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"I'd rather be burned alive than fight under the Targaryen family I originally and loyally served. Instead I'll fight for the people that ransacked my kingdom and killed the Tyrells" -The Tarlys apparantley.
Stupid writing
Idk what else you'd expect from a guy like this after hearing how Sam ended up at the wall.
Well, it's better than a generational family in the sick.
The Tarlys don't give a shit about the Tyrells lol. most of Tyrell's vassals would betray them in a second if they see fit
@@DPedro3 where did u read this?
What bothers me is Tyrion doesn't even try to counter Randyll's accusations. Moreover, according to what I've seen, House Tarly were Targaryen loyalists, meaning this whole thing with him not recognizing Daenerys as a born and bred Targaryen is just another layer of poor writing and rushed storytelling.
yup
Tyryon would sound as making excuse and she is born a targarian but isn't raise at westeros and come back with an army of slave which is badly view and savages plus i am not sure that lore is expressed in got just in asoiaf
@@dumbidea1007 I usually assume Randyll Tarly knows next to nothing about the workings of Essoss, including the unsullied. For the rest of the argument, I am willing to accept that. Still, just seems like a lazy resolution to him and his son's character.
He recognizes Daenerys as a Targaryen, he just doesn’t recognize her as a person of Westeros. He would most likely join her if she arrived with her dragons only, she brought the Dothraki as well which was a huge dealbreaker for him.
It’s like the greatjon umber backing Ramsay in battle of the bastards against the wildlings, despite being a stark staunch loyalist. I think in both cases it probably makes sense because they are both loyalists who flipped allegiances because their liege lord is backed by “savages”. I wonder how GRRM will write these because while i think they make sense to some extent, GRRM will greatly improve it
Weird character butchery and unbelievably stupid actions by the Tarly’s. Randyl Tarly literally fought for Daenerys father and won one of the greatest victories for him. He nearly stopped the bloody rebellion. The fact that didn’t come up here is insanely stupid. Randyl also letting his son end his family line with only a “No” is unbelievable as well
Lesson learned from this and other parts - you need to balance between honor and life and other bigger things.
End his family line? Isnt Samwell a Tarly?
@@nothingmatters6026 yeah but he is now part of the watch which means he has recounted all claims and titles and supposedly taken a vow of celibacy
@@matthewjohnson3656 wasnt Gilly pregnant after The Great War the last time we saw her at the Winterfell?
Yeah, isn't it stated that House Tarly sided with the Targareans, and Stannis says that the only battle Robert ever lost was against Randyll Tarly at the battle of ashford
"No ties to this land"
Randyll suddenly forgetting that she's a Targaryen and that his house were Targaryen loyalists.
Just like Tyrion forgot that Olena was a lady not a queen. Cercei was their queen since Robert married her
@@originaler31er67 It could be argued that Tyrion meant the deceased Margaery Tyrell. Olenna was clearly rebelling to avenge her.
"The Tarlys kinda forgot"
@@originaler31er67 he was talking about queen Margaery, not Olenna
@@raiusdaltar1483 underrated comment
"No ties to this land"
Her family literally ruled Westeros for almost 300 years. Not to mention the Tarlys were on the side of the Targaryens during Robert's rebellion.
Stupid writing does that
Her family ruled Westeros for 300 years, before this battle the most Daenerys had ever seen of Westeros was Dragonstone, literally a drop in the ocean. She may have been born in Westeros but that doesn't make her Westerosi.
The Tarlys were not loyal to the Targaryens, they were loyal to the Crown. The Targaryens ruled not by divine right but by right of conquest, 300 years ago Aegon proved they were powerful enough to rule Westeros, 30 years ago Robert Baratheon proved they weren't.
@@kartingkid43Exactly!
@@kartingkid43not born nor raised in Westeros but raised like a Westerosi by Westerosi knights (Willem Darry and Jorah Mormont). More than that, raised as a Westerosi *highborn*, just like lord Tarly. These two have more in common amongst themselves than with 99% of the population in Westeros: code of honor, aristocratic culture, belief in personal loyalty to Houses with sigils, the right of conquest (which Dany is proving in front of his face), and other warrior-like values, they speak the exact same language and use the same type of titles... the argument of Dany being a foreigner falls apart as soon as they interact just a little. The idea of "nah you weren't born and raised here" doesn't apply for highborns who are born and raised and travel across many different territories. Plus Cersei is a Lannister of the Westerlands, a close neighbor and direct territorial rival to the Tarlys now that the Tyrells are gone, while Daenerys as Queen would seat in King's Landing, far away from the Tarly seat at Hornhill... or Highgarden. Randylm pledging fealty to Daenerys could be rewarded by her raising the Tarly house to the status of Lords of Highgarden and Wardens of the South, just like how the conquering Targaryen from 300 years ago raised the Tyrells into that same position after they killed the Gardners of Highgarden in battle by burning them alive with their dragons. Exact same situation. Tarly has everything to gain and nothing to lose (not even his honor). There is literally no reason for Tarly to be so stubborn... not even the "savage army" thing. Cersei and Stannis (to whom Lord Tarly had sworn fealty) had hired sellswords from Essos, guys who fight only for the highest bidder for as long the war lasts, unlike the Dothraki and Unsullied who have a blood oath to Daenerys and would fight to the death for her - more Westerosi-like honor than the foreign sellswords of the other kings Tarly swore allegiance to. Again, no reason for Tarly's stubbornness... just bad writing from guys who paid zero attention and respect to the source material.
Whoever wrote this shit did not even read the book..
when she says "I'm not beheading anyone." That's one deadly sentence.
They made their choice and she will burn them instead.
What did old ned say?
@@brandonfoley7519 “the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword”
These two dudes were probably the last two good scriptwriters of the show
😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL
No really everything went downhill after this moment
@@Lebby-lc9co that's what he saying
I always liked how Randal nodded to his son to bend the knee to her, it proves he wanted his house to survive.
