I have an old silver-chassis EL34 model. I watch demos like this one and read up on the extra features of the 20th & wonder if I shouldn’t sell mine & try to “trade up.” Then I read folks talking about how the older models have that “magic tone” … Anybody here done a direct comparison between the older Shivas & the 20th Anny?
great demo. Could you give me your opinion on Shiva vs Goldfinger. From your demos I can hear that Goldfinger has tighter low end especially on 68 and 77, and clean sound also bit better but that's just personal preference. Also it sounds like Goldfinger can deliver higher gain. I'm considering buying one of those two for studio use so versatility is also something to be considered.
Hey is your amp stock? wondering what preamp tubes are used in it? been trying JJ's in mine but realized it likes the Chinese 12ax7 tubes better. Thanks!
Do you mind if I ask how much you paid for it ? Was new or used , im currently looking for a bogner , but I’m torn between an Uberschall, the 20th shiva or the Helios eclipse.
I initially bought the Uberschall. I was looking at the 20th Shiva but an Uber popped up locally and I went for it. Ended up not being very versatile and it just got buried in a mix with another guitarist. It's main OD sound is incredible though. Have had a Helios, as well. I find them kinda boring honestly- they sound good but I never got that "Damn I don't wanna put my guitar down" feeling. The 20th Shiva was the first Bogner that gave the "Whoa- that's insane" feeling AND tons of versatility. No experience with the Eclipse but there was a lot of build up and then a lot of silence after its release which tells me something. Just my opinion, but I think the XTC and the 20th Shiva are the way to go for me.
@@blakemansfield2356 don't sleep on the Twin Jet man! A little tricky to dial in, but once you're there it's that Uberschall tone with more cut and definition. Plus ch. 1 is a killer crunch sound which I think is more usable than the rev blue's clean which is quiet and kinda flat
Absolutely. It is also pretty tight, clear and has some of that angry marshall grind to it, even though it is a kt88 power section. Pretty awesome amp!
My dumb ass moment for the day (please help): the song at :34? I know I know. Just having trouble with name that tune right now. Thanks in advance. Killer tone here.
@@blakemansfield2356 that sounds great, if for bouncy you mean a blend of touch responsiveness (the ability to clean up is what I love about my JMP) and compression under heavy attack. I just fear the Shiva to be too thick/flabby in the low end compared to my JMP 2204...
@@jpbeaufays compared to your JMP it most certainly does (I've owned both the 20th Shiva & the regular EL34 Shiva) it definitely has that thicker low-mids thing going on... Actually why I've moved on from them as I'm in a classic rock cover band. Bogners always seem a bit congested or thick in the low end. The Helios versions don't, however... Although I like my Wildwood edition (3 channel) Friedman Smallbox over the Helios by far
One the best amps ever made
Jay Green Yep! Insane
I've tested Silva's but not this kt-88 version sounds great not cheap but oh well
Ah yes....XYZ @ 4:10! Great demo! You just helped me finally get off the fence on this one, and pull the trigger.
Nice man. Enjoy!
Wicked tones !!
Nice playing , please do
Another video on this amp
Tylernol 88 Anything in particular you’re wanting to hear?
I have an old silver-chassis EL34 model. I watch demos like this one and read up on the extra features of the 20th & wonder if I shouldn’t sell mine & try to “trade up.” Then I read folks talking about how the older models have that “magic tone” … Anybody here done a direct comparison between the older Shivas & the 20th Anny?
Great demo, thanks for posting! Haven’t heard that XYZ riff in ages 😄. Good stuff
These amps sound awesome
great demo. Could you give me your opinion on Shiva vs Goldfinger. From your demos I can hear that Goldfinger has tighter low end especially on 68 and 77, and clean sound also bit better but that's just personal preference. Also it sounds like Goldfinger can deliver higher gain. I'm considering buying one of those two for studio use so versatility is also something to be considered.
It would be great a clip of this amp with V30s. Btw love your demos!
Daniel N Thanks!
I just made a demo of the Shiva with the matching cab with Celestion Vintage 30's like you seek- ruclips.net/video/13fVT4ZzQko/видео.html
Good Player.....!Great sounding Amp.
