A nice demo, generally - good job. Two points I wanted to make. 1) It seems the amp sounds could've been closer with some EQing. The Mesa was way more v-shaped in it's frequency range, and it didn't have to be, unless you were shooting for an all knobs at 12 o'clock comparison? And 2) the Fender had reverb and the Mesa was dry, and reverb is always going to make things sound a little sweeter.
I thought both sounded compressed with the mesa being more so. Then I realised it could be his choice of picks. Never would have guessed it ws the eq but it makes sense.
I thought both sounded compressed with the mesa being more so. Then I realised it could be his choice of picks. Never would have guessed it ws the eq but it makes sense.
Hey, Simon, great video! I like more the clean channel of the Fender, and I'm just starting to discover the value of a great clean tone amp, as I've been on the rock train until the last years. I used to think an amp that can handle dirty channels could do it with cleans, but now I'm getting great sounds from amps that doesnt need anything but one channel. May this kind of videos help young folks to know this!
Thank you for doing this with humbuckers as well. Humbucker cleans are underrated. I think the Fender sounded warmer and rounder while the Mesa sounded clearer and tighter.
I have a 65 fender deluxe reverb RI, a fender blues deluxe RI and a Mesa Maverick dual rectifier. I bought both fenders specifically to play clean and never use them now. The Mesa does it all. The Fenders are still good, they just fall short in comparison.
Same here. I played small gigs, medium gigs and even opened Kansas in front of a large crowd. Classics, hard rock, blues and original recordings. It can do it all. Always get compliments.
the boogie has a lot more dimension and syrup than the Fender, I tried one of those made in USA Fender Blues Deluxe and the dirty channel sounded worthless, at least with the boogie they also give you a killer dirty side too. Boogie for me !
You can't tell which of two extremely different amps has a "better" tone by testing them with one set of settings. It would have been a lot more useful to dial them to similar tones. You have two amps with completely different tube types, here. a 2x6L6 widebody amp against a 2xEL84 small box amp? Had you put the F-50 Widebody combo up against the Blues Deluxe, you'd have had a more reasonable comparison. That version of the F-50, by the way, earned just the second five-star review ever given out by Guitarist magazine in the UK. The F-50 Widebody is a legendary amp.
David Allen Did you even read what I wrote? FTR, I play a early 2002 F-50 narrow chassis combo, same classic Boogie size as the F-30 shown here. According to what I've been told by Mesa, about 400 of these amps exist, and then they "revoiced" the circuit and put it in the Wide Body chassis, only.
The differences in tone between these two amps are exactly what I would expect, given their respective design and construction. The only factor I don't know is what driver is in the Blues Deluxe. The F-30 comes stock with a Celestion Vintage 30.
😹 I could wtire a novel about music gear. For versatility some Messas can be good and you can do a good distortion on amp plus another pedal boosting it sort of sound on some. I noticed that with the right distortion pedals, some fenders can sound good with distortion to my ears. My old really good guitar teacher (who I had after so many ok and bad ones for me L0L) had a Messa for Jazz and I don't remember which one but it sounded pretty lit to my ears. If I could pick another amp at a store when I try some, I am guessing it might be a Messa one, I do already have a small discontinued Ibanez acoustic amp which can get a good enough volume for cleans with my hollow bodies in venues not giant by itself and I could get it used with a mic in some venues. I also have a Boss Katana Mini for busking and stuff. My ears have hardly ever been very pleased with Marshall amps though. The Jazz Chorus amps are not my thing too and I heard and tried some my friend had when I was in music school. The Roland Cube x30 has some ok distortions and I usually don't record stuff with it even though It has a record output thing I could use with my Focusrite interface. Focusrite Interfsces have the best to my ears compared to many other different interfaces. My dream guitar will probably have a bolt on neck because from what I have heard and seen bolt on necks are easier to fix than neck through necks. May your gear hunting be worth while and don't forget to try gear to make sure in stores and many music stores can order gear for you to try before you decide weather to actually buy.
