@@casualwiifan They also put Gravity falls in there. You know, the show where they refused to let Alex explicitly include a gay couple until literally the final scene of the show.
1. AI honestly gave me an existential crisis during the first months of 2023, it wasn't until the "AI can't be protected by copyright" was established and seeing the actors and writers striking and saw the promise of WGA to add Animation Writers To Their Ranks After the Strike Is Resolved that i started having hope for artists in general. 2. Everytime I hear the topic about art fitting a brand I'm somehow reminded that Disney didn't want to give Luisa Madrigal(Encanto) the body of a bodybuilder because they thought that would make her less popular, but she became one of the fan favorites when the movie came out.
Heres a tip as someone who can ONLY draw (chubby) characters! Blub is heavy bro. Make em' squishy. Make a marshmallow. Give em' folds. Make it everywhere (I tend to give extra fat to upper arms, thighs, butt, chest, and obvs stomach/hips). Make em' friendly looking as a beginner and THEN you can move on to the ones that could fuck u up. Draw em' based off of vibes until you have a good know-how.
There's also the fact that a lot of art schools (not just the big ones like CalArts, but even art programs at community colleges like a friend of mine attended) teach you to draw and illustrate from the perspective of making an appealing and marketable style. Like, according to my friend, that was one of the Main Things that was drilled into their head to the point where they would talk to me about how I was "so lucky" that I don't "have to worry about having a massively appealing style for an audience". That stuck with me for years, but now I think it's more notably a factor of how art is taught in an academic setting (as a product instead of a practice) than as a comment on my style as a whole.
This is exactly why I don't want to do art as a job, and sometimes I don't even want to post it to social media because then it creates the expectation of reward, which kinda sours my motivation to make art.
This is a very good awareness of a psychological trap called Overjustification Effect. Being able to keep your reward intrinsic to the activity is a huge blessing.
I think things like not knowing how to draw POC features isn't so much a "I don't want to try", its more "What if I screw up, and get canceled for it?" seeing as, from what I've seen, social media can be especially unforgiving when it comes to that sort of thing. Tbh, I'm still scared to even try, for fear of accidently offending someone.
I don't fully agree with certain parts of this? Like, I don't have commissions open but if I did, and someone came asking for a plus sized character, I wouldn't feel comfortable taking that commission. I just havent figured it out yet. I'm trying but at my current skill level I wouldn't feel ok taking money to draw something I don't think will turn out well. Same reason I wouldn't want to take a commission where I have to draw bare feet (I've done it once recently for my own art but I still don't know how to draw bare feet) or characters kissing/side profiles. If the persons reason is that it doesnt fit their style or brand, thats where I'd be suspicious of the artist, but just because an artist doesnt take a commission for a certain kind of oc, doesn't mean it is a brand thing.
Hi! That's a very valid concern that many people have, especially when starting out with commissions. Something to remember is that it's just as much a responsibility on the customer's part to choose to commission you as it is your responsibility to accept & draw it. Something I found that helped a lot is to just say up front something like "I'm still practicing with this & I can't guarantee the end result, are you sure you still want me to draw it?" so that way, they have to confirm they're ok with it even if it may not be perfect. A lot of commissioners are also really nice and actually like knowing you're using their commission to practice, and if you keep practicing, the same person might even commission you again so you can both see how your art has progressed!
@@Fionapollo That's fair! Never considered that (one of the reasons I haven't opened commissions is don't want to disappoint people qvq). I still think I'd have to get myself to a decent level before I would feel up to accept a commission like that (and there is a character I want to draw that I can practice with!) but thanks. If I do ever open commissions and I get any of those kinds of requests, I'll say that!
It’s also disheartening in any creative industry even when people are passionate and want to create new things they are still exploited and overworked like Spider-verse 2 the most visually impressive animated movie I’ve seen was made by overworking their animators as someone who wants to do something in animation it’s terrifying.
While I almost don't ever watch anime, I think I probably do have some anime influence in my drawing style(though, I think that comes from that I do like Studio Ghibli movies), but I also do like branching out my drawing style to include different types of people(ie. People of color, different body types, and curly and Afrocentric hair). I kind of do that because I view it as a good skill to have and I find it an interesting way to push what I can do when it comes to drawing people.
I actually love to draw larger characters, I just don't post most of it, in part because of fear because I've been on deviantart for sixteen years, and I have seen many an artist on deviantart get either run off the platform for those things, and relentlessly bullied or had to rebrand and change things all together because they love to create and don't want to leave the platforms that they post their work on. If there's anyone here aware of the Akai Dahlia situation or even Snapesnogger (and I am dating myself with Snapesnogger), then you may know what I'm talking about? While I'm not overly sensitive about that kind of thing, getting bombarded by people who popularize hating on a creator for say a certain kind of kink art is problematic. One seemingly left the internet all together (Akai), and Snapesnogger kind of forced herself into rebranding. She's certainly in a better head space, but I don't think that she or even Akai should have had to put up with the bullying that they did because they not only didn't like their initial branding, they wanted them GONE. I think that as far as my art in general goes my biggest weakness is backgrounds, they're something I've kind of promised myself that I'd work on this year.
As an artist myself, I’m not a fan of people saying I “have” to draw something in order to be inclusive, they don’t know me, the only thing they have to go off of is the art that I post, and that’s no where near all the art that I make. Audiences have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes, and I think it’s very unfair to just say, “You NEED to draw this,” for all they know, the artist already is drawing that stuff, they either don’t post it, or it’s on a separate account. I think the biggest deterrent for artists branching out is the backlash from the very same people saying they should draw what they’re practicing. I’m not talking about the helpful critiques, example drawing heavier set characters, “it’s a rare individual who just has fat around their stomach and nowhere else, it’s okay to round out the face a bit more,” I’m talking about the ones who viciously attack them, tell them to stop making art because it’s not up to their, the random audience member’s, standards. Artists are people too, and just because someone has a bigger audience doesn’t automatically mean that those hateful comments don’t hurt
I can draw a lot of connections with this video with lil uzi currently. they are trying to go ina more experimental direction (which sounds very good) and their fans arent really taking this change well
It annoys me so much when people claim to be a fan, and then proceed to say or do things that show that they don't actually care about the person at all. It shows that they're fans of their (previous) works, and have complete disregard for what is good for the person that has made said works. Instead of being grateful there being any art to begin with, or having an ounce of empathy... sheesh.
I agree with the skill issue point. Speaking for myself first and foremost. While my current style is considered a comfort zone and I’m not all wild about doing crazy “art class”-esque studies; I most certainly do wish to at least “study” in a way that it it gives my current style a wider range of subjects if that’s the right way to put it. I so want to learn how to draw differently sized and shaped people, I definitely want to take a crack at better backgrounds and I even want to push into “harder” designs like robots, armors and monsters. Heck, before I know it the style in which I make these may become completely different as time goes on. So far I think people consider my “brand” as: Cute animals and Girls. Naaah~ Soon I’ll make my “brand” broader than that.
I have a comment regarding "I don't know how to draw X characters" and it's.... sometimes it's hard. AND if you attempt to do it and fail the backlash is insane. Do you remember how many people were cancelled when characters like Nessa became popular? A lot of people tried to make fanarts and get off their confort zone coloring a different skin tones and they were critiziced, bullied and harassed for being racist. And mostly this happened to japanese artist that haven't seen a black person in real life ever. Sometimes it's just not worth it. I have that same problem with curly hair (that is usually associated with african-american culture). I have a lot of troubles understanding it's structure; straight hair is easier and unless I decide to go deep down the rabbit hole I won't be able to do it "as properly as it's needed" for me to not be cancelled. It's upsetting, but I prefer to stick to what I know and let my experimental curly haired characters in private.
Tbh, as long as you practice and are open about still learning, you shouldn’t get any bullying or harassment. At least in my experience people will be gentle and just offer good advice. obviously do what makes you feel best, but if you want to leave your comfort zone, don’t be scared!
@@_kaleido Cyber-bullying campaigns are usually not preceded by someone respectfully asking the prospective target “hello, are you practicing and open to learning?” Not everyone who makes a mistake gets harassed off the internet, but what protects any one individual is more luck than their pure intentions and perseverance.
If I’m going to be honest: I find it disheartening that people claim that something “doesn’t fit your style”. While I do agree that we’re not obligated to draw something we do not we wish to draw and have no obligation to like the experimental stuff, I do also believe that there should be at least a little effort in terms of experimentation and studies, even if it doesn’t “fit” the brand or if its posted on social media or not. Personally, as much as I have my weaknesses in my own art (backgrounds being a big example), I love experimenting in how to view the world. Hell, I enjoy learning new things when it comes to art and how to interpret something in my own style, even if I get it wrong. This is a personal thing, and as mentioned earlier, no one is obligated to draw something outside of their comfort zone nor obligated to enjoy the more experimental pieces. Idk, I’m tired and I just finished the video lol I need a nap 😂
I agree. Going out of your comfort zone with art should be fun. At least to do occasionally. I think it's important to grow a mindset where you're allowed to completely mess up a piece of art without it beings such a big deal. To me it's disheartening when artists go "no, this isn't good enough, I don't want people to see it". I suppose my point is "Bad art" should be celebrated more 😅
Fr, my art style was usually just drawing bulky and sharp muscles since to me they are the most appealing and easiest to draw however it affected me to the point that is pretty much the only body type I draw for a time. Then It also affected the way I draw girls because I mostly draw guys before and made the girls I drew mostly having a petite figure and rare muscular one . Then I slowly drew more diverse types and it was a bit sloppy at first then finally I can draw way more diverse body types on various genders, races and creatures. It became fun. It takes time to draw something out of your comfort zone and when it hits the mark, it is beyond satisfying
Artists need to understand what they are getting into when they start selling their art. Art can be a very personal, therapeutic activity that you put love into. However, when you are selling your art, some of that may go right out the window, and you need to treat your talent as an artist as a service you are providing for others, not just yourself. I'm an artist, but I'm going to talk from a customer POV because I haven't seen that in the comments yet. I love buying art from other artists and I do every month. However, I'll be honest, I go to specific artists because they have a specific style and aesthetic. It sucks that artists feel boxed into a specific style, but if an artist changes their style, I may not support them anymore (as harsh as that sounds). Because I have limited spending money and I'm going to be selfish and go to the artist who will give me the most for my money and cater to what I want as the customer. It's healthier if artists separate out art for fun/experimental art, and commercial art. If you try to blend the two, you're going to get frustrated, bitter, and you're going to get burnout. The artists who can draw whatever they want and comfortably pay the bills are more rare than you think.
