🔴 Girls LOVE These Lenses! (135mm Portraits/ Model Photography)
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- Of all the portrait lenses I use the one lens that gets the most compliments is the 135mm
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I have one of the Nikon 135 2.8 pre ai lenses for my film cameras and I really like it.
Back in the heyday of the 35mm slr, the salesman would always try to up sell you to the 135mm lens. It was always reasonably priced, so there were lots out there.
Then, years later, the wide angle lenses came into vogue, and everybody wanted them. It was then that the 135s went out of favor, and turned up in large numbers on the market and cheaply. Now they seem to be making a come back of sorts.
Sorry,Matt, if I bored you with my musings.LOL
Thanks Michael, not at all. Your musings are always very welcome. You can educate me and any other younger viewers. I know they are cheaper than most lenses. (and I remember wide being popular when I started out with my photography)
For the last decade or so, I had mostly shoot with my 70-200 2.8 for portrait (200 for full body), but shooting on M body had taken me back to the 50mm days. However, I do own both a Hektor 135 f4 and a Elmarit 135 2.8 with goggles. I don't use neither of them much because they are so bulky, but I do like a good compression shot. I found myself taking out the collapsible 90mm out a but more. As crazy as it sounds, all three of those lenses together costed me less than $450, and are all Leica!
Hey Rex! Sorry for my late answer here. Yes these lenses are great value but less suited to RF work.. well the 90mm is OK (results pay off for the effort). Thomas on Patreon uses his 90 f2 Pre like mine a lot on his M3.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I took my off calibration Jupiter-9 out yesterday; it’s a bit tricky to nail focus, but with some practice, I can compensate the range with a micro adjustment after I acquired focus in the RF
@@rexypoooo nice!
You do it, you explain it, you show it. Great. Thanks.
Thanks Sandy!
I'm also a model photographer and don't use this focal length. It gives you a good compression of the background, and in classical photo theory, you are also right, but it also gives you a very distant view of an image, like an observer from a distance. I like this a little. But nowadays, everyone is used to shorter focal lengths because of pictures taken by a smartphone. From the models, I often hear that they like the colors and then ask which camera it is ;-) However, in general, models are more interested in images than cameras, which is how they should be.
Yes 135mm is normally too long for me too but the girls do seem to like it. I agree it's what you do with the gear that counts :)
Nice one Matt - I have two 135mm lenses, the 135 M Elmar, like yours, which is sharp, but lacks contrast and a bit of a pain to use on a M rangefinder. The other is an Olympus OM 135mm f/2.8 which is superb - sharp but not clinical, easy to focus and use on a SL! Great even wide open. Going to drag both out for a shoot soon.
Great stuff! Yes re. the Elmar and I think I might have owned the Olympus in my early days (I used on a Lumix G1 as it was compact).
Real real nice shots Matt
Bravo.
Good video.
10/10
Thanks Rob, you guys constantly surprise me as to what videos you like and don't :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom This was clean solid info, no clickbait, your sample shots were great pointing out the reason why 135 and the models were nice (not the fake big boobs to take away the attention of a not so good shot hehehe)
Well done
Very enjoyable video, great example photos, and a real nostalgia trip for me because back when I took up photography in my school days, a 135 was the first additional lens I bought after the 50mm that came with my camera. As someone else noted, almost every brand made one and many of them were very reasonably priced. It was, and as you note still is, an excellent choice for head shots -- the fact that you don't have to get right up in the model's face for a tight crop helps avoid exaggerated noses and chins.
For rangefinder use, did you ever try the Leitz 135mm f/2.8 Tele-Elmarit with magnifying "goggles"? It was an awkward setup (which helps keep the used prices reasonable by Leica standards) but the goggles made the rangefinder and viewfinder images large enough for accurate focusing and fairly easy composition. I never owned one, but was able to borrow one once from the regional Leica rep when I worked for a newspaper and needed to make some very quiet photos with my M4-2 of a temperamental star rehearsing in a theater. Got away with it, too!
Of course the real magic here is not the 135mm focal length but the 15-degree angle of view (on the 36mm side of a 35mm camera frame) and you can get this same look with a 90mm lens on an APS-C camera or a 150-180mm on a medium-format camera. But now that you're obsessed with large format photography, I'm surprised you're not out hunting for a 500mm f/5.5 Schneider Tele-Xenar, which would give you the same viewing angle on a 4x5 camera... no guarantees that you wouldn't need to add some bellows extensions, though!