All depends which type of clean tone you want and whether you are ever going to change the EQ settings or not. To compare these more thoroughly you should sweep the treble, bass and mid knobs.
They both sound great...the Fender being just a hair more desirable clean that the Mesa...BUT I would rather have the Mesa simply because you get a great clean tone and a kick-ass distortion channel that the Fender can't match. Im currently using a Mesa Mark 5/25 head/mini stack - sounds amazing!
2 different tubes...you can't really make a comparison. Mesa makes amps with 6L6's too. The Filmore amp will put this Fender away and I agree you will get a better distortion with Mesa.
@@avelixcueto8839 agreed... different tubed. You can go really expensive and get the Mesas where you can switch between both types of tubed too. And of course we haven't discussed speakers. Eminence has some great and versatile choices. I forget of this Mesa has one but that Fender could benefit.
The Mesa to my ears is a fair bit quieter than the fender and I'm listening on studio monitors. It just doesn't sound like the Mesa is pushing that much air in the room with the speaker. But that's an issue some could argue about Mesa is that their amps are so damn loud that they just rattle the fillings out of your mouth with 1 power chord. It would also be interesting to see them played through the same speaker and cabinet too.
I do like Mesa amps but I love my Fender Blues Deluxe. The Fender's tone just sounds right for my playing,blues , country and rock. Also it's a great pedal platform due to its headroom. The Fender Blues Deluxe is the only two channel amp that I own 👍🎸
My Boogie Mark IV is the best sounding Fender amp I have ever owned! I used to own a 69' Princeton and a 68' Band Master. The Boogie is what I wanted my Princeton to be, but HEAVY. I sold both Fender amps after extensive A/B comparisons.
Hmm, while almost all Fender amps are well known for clean tones, Mesa has it's own version of 'clean' that plenty of musicians pay extra for, but I don't know about this particular Mesa model. The Mesa Lonestar is a well-known amp for clean tones.
I have a pre-CBS Fender Twin Reverb, and a Mesa Road King 2x12. The Road King has four clean preamp "voicings": clean, fat, tweed (copy of Fender), brit (copy of Marshall). Of them I mostly use the tweed setting. The Mesa blows away the Fender, making the Fender sound almost like it's built of cardboard or something. The exception is my Super 400 sounds too heavy with the Mesa but the lighter Fender sound works great.
Guys,no offence to Mesa fans... but *Nothing beats the FENDER Clean tone on the Siglen Coil pickups.. Impo that is. But thank you for the video either way:)
@@reneotten7376 Matter of opinion and it really takes time to learn to set it up. I ve owned two, now one, took me quite some time but there are a massive ranges of tone.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Never would have thought the Fender'd sound that much rounder & fatter... In a sparse mix like a jazz or blues trio, I'd go with the Fender to occupy as much space as possible. In a larger band context with, say, keyboards and/or a horns section, where sonic real estate is scarce, I'd pick the Boogie, and mix it to sit on top of the other instruments.
Fender sounds like a Fender. Mesa sounds like a Mesa. To each his own. I love Fender amps, but it seems like you really dailed in a sweet spot with the strat through the boogie.
Thanks for the demo!!! I did my own volume leveling for this video because volume always makes the louder one sound better. Fender was louder then the Boogie.
All the way the Mesa!! It is dynamic, it gives color, rounded tones and just what you need in terms of character for clean tones. The 2 guitars sang with the Mesa! I found the Fender Deluxe linear and a bit redundant and less dynamic. Great video, great playing !
Most accurate comment, based on Hearing them in person. I love em both. I own a 65 Princeton Reverb (going to the grave with it) and I'm getting a Rectoverb 25 = 2 Phenomenal amp's. Nice comparison.
