I don’t see how this can’t be plausible. All pagers include primers as piezo beepers and detonators as haptic feedback motors as far as I know. Have to be careful not to get them too hot.
The pagers somehow getting compromised to short out the battery was my first thought too. From what I have heard though, the pagers in question were intercepted in transit by Israel and tampered with to add a small explosive payload. Israel decided to detonate all of their devices out of concern Hezbollah would ditch their pagers if they waited for any amount of time after the first use or discovery of their rigged devices. Even the old lithium batteries rarely exploded in a way that caused the amount of shrapnel and injury the pagers have since the battery still got contained by the device's housing. It was mostly flames and gasses that got out, causing damage and injuries.
I'm retired , but my career has included electronic product design and manufacture. To conduct an operation where explosives are built into a product and centrally detonated would require a very extensive and sophisticated plan. This would include device design, manufacturing, and internal programming. Then the service would need to track daily usage patterns to identify specific users as targets plus the service would also need to centrally issue the detonate code to those targets. All the while acting with the communication services that the uses expect and pay for.
This is what you get with a State actor (government). It is well known in data security circles (my area of work) that State-funded hackers can almost do the impossible; with hacking, you can do almost anything with enough resources/money. And governments have plenty of such resources if they really want to accomplish something. Just like ANYTHING can be decrypted, if you have enough processing power (and time) to throw at it. Nothing is totally secure.
I don't think that they did anything beyond sabotaging a shipment or two for Hezbollah. No tracking or analytics, why would you bother if you know that the shipment was bound for Hezbollah? Some programming to energize a separate circuit when the unit received a certain code. Perhaps the initiator and substance were packed next to the battery to add to the effect.
The software that programs the microcontrollers used in those devices must have been compromised to add hidden code to trigger the devices. I also think it's possible to have tiny amounts of explosives placed into batteries during the manufacturing process. I know they're not using 18650's, but as an example, different manufacturers would have longer runtime and heavier batteries. While cheaper & shorter runtime batteries would be lighter in the same form factor.
TY for covering this, especially after the 2nd round today. Seems like the Li batt could have provided an incendiary bonus. There is a possibility they could have embedded in battery but would have needed access to a battery mfg'r. There is at least one Israeli mfgr but I dont know if they do recharable chemistries.
From a technical standpoint if you intended a battery to be a weapon you could optimize the internal structure and chemistry to achieve devastating results. You could ensure that the materials produce the maximum amount of explosive gasses and use a stronger than normal capsule with fragmentation lines and fake vents , the BMS could be designed to on command place a dead short on the battery ensuring rapid thermal runaway. Electric vehicles are capable of being self guided BOMBS. Any vehicle near a strategic asset could wake up drive to the target ram itself into it and self detonate.
today this "tecnique" involved also other device... including but not only, radio, cell phone, laptop, even ring camera, and in some way cars. we need more details, but i'm not so sure that this "tecnique" don't involve battery alone (maybe only "intelligent battery" in some way).
Nothing to do with the battery. Those were explosions plain and simple. A battery conflagrates, a rapid thermal runaway with sparks and gasses released. The available videos show explosions of probably 5g of a commercial compound and initiator.
@@ottopartz1 so they placed explosive charges in all the consumer electronic affected by this "incident"? as i said, not only "pager" or cb, but phones, and other device equipped with "smart batteries"... time will tell...
The explosions had to be destinated by a particular code or from a particular number. And will a short delay, the victim would have time to bring the pager to his face to read the number. This is Sci Fi, indeed. Sci Fi and top notch spycraft.
re: "This is Sci Fi, indeed. Sci Fi and top notch spycraft." this is simply "BY WAY OF DECEPTION", published circa 1990, Author: Victor Ostrovsky a former Mossad Agent. what Sun Tzu's the Art of War was to the 5th Century, this book was to the 20th Century.
saw somebody talking about it. the manufacturer even said it's not them. they were made under license by somebody else, and shipped in as regular pagers. containing an explosive charge of some kind waiting for the right code. it'll come out more over the next few days sure israel wants it silent as long as possible for any other devices.