Thanks James, great I could hit a chord with you on this one and thanks for you seeming endless knowledge as usual! Models seem to love this but I think I'm more of a 90mm max guy for ease of use yet still pretty shots. If you looked closely I was using a 150mm V lens on a 645 Hassy H2 so I look forward to developing those. Yes for LF the "best" I've got is my Nikkor 300mm f9 so we were using that with the Patreon guys. See a video soon for the antics!
Photos look great. The foreground bokeh with 135mm lenses is a great tip. I've tended to shy away from 135mm but your video makes me think I should give it a chance. I do notice that 135mm lenses tend to be less expensive.
Thanks! Yes great value and yes I always make use of the depth with longer FL.
The images taken with my Nikkor-Q 135mm f3.5 have a nice vintage look to them. I prefer it to my Nikkor 135mm f2.8 Ai.
Thanks Ian, great tip!
Thanks!
The discontinued Canon EF 135mm f2.8 Soft Focus has to be the greatest portrait lens bargain out there. You can turn the soft focus off but it still delivers amazing vintage looks.
Thanks! I didn't realise Canon made one too. I'm an ex-Nikon guy so I know of the "famous" 135mm f2 DC lens.
You should try the nikkor 135mm f2 ais, i think its the best 135mm from nikon pre 2000
Thank you! I was buying it mainly as a short tele for travel rather than portraits so I went with the 2.8E for the smallest setup
The 135 f4 Leica is an amazing lens for the money 👌
Yes! One of the cheapest M mount lenses
Hi Matt✌
Great video as I know it from you.👌I used to do a lot with 135, maybe the Canon 2/135 L tells you a dream lens is looking for its equal. But what I found even more interesting was the Steinheil München QUINAR 2.8/135 VL a wonderful bokeh with a great swirl effect, but also very hard to find, if at all a very good specimen in good condition. And I have one of them but it was just a matter of luck😉😁
Lg Anderl
Thanks and thanks for the info about those other lenses!
I can also highly recommend the Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED AI-S. It's a legendary PJ lens, much like the Nikkor 105mm f/2.5 AI-S that shot Nat Geo's most famous cover.
Yes I LOVE that lens! You can see me using in it Lisbon in a Nikon F3/ FE2 video. (I use it with Voigtlander 28,40,90 lenses)
olympus zuiko 135mm f2.8 is probably the smaller 135mm lens i've used. Still waiting for you to test some old olympus gear Matt XD
Thanks! Never say never!
Picked up my SL3 yesterday (one of the very first to arrive in Canada). I can’t wait to try it out with my 50 and 75mm summilux lenses after my move to Italy 🇮🇹 in early July. Interesting video Matt
Wow congrats! Yes most people can’t get hold of the SL3 still
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks Matt
I also like 135mm lenses. CZJ 135mm f3.5 and Konica hexanon ar 135 f3.2 are pretty decent in size and IQ
Thanks James and thanks for the info!
I was wondering if You ever used Panasonic Lenses on your SL. I have been using the Sigma and Panasonic plus Leica on my SL2S including Nikkor F Mount lenses Pre AI and Newer Glass. Cheers!
Hi, I own the Lumix 50 1.8 (which Leica went on to rebrand as a Leica lens, now a kit lens for the SL2S along with the sister lens, the Lumix 35mm (rebadged). I've tested quite a few AF Sigma L lenses on this channel too if you search "MrLeica Sigma". Good lenses but AF doesn't interest me, I like old fashioned haha.
I have a m42 mount Polaris 135mm f1.8 from the 70's.Its a nice lens but it's massive and not the easiest to use.
Nice! Yes some 135s are big (especially compared to little Leica lenses)
Old good memories.. i bought the Elmarit-R more than 25 years ago
Nice! Good performer but weighty :)
I do not have and do not need a 135mm for my Leica rangefinders.
I do have the following five 135mm prime lenses for my SLRs:
Takumar f/2.8 M42 mount
Fujinon f/2.8 M42 mount
Nikkor f/3.5 F mount
Nikkor f/2 F mount (my favorite for portraits)
Zeiss f/2 F mount (my favorite for photojournalism and documentary work)
Thanks for the video.
Quizás es por qué no lo has probado?
Yo trabajo con Leícas telemetricas y con este 135 y el 90mm trabajan de maravilla .
Very nice line up! Yes 135mm is not much fun on M cameras.
@@miguelbazaaranaantunez4608
No tengo motivos para probarlo porque los 90 mm que uso con mis telémetros Leica es todo lo que necesito de mis telémetros Leica. Cuando necesito distancias focales más largas, uso mi SLR.
Pentax 135 f 2.5 SMC Takumar lens is also really good and the size is relatively compact.
Thanks Mikko, noted!
Had the 135 nikon..nice..but awkward sometimes.. but the 105.. much better..anyways..nice shots !