A father wants his son to survive, amazing. Good that they showed that nod, otherwise you wouldn't have any idea.
It did survive...just not with the son he preferred.
The showrunners kinda forgot that the Tarly's were Targaryen loyalists
Dickon Tarly actually survived the flames, and then went to the moon with a gorilla’s body.
Thought he ended up as a pirate in Black Sails.
Actually, he was last seen in a weird mansion claiming to be Albert Wesker (and nobody believed that)
I’m definitely missing something here 😂
@@mensrea1251 Umbrella Academy
@@fazlee712 Thanks I see now. I don’t follow that show, but the comment still sounded funny as hell lol
Interesting to note that Tarlys ancestors were once foreign invaders, and Daenerys was indeed born in Westeros but was taken away from the country to save her from being murdered by the oath breaking father of the woman who he currently calls queen who fathered bastard children with her oath breaking king slayer brother. So yes Tarlys allegiances are indeed very flexible.
Exactly! Makes no sense
"She wasn't born in Westeros and has nothing to do with it"
My guy she literally was a child of the King born in Kings Landing who were betrayed, albeit justifiably, by the Lannisters
@@austinglaze5415 The Lannister didn't kill him cause he was mad, he was killed so the Lannisters could take over. OTHERWISE, the Targareyn Brother that wore the Golden Crown would have been supported.
@@austinglaze5415 she was born on dragon stone
I was thinking that as well. Showrunners can’t even remember the lore in their own show trade everything for a punch line. Reality is final season is what was supposed to be 6 seasons worth of lore compressed into each episode.
@@patrickgrant6389 Dragonstone is still in Westeros
I hate how Tyrion became such a failure as a Hand.
You should read the books, then you’d see Tyrion was nothing like he was in the TV show.
@@khure711 book Tyrion has nothing to do with how TV writers ruined *this* one.
Not as big a failure as D&D as showrunners.
He was nerfed to move this silly mad queen plot line.
Peter Dinklage was utterly wasted once he joined Queen D.
Thanks, D&D. For nothing.
I shed a tear when Daenerys said “It’s Targaryen Time!”
And then Drogon followed up and Drogon’d over everyone. Then Tyrion said, “wow, you really were the Game of Thrones.”
Truly one of the moments of the show.
So powerful. Even my pet mice stood up and clapped, with tears in their eyes.
Pissed me off that Tyrion wanted mercy. Cersei had ended the tyrell line, ended the sand snakes, and pretty much controlled the iron islands. This is war time. Not politics time.
I morbed.
@@xQnKx Remember what Ned said? "The man that passes the sentence should swing the sword". Daenerys passed the sentence, she sentenced them to die, but she didn't swing the sword, she made her pet burn them. This was a loud and clear sign that Daenerys was not worthy of the iron throne.
A lot of fans see this as the beginning of Daenerys going mad. But she did give them a chance to kneel and save themselves. How many prisoners didn't even get than much from Tywin Lannister, The Mountain, Roose Bolton, Ramsey Bolton, and others? For this world she was about as merciful as could be expected.
Well Tywin actually did stop his men from killing prisoners and had them put to work. He made Arya his cup bearer. As for the others I mean the mountain and the boltons are an incredibly extremely low bar.
You know it's bad when your argument is, "but at least she was better than Ramsay Bolton!"
She was a mad queen long before that, when she had the slavers crucified. But this was just the icing on the cake in her transformation into a monster just like her father. And then she topped it all off at King's Landing. Disgusting Mad Queen.
@@andrewburnes7648 Still true though
@@shadowxps Meanwhile all Reynes, Tarberks, young and old are all dead because they laughed a lot and someone couldn't stand it.
“Say what you will about your sister but she was born in Westeros and lived here all her life. So when she blew up sept and murdered hundreds of innocents she did it on her own soil.”
I love how gentle her voice sounds when says “Step forward my lord. You will not kneel?” :)
"I'm not beheading anyone" :)
@@sofaericsson6392No because I was simping for her because her voice was so soothing when she said that 😭
So many people have said that this is where Dany first began her "madness".
I just saw it at the time that she felt she had to do the regrettable task of being a hard-ass and making an example of them to show she meant business.
War is hell.
The madness is in the method
That's the only way they can justify how crappy the writing got
“One with no ties to this land”
She was born there and her ancestors have ruled it for centuries… and their house was loyal to them for those centuries…
"There are NO easy choices in war."
Sad, But True.
But this WAS an easy choice. The Tarlys were close to the Tyrells (who Cersei murdered) and had served the Targeryans in the past (as recently as Robert's Rebellion). It makes no sense why they would choose the Lannisters. Zero sense at all.
That tiny little smile of pride in Randall’s face as Dickon says “I will not” is really well acted.
Father like son.
I don’t even think he smiled. I think Dickon’s refusal to kneel disappointed him. Particularly because not only does he KNOW House Tarly is going to live on through Sam: the son he so callously denies out of hatred, but the one he gave power to, is now about to throw it away to follow his father’s needless pride.
Thought I was the only one who saw that
This show really is a masterclass on how not to end your story. What an illogical mess.
No matter how many dragons we get introduced to in HOTD Drogon will always be my favourite 😭😭❤️
I like Vhagar the most
@@akeemguy1857 Caraxes is the goodest boi
@@matthiasnowacki2571 caraxes is Daemond's right?
I like the bond they have 💯
Cannibal is my fav, every Dragon and Targaryen is afraid of him
None of the dragons of HOTD have the beauty and powerful presence of Drogon, even Drogon's roaring is superior.
For many who said that she was a tyrant, this was war. This was not your average play with your friends next door. She was right to give them choices. Aegon the Conqueror was known for being merciful to those who bent their knees, and ruthless to those who chose not to.
Many see it as different because she is a woman. Thats literally the only reason. Many believe jon snow has a right even though he is a bastard and his parents marriage wasnt legit because rhaegal was already married.