Intercepting it and packing it with some RDX? You could do the same thing to an internal combustion vehicle, shove a block above the gas tank where no one would look. What happened had absolutely nothing to do with batteries except for them being shrapnel along with the plastic and circuit boards.
@@ottopartz1 Never say Never: for Evs with 60-90 KWH battery you dont need to ... that Evs alone can potentially burn down entire structure... not just loss of human lives You may not know how BMS works in these batteries. If compromised, malicious hackers can alter charge speeds, forcibly disrupt charging cycles, or rapidly switch between alternating current (ac) and direct current (dc). These actions could damage EV batteries, leading to thermal runaway and, in extreme scenarios, fires or even explosions.
It can happen with a hack. Maybe not on pagers but on our phones. All they have to do is disable the battery safety features, then disable the CPU safety features then overclock it and have it run as hot as possible to the point the battery next to it overheats and because that has its safety features disabled too… it’s very possible.
@@StacheDTraining yeah maybe not an explosion to the point it injures a second person who’s nearby, but can certainly do just as much harm to the person with the phone in their pocket or hand.
Exactly, how about EV's being hacked into thermal runaway? Big money is made by the likes of Blackberry Limited (QNX) in car IT security. Car hacking is real. And the powers that be seem dead set on mandating & subsidizing EV's into being everywhere. Like we need another reason to limit Lithium ion in transport. "But he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
@@fredflintstone5356 re: "can certainly do just as much harm to the person with the phone in their pocket or hand." yup, it's gonna blow their nutz off like those guys famously seen dancing around with those defective E-Cigarettes in their pockets, and no man wants that in their life. 🤪
Q: Blame the Batteries? A: close, blame the Comp-B. the "B" in this case however does NOT stand for "battery", nor does it stand for those SUPER INCENDIARY Coin Cells that we saw on video quickly tearing through the Aricell Battery Plant in South Korea back on June 24th (but the concern is understandable).
It is definitely not the batteries. Its probably a tampered device or even worst manufactured for a purpose(which makes sense for the amount of things that has to be done to make it work(chips with unused capability, additional circuitry as part of unpopulated pcb or a carrier board, modified battery housing the exp. charge, custom firmware, ability to broadcast custom message trigger etc.).
Motivation? Who are the targets? Who are the people using the pagers in this day & age, are they connected to a particular organization ? Very odd and surely not indiscriminate ?
Q1: Motivation? A1: vengeance. Q2: Who are the targets? A2: those guys. Q3: Who are the people using the pagers in this day & age. A3: repeat THOSE GUYS. Q4: Are they connected to a particular organization ? A4: you betcha. Q5: Very odd and surely not indiscriminate ? A5: no worries, only odd at first glance.
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Runaway is not the explosion type you are seeing here, thats some kind of manufatctured explosive being set off.
Correct. Small shaped charge encased in metal most likely, could be disguised as battery tho. Astounding they weren't properly checked.
I can't believe that you might even contemplate the notion that all these pagers went into thermal runaway at exactly the same moment in time.🤪
I don’t see how this can’t be plausible. All pagers include primers as piezo beepers and detonators as haptic feedback motors as far as I know. Have to be careful not to get them too hot.
The pagers somehow getting compromised to short out the battery was my first thought too. From what I have heard though, the pagers in question were intercepted in transit by Israel and tampered with to add a small explosive payload. Israel decided to detonate all of their devices out of concern Hezbollah would ditch their pagers if they waited for any amount of time after the first use or discovery of their rigged devices.
Even the old lithium batteries rarely exploded in a way that caused the amount of shrapnel and injury the pagers have since the battery still got contained by the device's housing. It was mostly flames and gasses that got out, causing damage and injuries.
This man talks sense !
I'm retired , but my career has included electronic product design and manufacture. To conduct an operation where explosives are built into a product and centrally detonated would require a very extensive and sophisticated plan. This would include device design, manufacturing, and internal programming. Then the service would need to track daily usage patterns to identify specific users as targets plus the service would also need to centrally issue the detonate code to those targets. All the while acting with the communication services that the uses expect and pay for.
What seems like an impossible task.