Thanks, I have some great 90s so I skipped the 105 but I hear it’s great!
Nices lens espacially 135mm Nikkor. I have a Nikkor-P105 2.5 sonnar version. I bought it because i didn't wanted to own so many lens like 85mm and 135mm. And what a lens, i love it.
Thanks! Yes a few others mentioned the P version. I do love a good Sonnar lens!
Matt, there is another option, the Contax 135. this is a Zeiss Sonnar f2.8. You can use this on a M with an adapter.
Thanks Andy, yes! I know it actually, Contax RF mount. I have looked at them before as they are cheapish. External bayonet mount..
i find this interesting as I owned a telyt but never thought of using it for portraiture... the cron 90 was always my go to for that... but now i think i should have as it was never very suitable for focusing on the m9
Hi! 135mm are not great fun on M bodies until you use an EVF but very nice on the SL series bodies. Yes 90s are nice but these just give a little more compression which suits some faces more.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom good point about the EVF i am too hardcore RF to use one =)
Hi Matt, great video … I’m slowly convincing myself that I can shoot loonger than 50mm and I’m currently playing around with a Nikon 105mm f/2.8 on a couple of Nikon film bodies.
How difficult is it to frame your image with a 135mm on a rangefinder body?
Thanks! 135 isn’t great with a RF. 90 is much nicer
To get high percentage shots from the 135 mm Tele-Elmer f/4.0 M lens, I have to use my SL2 or SL2-S.
Yes 135mm isn't much fun using a Leica M RF/VF. SL series make it easy.
Nikkor 105mm f/2.5 is another very good choice - much smaller and lighter than the proper 135's and better than the E series IMO. Mine is a 1973 model but the later AI and AIS ones are great as well. Quite cheap too, they aren't rare.
Thanks and yes very nice. I considered them but I have a few nice 90s already so I didn't want to get a similar focal length. (I have the 100mm E too )
Matt, how would you compare these against the Voigtlander 75mm F1.5. It seems that the Voigtlander can blow out the background just as well. Thanks!
Hopefully Matt will get a chance to respond, but I've got the Voigt 75 f/1.5 Nokton and 90 f/2.8 APO and holding off on the 135 f/4 until I hear differently. ;)
This video was purely based on observations from what models like. I prefer 75-90 for "longer" shots most of the time. Yes the 75mm 1.5 is stunning. I have another video coming soon on a 75mm ..(the clips of the 2 girls going woooow.. that was using a 75mm so some nice ones to come!)
Hey Rick, yes you don't really need 135mm for M cameras. Not much fun to use with a RF setup. Great on a SL series but all 3 will give a similar background (with the 75mm being the "best" - FL x aperture)(rough guide) 90mm f2 is excellent also.
Great shoot :) I feel like the location was quite nice for a longer lens, I was happily shooting on the 90mm elmarit a lot and your 28mm, which I guess helped accentuate the height of the model a bit. There is still the 135mm f2 dc from Nikon you can try sometime if you want! Although it's not as nice to manual focus compared to something made for manual cameras, I will admit...
Thanks Thomas, great to have you with us in London. Yes the 90mm is better for your M3 (100%) and thanks for your kind offer to try the 135 DC. I know you offered in the past also!
Matt, nice video. I'm curious to know your impressions of the Nikon 135mm f2.8 Series E, compared with the Nikkor 135mm f2.8 AI or AIS lens. Please advise if you could detect any difference in sharpness, contrast and bokeh. Thank you!
Thanks Steve, from all my reading prior to my purchase the E optics and coatings are the same as the AIS so I went with the lighter E one for travel. Super sharp at f5.6, nice for portraits wide open. I've not directly tested to the Pre-AI in detail.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks Matt. Keep the videos coming.
Fantástico *Matt*
Tengo muchos años trabajando con el 135 Elmar!
Mi consentido para trabajar con la Leíca M3 en los paisajes volcánicos de mi país.
También tengo el 135 Nikkor lo trabajo con mis nikons FM2 y FM3A. Básicamente para retratos y es fantástico .
Sin embargo tengo un *AS* bajo la manga con otro fantástico lente Japonés 135 mm F3.5.*Soligor*
Y te comento que trabaja igual de bien como el Nikoor.
Excelente reseña y saludos desde México....
Thanks and nice setup!
There is something about that 135mm lenses. Have the series of Konica and olympus lenses. I would almost state that the 135 are the sharpest of the bunch.
Thanks, yes agree, I think optically it's easier to make sharper longer lenses (if I remember well).