@@Cool_beansmh Rhaegar was married to Elia at that time, but he had it annulled so that he could marry Lyanna. So technically he wasn't a bastard (according to the show, since his parentage remains unclear in the source material). Yes at that time Westeros was soo outdated compared to Essos and the rest of the free cities, Dorne included, who still prefer c*ck above c*nt while so many c*cks are actually c*nts.
She said she didnt come to put men in chains. Because if she put men in chains (pows), she had to feed them. Why should she feed people who were one day might rose in rebellion.
Some ppl just too accustomed to pillow fight they failed to see logics in war.
But I think the problem is that this is a strange step for Danerys to take so early.
For most of the show, she was shown to be cunning, but not necessarily ruthless. Burning the Tarlys would create fear, yes, but it would also be a compelling argument against joining Danny: an outside invader who brutally executes anyone who opposes her it little better than a cunning queen who murders anyone who opposes her.
@@Cool_beansmh - wrong, the marriage to Elia was annuled and Rhaegal is a dragon, Rhaegar is the prince
@@Cool_beansmh oh yeah that’s gotta be the ONLY reason, is because she’s a woman. I mean cmon, really?? Where do y’all pull this horseshit from? Just need to feel offended in every which way imaginable.
While it was a bold move, danaerys needed to prove that she was serious about the choice she put before them, when they saw the tarlys burned is when the rest realised she was definitely serious.
She only burned two men either way, she could’ve burned every single one and not given them a choice at all.
Reminds me of the Dialogue from Dracula Untold - "By putting one village to stake , I spared 10 more. Sometimes the world no longer needs a hero , it needs a monster"
@@keysersoze9651 yeah, i do feel like she could’ve spared randals son but either way.
@@unicornsprinkles3103 he made his choice.
@@hemi4722 he did and he insulted her on top of that. I feel like she should’ve spared his son Dickon but definitely right to burn Randal
That look she has as she stares at everyone cowering in fear after the two men burn alive tells you everything about her. She's a monster underneath. It's about control. The peasants cowering in fear of her delusional entitlement. Emilia Clarke did her best trying to convey the dark descent of the character but fans kept excusing every sinister choice she makes.
This is not her going "mad". This is war, and the simple fact that she gave them a choice makes her better then 99% of the rest of the commanders in GOT. But she could not show weakness once they refused her offer. She acted like a true commander: harsh, but fair.
Exactly 💯
100%
LOUDERRR 📣📣📣
Exactly, madness came much later
I’d argue this is her showing her YOUTH. Tyrion explained to her that the boy is being stupid and doesn’t understand the consequences of losing an important family name. The dad accepted his fate but the son didn’t need to die. Imprisonment would have been fine.
"There are no easy choices in war, except the choice to eliminate a plot thread that we have no idea what to do with, so I'm going to irrationally and stubbornly refuse to do anything logical or story-consistent."
Hate them all you want, the Tarlys had balls of valyrian steel.
Having balls is knowing when to hold ‘em and when to fold em.
And brains of thick valyrian steel too.
That is plain stupidity.
Fully agree. But, still there is something called tactic retreat which allows to counter-attack or take revenge. Dying is a game-over.
@@elpublicador, they knew they couldnt defeat the dragons. Not much to tacticlly retreat from. They died for with honor, instead of bending the knee to someone they found unworthy. Sorry, but that is badass.
I don't see anything wrong with what she did here. They were at war and she gave them a choice to join her but they refused. She remained composed despite the insults he was hurling at her. She was going to take up Tyrion's idea to send them to the Wall but again they refused. They signed their own death sentence. She gave them both a quick and honourable death as knights of the realm. She executed them the traditional Targaryen way. That's all. She didn't torture them needlessly. She had dragons after all, so why shouldn't she use them? Was she supposed to put them on display at the zoo instead?
Taking them prisoner was out of the question. Dragonstone was too far away. Her only option would have been to fly them there on her own on an already injured Drogon and risk getting herself murdered.
I mean... i can see their point of refusing the wall... as Randyll said: She isn't his queen (Read: Queen of Westeros)... nor is she a Lady of Westeros. So by law... she couldn't have sent them to the wall anyways.... so that was dumb writing in itself.
@@nickdentoom1173 She may not be the official queen yet at this point, but she certainly had a strong claim to the Iron Throne. After all wasn't Robert Baratheon chosen to become king because of his blood ties to the Targaryens? Dany's father was literally the King of Westeros. I would get it if she was the great great grand niece of Aerys or something so far removed from him. But she's literally his daughter! And she bears all the physical traits of a Targaryen, if there was any doubt about her parentage. Her family's throne was usurped and she had no choice but to flee Westeros with her brother as an infant. It's not her fault that she had to grow up in exile. So the fact that the people would blatantly call her a "foreigner" is just plain rude. I'm glad she roasted all their asses. She sacrificed so much for them - literally all of her closest and most trusted companions as well as 2 of her dragons and half her entire army and they still rejected her. I'd fucking burn the whole realm too.
@@s_shaleh No, Robert Baratheon was the rightful king due to Conquest... which is a bigger basis for a claim than Daenarys had at that point.
I think it’s because nowadays we would consider killing soldiers who surrendered as a war crime
Sure they didn’t pledge loyalty, but most prisoner of wars wouldn’t do that
Yeah the sharp change to modern ideals in later seasons was so baffling, like she killed people who murdered and robbed her subjects after they spat on her mercy. So frigging what? That's literally what all lords do in ASOIAF but apparently this is a 'sign' she's crazy like wtf guess Ned was insane too when his opening scene was him beheading that deserter
He didn't die because he refused to bend the knee. He died because he refused to go to The Wall, the option that literally exists so that people can do good even after they've been on the wrong side...
good insight
Being banished to the nights watch isn't seen as a good thing, banishment is bad for your legacy, if randyl and his son did not die the way they wanted to, they wouldn't have been seen as great men in the history books which they are now seen as.
