of the Chiss Ascendancy?
Something I always wish got covered in much greater detail... Clawcraft FTW!
I remember when I subbed to you when you had 200 subs you have blown up
Hey Eck! Looking forward to your next Empire at war vid!
Q: Do you guys think the First Order timed the Hosnian Cataclysm to coincide with the end of the Yuuzhan Vong War in 34 ABY?
You should do a video on Yuuzhan Vong weaponry
The YUUZHAN VONG are the most 90's comicbook characters to ever be created.
If you are to invade, you either wait til an area has peace and have calmed down.
Or you strike right after a big war when most of the stronger enemys are worn down/tired or destroyed.
If you attack in the middle of a war you might have to fight two strong sides at the same time.
i always wondered why the Empire needed so many Planet Destroying weapons, and why Palpatine allowed the resources to be used on them.
now i know. after checking out the Yuuzhan Vong and it's battle power etc, i completely understand why Palpatine wanted those weapons made. not only did he plan the Clone Wars, but since he knew about the Yuuzhan Vong, he planned for them too i think. it would make sense as to why he had so many incredibly powerful weapons and ships made. like, the fact the Empire collectively had 30,000+ Star Destroyers and at least 700 or so Super Star Destroyers, all of whom they needed only one of to take over a quadrant with the right man leading the units on the ship.
The Empire was terrifying, and made Disney's little wannabe, the First Order, look like a complete Cosplay at best of what the empire had and could do.
Will definitely be awaiting that more comprehensive breakdown video of a Vong versus Empire war.
Did anybody read the supernatural and cult encounters upublished expanded universe articles that were published on the star wars timelinet that gives more context to the EU inclusing the origins of the Ones the Bedlam spirits and the Thor Yor
I'm reading it now
Great the articles are so shocking it would make great content for a couple of videos. Also here is a link to a jedi council forum where a bunch of people have been analysing the articles:boards.theforce.net/threads/cult-encounters-and-supernatural-encounters-even-more-new-legends-material.50047631/page-30
Thanks for another good video. I especially enjoy hearing about the Yuuzhan Vong. Even more when it involves the Empire engaging them! I never heard of the Vong until I seen a video about them on your channel a few months ago. There is so much about Star Wars that I don't know about but I look forward to learning about them. And this Empire VS Yuuzhan Vong has got my imagination wheeling in overdrive err hyperdrive :D
Factions compared best mechs: UN Spacey( SDF Macross ) vs Earth Federation (UC Gundam) vs the Clans ( Battletech) vs BARAHM (Zone Of the Enders).
I would love to see an Infinities series about the Vong versus the Empire.
Why is UNSC Technological Advancement so minimal when compared to other SCI-FI Human factions.
Because humanity never met another sapient species/their remnants until The Covenant showed up in Harvest/Humanity found out about the Forerunners.
If you see the progress of humanity pre to post Human- Covenant war you can see a lot of progress made.
Plasma weaponry, shielding, more powerful capital ships, etc. All of that is reverse engineered from alien technology.
TheFi0r3 ok lol. Thanks man. That honestly makes a lot of sense
Stagnation?
UNSC is supposed to be a realistic depiction of Modern-day humanity as a tier 3 species 500 years from now.
Humanity had an almost 200 year period of peace after colonizing began. They had no need to out do another human faction in the military department which is why they still use ballistics weapons and just started really getting into energy based towards the middle of the war
Eckhart, you make great videos, love the lore on star wars
The empire was the greates hope for the galaxy
You're my favorite Star Wars channel. You really appreciate the EU, and make the best videos about it.
Also, your outro is 🔥 🔥 🔥
2 Harrower Dreadnaughts vs 1 Imperial Star Destroyer
why is EckhartsLadder is such a good youtuber?
Can you do an analysis of the Palpatine using Thrawn and superweapons vs YuZong Vong and what if the emperor did not have Thrawn vs the Vong?
Woah the beginning of question of the day dang this is a cool milestone episode.
What if the New Republic wasn't stupid and fought against the Vong properly?
That's not how democracy/senate works though
@@nerramedivh3563
Ah yes democracies can't fight while dictatorships can... that's why the axis won the second world war...
I think the Vong waited as long as they did out of a case of psychological bias. In their home galaxy, they ended up destroying everything because of a deep and abiding inability to peacefully coexist with others. They probably expected the New Republic to continue to battle the Imperial Remnant until one or both were completely destroyed. The idea that the two warring groups could come to a rapproachement and just stop fighting would be alien to the Vong leadership's mindset.
I think Palpatine and the Empire would have done better, yes.
Jason, you might want to do the question thing with Patreon as well. Just got your back!!
WHY WAS THIS NOT THE SEQUEL TRILOGY?????
Ikr
They also feared the Emperors most secret, most deadly super weapon. Code named: The Holiday Special. It was especially deadly to them.
Sidious would have genocided the Vong
Great video! Please do more videos on the vong. They are my favorite now legends part of Star Wars.
Palpatine actually expected the Yuuzhan Vong, which is why he immediately militarized his Empire following the its creation. And when the Empire kept using conventional war tactics when the Rebellion were using the opposite, it doomed them to destruction. But the Rebels doomed themselves because they wanted a rEpUbLiC. So, even if Palpatine was Sith and the Empire messed up several times, I would've fallen in line pretty quickly and would have feared AND respected the Empire enough to serve it.
video idea: mission to mykur (sp?) where the jedi went to kill the voxyn queen
Do crabs think fish fly?