Great photos. I’ve never tried a 135 on my Leica but I know that the 135 Nikkors are excellent. The DC f2 Nikkor may be the king of those. The canon 135 L is also legendary but who needs that when you have the Elmarit R or a Nikkor?
I have a Nikon 105 mm f/2 DC lens and love it. I could easily see getting the 135 mm version.
@@johnkasianowicz6536 they’re both awesome. Finicky autofocus. But awesome.
Thanks! Yes I was happy with the Nikkor lenses or the Leica R lens for portraits here!
Nice John! Yes a sibling of the 135 DC :)
I lost my love to 135mm a bit since I shoot a lot with my M cameras. But I'm trying to get back with other cameras. At the moment my portrait sweetspot is 90-120mm. Trying harder! ;-)
Makes sense. It's no fun on a M9. 35-50mm is king for Ms I think :)
What lens was on the Hassy? and where did you get the adapter for the NIkon lens
150mm V lens but I use different ones depending on the shoot. Hassy adapters are expensive but cheaper than 2 sets of lenses. Nikon F - Leica is just an eBay cheap adapter
Look forward to the Polaroid episode to come. The E series lenses are not Nikkor’s. They are Nikon E series. They were designed and perceived as not worthy to carry the Nikkor name. I use the 50mm E series lens and it’s great but again not branded as Nikkor
Thanks, sorry for the typo. Yes the 135mm E is a little different in that it's basically the 135mm AIS with the same coatings. As you say all others are lesser lenses. The 135 E still has the lighter more plastic build but the optics are OK. I have the 28/50/100 E lenses. They can all take nice photos.
People will argue about 50mm being superior to the death. I got a 70-300mm that stays at 300mm. Need to get a prime version. 😊
Ha yes, I love my 50s but the girls do seem to like the 135s :) I rarely use my 200mm f2 now as too much compression but I do need to dig it out for a video sometime!
Did you ever shoot the 135 2.8 AI ? Mine's a small jewel from probably 1980 by the number and I wouldn't divest of it for anything. I've also used the heavy beast 135 f2 DC and while I love the images it doesn't stay on the camera long.
Thanks James, I've not. I did loads of research before buying the E but haven't tried all models. The DC is probably the same weight as the Pre-AI haha.
I acquired a pre ai nikkor Q 135/2.8 recently, got it converted for my d810, phew, eventually...now excited to capture some magic through it...thank you for your video /sharing knowledge.
Newly subscribing. Hi from London, y'all...
Starting around 3:54 of this video, was that Amy that you've photographed before? Her style is amazing. And one of my favorite lenses is the Hasselblad 120mm F5.6, which when shot on my Sony A7IV, retains that 120mm. I also have a copy of a Vivitar 135mm that is incredible and was only $30 on Ebay. Great video, Matt. And one reason I like this video so much is that lenses are such a huge part of great photographs. Much more so than the type of camera I feel.
Thank you. Yes well spotted Amy is in this video. I love her look so I invited her to help at one of my recent workshops. I love the Hassy 120mm f4 Macro. My most used Hassy lens. Thanks for the feedback, yes I agree. I just love the Leica SL to mount the lenses too.
I have a very nice Nikon 135mm F2 AIS lens. Works great on my F3 and D850. I bought it because it looked so cool only F3. LOL
Haha looking cool can make us pick up a camera more so it makes sense. Nice lens!
Hi Matt, I was not a fan of the 135mm’for’portraits finding it a little too long but true that your collection of wonderful models makes me think twice to it and I,will try some shoots on my side. About the lenses I would add also for small and light packages the canon ltm 135mm f 3.5 which is rather good for portrait full aperture as you don’t t need a crispy lense on the edges and - personal feeling - is more pretty than the Leica ( I hate the form factor of it with the tripod screw). For Nikon users I didn t know this pre AI model quite big and you also have the ai or ai-s ones which are very similar to the E serie one. If you have more money ( but its price decreases a lot as it s not compatible with the ftz adaptors for Nikon hybrid cameras) you have the wonderful 135 f2 DC which is a beast but more adapted to the Leica SL’due to its size and weight. The 105mm’f2 DC is also a good choice if you love the portrait but it s out of subject here. These two last lenses includes a diaph ring and a DC capability to adjust the bokeh and are perfectly usable in manual mode. This makes them quite unique in Nikon line. See you and congratulation for your always excellent job.
Thanks! Yes I know the DC, my Patreon Thomas has it. Maybe I’ll do a review in the future if I can find an excuse to!
Can you manage RF focusing with those long lenses?
I tend to use 90mm max on a RF for portraits
Hello Matt.
From a focal point of view, I clearly prefer the 90 (see the 75) for tele portraits. From a personal point of view, I find that the 135mm limits the perspective too much.