@@StacheDTraining you are making little sense. RUclips engagement is a hell of a drug
This is what you get with a State actor (government). It is well known in data security circles (my area of work) that State-funded hackers can almost do the impossible; with hacking, you can do almost anything with enough resources/money. And governments have plenty of such resources if they really want to accomplish something. Just like ANYTHING can be decrypted, if you have enough processing power (and time) to throw at it. Nothing is totally secure.
Guess the Jews know how.. This is a new one on me. Get them to Buy 1K rigged phones??
I don't think that they did anything beyond sabotaging a shipment or two for Hezbollah. No tracking or analytics, why would you bother if you know that the shipment was bound for Hezbollah? Some programming to energize a separate circuit when the unit received a certain code. Perhaps the initiator and substance were packed next to the battery to add to the effect.
I doubt that any of the pagers had lithium Ion batteries. All reports I've heard were that they operate on AA or multiple AAA batteries.
The software that programs the microcontrollers used in those devices must have been compromised to add hidden code to trigger the devices. I also think it's possible to have tiny amounts of explosives placed into batteries during the manufacturing process. I know they're not using 18650's, but as an example, different manufacturers would have longer runtime and heavier batteries. While cheaper & shorter runtime batteries would be lighter in the same form factor.
I'm no expert, but I believe the pagers had to be modified to add an internal explosive before distribution.
Yes: *_PETN._*
Duh.
Definitely so, those were definitely explosions. Batteries can react violently but there's a difference. Conflagration is what batteries do.
TY for covering this, especially after the 2nd round today. Seems like the Li batt could have provided an incendiary bonus.
There is a possibility they could have embedded in battery but would have needed access to a battery mfg'r. There is at least one Israeli mfgr but I dont know if they do recharable chemistries.
The company which built the pagers was *_BAC Consulting_* in Hungary.
From a technical standpoint if you intended a battery to be a weapon you could optimize the internal structure and chemistry to achieve devastating results.
You could ensure that the materials produce the maximum amount of explosive gasses and use a stronger than normal capsule with fragmentation lines and fake vents , the BMS could be designed to on command place a dead short on the battery ensuring rapid thermal runaway.
Electric vehicles are capable of being self guided BOMBS.
Any vehicle near a strategic asset could wake up drive to the target ram itself into it and self detonate.
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today this "tecnique" involved also other device... including but not only, radio, cell phone, laptop, even ring camera, and in some way cars.
we need more details, but i'm not so sure that this "tecnique" don't involve battery alone (maybe only "intelligent battery" in some way).
Nothing to do with the battery. Those were explosions plain and simple. A battery conflagrates, a rapid thermal runaway with sparks and gasses released. The available videos show explosions of probably 5g of a commercial compound and initiator.
@@ottopartz1 so they placed explosive charges in all the consumer electronic affected by this "incident"?
as i said, not only "pager" or cb, but phones, and other device equipped with "smart batteries"... time will tell...
The explosions had to be destinated by a particular code or from a particular number. And will a short delay, the victim would have time to bring the pager to his face to read the number. This is Sci Fi, indeed. Sci Fi and top notch spycraft.
You spelled " terrorist " wrong. There, I fixed it for you. You're welcome.
re: "This is Sci Fi, indeed. Sci Fi and top notch spycraft." this is simply "BY WAY OF DECEPTION", published circa 1990, Author: Victor Ostrovsky a former Mossad Agent. what Sun Tzu's the Art of War was to the 5th Century, this book was to the 20th Century.
Who uses pagers much anymore?
Who knew you could use PETN as the electrolyte in a LI battery?
That stuff is wayyy too unstable for that!
No cellphone has or had 18650 cells. Samsung, iPhone et al used pouch cells. Surprised to see you make this error
No idea how that was pulled off but a bit of Semtex mixed in with a Li battery has certainly made an impact.
Now is certainly not the time to take a Vacation anywhere near the Middle East.
The batteries would not go into thermal run a way altogether.
Yeah, this indeed looks strange... The fact that people still uses pagers.
In the less developed world such as in Latin America, pagers are still used
Israel was tracking their phones, so Hezbollah switched to pagers. Remember that Israel invented the Pegasus spyware.
The cell phone would pinpoint the terrorists’ location, they switched to pagers instead. I guess they will go to written contact now.
Receive only devices, that’s why they use them.