The art-style I've gone for is based on 2000s cartoons, which was known for using sharp angles and thick outlines. The biggest influence for me is Butch Hartman's shows (Well, technically the art-style of Butch Hartman/Stephen Silver/Bob Boyle), Fairly OddParents and Danny Phantom specifically. Sometimes I feel like people won't like my art-style for a number of reasons. It may be too simple, it isn't particularly cute, it's based on the works of someone people don't like right now, and the fact that it takes pratically no inspiration from either Disney or Anime. I also sometimes feel like my writing style won't resonate with people since it's a bit more harsh, referential, and sarcastic as opposed to quirky, wholesome, or relatable. Not bashing people who enjoy that type of writing, but I personally just never really liked it all that much. In general, I have an arguably irrational fear that my work won't be liked because it's not "indie" enough. Let me try to explain. Most indie projects on RUclips or Newgrounds or whatever have deeply artistic atmospheres, highly detailed worlds, and deeply developed characters. Lackadaisy has tons of stylized backgrounds and foregrounds, Vivzipop's works have highly detailed characters and extensive lore, you get what I'm talking about. Meanwhile, the stuff I wanna make is much simpler and small scale by comparison. While other people are making stories about bootlegging cats barely scraping by during the great depression, a group of demon hitmen working to overcome their respective psychological traumas, and a band solving paranormal mysteries with a demon puppy, I'm over here writing stories about an ant wondering around trying to find food, four boys attempting to adjust to the wiplash that is starting middle school, and a poverty-stricken wizard boy working to get him and his adopted dad out of living in a vile village while wanting to get revenge on all the rich people who've wrong him and everyone else living there. That last one may seem out of place here, but I took more inspiration from Shrek and Tom and Jerry for that one, rather than any legitimate fantasy show like The Owl House or Game of Thrones . Are people gonna see me as too corporate? Are they gonna think I'm not trying hard enough or being lazy? Are my hypothetical shows even gonna be noticed at all? Are they just gonna be brushed aside? Who knows? I guess only time can tell. Sorry if that may have seemed ridiculous and long, but it's something that always lingers in my mind whenever I think of making a show or comic.
i can see your worry. in indie communities there’s usually a lot of support on work that strays from ‘corporate’ media, due to corporations usually sticking to a single art style. They have the benefit of more uncommonly-styled art to help them, but i think that you could try and one up them on story and concepts instead. If you can come up with a story with a very unique plot concept and advertise that concept significantly relating to the show, then the people interested in engaging with your media won’t care as much about the art being ‘corporate’. I don’t have any particular experience so hopefully this could actually work (btw your final concept that you mentioned sounds really interesting, if it was a comic or something i would sure give it a try based on concept alone :) )
Hard agree with everything said in this video, but I will say I do find it funny that you use Junji Ito for that hypothetical at 6:42, considering he did make a slice of life comedy about his cats And yes, it's drawn the exact same way he does his horror manga
This is making me think of the whole Kooleen or other artist-related discourse- People using the "Doesn't fit the style" (either the artist OR THE FANS) excuse for just about everything. There are very few things in the world that is truly unique. As a person preparing to set up to start making a personal 'brand' and make money as an indie creator, it's been incredibly disheartening to feel that any skill or interest I have *has* to be monetized. I started stressing too much about my writing not following exact guidelines instead of the kind of things I wanted to write. I ended up changing my style from things that I liked or had fun drawing to something that I could use to impress people or imagine selling. It's been quite a struggle trying to keep the disconnect from the sort of thing I want to do and the sort of things that makes money.
I remember once my teacher said "if you only draw fanart, in a cute or edgy style, and you ad a quirky description" you have your life solve out. I draw cartoons; not anime or stylized stuff, just old plain comic cartoons. And is wierd to see is really hard to commercialized this. Sometimes people want Tumblr look art, or anime art, or you have to be famous.
This is something I have been thinking about for a while. Can't help but think about how much some artists are limiting themselves, due to the feeling they need to keep everything on brand. Of course the artists may just enjoy those subjects, I can't help but feel like the artists must be bored of it too. The constant pressure and guidance to "find your artstyle" it feels like it just kills creativity. You need to produce art fast and it needs to look aesthetic and good. If you don't want to be forgotten or drown in the sea of other artists, you need to post often. And since you can probably draw the fastest in that one artstyle you are comfortable with, you just use it. And suddenly your entire brand is just cute anime girls and drawing anything else will be a flop and now you are stuck drawing this for the rest of your social media artist life. It's sad really.
Lol I know, that's why i used him as an example bc the manga is still in his signature style. Imagine if Junji went full shoujo style, would people still like it?
When I was in middle school I refused to draw characters diversely, I only really drew 2 characters that had the same body type, thankfully I’ve been experimenting a lot the past 3 years, but it took me a long time to feel comfortable going out of my comfort zone.
I’m currently struggling with skill issue. Unless I’m “in the zone” it can take me months to finish one drawing and even then it never really ends up looking like what I imagined in my head which becomes really demotivating, especially when I see my art friends begin and finish art works like the same day and here I am, not even halfway through the sketching phase. I’m working on not comparing myself to other artists since I’m still learning and improving and experimenting with my art style but it’s hard when I can barely muster up the energy to draw. I literally WANT to draw every day but I constantly feel burnt out and when I do draw I struggle to get it to look right.
I am involved in an on again-off again relationship with creating art (I want to keep it mostly on for this year and in the future) for the past few years, and one of the reasons why I seem to struggle is this rather unhealthy obsession to find a "personal art style". Nowadays, I realize that I should focus on refining my skill and be open to experimentation instead of comparing myself constantly to other big-name artists on the Internet. Social media is good and all, but when overused, it's fuel for obstructive overthinking and leads to self-sabotage. Another philosophy I want to live by to is wabi-sabi. No matter if you make a simple or complex piece of art, there will always be just something that feel off (at least from the artist's perspective), but that's okay. It's better for someone to try their best because the distance between good and perfection is impossible.
Great video. I was actually having a discussion with a friend on body type changes in anime and she talked about how when compared to the manga the female cast had pretty much the same body type design, and while I think that's a fair point, I think the realistic answer as to why this change is was that when making an anime, especially one with twentyish episodes some corners are going to be cut and some detail will be sacrificed for sack of production.
I don't know where I heard this before, whether from your channel, a comment or somewhere else, but I remember hearing that the best way to develop a unique art style is to draw still life. Even Disney does this for a lot of their princesses until they stopped because, I don't know, they got lazy or something. Whether it's drawing people of color, disabled people or plus size people, it can help to get a real life reference.
I feel like sticking to one style limits our creativity as well as learning which Is why I do art. I like to challenge myself and that is fun to me. Art is like a puzzle where you make the pieces. And figure out how to put it together.
Bro its actually a good thing that you post the community panels every time a new video is up, cuz this time I didn’t see this one in my subscriptions tab ;0;
Haven't finished the video yet but the main reason I don't see AI "art" as art because the way I see it art is the process of creation and with AI art the process of creation is skipped over entirely getting to the final result that steals from real artists anyways (and is ugly af)
I try and see it as a different thing, but I do agree, it's better when an idea from your head gets put into the art, and the final result is almost always worth it, as the satisfaction of seeing everything come together is awesome (at least, I think so)
I know that for myself it’s not that something doesn’t fit my art style but more of something I never drawn before. I admit I don’t really draw different body shapes or people who use wheelchair and because of that I wanna change and learn how to.
I think about stuff like this a lot and it's part of the reason I usually post all my drawings even the ones I think came out terribly. Sure, it might not make the best portfolio but 1. sometimes art that I didn't expect people to like pops off so you never know and 2. I like to think that posting a shitty sketch or practice every once in a while, can bring someone comfort. If by some miracle I ever become a really good artist I hope someone can look back and see not just my best drawings with the understanding that not every drawing needs to be great or even good. Some drawings are just going to fucking suck and even the best artists mess up or make lazy work sometimes. I'm of the opinion that you don't need to post everything but if something isn't like offensive sometimes it can be liberating to just post a crappy piece or wip somewhere and it can also help lessen the anxiety of posting art. At least it does for me, I guess it depends on where you post it and stuff, and your personality.
Just because you have a specific style doesn’t mean you can’t try to draw other things in it. Being used to drawing skinny stick-legged cartoon characters doesn’t mean you can’t attempt to translate other body types into that medium. Having a strictly anime-featureless-face style doesn’t mean you can’t try to mess around with adding larger noses or larger lips onto your artwork. Style isn’t supposed to be a rigid list of things you “can” and “can’t” do, it’s the blueprint your art comes from, the blueprint that can flex to fit a variety of characters and appearances. I’ve actually struggled with this as a beginner artist so I can say from experience that it’s not impossible to learn how to draw plus size characters and characters with larger facial features or facial hair in a style that you’ve only previously used to draw skinny white people. Besides, isn’t experimentation and trying new things what makes art fun?