Keep up the outstanding work Eck 👌👍❤️
If the Vong decided to attack the empire, Thrawn would have made mincemeat of them
I believe Thrawn is not the only one who have the brilliant mind like him..... imagine there is actually a lot of them in the Empire and Thrawn team up with them to fight against the enemy..... they enemy is definitely screwed
Excellent video I remember reading the new Jedi order series when they first came out and the the Timothy Zahn books Survivors Quest and Outbound flight and remember it being implied that the Vong already attacked or probed the Chiss ascendancy and were utterly beaten this is when they turned their sights on the New Republic. Also there was a reference to the Vong with regards to attacking Zenoma Sekot before the Clone wars (the book was Rogue Planet) thus proving the were at least probing the outer rim early on.
Just wanted to let you know in case you missed either of these references, seeing as how the Chiss and the Yuuzhan Von have to be the coolest species in the SWU.
What is the strongest faction to ever participate in the starwars universe?
Would love to see a fuller vid about Vong vs Empire
The Vong likely knew the Empire would murder them.
Luke himself went looking for evidence of any remaining imperial super weapons to help fight the Vong.
Cause Sidious would single handedly dispatch most of them...
Great title card! That grin Palpatine has especially
I think that the reason, as to why the Yuuzang Vong waited so long to attack, was that by analizing what was going on, they reached a conclusion that the longer they wait, the weaker the Galaxy will become.
However, this could not last for a long time. Imagine the morale on the Vong ships after such a long journey. Everyone would be tired of waiting, eager to attack, to prove their worthness and to gain glory. With each month of halt, Yuuzan Vong leaders would lose more and more support as rumours of their weakness and cowerdness would spread.
Love the video EckhartsLadder keep up the good work🙂🙂🙂
And question how long you think the vong would have last if the Thrawn clone survived and was working with adirmal Acbar and a unified galaxy and what would be the after shock
It would be cool to speculate on an early Vong invasion running up against Thrawn- possibly with a reluctant New Republic following his lead and a better Empire led by Thrawn and the Jedi resulting from the war.
What if the IMC (Before Demeter) attacked the Empire?
Do a Yuuzhan Vong invasion of Fluidic Space and war against Species 8472! 61st try.
Which one of these would you prefer to join? Imperial Stormtroopers, UNSC Marines, Imperial Guard or the Alliance army from Mass Effect?
UNSC Marines all the say. Sure, ONI is an evil shadow council at this point, but what little civilian life we see in Halo doesn't seem so bad (assuming we're referencing post war UEG), so I'll probably head off to a nice retirement some years later.
For the Emperor.
I haven't read those books, but I think the Voong did a good thing in waiting for the galaxy to stabilize a bit before moving in.
If they struck during the civil war, the rebel and empire would have formed an alliance of sort to repel them. If they struck right after the war, the pockets of empire resistance would have stopped resisting the new Republic.
Plus, at any of these moments the war machine was already rolling. It takes time for a military infrastructure to get up to speed.
Agree not after or before thrawn he is the literal bogey man also not operation shadow hand cause the emperor and sure u can say after that last part but u gave good point on the empire and rebs joining side by side also my little head canon says they needed to reach the galaxy because they were still traveling.
ALSO a LOT of people died from ALL the wars the galaxy fought and man made desieases that were created and I’m willing to believe that part of the reason for the vong to invade so easily is that a LOT of people died and good people with knowledge.
One more thing about the vong not invading is that going with they needed to get to the galaxy first there connection might not be solid and miss information could have happened plus they might want to wait for any more imperials with a ace of there sleeve.
How many holes does a straw have?
Two.
@@Zen-sx5io oofed
gotta be one
SqurtieMan one
Zero, for it is but a piece of plastic formed into a hollow circle.
I am really digging the idea of these daily questions!
My question is this: how do you think Thrawn would have earned the support of the whole galaxy to face the Yuuzhan Vong? There were certainly enough anti-empire hardliners in the New Republic that would dismiss any movement to be once again “ruled” by an Imperial. So how could Thrawn do it?
Gotta love the vong
Oh hey I have a question: Have you ever played any of the many Star wars pen & paper RPG games?
O, I did, I played with the 1992 version. :D
My brother and me made a small empire next to the New Republic, because we were sure the galaxy is huge and far more dangerous than Thrawn or Zsinj, etc.
It was far before the New Jedi Order... :D
Yes, I am running a campaign currently.
And it is planned to feature yuuzan vong.
Cool 👍👍
I did back in the 90's
That nom anor guy i have read about in a book long ago, i forgot the name though, the book is probably in my attic along with more ancient starwars books from my highschool life, old memories
#AskEck which Political Structure, from ALL of the Franchises (only the best from each franchise), is the Best; Long Term, Short Term, Thoroughness, & Swift Execution of made decisions?
If we are talking about ALL, then the Imperium of Man. It is hard to survive that much time in there, even if they survive taking good decisions for all the wrong long, short reasons and with unthoroughness and unswiftness.
Please Elaborate, KarolusTemplareV.
OR should I explain my Question?
@@nickvinsable3798 It's easy. Everything is going wrong, and it still endures. Must be a good system somehow. In Star Wars for example you have in the spawn of like 50 years crisis after crisis that change governments. In the Imperium? Going on stable for thousands of years. Even if it's because some decisions, that seem at least poor, if not horrible, end up having positive effects.
Then please explain why the Imperium of Man is the Best Political Structure in all four points, KarolusTemplareV.
Unless I need to Clarify my Question.
Actually, if you recall the end of Aaron Allston's book "Rebel Dream", the New Republic actually DID use orbital bombardment against the Yuuzhan Vong at Borleias using the Lusankya, Rebel Dream, and the Mon Mothma, if I recall. I'll never forget Lusankya's first encounter with the Vong in that system. The way Aaron Allston wrote those couple paragraphs was absolutely Pulitzer-worthy.