You know she claimed to not put people in chains but fear is it’s own set of shackles was obvious where she was gonna end up
Exactly. The signs were all there since the beginning. She was a psychotic queen.
Everyone she took chains off of willfully sought those chains return. Everything she did ended in objective failure, even in victory. She ascended the throne just long enough to die for it, because her sense of entitlement was stronger than her sense of morality.
Exactly what I was thinking OP.
If the last seasons kept their episode counts, a lot of Denaerys' actions even the ending would have made sense. D&D greed ruined one of the best shows in history.
@@notsure1350 uhh no. We already know that Varis was spreading out the truth of Jon's birth. They would've rebelled against her anyways
" Bend the knee" The phrase is so popular.
He went from being the hot Tarly to the flame grilled Tarly 😢
Tarly Toast!
Love Dragon's roar at the start, mommy's biggest and goodest boy saying "She told you to KNEEL"
Good. Don't let the awful writing distract you from the CGI dragon.
What is he talking about? Her father was king of the seven kingdoms…. No ties to this land ok
Exactly. Like Tyrion said “your loyalties are quite flexible” All of a sudden he’s ten toes down for a woman that blew up a church full of ppl 😂
I'm pretty sure it was the whole bringing a foreign army thing. She arrived with an army of people with no ties to the land putting her motives in to question its not much of a leap to see her the same way. It might have been different if she had started a movement with the people of westros.
@@ambushbob5383 Cersei had the golden company from Essos…. Educate yourself before replying
@@David-lq8cx but we arnt talking about cersei are we.
@@endangeredspecies8441 Cersei literally did what the mad king was going to do before Jaime killed him and the Taryls are totally down with it.
And the sweet and loving Daenarys turns to the DARK side of the force.... I hear Palpatines voice... "good..... good"
She just kinda forgot she wasn't evil. Ya know?
Drogon really said "ON YOUR KNEES, YOU PATHETIC PEASENTS! YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO MOMMY!"
N they did 🤸🏽♀️✨
You dont need to put someone in physical chains to make them a slave - fear does that perfectly well.
So doesn't dependence.
So doesn't dependence.
fear and pain are good teachers, id have left the oldman alive but killed his son and the rest of his army save one. Once I saw him broken then he would die, the last survivor of the army would be set loose to tell the story. Some would fight back still but others would be afraid and cowar before me.
Yeah - or a blast of dragon fire
@@BlueVenom9 All that story would tell is that you don't leave survivors. The idea is to gain any who will follow, not back everyone into a corner so they fight even harder knowing there is no other option than win or die. Killing those at the head is enough.
Fear and pain teach, but so does mercy. They're needed in balance. It's about the lessons you want to impart and knowing when to put your foot down versus letting it ease.
Am I the only one who thinks Dickon was a dumbass for not bending the knee?
No, you're not the only one. He was all his House had left and he decided to practically killed himself. So dumb.
Really dumb. He should have survived and then seek revenge.
Dumbass in GOT, dumbass in Umbrella academy 😂
*rickon
@@flisko123 No, it's Dickon. See: ruclips.net/video/q0OmcFpvvF8/видео.html
A fate worse than death for the Tarly house would have been banishment. Death in war brings honor to a house but exile after loss forever shames the family name. I wish she had heard him out.
I think Daenarys Targaryen, who grew up in exile and returned to wreak fiery vengeance would understand the foolishness of banishment.
@@MrJaspett I honestly doubt the Tarlys would return with dragon's. And her and her brother weren't even exiled. They fled with the notion of reclaiming the throne one day. That's why the Mourmont was spying on them and when the king ordered her to be assassinated because of the rage and fear that she may gain an army from pregnancy
@@nymbus4376 Doesn't matter if they're smuggled out, exiled, banished, taking a gap year or whatever method results in them being alive and out of reach. They're out there, plotting trouble for you. Just kill them. Daenarys understands this. A dead House makes no plots, no matter how "honorable".
And yet Sam never bore any ill will towards her. Even going as far as giving his family sword to Mourmont. Daenarys even regretted it a little when she met Sam. It was the wrong call and the first step in becoming her father. Something she swore would never happen and she ordered Tyrion to keep in check. She let pride blind her judgment and her hands wisdom and insight.
@@nymbus4376 It's more crap writing really, but I imagine they thought Sam the cowardly pacifist bookworm wouldn't bear any ill will to the woman killing the family that hated him, disowned him and sent him to the Wall. The entire story of the GoT is one of vengeance by enemies left alive. The woman killing her enemies was the one that got away and came back for revenge. Time and again in the history of Westeros mercifully sending enemies away results in trouble for the merciful.
doesn't really make any sense for Randall to suddeny becomes righteous, he literally betrayed the tyrell, I don't think it would make much difference if he switched side again. Although it was not openly stated I'm pretty sure he's aware about who really killed margeary.
He didn't betrayed anyone. He swore an oath to the crown. When the targaryens were kings, he fought for them against Robert baratheon. When they were deposed, despite his personal allegiances he kept his oath to the crown and served the baratheons. When the tyrells betrayed the baratheons for daenerys, he kept his oath to the crown despite their liege lord breaking their oath. He was always a man of honor
@@shadezero8661 the Tyrells betrayed the Lannisters. At this point there are no Baratheons left with a claim to the Iron Throne, just Cersei who has literally no claim to it. The fact that ANYONE supported Cersei besides the Lannisters and their lesser houses is insane.
@@ethanpitts1184 wrong. The baratheon children of Robert were never delegitimized so they were still recognized as actual heirs. Taking that into account here is the line of succession.
Robert > Joffrey > Tommen > Stannis > Renly > myrcella (she will be expected to marry and her husband will be king regent and their son will be the official king)
After Myrcella it is Cersei.