To me, it's okay if an artist has a certain way of doing things. It is the artist who is making it, after all. However, there is a difference between creating a variety of designs and avoiding a certain type of design. When it becomes clear that the artist is purposely avoiding doing a design choice, then it becomes a problem because they aren't willing to show diversity and inclusion in their works.
OMG yes, I am bothered by hobby artists being drowned out by artists who do these "extreme hustles". I'm about to give a small ramble abt something below lmao, long text inbound; There was a time when I messaged a person, who bought a cheap adopt from me (literally 75cts), and I shot them a note of "heyy are you still using them? I hope you just didn't forget you got them from me bc I don't like when people never use a character" as it's been around almost 2 years, due to me forgetting to do just shoot a simple message. Then I got accused of stalking, and how my "business" will be bound to fail if I do that. LIKE EXCUSE ME?? BUSINESS??? That was the biggest disrespect I've received, besides getting scammed by a person who knew what they were doing with my art and up-staking a chara that way. I understand this person didn't know me. But the fact, that they perceived me as a business, instead of a person, was insulting in itself. -- But yeah. I just. Hated that so much. And it stuck with me since, that I realised, how most artists have to give up being their own individual person, for the sake of "being brand friendly and having good business". It feels so soulless. I like artists, who focus on having fun or critique. While I also ofc buy from commercial adopt accounts as a good example, at the end of the day, I only buy from those, who can take the time to act human and actually just treat me like one. It feels so demotivating coming across people, who are only there for the hustle of money. -- Like I get it, yet again, I myself commercialise commissions for my art, because I need the money genuinely to move out and get a car, for my job. But like- just acting soulless, overly corporate, to achieve a customer-base who doesn't value you as a person, but a blatant art-machine feels so wrong to me. Don't let anyone influence your opinions and views, if you don't want to. It's better to stick out and be your own individual, instead of adhere to more corpo-speak garbage, and acting like you're just another bag of money to acquire.
I'm a baby artist and really struggling to incorporate POC features into my preferred style, which is influenced by anime nose and lip minimalism. However, representation is a fundamental goal in my art. I'm not going to make my POC characters get plastic surgery to fit a popular aesthetic. Why make these gorgeous people change their faces when I can change the way I draw? If you can't draw bodies that fall out of the artistic norm in your own style, you simply aren't very creative.
something i recommend! go watch Thumin! she has a few really nice tutorials about how to draw POC people in an anime-esque style! she also has some really good art commentating stuff
Honestly depends on how minilist the style is, but hair is the #1 feature along with skin tone. like take an art style like adventure time, it's a pretty simple style, but can be pretty diverse in the character designs
My universal strategy is to do contour sketches out of videos and photos to "drag out" the cartoon inside the thing you're seeing. The frustration factor is in trying too hard to calculate out the shapes you're making before you have any familiarity observing the actual features, and doing a lot of blind contours gradually fixes that: you are studying off the real thing, you make a motion that matches that, but it ends up being an exaggerated and simplified line - and that's a cartoon. There is no calculation needed, it just always happens, and you can work it over after the fact and make it more of a formal decision. So the difference between drawing different features, body types, etc tends to evaporate, it's the same as the difference between drawing a leopard and a lion.
By your logic... All artists SHOULD try mecha, furry, armor, muscular builds, men if they only draw women, ect. I get youre saying they have the free will? I get it. But if an artist doesnt wnna draw diveristy they really dont have to.
i mainly do art for fun i maybe good at it in my cartoony style i get told i should do commission work over and over i see art as a fun hobby not for profit
I feel this one! I can especially relate to the part of high expectations being put on individuals to deliver as much quality as big companies. It's tough to get criticism about stuff I could've fixed if I had more resources, but I'm just an individual and I need to be less harsh on myself. Thanks for the video! Very insightful!
Great Video! I’ve currently been struggling to write my senior thesis film for a lot of the reasons mentioned in the first part of the video. I just feel like this is my last chance to make something without having to take out hefty loans and don’t want to f*** it up. So, I’ve sort of been fighting my brain by asking if my ideas would appeal to a wide audience while still being unique enough to stand on their own and being doable with the time I have left at university. I feel this video did a great job at recognizing these sorts of issues and putting them into perspective.
I agree 101% with you on this , this commercialisation of people’s art styles is just absurd, if it’s how it’s displayed, designed or being digitised or traditional, I would suggest using Canva when promoting your artwork with the public or convention goers as they will want to buy more of your artwork for their own private viewing, I used it to promote two of my college films , this is very interesting, I also love Sanrio especially cinnamoroll ❤ also have you seen Ruby Gillman teenage Kraken i here it’s quite interesting, love your work Fiona
Corporate art and it's direction is heading into a boiling point. It will fall over and new creative ideas and experiment begins. Just like instinct to fight, creativity isn't something you can bottle up. The more you try, the harder it will fight back. We see this throughout history. Now, I'm actually a bit confused. When I hear art style, I generally think of it a style a person can craft a world view. Like a lens, everything you can see in that world is possible. Just take a look in teen titans, TMNT, code lyoko, kids next door, code geass, fma and Mha. Each one have it's own style and yet they didn't used the excuse of "it doesn't fit in my style". Of course it doesn't, you have to make it within your style, which will result alot of work. While you aren't obligated to experiment outside of your zone. You never know what else you add into your skills. An advice from a fashion designer told me once. "You never get a dress that will be like by all, conversely. There won't be one that will be 100% hated. These fashion shows takes the pieces we do like and leave the ones we don't. In art, you have to see it as a whole and it's individual pieces."
This was something that's been happening to me for the past couple of months it was difficult finding a unique art style for myself. I always loved both realism and stylized art and I've been trying figure out how to blend the two by using my favorite artists as reference but it's hard for to stay motivated because I would always how worry about people would react to my art for example I mostly draw male characters so it's more difficult to draw for me to draw women because I was more comfortable with drawing the male anatomy I want to draw female characters but they never look as the men in my art.
Something I’ve noticed after over a decade in a specific section of the art community is that an artist will become popular to commission and suddenly 20 other people are mimicking said style (I can only assume to appeal to the original artists market.) I think it makes sense and is natural to mimic parts of styles that you really like, but watching a group of people jump from style to style based on what’s “popular” at the time is disheartening. Not only is it demolishing creativity in an already niche field, but it’s starting to set a weird standard.
I have quite a few artstyles (depending on the project and my mood etc) but I always love challenging myself to get out of my comfort zone to try and put diversity in, be it in body-type or disability aids or i don't know what. I honestly can't imagine *not* experimenting, like sure, i might get some stuff wrong or have it look a bit eeird but who cares! I drew something i enjoyed making and have learned from it. Bjt yeah may be just me
The way I see it is simple, I do what I want to do because I want to do it, no random person has any say in what I do unless they are the government or paying me. I think that everyone has the same rights and if someone want to only draw a ball of yarn they are just as entitled as the person drawing doing eveything and the kitchen sink. Is it better of you can draw more? Yeah sure. Is it required? Depends do you want it for some reason. Does anyone have the right to demand and demean you for not drawing how they want? Oh hell no. If someone says their style is not "X", okay then I'll ask someone else. I am not going to sit there and say they are a horrible person for it. Yet a lot of the art community is set on using mob violence to bully people because said artist went "I don't like that", "I can't draw that", or even "I don't want to draw that". ****************** P.S. If you are over there making your stuff good for you, glad that you are happy. Now don't come over here and yell at me because I am not doing the same thing you are.
As a non-leftist, my opinion likely isn't valued here, but PoC is indistinguishable PoC as a spoken/written phrase. A lot of your piers are using BIPOC, but just saying the mouthful also avoids the problem. And the phrase itself follows D&D's naming convention to avoid a couplet we both acknowledge as racist. As for AI, my biggest problem with it is that the average poster just dumps dozens of photos *with the artifacts of the AI still in them*. They absolutely drown every artist in the feed, every person who put in hard work and dedication, every person who actually added beauty to this world, and don't even put in the effort to learn Photoshop or GIMP to do it.
This is a little bit funny, because this conversation isn't exactly new, and doesn't inherently have anything to do with late-stage capitalism - even the Renaissance masters had to contend with art's relationship to power and, well, every last one of them was a "sellout." The masterworks of ages past were, for the most part, expensive commissions by kings, bankers, and churches, and countless visionary artists, musicians etc. have been long-forgotten by time because they simply didn't make money. So, I dunno Fiona, you make some good points but maybe this is me telling you to take a nap. My advice to artists would be that no matter how insignificant we may feel, the work of the artist, the musician and the writer can either reinforce or define the dominant culture of our time. As creatives it is our sacred duty to do the former only as much as we must, and the latter as much as we can. We can never know the full impact our work will have on the world, but we are all equally responsible for it nonetheless. So paint that gay shit and fuck the haters because you're the one we need, you know?
I wanted to get into the art industry before all this nonsense, i knew things would be hard and the market is oversaturated but I figured that with time and some courses I could maybe in a handful of years get to a place where I can at least do commissions, I spent a lot of time debating the point of it all with AI being developed to such a degree, now I'm doing art just because it was that one light at the end of the tunnel that kept me going, its one of my last remaining life lines and I decided to not let go, whatever happens in the future for me I'm still going to push, I have not much else going on and the halls are closing in, I wish the best of luck to the rest of you.