Hospital staff still use them because there reliable.
saw somebody talking about it.
the manufacturer even said it's not them.
they were made under license by somebody else, and shipped in as regular pagers.
containing an explosive charge of some kind waiting for the right code.
it'll come out more over the next few days
sure israel wants it silent as long as possible for any other devices.
Now imagine someone doing this on EVs !
Intercepting it and packing it with some RDX? You could do the same thing to an internal combustion vehicle, shove a block above the gas tank where no one would look.
What happened had absolutely nothing to do with batteries except for them being shrapnel along with the plastic and circuit boards.
@@ottopartz1 Never say Never: for Evs with 60-90 KWH battery you dont need to ... that Evs alone can potentially burn down entire structure... not just loss of human lives
You may not know how BMS works in these batteries. If compromised, malicious hackers can alter charge speeds, forcibly disrupt charging cycles, or rapidly switch between alternating current (ac) and direct current (dc). These actions could damage EV batteries, leading to thermal runaway and, in extreme scenarios, fires or even explosions.
It can happen with a hack. Maybe not on pagers but on our phones. All they have to do is disable the battery safety features, then disable the CPU safety features then overclock it and have it run as hot as possible to the point the battery next to it overheats and because that has its safety features disabled too… it’s very possible.
It is possible, but it would not cause an explosion like we saw in Lebanon. It would only cause a small fire.
@@StacheDTraining yeah maybe not an explosion to the point it injures a second person who’s nearby, but can certainly do just as much harm to the person with the phone in their pocket or hand.
Exactly, how about EV's being hacked into thermal runaway?
Big money is made by the likes of Blackberry Limited (QNX) in car IT security. Car hacking is real.
And the powers that be seem dead set on mandating & subsidizing EV's into being everywhere.
Like we need another reason to limit Lithium ion in transport.
"But he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
I don’t think so. Listen to the video.
@@fredflintstone5356 re: "can certainly do just as much harm to the person with the phone in their pocket or hand." yup, it's gonna blow their nutz off like those guys famously seen dancing around with those defective E-Cigarettes in their pockets, and no man wants that in their life. 🤪
Why were not explosives detected by sniffer dogs and or other types of detectors at air ports or other ports of entry?
Q: Blame the Batteries? A: close, blame the Comp-B. the "B" in this case however does NOT stand for "battery", nor does it stand for those SUPER INCENDIARY Coin Cells that we saw on video quickly tearing through the Aricell Battery Plant in South Korea back on June 24th (but the concern is understandable).
Message on the pagers was " Allah-Ka-BLAM!" LOL! 😂
I've seen it, it was "kaboom"....🙈
They should be more carefull....
Old pagers were Motorola...
New pagers were Mossadorola.....🙈
These batteries should NOT be allowed at all until they 110% SAFE not 110% Dangerous!!!!
Keyword- "simultaneously"
People still use pagers?
If he'd done 2 minutes of actual research he'd have been able to explain that. This is a click bait video.
It is definitely not the batteries. Its probably a tampered device or even worst manufactured for a purpose(which makes sense for the amount of things that has to be done to make it work(chips with unused capability, additional circuitry as part of unpopulated pcb or a carrier board, modified battery housing the exp. charge, custom firmware, ability to broadcast custom message trigger etc.).
Not batteries.
Correct. It was 3 grams of PETN per pager. Also, today, there were additional explosions of walkie-talkies and cellphones. See: *_India Today._*
Motivation? Who are the targets? Who are the people using the pagers in this day & age, are they connected to a particular organization ? Very odd and surely not indiscriminate ?
Q1: Motivation? A1: vengeance.
Q2: Who are the targets? A2: those guys.
Q3: Who are the people using the pagers in this day & age. A3: repeat THOSE GUYS.
Q4: Are they connected to a particular organization ? A4: you betcha.
Q5: Very odd and surely not indiscriminate ? A5: no worries, only odd at first glance.
This video was click bait. He did no research and gave no factual information.
Who uses PAGERS today. ??
beep beep boom ! that what happen when you dont call back
So, EV can become a huge bomb and deadly weapon
Ya think, my God,
It’s not the battery.
It’s terrorism.
Counter-terrorism
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