Cersei is the true and rightful heir to the throne at this point in the story. However it is expected that she remarries and her husband becomes king regent. Then she'd be expected to have a child and that child would be the actual King. Thats how succession lines work in westeros. Cersei was the rightful queen and remember. Cersei lannister doesn't exist. Only Cersei baratheon does. Women join their husband's house and take on his last name.
@@shadezero8661 Queen consorts don’t take the surname of their husbands in Westeros, they keep their maiden name. That’s why Cersei is still a Lannister despite being married to a Baratheon, and therefore has no claim to the throne.
@@shadezero8661
There is no Oath to the crown only to the King
And the Tyrells did not betray the Baratheons, there existed none at this time
He broke his oath to the Tyrells and helped murder them
Yeah, she really nailed the whole "stable genius" bit.. when she says "I'm not beheading anyone." That's one deadly sentence..
I love how Randall basically forced her into killing him, refusing her authority. Smart to make her look like a maniac.
That is a weird definition of smart. He literally talked himself into a live cremation. 🔥
@@c.w.k.n.5117 he wasn't thinking of himself. he was thinking of the realm. maybe selfless is a better word
@@retro.raider It's usually better for your realm for you to live and fight another day.
To Tarly: You will bend the knee or ride for castle black. If you don’t, we’ll have a battle. And one day, you will lose and force you to stumble and you will be left to burn. Finally I’ll tell your son. Nothing would please me more.
I've failed to see the wisdom in this act. Some Westerosi's rulers, including "her queen" Cersei, showed to deal with their foes way worse.
I love how everyone who didn't take a knee immediately did after their lord and his son were incinerated to ash instantly. Life and death tend to be a good motivator for obedience
Probably literally felt the heat there too.
Not going to name any real life examples but it's powerful stuff
I watched this whole series and other than the closer it was a great series. The actors were all so very good and all of them were wonderfully convincing. But, in my opinion, Peter Dinklage outshone them all. He is just simply one of the best actors of our time.
he was the most important character in the book, at least top 3
He took a few peeps out of work tho
@@brendancarey-tb8eb I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean by that. Could you please explain
@@skydiver6711 its about him making a fuss about dwarfs being cast in Disney adaptation of Snow White, leading to them scrapping casting actual dwarf actors, leaving them without work, while dinklage sits on his fortune, made from being cast in part due to his dwarfism, being pompous.
Gotta give Dany kudos for sticking to her principles. She's always been about choices and she offers it to both her allies and her enemies. And really, how would it look if the Breaker of Chains was putting men in chains? Plus, why should she spare anyone who won't bend the knee to her?
that's your logic? why spare anyone who won't bend the knee? So... obey or die? Yeah, spoken like a true tyrant.
Tyranny is irrelevant. It's the logic of the victor. All that matters is winning. If you won't kneel, then yes you're better off dead.
@@donr4902 I mean, "obey or die" is basically the motto that this whole world is built on. You can call it tyrannical but you can't call it uniquely tyrannical. Even the most sympathetically portrayed rulers in this world maintain loyalty under the threat of death. Robb Stark beheaded one of his bannermen precisely for disobeying him. The man made some mistakes but I never got the impression that the show was trying to paint him as a tyrant.
@@donr4902 Times of war calls for drastic measures. So she should spare everyone who stands against her so they can turn around and stab her in the back? Like she said, she gave them a choice..and they made it. If it were opposite, her people wouldn't be spared either.
"I am the breaker of chains! Now if you'd be so kind as to put on these handcuffs and leg irons..."
Dany wasn’t entirely wrong here - if she gave imprisonment as an option more would take that to preserve their idea of honor. You can only take so many prisoners in situations like this.
Yeah a lot of prisoners who will eventually lead to a mutiny... The tarlys didn't want to be fake submissive and it broke my heart when Dickon saw how courageous his dad was and decided to join in his fate...
I'll hold the hand of the son I like but hunt down the one I don't. How honourable and charming.
How many of you are forgetting the man is an ass how he treated Sam. he betrayed Olenna Tyrell the minute he figured he could advance his own house.
That is why you and i among a few actually understand every level of the show. But no. Like every simple person they judge based on one side.
Yea he is 100% a traitor to his house. They blew up his liege lord and Queen in the Great Sept and now he's...fighting for them and betraying the Tyrells? He should be executed. Using this scene to say Daenerys is "mad" or a "tyrant" is justplain silly. She's executing traitors. They refuse to take the black
@@BlackDiamond2718 lol, why would he not betray again if he only wants to advance his house?
@@unluckygamer692 lannisters advanced their house through treachery too. How is this different…
Still better than a traitor that brings foreigners to invade your homeland while pretending she has any actual connection to the people of Westeros. They were later proven right when she brutally slaughtered her supposed people just because Jon wasn't down for incest.
They absolutely destroyed Tarlys character. Other comments have pointed out some of the issues but Tarly says Daenerys doesn't have ties to the seven kingdoms when her family literally conquered it, Tarly even served Daenerys father and went to war for him, having been the only man that drove off Robert Baratheons army during the rebellion. He also should have known that Daenerys was forced to flee during the same said war. Giving how quickly and easily he decided to serve Cersei, too, knowing who she is and what she did, him acting like he has honor or standards is highly ironic.
I kind of see his character refusing to join daenerys but his stated reasons for doing so are absolutely based.
I think "based" means the opposite of what you seem to think it means
@@jingyulee96 I "think" that you probably shouldn't think, then.
@@darkerdaemon7794 wdym lol
When you say the stated reasons behind Tarly not bending the knee is "based", you're saying you think those reasons are very reasonable. Which, clearly, is the exact opposite of what you intended to say.
Look up what the word means, if you don't trust me.