I can also really understand that an artist don't wanna dip their toes into "minorities they are not a part of" waters. It can easily go sideways so that they get accused of cultural appropriation, insensitive depiction ect. A queer disabled person I have known since early childhood and have a lot of respect for, tend to write rather angry pieces in a national newspaper about ablebodied actors playing disabled roles, or straight actors playing queer roles... Its a minefield I can't really blame a small independant artist to want to avoid. Shitstorms can be overwhelming and unpredictable
Haven't watched yet, but... I'm. I really do want to make fat OCs, but my artstyle is based off of Panty & Stockings, and the Puyo Tetris artstyle. And their fat characters, are basically joke characters So for me. It's more of a "in order not to offend anyone, I'm not going to attempt it" Which, is not good. I know
The only possible way you can make them into joke characters is by making them the butt of any fat joke or having being fat their entire personality, such as putting them in visually ill-fitting clothes to exaggerate their weight or depicting them eating all the time. Literally just don't do those and you'll be fine
HOT TAKE :Never use anime as reference if you are leaning how to draw the human body, that's a big mistake (that doesn't mean that should stop drawing anime). Even if your art style is extreme stylized , you should learn the basics (anatomy )and how to simplify them first . The same applies to toon etc
the real way to learn is to doodle in your math book during class and then get so into drawing that you go back to LEARN the basics, while still keeping the lessons you learned just by experimenting with you, at least that’s how most great artists I know learned.
@@callmeaprilroseorisha404 . I'm pretty sure you're still in High school . It's import to practice creative both thing shouldn't be exclusive . Learning the art fundamentals will improve your OCS. Your profile picture is cute
3:46 I would argue that personally I think more people dislike ai art because of the fact that it isn't generating the images on its own. That is to say that ai is grabbing a bunch of pieces of art without permission from a lot of creators and jamming them together. Whether or not it's soulless can only mean so much because then you have a whole definition of what even is art and honestly that just goes in circles. I'm sure a lot of people definitely find it soulless, and I would absolutely prefer art that is created by a person since it is more likely to have a coherent intentional or unintentional meaning to dissect so I'm not disputing that point. Actually, if anything I would argue that there's definitely a world where ai art could exist and I don't find it inherently evil or bad. However, that would require a major overhaul in how people use it, and putting more emphasis on respecting the boundaries of artists and workers when it comes to both gathering the art for the programs and how/when it is used. Also, the whole soulless argument can only take you so far. Also, ai struggles to make newer and fresher things since for the most part it can only rip from stuff it has referenced. Also, frankly it's overhyped as fuck and it's not the next singularity that some people make it out to be. Some ai drawings have gotten disturbingly convincing if you gloss over it but if you are paying attention, it usually becomes apparent due to a lack of artistic intent or weird mistakes and discrepancies. Also, ai videos frankly look uncanny rn. I would the term "ai" itself in this specific instance feels like a bit of a disingenuous name in order to hype it up and sound better than it actually is. When it comes to drawing poc on one hand yeah, I can't force you to draw anything and I'm not going to sit around forcing you to draw something. If I realize that you're not going to draw poc I'm just leaving and going to support someone who does. However, I would be lying if I said that it doesn't sting at least a little bit because to me personally it feels disingenuous or hypocritical in most cases. People say things like "poc are hard to draw" but the truth is I don't think any poc are actually any harder to draw than any other kind of human it's just that drawing HUMANS is hard and learning how to draw more kinds of people in general is hard. When I used to draw pale skin and white people it used to end up weird, sickly and unintentionally yellowy and I know that's the case for a lot of other people so that's why I personally often get annoyed when people aren't willing to put in even a modicum of that kind of effort, work or motivation for other things like certain poc for example. Also, frankly being able to draw a wider variety of people opens up more opportunities in most cases since you at least have the option to do so if someone asks (or at the very least potentially draws in a larger audience if that's your motivator. I mean at a certain point I would argue one should do it to improve as an artist, but I know not everyone cares about that) and on top of that it can help make things like character designs more distinct and separate. I mean everyone has a comfort zone and I don't think forcing yourself to be out of your comfort zone 24/7 is mentally healthy but at the same time I think if you want to be the best artist you can be you do have to step out of it sometimes, at least on occasion.
Personally, I dont really like, drawing only in one style. I love to jump arround between realism, semi realism and cartoony looking things. And hack, Mark Crilley made a name for him self, without keeping one speciffic style. And still, these days, you hear so often, that having a specific style, is so important, if you want to turn your art into a buisunes. So, everyone is drawing themselfs into a corner and creating certian expactations for their viewers. (Sorry for the spelling mistakes. My correction program is somehow turned off)
For part 2: Ladies and gentlemen, gays, humans, and refrigerators, this is why you must learn how to draw before stylysing your work. That's why many professional artists keep saying "It just comes naturally" YOU CANT BREAK A GOD DAM RULE IF YOU DONT KNOW ANY OF THE RULES IN THE 1ST PLACE. This might sound abit too much and yes some artstyles can get away without learning how to draw proper face or body anatomy but still, you should atleast try to learn these things before you start stylysing. A simple mistake i see so many beginners make, STOP SKIPPING THE FUNDAMENTALS‼️ Take it slow man.
The only issue of capitalism are the masses being dumb af and not seeing value in originality, companies realise that attempts to makes something new often ends in failure and decide it's not worth it.
I'm not going to tell you to take a nap because I don't know your sleep needs at the moment you read this, but everyone needs to drink some water when they read this comment.
I don't think it's the artists job to show diversity. Diversity is created by a myriad of works from different artists each showing something different with different people. Forcing a single artwork to show every side of humanity leads to the mediocrity we have from netflix and disney now, where the focus of the piece leaves the story for a focus in diversity. It's like nutrition, not everything needs to be at the same plate, and not every restaurant will serve you all types of food. Some artists just want to draw furry loli, and that's ok, they don't have to diversify for the sake of diversity. Same goes for the people that just draw BL or just thin skinny barbies. It's their world they're creating and their time they spend, and no one should tell them differently.
I agree about furries, but... do you know what loli means? Drawing that is far away from being ok. I genuinely hope you mistaked it for anthro yiff or something close to that term.
As an artist, i do try to draw more than just thin body types, im not very good at it but i do try, but when i draw humans i typically do not draw people of color, it makes me uncomfortable not because i dislike them or find them bad, but because Im white, i do not understand their styles, which is typically associated with their clothing choices, while i dont understand i do still attempt to get better at it, but until i feel confident my art and style is properly adjusted/figured out, i wont post it. I dont know if i worded it right, but i hope people understand this. Im hoping after more studies of references and stuff will help me.
To be fair regarding the not taking comms regarding someone oc if it includes characteristics you aren't accostumed to draw, I personally wouldn't do it because It feels gross to take money if I cannot do something. People characters deserve love and to be drawn correctly, If i don't know how to draw wheelchair, unless it was a bust, I wouldn't take money for a commission for it.
Something not being drawn because "it's not their style" IS a valid response for not drawing stuff they don't want solely because they're not obligated to draw things they like/don't want. An artists doesn't owe anyone an explanation to why they don't draw certain groups. And you can't just tell an artist to "make it work in your style" either, as whether something fits an artstyle is subjective and it's not anyone's place to tell an artist they're wrong for not thinking something looks good in their style. I think the real issue is expecting justification on something that doesn't need to be justified. If people didn't find "it doesn't suit my artstyle" as a good enough answer, then I highly doubt they'll take "I don't want to" or "I have no interest in drawing that" any better. Also, if the artist isn't answering the question honestly, that's their right too.
You can't really avoid that tbh, people will fetishise anything. You just have to learn how to ignore them & focus on how you want to portray stuff, not how weirdos might interpret it
@@Fionapollo Both yes and no on that. I learned over time if you keep drawing alot of one thing it brings in people who want to see alot of that one thing, and will take advantage when they know that you can't see their alternative motives. Sure I can "ignore the weirdos" but that only works when they are being blatant about it.
@@Fionapollo Ontop of that later, art is my hobby and what I do for my free time, and I just really don't want to deal with weirdos popping up in my socials. I get enough irl weirdos to deal with. Like it would be different if art was my career and I have to get a wide enough audience as possible, but I honestly do think expectations for professional artists should be put on those who just do stuff for hobby
Weirdly, disney cancelled the owl house for not fitting the Brand
And then had the balls to put it in the "Pride collection" on Disney+
@@amazingspiderladLMFAO
@@casualwiifan They also put Gravity falls in there. You know, the show where they refused to let Alex explicitly include a gay couple until literally the final scene of the show.
Tbh, probably because having a show that's banned or neededing to be heavily censored in so many countries wasn't worth it lol
@@mykaruest3620 nope. Gravity falls aired fully and it was censored
1. AI honestly gave me an existential crisis during the first months of 2023, it wasn't until the "AI can't be protected by copyright" was established and seeing the actors and writers striking and saw the promise of WGA to add Animation Writers To Their Ranks After the Strike Is Resolved that i started having hope for artists in general.
2. Everytime I hear the topic about art fitting a brand I'm somehow reminded that Disney didn't want to give Luisa Madrigal(Encanto) the body of a bodybuilder because they thought that would make her less popular, but she became one of the fan favorites when the movie came out.
heres the thing, i dont know how the FUCK to draw fat characters, but im *trying* thats whats important
Heres a tip as someone who can ONLY draw (chubby) characters! Blub is heavy bro. Make em' squishy. Make a marshmallow. Give em' folds. Make it everywhere (I tend to give extra fat to upper arms, thighs, butt, chest, and obvs stomach/hips). Make em' friendly looking as a beginner and THEN you can move on to the ones that could fuck u up. Draw em' based off of vibes until you have a good know-how.
There's also the fact that a lot of art schools (not just the big ones like CalArts, but even art programs at community colleges like a friend of mine attended) teach you to draw and illustrate from the perspective of making an appealing and marketable style. Like, according to my friend, that was one of the Main Things that was drilled into their head to the point where they would talk to me about how I was "so lucky" that I don't "have to worry about having a massively appealing style for an audience".
That stuck with me for years, but now I think it's more notably a factor of how art is taught in an academic setting (as a product instead of a practice) than as a comment on my style as a whole.
This is exactly why I don't want to do art as a job, and sometimes I don't even want to post it to social media because then it creates the expectation of reward, which kinda sours my motivation to make art.