Thanks! Yes this was more an observation of what models like. I too prefer 75-90mm for real use. (90 Pre-ASPH, 75 Nokton and 90 APO CV)
Nikon pre Ai 135/2.8 has 2 versions, early K type and late K type. Your one is the early one, fatter and softer. Later version (1976 or later) is slimmer and sharper.
Thanks Wayne! Great. I think that went on to become the AIS and then the E was a kind of copy of that (as I remember).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Pre Ai F Nikkor-Q (single coat) > Pre Ai F Nikkor-Q.C ( multi coat) > Pre Ai K-type ( early version) > Pre-Ai K-type (new optical design) > Ai > AiS
AiS Nikon E is not classified as Nikkor, different optics from the Nikkor line.
I use a 135mm Hektor on my M3. It's like a 100mm portrait lens, only better.
Great value too!
😊
Thanks!
Better and cheaper (then shown Nikon lenses) : Nikon Nikkor 135mm f/3.5 AI (Lighter and optical less complex then the f/2.8 version)
Much better Image Quality, but heavier the Zeiss APO Sonnar 135mm f/2.0 ZF.2 T* F-mount lens.
Best Nikon 135mm : the Z-mount Z 135mm f/1.8 S Plena.
Thanks Albert! I did a lot of research beforehand and went with the low priced 135mm f2.8 E (Copy of the AIS 2.8 but lighter/ cheaper). I'm sure the 135 AI is less to carry than my pre-AI!
There is a 135 that will have to be pried from my cold dead fingers. The nikon 135 2.0 DC. I am not a fan of distorting faces at less than 3' but compression at 6-7' is what I love. The 135 dc is considered the bokeh king... it isn't "defocus control, dc" it is bokeh control. A 7 element lens that has 3D rendering like zeiss pop, auto focus on nikon for fast shooting and works on my f100, 5 and 6... thanks for costing me $1500 for those cameras... but you have to be kidding.. the f6 with infallible matrix metering, 5 fps film advance, auto focus. and will rewind with the leader out and no bigger than a dslr. The problem with them is when I had them on a table, on 2 occasions I took the wrong digital/film choice! the look so much alike. Do yourself a favor, give the 135 dc a try. I love the rendering of the mamiya in the 85/135 equiv in both 645 and 67 as well. In 85, the zeiss 85 1.4 planar... gorgeous.
Thanks! Yes I know it. One of the Patreon guys in the video has it. If I get to use it properly in the future maybe I can do a video.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom The hit on the 135 dc is CA. It is my head shot lens and from my preferred compression distance, 6-7' if subject turns head off lens axis, I can't reliably get both eyes sharp til f/3.2 and Ca is either completely gone or gone in a couple clicks in post. If I want to get a bit closer, zeiss 100 makro planar, so sharp will make your eyes bleed, with microcontrast/intertonal contrast that is spectacular for b&w. Even stopped down, it has 3D rendering, zeiss pop. It is my film scanning lens, a multi tasker. You work with models with impeccable skin. Don't want to use it on a 70 yr old woman with wrinkles... even with 7' octa she was shocked when she got a glance at the monitor.
What a title 😂
Anything we can do for girls 😉
Personally I started going wider. The portraits feel more personal with 50mm.
Even 35 in horizontal or square is great. It feels way more intimate.
I used to think 85 and up is for portraits, but the pics felt like postcards... nothing special
Thanks Roman (and nice name!) Yes you know I'm a 50mm guy (and wider) so it was strange to shout to a model "do this" when using the 135mm for full body haha.
It’s not the size it’s what you do with it.
Thanks Katy :) I'd like to think so too haha (tbd the girls didn't know what I was using so it was more an observation!)
I don't know, I think its the lens that likes the girls.
haha, either way they get on well together! :)
You should have titled this video 'Pantydropper lenses!!!' then it would get tons of views lol
Haha nice! Sadly it might have set expectations too high haha
When I did portrait work, the 135mm f/2.5 SMC Pentax and 135mm f/2.5 Super-Multi-Coated Takumar lenses were my favorites.
Matt, please consider expanding your vocabulary a little bit. Try saying "photograph" instead of "shoot" for example. I cringe whenever I hear somebody say, "shooting models".
Thanks Brad
People really ask that? 😅 Have they ever met a woman
Haha, you'd be surprised!
The guys coming to see you or the models are all very young and probably wealthy too. Ahh I am Old. I guess I better stick to my Sea Scapes...
Thanks Chris, don't judge the event by the 2 people you saw. I'm not sure of your age but we had guys in their 60s with us too. You'll likely spot them in another video soon.