I still like the EL34 version better. I played both and EL34 was more organic sounding
Nice I haven’t tried it
Hey is your amp stock? wondering what preamp tubes are used in it? been trying JJ's in mine but realized it likes the Chinese 12ax7 tubes better. Thanks!
Yea stock. Don’t have it anymore but I definitely remember it had Chinese preamp tubes. Can’t remember what KT88s though
Do you mind if I ask how much you paid for it ?
Was new or used , im currently looking for a bogner , but I’m torn between an Uberschall, the 20th shiva or the Helios eclipse.
I initially bought the Uberschall. I was looking at the 20th Shiva but an Uber popped up locally and I went for it. Ended up not being very versatile and it just got buried in a mix with another guitarist. It's main OD sound is incredible though. Have had a Helios, as well. I find them kinda boring honestly- they sound good but I never got that "Damn I don't wanna put my guitar down" feeling. The 20th Shiva was the first Bogner that gave the "Whoa- that's insane" feeling AND tons of versatility. No experience with the Eclipse but there was a lot of build up and then a lot of silence after its release which tells me something. Just my opinion, but I think the XTC and the 20th Shiva are the way to go for me.
@@blakemansfield2356 don't sleep on the Twin Jet man! A little tricky to dial in, but once you're there it's that Uberschall tone with more cut and definition. Plus ch. 1 is a killer crunch sound which I think is more usable than the rev blue's clean which is quiet and kinda flat
Erock09291 I want to get my hands on one of those!
Another awesome Video.
How does this compare to the Helios ? I feel like this amp is would be way more versatile
Is the boost function in the preamp, or is it a volume boost, like a 2nd master volume?
Ed Guilherme Preamp- It adds gain.
I heard that the Bogner 3534 has an fx loop issue where it’s really noisy. Does this amp have any issues when pedals are used in the Fx loop?
I have both a 20th Shiva and the 3534. No issues with the effects loop in either amp.
I swear Bogners always have a complaint about the fx loop 😂
Admittedly, I had an Uberschall and the fx loop indeed did kinda suck
Sounds awesome!
Where do you have the excursion set to on this is it below 12 o'clock
I Love this amp! 😍
Caio César Me too.
Glorious!
Maybe mess around with the eq , and hear what it sounds like with pedals ?
Tylernol 88 Doing a video of this amp next to the Marshall Studio Classic. Will see about doing another shiva in depth video soon after
Does this amp really have this much thick gain?
Absolutely. It is also pretty tight, clear and has some of that angry marshall grind to it, even though it is a kt88 power section. Pretty awesome amp!
Chasingtone Yea nothing tricky here- this is the amp itself. Very thick and aggressive and totally unique.
You still playing this or have you moved on?
Yeah moved on but would def own one again. One of my favorites
My dumb ass moment for the day (please help): the song at :34? I know I know. Just having trouble with name that tune right now. Thanks in advance. Killer tone here.
Man in the box. I’m saved.
Do you have to fight this amp when playing leads like the “regular” (non-20th) Shiva?
Not at all
Can you do Undertow/Aenima tones with this amp?
Can Shiva 20th do Helios 50?
How did it compare to your JMP 2203 in terms of feel?
JP Beaufays Man hard to say as I didn’t have them at the same time. But the Bogner has an incredible bouncy feel to it. It’s a GREAT amp.
@@blakemansfield2356 that sounds great, if for bouncy you mean a blend of touch responsiveness (the ability to clean up is what I love about my JMP) and compression under heavy attack. I just fear the Shiva to be too thick/flabby in the low end compared to my JMP 2204...
@@jpbeaufays compared to your JMP it most certainly does (I've owned both the 20th Shiva & the regular EL34 Shiva) it definitely has that thicker low-mids thing going on... Actually why I've moved on from them as I'm in a classic rock cover band. Bogners always seem a bit congested or thick in the low end. The Helios versions don't, however... Although I like my Wildwood edition (3 channel) Friedman Smallbox over the Helios by far
@@MorGuitarz thanks! It sounds like the JMP is a keeper for me, needing fast and precise lows.