This is a very good awareness of a psychological trap called Overjustification Effect. Being able to keep your reward intrinsic to the activity is a huge blessing.
I think things like not knowing how to draw POC features isn't so much a "I don't want to try", its more "What if I screw up, and get canceled for it?" seeing as, from what I've seen, social media can be especially unforgiving when it comes to that sort of thing. Tbh, I'm still scared to even try, for fear of accidently offending someone.
I don't fully agree with certain parts of this? Like, I don't have commissions open but if I did, and someone came asking for a plus sized character, I wouldn't feel comfortable taking that commission. I just havent figured it out yet. I'm trying but at my current skill level I wouldn't feel ok taking money to draw something I don't think will turn out well. Same reason I wouldn't want to take a commission where I have to draw bare feet (I've done it once recently for my own art but I still don't know how to draw bare feet) or characters kissing/side profiles.
If the persons reason is that it doesnt fit their style or brand, thats where I'd be suspicious of the artist, but just because an artist doesnt take a commission for a certain kind of oc, doesn't mean it is a brand thing.
Hi! That's a very valid concern that many people have, especially when starting out with commissions. Something to remember is that it's just as much a responsibility on the customer's part to choose to commission you as it is your responsibility to accept & draw it.
Something I found that helped a lot is to just say up front something like "I'm still practicing with this & I can't guarantee the end result, are you sure you still want me to draw it?" so that way, they have to confirm they're ok with it even if it may not be perfect. A lot of commissioners are also really nice and actually like knowing you're using their commission to practice, and if you keep practicing, the same person might even commission you again so you can both see how your art has progressed!
@@Fionapollo That's fair! Never considered that (one of the reasons I haven't opened commissions is don't want to disappoint people qvq). I still think I'd have to get myself to a decent level before I would feel up to accept a commission like that (and there is a character I want to draw that I can practice with!) but thanks. If I do ever open commissions and I get any of those kinds of requests, I'll say that!
It’s also disheartening in any creative industry even when people are passionate and want to create new things they are still exploited and overworked like Spider-verse 2 the most visually impressive animated movie I’ve seen was made by overworking their animators as someone who wants to do something in animation it’s terrifying.
While I almost don't ever watch anime, I think I probably do have some anime influence in my drawing style(though, I think that comes from that I do like Studio Ghibli movies), but I also do like branching out my drawing style to include different types of people(ie. People of color, different body types, and curly and Afrocentric hair). I kind of do that because I view it as a good skill to have and I find it an interesting way to push what I can do when it comes to drawing people.
This is literally me only I tend switch between a Renaissance Disney style and an ATLA style. It's super weird.
I actually love to draw larger characters, I just don't post most of it, in part because of fear because I've been on deviantart for sixteen years, and I have seen many an artist on deviantart get either run off the platform for those things, and relentlessly bullied or had to rebrand and change things all together because they love to create and don't want to leave the platforms that they post their work on. If there's anyone here aware of the Akai Dahlia situation or even Snapesnogger (and I am dating myself with Snapesnogger), then you may know what I'm talking about? While I'm not overly sensitive about that kind of thing, getting bombarded by people who popularize hating on a creator for say a certain kind of kink art is problematic. One seemingly left the internet all together (Akai), and Snapesnogger kind of forced herself into rebranding. She's certainly in a better head space, but I don't think that she or even Akai should have had to put up with the bullying that they did because they not only didn't like their initial branding, they wanted them GONE. I think that as far as my art in general goes my biggest weakness is backgrounds, they're something I've kind of promised myself that I'd work on this year.
As an artist myself, I’m not a fan of people saying I “have” to draw something in order to be inclusive, they don’t know me, the only thing they have to go off of is the art that I post, and that’s no where near all the art that I make. Audiences have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes, and I think it’s very unfair to just say, “You NEED to draw this,” for all they know, the artist already is drawing that stuff, they either don’t post it, or it’s on a separate account.
I think the biggest deterrent for artists branching out is the backlash from the very same people saying they should draw what they’re practicing. I’m not talking about the helpful critiques, example drawing heavier set characters, “it’s a rare individual who just has fat around their stomach and nowhere else, it’s okay to round out the face a bit more,” I’m talking about the ones who viciously attack them, tell them to stop making art because it’s not up to their, the random audience member’s, standards. Artists are people too, and just because someone has a bigger audience doesn’t automatically mean that those hateful comments don’t hurt
I can draw a lot of connections with this video with lil uzi currently. they are trying to go ina more experimental direction (which sounds very good) and their fans arent really taking this change well
It annoys me so much when people claim to be a fan, and then proceed to say or do things that show that they don't actually care about the person at all. It shows that they're fans of their (previous) works, and have complete disregard for what is good for the person that has made said works.
Instead of being grateful there being any art to begin with, or having an ounce of empathy... sheesh.
I agree with the skill issue point. Speaking for myself first and foremost.
While my current style is considered a comfort zone and I’m not all wild about doing crazy “art class”-esque studies; I most certainly do wish to at least “study” in a way that it it gives my current style a wider range of subjects if that’s the right way to put it.
I so want to learn how to draw differently sized and shaped people, I definitely want to take a crack at better backgrounds and I even want to push into “harder” designs like robots, armors and monsters.
Heck, before I know it the style in which I make these may become completely different as time goes on.
So far I think people consider my “brand” as: Cute animals and Girls. Naaah~ Soon I’ll make my “brand” broader than that.
I have a comment regarding "I don't know how to draw X characters" and it's.... sometimes it's hard. AND if you attempt to do it and fail the backlash is insane.
Do you remember how many people were cancelled when characters like Nessa became popular? A lot of people tried to make fanarts and get off their confort zone coloring a different skin tones and they were critiziced, bullied and harassed for being racist.
And mostly this happened to japanese artist that haven't seen a black person in real life ever. Sometimes it's just not worth it.
I have that same problem with curly hair (that is usually associated with african-american culture). I have a lot of troubles understanding it's structure; straight hair is easier and unless I decide to go deep down the rabbit hole I won't be able to do it "as properly as it's needed" for me to not be cancelled. It's upsetting, but I prefer to stick to what I know and let my experimental curly haired characters in private.
Tbh, as long as you practice and are open about still learning, you shouldn’t get any bullying or harassment. At least in my experience people will be gentle and just offer good advice. obviously do what makes you feel best, but if you want to leave your comfort zone, don’t be scared!
@@_kaleido Cyber-bullying campaigns are usually not preceded by someone respectfully asking the prospective target “hello, are you practicing and open to learning?”
Not everyone who makes a mistake gets harassed off the internet, but what protects any one individual is more luck than their pure intentions and perseverance.
in another artists words (kinda) you can fit stuff in your artstyle, Its YOUR artstyle so you can fit *anything* in it, you just choose to not to
If I’m going to be honest: I find it disheartening that people claim that something “doesn’t fit your style”. While I do agree that we’re not obligated to draw something we do not we wish to draw and have no obligation to like the experimental stuff, I do also believe that there should be at least a little effort in terms of experimentation and studies, even if it doesn’t “fit” the brand or if its posted on social media or not.
Personally, as much as I have my weaknesses in my own art (backgrounds being a big example), I love experimenting in how to view the world. Hell, I enjoy learning new things when it comes to art and how to interpret something in my own style, even if I get it wrong. This is a personal thing, and as mentioned earlier, no one is obligated to draw something outside of their comfort zone nor obligated to enjoy the more experimental pieces.
Idk, I’m tired and I just finished the video lol I need a nap 😂
I agree. Going out of your comfort zone with art should be fun. At least to do occasionally. I think it's important to grow a mindset where you're allowed to completely mess up a piece of art without it beings such a big deal. To me it's disheartening when artists go "no, this isn't good enough, I don't want people to see it".
I suppose my point is "Bad art" should be celebrated more 😅
I have a weakness of backgrounds too.
@@zainahbutterflybackgrounds are the bane of my existence.
Fr, my art style was usually just drawing bulky and sharp muscles since to me they are the most appealing and easiest to draw however it affected me to the point that is pretty much the only body type I draw for a time. Then It also affected the way I draw girls because I mostly draw guys before and made the girls I drew mostly having a petite figure and rare muscular one . Then I slowly drew more diverse types and it was a bit sloppy at first then finally I can draw way more diverse body types on various genders, races and creatures. It became fun.
It takes time to draw something out of your comfort zone and when it hits the mark, it is beyond satisfying
Artists need to understand what they are getting into when they start selling their art. Art can be a very personal, therapeutic activity that you put love into. However, when you are selling your art, some of that may go right out the window, and you need to treat your talent as an artist as a service you are providing for others, not just yourself. I'm an artist, but I'm going to talk from a customer POV because I haven't seen that in the comments yet. I love buying art from other artists and I do every month. However, I'll be honest, I go to specific artists because they have a specific style and aesthetic. It sucks that artists feel boxed into a specific style, but if an artist changes their style, I may not support them anymore (as harsh as that sounds). Because I have limited spending money and I'm going to be selfish and go to the artist who will give me the most for my money and cater to what I want as the customer. It's healthier if artists separate out art for fun/experimental art, and commercial art. If you try to blend the two, you're going to get frustrated, bitter, and you're going to get burnout. The artists who can draw whatever they want and comfortably pay the bills are more rare than you think.
The art-style I've gone for is based on 2000s cartoons, which was known for using sharp angles and thick outlines. The biggest influence for me is Butch Hartman's shows (Well, technically the art-style of Butch Hartman/Stephen Silver/Bob Boyle), Fairly OddParents and Danny Phantom specifically. Sometimes I feel like people won't like my art-style for a number of reasons. It may be too simple, it isn't particularly cute, it's based on the works of someone people don't like right now, and the fact that it takes pratically no inspiration from either Disney or Anime.