I agreed about what you were saying in your original comment, but way to be an ass about a simple mistake you made lol
Tarly stood with the blacks while Tyrell remained neutral doing the dance
@@darkerdaemon7794 he died for no reason, he had everything to gain and nothing to lose (not even his honor, he fought but was defeated, the victor offers a chance to join her now that she can claim right of conquest), he can even become the Lord of Highgarden and raise his House upward to be masters of the Reach and maybe even marry into royalty in a couple generations. But no, Dany is a foreigner because... she lived overseas? Nevermind she was raised by knights from Westeros and lives with a Westerosi mindset and values, nevermind Cersei and Stannis' mercenaries have less honor than the "savage" Dothraki and Unsullied who pledged their lives to their Queen instead of just a contract... nah, he's gonna die burnt by dragonfire like a (uselessly idiotic) based badass...This is why brains are better than brawn, every single time.
Sometimes … when I am making buns, I line the lumps of dough up on the kitchen table - like a wee army. I put the two most rebellious ones out front, hesitate for a beat, just for suspense, and then I snap out my Creme Brulee gas burner and go BAKEARYS!!!!
It's a small detail but Tyrion's face when Daenarys looked at the dragon. He's like, "seriously?"
An example of good actors doing what they can with shit material
This show had so much potential
No ties to this land? She was born on Dragonstone.
Dragonfire has a bit of magic in it to reduce them to ash so quickly.
pretty obvious when their literal existence in itself is magic
Randyll: I do not wanna bend the knee! I want to die.
Dickon: Me too!
Tyrion: No! You are the last Tarly! If you die your entire house dies with you!
Dickon: I don't care I have shitty name! I just want to die!
The music in this scene was awesome!!!!
This is one of few scenes where daenerys actions made sense, unfortunately the tarly's didnt, but had they done more of this kind of thing her ending up as a villain would have seemed much more natural.
Yeah, she really nailed the whole "stable genius" bit.
Drogon sounds like a fighter jet😂
Nothing like making an example of someone to get the rest to fall in line 😊
Don't know anything about the story, but she means what she says. I like her.
The problem with Dany when she gets to Westeros is she doesn't know anything really about the place, it's people, their systems and beliefs and rules. For instance, burning being outlawed after the Targaryens because understandably it's incredibly fucked up, Stannis is extremely controversial for that. So Dany comes, and she hasn't done herself favours already by bringing/allying with:
-The dothraki, the mongols of the middle ages world, brutal rapists, pillagers, slavers, things she claims to abhore, who are brutal and incredibly vicious, have no understanding or desire to live peacefully with others and look down on any other people, and only believe in their superiority. Meaning even if she does get the throne, no one will like her much for her vast Dothraki who will brutally murder, sack, raid etc the land during her conquest and then afterwards she will have the problem of trying to control them from taking women, enslaving people, raping and such and generally doing whatever they want to the poor smallfolk, because I'm 100% sure the Dothraki haven't changed that much.
-The unsullied, a known slave army( now ex slaves but she bought them, thus making them still slaves loyal to their bidder who is Dany), who despite her claims, are not totally free to make their own choices because they have been conditioned such they obey orders without question, so when she says their free, and offers them to join her they do because they see it as a order. Won't win her favours having slave armies.
-Jorah Mormont, a known slaver who is barely remorseful for what he did or even understands the atrocity, and who is a exile having fled to avoid his fate making him a criminal.
-Tyrion, he killed his father, this is fact, while not everyone believe he killed Jofrrey, he did kill Tywin, he's a kinslayer a big no no and is a Lannister thus the Riverlands, Vale, Stormlands and North will hate him.
- Varys, a guy who has served three kings at least, bouncing seamlessly between Targaryens, Baratheons, to Lannisters, he's distrusted heavily and would hardly be liked.
-Ellaria Sand, the murderous harpy who killed her lovers brother( therefore her brother in law equivalent), a innocent child under the fostering of Dorne which is like guest right, had her nephew murdered by his own cousins, the guards and therefore those of Dorne, and caused the Lannisters to set Euron on them, resulting in massive casualties, even if she had lived she would not be seen as a right person to have murdered.
-The Greyjoy siblings, who particularly in Yara's case, raided, pillaged, murdered and sacked the North, commiting severe atrocities and broke the agreement of peace,( Theon did attack, but he did so rather restrained, since he essentially got in there, got Bran to surrender, then took it with 1 casualty before the Boltons massacred everything.)This will not help her either, the ironborn are despised throughout the land and no person in the north will like the greyjoys getting independance and rewards from a invading queen who's father executed two Starks and who's brother raped Lyanna.
So you see, Already she has set herself up as a foreign invader and usurper by having a army and council of almost entirely foreigners who know nothing of Westeros, or people who are hated or known enemies like Jorah or Greyjoys.
Then, she has no knowledge or understanding of things. Like the mad king. While yes, Jamie broke his oath he was right to kill the mad king, everyone agrees there, his sin was in not stopping Elia's death, but Dany only sees him as a murderer who unfairly killed her dad, despite her never even knowing him and his awful deeds being famous. Then when Jon comes, she thinks she can just tell him the oaths sworn by Torrhen Stark and it's all done. She doesn't take into account that by kidnapping and raping his aunt, murdering his grandfather and uncle, one of which violated the ancient right of trial by combat, calling for Ned's head despite no fault of his own, the Targaryens forfeited the oaths. She doesn't offer any real assurances or apologies, she's very quick to apologise for Aerys but does nothing to assure Jon nothing will happen to the North. She also is incredibly untactful when Jon comes, calling him lord instead of king shows she feels superior and that there is no negotiation, if she had respected his title then she comes off as a equal and valuable ally, not a arrogant self proclaimed queen. Then, she also has no knowledge of her image portrayed. Despite her claims, she's not coming off as a saviour but as Aegon the conqueror, someone who no one actually liked. Burning people like she does is making her jus look like more of the mad kings evil daughter, it's not allowed by law so she comes off as again a unjust tyrant. She had no tact, as she seems to believe everyone must just see her as queen or die, and has no interest in prisoners despite the heavy benefit it gives, making her more merciful then what she does here by ending the Tarlys since she had no idea Sam was alive or even existed. And of course, her over reliance and willingness to use her dragons to get her way, making her far too similar to the evil Targaryen rulers who everyone wanted gone. Also, her lack of understanding that all her families actions may not endear her to the North, or that they may wish to no longer be under a southern ruler, after the awful Lannisters who directly killed Ned, orchestrated the abominal red wedding killing their king and the lady of winterfell, and took Sansa Stark captive beating her and marrying her off to a Lannister.I mean, she seems very confused why no one is happy she's there, and why Sansa for instance wants a independant North, not 100% with no contact but just to rule by themselves and since the Targs broke the oaths that had the North lose it's independance in the first place, it means they have a right to rule once more therefore, you can tell she just sees them all as slaves and the poor needing to be freed by her.