I also sometimes feel like my writing style won't resonate with people since it's a bit more harsh, referential, and sarcastic as opposed to quirky, wholesome, or relatable. Not bashing people who enjoy that type of writing, but I personally just never really liked it all that much.
In general, I have an arguably irrational fear that my work won't be liked because it's not "indie" enough. Let me try to explain. Most indie projects on RUclips or Newgrounds or whatever have deeply artistic atmospheres, highly detailed worlds, and deeply developed characters. Lackadaisy has tons of stylized backgrounds and foregrounds, Vivzipop's works have highly detailed characters and extensive lore, you get what I'm talking about. Meanwhile, the stuff I wanna make is much simpler and small scale by comparison. While other people are making stories about bootlegging cats barely scraping by during the great depression, a group of demon hitmen working to overcome their respective psychological traumas, and a band solving paranormal mysteries with a demon puppy, I'm over here writing stories about an ant wondering around trying to find food, four boys attempting to adjust to the wiplash that is starting middle school, and a poverty-stricken wizard boy working to get him and his adopted dad out of living in a vile village while wanting to get revenge on all the rich people who've wrong him and everyone else living there. That last one may seem out of place here, but I took more inspiration from Shrek and Tom and Jerry for that one, rather than any legitimate fantasy show like The Owl House or Game of Thrones .
Are people gonna see me as too corporate? Are they gonna think I'm not trying hard enough or being lazy? Are my hypothetical shows even gonna be noticed at all? Are they just gonna be brushed aside? Who knows? I guess only time can tell.
Sorry if that may have seemed ridiculous and long, but it's something that always lingers in my mind whenever I think of making a show or comic.
i can see your worry. in indie communities there’s usually a lot of support on work that strays from ‘corporate’ media, due to corporations usually sticking to a single art style. They have the benefit of more uncommonly-styled art to help them, but i think that you could try and one up them on story and concepts instead. If you can come up with a story with a very unique plot concept and advertise that concept significantly relating to the show, then the people interested in engaging with your media won’t care as much about the art being ‘corporate’. I don’t have any particular experience so hopefully this could actually work (btw your final concept that you mentioned sounds really interesting, if it was a comic or something i would sure give it a try based on concept alone :) )
@waterworks_yes Thanks, man. That means a lot.
@@Ronboy-20 it’s no problem, artists support artists. I know you can do it!
Hard agree with everything said in this video, but I will say I do find it funny that you use Junji Ito for that hypothetical at 6:42, considering he did make a slice of life comedy about his cats
And yes, it's drawn the exact same way he does his horror manga
This is making me think of the whole Kooleen or other artist-related discourse- People using the "Doesn't fit the style" (either the artist OR THE FANS) excuse for just about everything. There are very few things in the world that is truly unique. As a person preparing to set up to start making a personal 'brand' and make money as an indie creator, it's been incredibly disheartening to feel that any skill or interest I have *has* to be monetized. I started stressing too much about my writing not following exact guidelines instead of the kind of things I wanted to write. I ended up changing my style from things that I liked or had fun drawing to something that I could use to impress people or imagine selling. It's been quite a struggle trying to keep the disconnect from the sort of thing I want to do and the sort of things that makes money.
I remember once my teacher said "if you only draw fanart, in a cute or edgy style, and you ad a quirky description" you have your life solve out.
I draw cartoons; not anime or stylized stuff, just old plain comic cartoons. And is wierd to see is really hard to commercialized this. Sometimes people want Tumblr look art, or anime art, or you have to be famous.
This is something I have been thinking about for a while.
Can't help but think about how much some artists are limiting themselves, due to the feeling they need to keep everything on brand.
Of course the artists may just enjoy those subjects, I can't help but feel like the artists must be bored of it too.
The constant pressure and guidance to "find your artstyle" it feels like it just kills creativity. You need to produce art fast and it needs to look aesthetic and good. If you don't want to be forgotten or drown in the sea of other artists, you need to post often. And since you can probably draw the fastest in that one artstyle you are comfortable with, you just use it. And suddenly your entire brand is just cute anime girls and drawing anything else will be a flop and now you are stuck drawing this for the rest of your social media artist life.
It's sad really.
11:44 In my opinion, I think people ARE allowed to say these things, so long as they finish it by saying that they want to learn
Lol Junji Ito did make a slice of life manga. It was about his cats.
Lol I know, that's why i used him as an example bc the manga is still in his signature style. Imagine if Junji went full shoujo style, would people still like it?
@@Fionapollo I'd kill to see it omfg...
When I was in middle school I refused to draw characters diversely, I only really drew 2 characters that had the same body type, thankfully I’ve been experimenting a lot the past 3 years, but it took me a long time to feel comfortable going out of my comfort zone.
This sounds like a good companion peice that Dutchess Celestia did on art styles and POC
I’m currently struggling with skill issue. Unless I’m “in the zone” it can take me months to finish one drawing and even then it never really ends up looking like what I imagined in my head which becomes really demotivating, especially when I see my art friends begin and finish art works like the same day and here I am, not even halfway through the sketching phase. I’m working on not comparing myself to other artists since I’m still learning and improving and experimenting with my art style but it’s hard when I can barely muster up the energy to draw. I literally WANT to draw every day but I constantly feel burnt out and when I do draw I struggle to get it to look right.
I don't like the idea of people being forced to adapt. I tried this; it just caused instant burnout!
I am involved in an on again-off again relationship with creating art (I want to keep it mostly on for this year and in the future) for the past few years, and one of the reasons why I seem to struggle is this rather unhealthy obsession to find a "personal art style". Nowadays, I realize that I should focus on refining my skill and be open to experimentation instead of comparing myself constantly to other big-name artists on the Internet. Social media is good and all, but when overused, it's fuel for obstructive overthinking and leads to self-sabotage.
Another philosophy I want to live by to is wabi-sabi. No matter if you make a simple or complex piece of art, there will always be just something that feel off (at least from the artist's perspective), but that's okay. It's better for someone to try their best because the distance between good and perfection is impossible.
Great video. I was actually having a discussion with a friend on body type changes in anime and she talked about how when compared to the manga the female cast had pretty much the same body type design, and while I think that's a fair point, I think the realistic answer as to why this change is was that when making an anime, especially one with twentyish episodes some corners are going to be cut and some detail will be sacrificed for sack of production.
On an unrelated note you drew the hands so good-
I don't know where I heard this before, whether from your channel, a comment or somewhere else, but I remember hearing that the best way to develop a unique art style is to draw still life. Even Disney does this for a lot of their princesses until they stopped because, I don't know, they got lazy or something. Whether it's drawing people of color, disabled people or plus size people, it can help to get a real life reference.
I feel like sticking to one style limits our creativity as well as learning which Is why I do art. I like to challenge myself and that is fun to me.
Art is like a puzzle where you make the pieces. And figure out how to put it together.
Bro its actually a good thing that you post the community panels every time a new video is up, cuz this time I didn’t see this one in my subscriptions tab ;0;
this is super cool to see. In light of recent events *ahem hem* kooleen *ahem* its so good to see this idea talked about. i love your style!!!!!!!
5:54 if you can beat ‘em, join ‘em
Haven't finished the video yet but the main reason I don't see AI "art" as art because the way I see it art is the process of creation and with AI art the process of creation is skipped over entirely getting to the final result that steals from real artists anyways (and is ugly af)
I try and see it as a different thing, but I do agree, it's better when an idea from your head gets put into the art, and the final result is almost always worth it, as the satisfaction of seeing everything come together is awesome (at least, I think so)
I mean, it's still an image with colors and composition. If Jack Pollock is an artist, so is AI
@@heartnsoulintodeglocc9975 I think you're missing the point
What's a real artist? The moment you sell your art, you aren't an artist you're an art dealer.
@@IM_GOING_TOO_HAM ????
I know that for myself it’s not that something doesn’t fit my art style but more of something I never drawn before. I admit I don’t really draw different body shapes or people who use wheelchair and because of that I wanna change and learn how to.
Here's my gripes with people who have skill issue. These things can be learned within a matter of minutes. Don't set yourself up for failure🤗
Exited to watch this video, glad I get to hear your opinion on it :)
I saw the thumbnail on my homepage but the bottom was cut off by the bottom of Hê screen and I thought it said ‘Eat Ocs’
6:55 though maybe people would just think the true horror comes from the suspense alone idk
9:40 You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
I think about stuff like this a lot and it's part of the reason I usually post all my drawings even the ones I think came out terribly. Sure, it might not make the best portfolio but 1. sometimes art that I didn't expect people to like pops off so you never know and 2. I like to think that posting a shitty sketch or practice every once in a while, can bring someone comfort. If by some miracle I ever become a really good artist I hope someone can look back and see not just my best drawings with the understanding that not every drawing needs to be great or even good. Some drawings are just going to fucking suck and even the best artists mess up or make lazy work sometimes. I'm of the opinion that you don't need to post everything but if something isn't like offensive sometimes it can be liberating to just post a crappy piece or wip somewhere and it can also help lessen the anxiety of posting art. At least it does for me, I guess it depends on where you post it and stuff, and your personality.
Just because you have a specific style doesn’t mean you can’t try to draw other things in it. Being used to drawing skinny stick-legged cartoon characters doesn’t mean you can’t attempt to translate other body types into that medium. Having a strictly anime-featureless-face style doesn’t mean you can’t try to mess around with adding larger noses or larger lips onto your artwork. Style isn’t supposed to be a rigid list of things you “can” and “can’t” do, it’s the blueprint your art comes from, the blueprint that can flex to fit a variety of characters and appearances.
I’ve actually struggled with this as a beginner artist so I can say from experience that it’s not impossible to learn how to draw plus size characters and characters with larger facial features or facial hair in a style that you’ve only previously used to draw skinny white people. Besides, isn’t experimentation and trying new things what makes art fun?