Wow.. So very valid and apt points..
Yeah and westeros is full with saint and innocence ppl so she so wrong to do that🗿
Why too much writing
That’s all very true. It all makes her look hypocritical. Randall Tarly was right. You can say what you want about Cersei but she understands customs of the people and politics. The minute Daenerys is slighted it’s dracarys and that’s it. Even if she didn’t lose Missandei and Rhaegal she still didn’t have the experience or decision making to be a good leader. She had dragons. Jon was a warrior and United people and was willing to die for what he believed in. That’s how he earned respect. People feared Daenerys and respected Jon.
My dude you wrote an essay 😂
i loved the part when they mentioned randall fought for the mad king aka her bloodline
it was truly amazing when tyrion stated that point and then randall reconsidered his position... such genius writing
Boy those knees bended PRETTY FAST after their leaders got TORCHED haha
One of the stupidest deaths honestly. Randall already shown he is flexible on who to follow. Why choose death now? Im pretty sure he shouldve known who daenerys is. Hell, he fought under the targaryen flag at robert's rebellion. If its anything he shouldve switched sides with the tyrells. Lol
Bad writing through and through. I think they just wanted the show to be over, honestly. It's so much work lmao.
His loyalties aren't flexible though. Randyll Tarly was never fond of aerys targaryen even less so when the mad king burnt a lord paramount alive. Yet he still fight for the targaryens and is the only person in history to have been able to beat Robert baratheon in battle. When the targaryens lost, he swore fealty to the new dynasty. Thats not flexible loyalties, thats what happens when you lose a war. He swore allegiance to the baratheons and when house Tyrell betrayed the baratheons and supported a foreigner he stood to his oath. He was a man of honor.
@@shadezero8661 didnt he lose here?
Also if he is such a man of honor then he shouldve chose death or went to the wall when the targaryens fell out of power. Ser alisser thorne chose the wall.
I think it came down to her being Foreign and with the Dothraki horde and unsullied as her army. If she had more support of the people of westeros and people actually 'wanted' Targeryns back in power Tarly may have sided with her. But he states his reasoning clear; she seemed like a foreign invader, not a returning Queen of an intact dynasty. They could have expanded it a bit and tried to flesh out the reasoning better but hey D & D wanted to get to their star wars trilogy. Oh, btw how did that work out for them? lol
@@alwaysturnonaircon and Thorne killed his lord commander
*Chooses Renegade dialogue option*
Shoutout to DaVinci's demons and Black sails Amazing shows
She started off cool, but Daenerys went full Tyrant when she landed in Westeros. Bow to her or die. Thankfully Jon Snow fixed that.
For thought she was breaker off chains Now it's join or die
Never get tired of Tyrion and his terrible suggestions
IDC what anyone says, this was one of my favorite scenes. 😂😂😂
What about when Jon Snow stabbed her in the end?
Death by fire is slow and painful but this is the instant immolation, quick and pretty merciful.
Kinda badass not kneeling or feeling intimidated after a dragon roars at you.
this doesn't make her bad, the literal first lesson we learnt in got is that treason should be punished...
Randyll not only got burned to death here but he lost a filling to Magneto in X-Men First Class.
During this fire , Dickon Tarly somehow became the older brother in Dumb and Dumbers minds 😂
His older brother took the black and gave up his right to inherit, so Dickon is the heir.
Always more fitting when treacherous souls act valiantly only to be consumed but a fitting death
"I was born in dragon stone and was forced to flee over seas to escape death, I am here to take back what was taken from me" I think that would've cleared things up... Honestly though at this point anyone choosing cersei over Dany makes no sense considering the lannisters have been loyal to no one and has screwed over everyone at this point... also basically everyone knows the lannisters claim to the thrown is a lie so yea this scene especially made no sense
False gods that make false threats are not to be feared. Real men build there reputation through their actions.
that was ... "well done"
I still don't see why people were mad at Daney for this act. The lord Turley did not want mercy aka The Wall he CHOSE his fate, and so did Dickon. Also, she gave them an instantaneous death by being turned into ash in less than three seconds.
Because "serve me or die" is not a valid option to give PoW's, and as he says she had no authority to offer him the black either so those where his choices... Imagine the Germans in WW2 telling their French prisoners of war in 1940 "serve in the German army or we'll gas you to death like the Jews" that seem reasonable to you?
@@DelogrosIt’s not a matter of authority to send someone to the Wall. Tywin Lannister sent Targaryen loyalists to the Wall and they never swore to him or called him theyr liege or king. Dany offers then a pardon despite then being turncloaks, and they refuse that along with refusing the Wall. If these dips hits want to die out if loyalty to Cersei Lannister, a blasphemous kinslayer, then that’s on them.
@@MorallyDubiousFrog Obviously it is a question of authority, Tarleys entire issue is that to go to the wall is to submit to the idea that Dany has the authority to send him to the wall... It's literally what he says. if others went to the wall to save their hides or for whatever reason then that's up to them and is entirely irritant to an entirely different set of events and people.