To me, it's okay if an artist has a certain way of doing things. It is the artist who is making it, after all. However, there is a difference between creating a variety of designs and avoiding a certain type of design. When it becomes clear that the artist is purposely avoiding doing a design choice, then it becomes a problem because they aren't willing to show diversity and inclusion in their works.
OMG yes, I am bothered by hobby artists being drowned out by artists who do these "extreme hustles". I'm about to give a small ramble abt something below lmao, long text inbound;
There was a time when I messaged a person, who bought a cheap adopt from me (literally 75cts), and I shot them a note of "heyy are you still using them? I hope you just didn't forget you got them from me bc I don't like when people never use a character" as it's been around almost 2 years, due to me forgetting to do just shoot a simple message. Then I got accused of stalking, and how my "business" will be bound to fail if I do that.
LIKE EXCUSE ME?? BUSINESS??? That was the biggest disrespect I've received, besides getting scammed by a person who knew what they were doing with my art and up-staking a chara that way. I understand this person didn't know me. But the fact, that they perceived me as a business, instead of a person, was insulting in itself.
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But yeah. I just. Hated that so much. And it stuck with me since, that I realised, how most artists have to give up being their own individual person, for the sake of "being brand friendly and having good business". It feels so soulless. I like artists, who focus on having fun or critique.
While I also ofc buy from commercial adopt accounts as a good example, at the end of the day, I only buy from those, who can take the time to act human and actually just treat me like one. It feels so demotivating coming across people, who are only there for the hustle of money.
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Like I get it, yet again, I myself commercialise commissions for my art, because I need the money genuinely to move out and get a car, for my job. But like- just acting soulless, overly corporate, to achieve a customer-base who doesn't value you as a person, but a blatant art-machine feels so wrong to me.
Don't let anyone influence your opinions and views, if you don't want to. It's better to stick out and be your own individual, instead of adhere to more corpo-speak garbage, and acting like you're just another bag of money to acquire.
I'm a baby artist and really struggling to incorporate POC features into my preferred style, which is influenced by anime nose and lip minimalism. However, representation is a fundamental goal in my art. I'm not going to make my POC characters get plastic surgery to fit a popular aesthetic. Why make these gorgeous people change their faces when I can change the way I draw? If you can't draw bodies that fall out of the artistic norm in your own style, you simply aren't very creative.
something i recommend! go watch Thumin! she has a few really nice tutorials about how to draw POC people in an anime-esque style! she also has some really good art commentating stuff
Honestly depends on how minilist the style is, but hair is the #1 feature along with skin tone. like take an art style like adventure time, it's a pretty simple style, but can be pretty diverse in the character designs
My universal strategy is to do contour sketches out of videos and photos to "drag out" the cartoon inside the thing you're seeing. The frustration factor is in trying too hard to calculate out the shapes you're making before you have any familiarity observing the actual features, and doing a lot of blind contours gradually fixes that: you are studying off the real thing, you make a motion that matches that, but it ends up being an exaggerated and simplified line - and that's a cartoon. There is no calculation needed, it just always happens, and you can work it over after the fact and make it more of a formal decision. So the difference between drawing different features, body types, etc tends to evaporate, it's the same as the difference between drawing a leopard and a lion.
It is time to watch The Boondocks😊
What. This literally made so little sense-???
By your logic... All artists SHOULD try mecha, furry, armor, muscular builds, men if they only draw women, ect. I get youre saying they have the free will? I get it. But if an artist doesnt wnna draw diveristy they really dont have to.
Exactly what I was thinking
i mainly do art for fun i maybe good at it in my cartoony style i get told i should do commission work over and over i see art as a fun hobby not for profit
I feel this one! I can especially relate to the part of high expectations being put on individuals to deliver as much quality as big companies. It's tough to get criticism about stuff I could've fixed if I had more resources, but I'm just an individual and I need to be less harsh on myself. Thanks for the video! Very insightful!
Great Video! I’ve currently been struggling to write my senior thesis film for a lot of the reasons mentioned in the first part of the video. I just feel like this is my last chance to make something without having to take out hefty loans and don’t want to f*** it up. So, I’ve sort of been fighting my brain by asking if my ideas would appeal to a wide audience while still being unique enough to stand on their own and being doable with the time I have left at university. I feel this video did a great job at recognizing these sorts of issues and putting them into perspective.
I've commissioned a handful different artists cause I was curious to see others take on the character I recently came up with.
I agree 101% with you on this , this commercialisation of people’s art styles is just absurd, if it’s how it’s displayed, designed or being digitised or traditional, I would suggest using Canva when promoting your artwork with the public or convention goers as they will want to buy more of your artwork for their own private viewing, I used it to promote two of my college films , this is very interesting, I also love Sanrio especially cinnamoroll ❤ also have you seen Ruby Gillman teenage Kraken i here it’s quite interesting, love your work Fiona
Corporate art and it's direction is heading into a boiling point. It will fall over and new creative ideas and experiment begins. Just like instinct to fight, creativity isn't something you can bottle up. The more you try, the harder it will fight back. We see this throughout history.
Now, I'm actually a bit confused. When I hear art style, I generally think of it a style a person can craft a world view. Like a lens, everything you can see in that world is possible.
Just take a look in teen titans, TMNT, code lyoko, kids next door, code geass, fma and Mha. Each one have it's own style and yet they didn't used the excuse of "it doesn't fit in my style". Of course it doesn't, you have to make it within your style, which will result alot of work.
While you aren't obligated to experiment outside of your zone. You never know what else you add into your skills. An advice from a fashion designer told me once. "You never get a dress that will be like by all, conversely. There won't be one that will be 100% hated. These fashion shows takes the pieces we do like and leave the ones we don't. In art, you have to see it as a whole and it's individual pieces."
This was something that's been happening to me for the past couple of months it was difficult finding a unique art style for myself. I always loved both realism and stylized art and I've been trying figure out how to blend the two by using my favorite artists as reference but it's hard for to stay motivated because I would always how worry about people would react to my art for example I mostly draw male characters so it's more difficult to draw for me to draw women because I was more comfortable with drawing the male anatomy I want to draw female characters but they never look as the men in my art.
9:20 i can relate with that heading
That is indeed something I should think about, since I plan to make my characters into video game characters.
Something I’ve noticed after over a decade in a specific section of the art community is that an artist will become popular to commission and suddenly 20 other people are mimicking said style (I can only assume to appeal to the original artists market.) I think it makes sense and is natural to mimic parts of styles that you really like, but watching a group of people jump from style to style based on what’s “popular” at the time is disheartening. Not only is it demolishing creativity in an already niche field, but it’s starting to set a weird standard.
I have quite a few artstyles (depending on the project and my mood etc) but I always love challenging myself to get out of my comfort zone to try and put diversity in, be it in body-type or disability aids or i don't know what. I honestly can't imagine *not* experimenting, like sure, i might get some stuff wrong or have it look a bit eeird but who cares! I drew something i enjoyed making and have learned from it. Bjt yeah may be just me
doesnt junji ito have a slice of life piece though...?
yeah he has a short manga about him and his cats. it's hilarious because he still draws it like his horror manga with the expressions.
The way I see it is simple, I do what I want to do because I want to do it, no random person has any say in what I do unless they are the government or paying me. I think that everyone has the same rights and if someone want to only draw a ball of yarn they are just as entitled as the person drawing doing eveything and the kitchen sink.
Is it better of you can draw more? Yeah sure. Is it required? Depends do you want it for some reason. Does anyone have the right to demand and demean you for not drawing how they want? Oh hell no.
If someone says their style is not "X", okay then I'll ask someone else. I am not going to sit there and say they are a horrible person for it. Yet a lot of the art community is set on using mob violence to bully people because said artist went "I don't like that", "I can't draw that", or even "I don't want to draw that".
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P.S. If you are over there making your stuff good for you, glad that you are happy. Now don't come over here and yell at me because I am not doing the same thing you are.
Thank you, this video answered a lot of my questions!
As a non-leftist, my opinion likely isn't valued here, but PoC is indistinguishable PoC as a spoken/written phrase. A lot of your piers are using BIPOC, but just saying the mouthful also avoids the problem. And the phrase itself follows D&D's naming convention to avoid a couplet we both acknowledge as racist.
As for AI, my biggest problem with it is that the average poster just dumps dozens of photos *with the artifacts of the AI still in them*. They absolutely drown every artist in the feed, every person who put in hard work and dedication, every person who actually added beauty to this world, and don't even put in the effort to learn Photoshop or GIMP to do it.
Have you seen the movie Nimona
This is a little bit funny, because this conversation isn't exactly new, and doesn't inherently have anything to do with late-stage capitalism - even the Renaissance masters had to contend with art's relationship to power and, well, every last one of them was a "sellout." The masterworks of ages past were, for the most part, expensive commissions by kings, bankers, and churches, and countless visionary artists, musicians etc. have been long-forgotten by time because they simply didn't make money.
So, I dunno Fiona, you make some good points but maybe this is me telling you to take a nap.
My advice to artists would be that no matter how insignificant we may feel, the work of the artist, the musician and the writer can either reinforce or define the dominant culture of our time. As creatives it is our sacred duty to do the former only as much as we must, and the latter as much as we can. We can never know the full impact our work will have on the world, but we are all equally responsible for it nonetheless. So paint that gay shit and fuck the haters because you're the one we need, you know?
I wanted to get into the art industry before all this nonsense, i knew things would be hard and the market is oversaturated but I figured that with time and some courses I could maybe in a handful of years get to a place where I can at least do commissions, I spent a lot of time debating the point of it all with AI being developed to such a degree, now I'm doing art just because it was that one light at the end of the tunnel that kept me going, its one of my last remaining life lines and I decided to not let go, whatever happens in the future for me I'm still going to push, I have not much else going on and the halls are closing in, I wish the best of luck to the rest of you.