Not turncloaks as already discussed, they stayed loyal to the Crown which was an entirely reasonable and lawful choice.
So you would be pro 1940's Germans gassing French soldiers who refused to serve in the German army?
My big BIG problem with this is Dany should be better, Robert Baratheon took 3 lords captive in his first battles of his rebellions, he kept them imprisoned and one by one through sheer force of character and personality turned all 3 to his side and in fact all 3 died for him in the battles that happened afterwards... Is it so wrong to expect Dany a character who has far more of those quality's for instilling loyalty and love to be at least as good as Robert fricken Baratheon? Because that should be the low bar of expectation.
@@Delogros It’s not a question of authority. Tywin Lannister was able to send Targaryen loyalists to the Wall, but they never accepted him or Robert as their rulers or kings.
They are turncloaks. The Reach declared for Daenerys, and the. Randyll Tarly went to King’s Landing and made a deal with the Lannisters whee he would support them in exchange for being made Warden of the South. Loyalty had nothing to do with it.
Your WW2 analogy is in no way comparable. Dany killing the Tarlys is the French executing men who abandoned France to join up with the German army and refused to accept a pardon.
Robert convinced fellow Stormlords to join him in rebellion. Those lords hadn’t previously been on his side and then turned cloak in exchange for a reward.
@@MorallyDubiousFrog i've already replied to the same authority argument before and I'm not going to keep going around in circles.
Other then they didn't betray the Crown sure, total turn cloaks LOL - Doesn't matter one tiny bit who the Tyrells declared for, that isn't how a feudal system works.
Already answered the loyalty point and greed in another post and I'm not going to argue in curcles.
Sure it is, it takes 4-6 months to train a WW2 soldier, it takes 10 weeks to train a soldier in the medieval period if you are wanting to give them very good training, archery of course is a separate issue.
No it's not at all, the Tarly's where prisoners of war, not turn cloaks as you keep incorrectly labeling them and should have been taken back to dragonstone as prisoners, you have to do some pretty extreme mental gymnastics to make their murders OK.
As I say, those lords didn't owe there loyalty primarily to house Baratheon otherwise he wouldn't have had to bribe them now would he, thanks for proving my point.
Betrayed their overlord, served mass murderer who killed their overlords , refuse to serve again their Old lord's daughter and suddenly talks honor. He is a traitor deserved this. Oh, brilliant writing .
They’re hypocrites on the level of the Baratheons, luckily they got what they deserved in the end.
That imp is the real double faced
“So my son is an idiot.” -Randyl probably
These may have been D&D’s most pointless victims
Their allegiance wasn't worth much. Daenerys was right to fry them.
You know it's bad news when other soldiers start pulling out long sticks and marshmallows.
Drogon is just asssstttoundingggggg
All they had to do for this scene to make sense was have Dickon (lol) die in the battle, so that Randyll was furious and said he didn't care about death because he lost his heir to Danaerys. How hard is that to write?
Try writing that when you're thinking about your big new Star Wars contract. Not so easy now, huh?
As far as deaths by fire go, this one was pretty quick
Yeah thx to aerys
I like how tyrion said 'bend the knee' to Dickon, like " wtf bend the knee🤨"
“She’s lived here all her life.” Is the worst qualification for a ruler I’ve ever heard. He has a point but that’s literally all he’s got.
Danerys was absolutely correct in her actions and I don't see how anyone has the right to brand her a maniac considering the atrocities that were committed by the other players in the GOT both past and present. These two were given a choice and they made it.
Yeah, don't see how 6 million Jewish deaths meant hitler was bad, when leaders before him did wayyyy worse atrocities 😂😂😂😂 your backward, but unfortunately, to get your own way that is against the modern society of time. You have to be against the norm.
Was I really supposed to feel bad for the Tarlys?!
Y luego aún le pareció raro que Sam quisiera verla a caer, cuando mató a su familia a sangre fría.
should have called herself 'breaker of chains and burner of flesh' - she burnt all too many alive
Tyrion: You gonna burn everybody to death with your dragons?
Danny: Yes.
Tyrion: Will you ever stop?
Danny: No.
Tyrion: I'm short anyway.
It is so very very cardinally different from GRR Martin's Tyrion. D&D failed.
No ties to this land???? What was he on about 💀
Yeah her father was the king he fought for before.
@@samdickenson5852 But this was her first time in Westeros... Her father also broke the feudal contract. Her ways and army are entirely foreign, and she show up demanding the prisoners join her army.
I'm just thinking how the hundred years war would have gone if England and France butchered any prisoners that didn't join their armies.
@Lorgar64 Especially considering that the English kings fought for the Throne of France. So by some stretched definition I suppose the men who fought against them were “traitors”
@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 Likewise the French would see the French soldiers from England's French territory as traitors. It just doesn't make sense to go to another country, take prisoners, then conscript the prisoners and kill any who refuse. People didn't really try this until the time of Frederick the great, and even then they were just experimenting with the concept. One of the first things they found that companies of former prisoners, even volunteers, did not fight particularly hard and given half a chance would leg it.
I know, her ancestor literally conquered the seven kingdoms and created the iron throne.
I love that once the fire starts going, all those still standing just "alight, bending the knee, bending the knee..."
Ruling by fear is no better than her father.
Out of all the mad things she did, this was probly the most civil one, giving them an option.
Idk why people are mad at Dany for this. They made their own choices.
Misogyny is usually the reason
@@Athena908 COPIUM . Their point is her character rapidly degrades from entitled liberator to utter Tyrant. "I'm going to break the wheel." She just joins all the male oppressive royalty that tyrannize the general population. When she freed slaves they chose her but in the 7 kingdoms she went about forcing them to kneel instead which is the exact definition of the wheel. Thats the entire point of the books as a comparison to a democracy. If you supported her character to the very end of the T.V show you're literally an insane cultist. All the rulers in the show commit tyrannical acts and she became no better.