I can also really understand that an artist don't wanna dip their toes into "minorities they are not a part of" waters. It can easily go sideways so that they get accused of cultural appropriation, insensitive depiction ect.
A queer disabled person I have known since early childhood and have a lot of respect for, tend to write rather angry pieces in a national newspaper about ablebodied actors playing disabled roles, or straight actors playing queer roles...
Its a minefield I can't really blame a small independant artist to want to avoid. Shitstorms can be overwhelming and unpredictable
Haven't watched yet, but...
I'm. I really do want to make fat OCs, but my artstyle is based off of Panty & Stockings, and the Puyo Tetris artstyle. And their fat characters, are basically joke characters
So for me. It's more of a "in order not to offend anyone, I'm not going to attempt it"
Which, is not good. I know
The only possible way you can make them into joke characters is by making them the butt of any fat joke or having being fat their entire personality, such as putting them in visually ill-fitting clothes to exaggerate their weight or depicting them eating all the time. Literally just don't do those and you'll be fine
If you're tired, yeah go take a nice nap! :D
HOT TAKE :Never use anime as reference if you are leaning how to draw the human body, that's a big mistake (that doesn't mean that should stop drawing anime). Even if your art style is extreme stylized , you should learn the basics (anatomy )and how to simplify them first . The same applies to toon etc
the real way to learn is to doodle in your math book during class and then get so into drawing that you go back to LEARN the basics, while still keeping the lessons you learned just by experimenting with you, at least that’s how most great artists I know learned.
@@callmeaprilroseorisha404 . I'm pretty sure you're still in High school . It's import to practice creative both thing shouldn't be exclusive . Learning the art fundamentals will improve your OCS.
Your profile picture is cute
"Never use anime as a reference"
Me who learned how to draw male anatomy from JJBA : 🧍♀️
@@sanguineschnoz My comment attracted the annoying weebs , yikes
@@thisusserisacatchill out, just say you don’t like anime.
All art is beautiful in its own away
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There is exception lets not get into that
Go take a nap hun! We’ll be here!
3:46 I would argue that personally I think more people dislike ai art because of the fact that it isn't generating the images on its own. That is to say that ai is grabbing a bunch of pieces of art without permission from a lot of creators and jamming them together. Whether or not it's soulless can only mean so much because then you have a whole definition of what even is art and honestly that just goes in circles. I'm sure a lot of people definitely find it soulless, and I would absolutely prefer art that is created by a person since it is more likely to have a coherent intentional or unintentional meaning to dissect so I'm not disputing that point. Actually, if anything I would argue that there's definitely a world where ai art could exist and I don't find it inherently evil or bad. However, that would require a major overhaul in how people use it, and putting more emphasis on respecting the boundaries of artists and workers when it comes to both gathering the art for the programs and how/when it is used. Also, the whole soulless argument can only take you so far. Also, ai struggles to make newer and fresher things since for the most part it can only rip from stuff it has referenced. Also, frankly it's overhyped as fuck and it's not the next singularity that some people make it out to be. Some ai drawings have gotten disturbingly convincing if you gloss over it but if you are paying attention, it usually becomes apparent due to a lack of artistic intent or weird mistakes and discrepancies. Also, ai videos frankly look uncanny rn. I would the term "ai" itself in this specific instance feels like a bit of a disingenuous name in order to hype it up and sound better than it actually is.
When it comes to drawing poc on one hand yeah, I can't force you to draw anything and I'm not going to sit around forcing you to draw something. If I realize that you're not going to draw poc I'm just leaving and going to support someone who does. However, I would be lying if I said that it doesn't sting at least a little bit because to me personally it feels disingenuous or hypocritical in most cases. People say things like "poc are hard to draw" but the truth is I don't think any poc are actually any harder to draw than any other kind of human it's just that drawing HUMANS is hard and learning how to draw more kinds of people in general is hard. When I used to draw pale skin and white people it used to end up weird, sickly and unintentionally yellowy and I know that's the case for a lot of other people so that's why I personally often get annoyed when people aren't willing to put in even a modicum of that kind of effort, work or motivation for other things like certain poc for example. Also, frankly being able to draw a wider variety of people opens up more opportunities in most cases since you at least have the option to do so if someone asks (or at the very least potentially draws in a larger audience if that's your motivator. I mean at a certain point I would argue one should do it to improve as an artist, but I know not everyone cares about that) and on top of that it can help make things like character designs more distinct and separate. I mean everyone has a comfort zone and I don't think forcing yourself to be out of your comfort zone 24/7 is mentally healthy but at the same time I think if you want to be the best artist you can be you do have to step out of it sometimes, at least on occasion.
"It's not a style if you can't draw everything in that style."
Personally, I dont really like, drawing only in one style. I love to jump arround between realism, semi realism and cartoony looking things. And hack, Mark Crilley made a name for him self, without keeping one speciffic style. And still, these days, you hear so often, that having a specific style, is so important, if you want to turn your art into a buisunes. So, everyone is drawing themselfs into a corner and creating certian expactations for their viewers. (Sorry for the spelling mistakes. My correction program is somehow turned off)
What animated series were deleted from streaming?
Speaking of art style, your drawn character reminds me a lot of Saria from Ocarina of time🤔 could be just a coincidence but I think it's cool
For part 2:
Ladies and gentlemen, gays, humans, and refrigerators, this is why you must learn how to draw before stylysing your work. That's why many professional artists keep saying "It just comes naturally" YOU CANT BREAK A GOD DAM RULE IF YOU DONT KNOW ANY OF THE RULES IN THE 1ST PLACE. This might sound abit too much and yes some artstyles can get away without learning how to draw proper face or body anatomy but still, you should atleast try to learn these things before you start stylysing. A simple mistake i see so many beginners make, STOP SKIPPING THE FUNDAMENTALS‼️ Take it slow man.
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The only issue of capitalism are the masses being dumb af and not seeing value in originality, companies realise that attempts to makes something new often ends in failure and decide it's not worth it.
I'm not going to tell you to take a nap because I don't know your sleep needs at the moment you read this, but everyone needs to drink some water when they read this comment.
I don't think it's the artists job to show diversity. Diversity is created by a myriad of works from different artists each showing something different with different people. Forcing a single artwork to show every side of humanity leads to the mediocrity we have from netflix and disney now, where the focus of the piece leaves the story for a focus in diversity. It's like nutrition, not everything needs to be at the same plate, and not every restaurant will serve you all types of food.
Some artists just want to draw furry loli, and that's ok, they don't have to diversify for the sake of diversity. Same goes for the people that just draw BL or just thin skinny barbies. It's their world they're creating and their time they spend, and no one should tell them differently.
I agree about furries, but... do you know what loli means? Drawing that is far away from being ok. I genuinely hope you mistaked it for anthro yiff or something close to that term.
This completely. People shouldn’t have to draw that shit and should be able to draw what they want
why so smug in da thumbnail
Impersonating smug people
@@Fionapollo genius!
get rest
Snooooooore...mimimimimimi...💤
@@Fionapollo good job, I'm proud of you.
As an artist, i do try to draw more than just thin body types, im not very good at it but i do try, but when i draw humans i typically do not draw people of color, it makes me uncomfortable not because i dislike them or find them bad, but because Im white, i do not understand their styles, which is typically associated with their clothing choices, while i dont understand i do still attempt to get better at it, but until i feel confident my art and style is properly adjusted/figured out, i wont post it. I dont know if i worded it right, but i hope people understand this. Im hoping after more studies of references and stuff will help me.
People: Vivzie doesn’t draw fat characters
Mimzy: I AM RIGHT HERE!!!!!!
Claim your here within in a hour ticket here posted after watching video
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To be fair regarding the not taking comms regarding someone oc if it includes characteristics you aren't accostumed to draw, I personally wouldn't do it because It feels gross to take money if I cannot do something. People characters deserve love and to be drawn correctly, If i don't know how to draw wheelchair, unless it was a bust, I wouldn't take money for a commission for it.
"... Overall, I'm just frustrated with how things are right now..."
You and everyone on planet Earth not a rich person.
Something not being drawn because "it's not their style" IS a valid response for not drawing stuff they don't want solely because they're not obligated to draw things they like/don't want. An artists doesn't owe anyone an explanation to why they don't draw certain groups. And you can't just tell an artist to "make it work in your style" either, as whether something fits an artstyle is subjective and it's not anyone's place to tell an artist they're wrong for not thinking something looks good in their style.
I think the real issue is expecting justification on something that doesn't need to be justified. If people didn't find "it doesn't suit my artstyle" as a good enough answer, then I highly doubt they'll take "I don't want to" or "I have no interest in drawing that" any better. Also, if the artist isn't answering the question honestly, that's their right too.
Go take a nap
I honestly don't make fat ocs often because of fat fetish artists
Any time I hear that specific phrase my mind immediately snaps to the Joker holding the phone saying "I'd like to commission a weight LOSS comic"
@@DWN037honestly that skit is hilarious
You can't really avoid that tbh, people will fetishise anything. You just have to learn how to ignore them & focus on how you want to portray stuff, not how weirdos might interpret it
@@Fionapollo Both yes and no on that. I learned over time if you keep drawing alot of one thing it brings in people who want to see alot of that one thing, and will take advantage when they know that you can't see their alternative motives. Sure I can "ignore the weirdos" but that only works when they are being blatant about it.
@@Fionapollo Ontop of that later, art is my hobby and what I do for my free time, and I just really don't want to deal with weirdos popping up in my socials. I get enough irl weirdos to deal with. Like it would be different if art was my career and I have to get a wide enough audience as possible, but I honestly do think expectations for professional artists should be put on those who just do stuff for hobby
"i can't draw that in my artstyle"
the concept of mastering your style: 🧍