The preamp of the mesa is a heavily modified blackface circuit. The distortion is a modified tweed preamp that's great with a ts in the front and eq in the loop without the contour for amazing 80's classic Rock, cock rock to heavy metal. Insanely good amps.
Les Paul sounds better through Fender amp. Strat sounds better through Mesa amp. Fender clear channel sounds fuller, rounder, more harmonic, and it fills the space (good for jazz). Mesa clear channel is more articulate, defined, dry sounding and it cuts through the mix (good for funk).
Its not often that I read someone's comments on RUclips and think, that comment could not be better stated and totally accurate and said with the fewest words possible. Nice work summarizing 'sangeliv'. Nice video too!
Agreed. But playing a jazz box through either the Fender or a Mesa (I own both): the Fender colourizes the sound Fenderish, the Mesa will let your jazz box shine in it s true nature. The Mesa is a better true clean pedal platform, the Fender will do fine, but will add the Fender layer over all you put in. After years playing lesser guitars through my Fender I m switched to playing better guitars (Duesey, Eastman) through my Mesa. The first option gives you the Fenderish realm. The latter let s the guitars shine.
to approach it from an audiophile perspective as opposed to musician , the mesa while tighter and perhaps a bit less colored would tend to give (me) listener fatigue more quickly than the fender.
I used to have a mesa F30 for a short while, never was a fan of it personally. I had a mesa dual caliber 50 1x12 combo and that was a great amp especially with the EQ panel. However the clean channel wasn't as good a hot rod deluxe or blues deluxe. Mesa Boogie are meant to have the gain turned up on clean channel to get a lovely crunch rhythm and the second channel for solos. Fender do 1 thing outstanding which is the clean channel. It's got great bottom end and power. I now have a hot rod deluxe again and use only the clean channel (drive and more drive on hot rods sound awful) so run t rex mud honey dual drive with left side of pedal set for perfect blues cruch rhythm and right side for solos. Being a blues guitarist personally fender amps are the best platform for clean channel to run pedals through
I own a Mesa amp for my bass guitar, and was a little disappointed it got shot down easily against the fender in this one for guitar. I guess I learned something
Pls don t. I own both. Boh can sound amazing. But comparing 6L6 and EL34 tubes? Thats a clear apples and pear thing. From my xperience the Fender is less versatile from its EQ amd has a OK sound dialed in more easily. The Mesa takes more knowledge and patience on what you re doing. Most people dial in way too hot. Both can and do sound amazing. Fender more the typical split high/low sound. Mesa can do both US high/low and UK mid based cleans. It s all in your fingers, dialing them in and your ears&taste ...
Id go with the Fender here but I also have an F50 that has really good cleans and lot more headroom obviously. The new 5:25 and 5:50 are really good i heard but they dont do distortion very well.
(nice playing, btw) 'Best' is, of course, subjective - they are just different clean tones (Boogie's Lone Star is my fav). That said, most will find Boogie's have a wider range of tones - their knobs deliver so many colors. Fender's are sort of (lovely) one trick ponies. My only comment here is I would not have chosen a F30 as representative of Boogie. A Mark V would have made much more sense. But, it seems like the the intent here is to compare lower cost option, so I get it.
I liked Fender better with Gibson, and Mesa better with Strat. Maybe it`s your settings, but Mesa pulled more of that strat bell-tone if you get me... The highs are more chimey. Gibson sounded warmer with Fender, jazzier. May i ask what scales are you playing with Gibson? Sounds awesome.
This is a strange test to me. I have a Mesa Rocket 44 which also has EL84 power tubes. This I would say is not as typical in a Mesa as most models, especially the iconic Mark Series, and Rectifier series usually are biased to work with 6L6. (Although there are many other configurations, including some that are switchable to handle different types of tubes) My Rocket, as well as the F30 share a similar tone, and while it is a nice and very usable clean, sounds to my ear a little brittle on the higher frequencies.
Why all this -versus- crap these days? I've played through amps in the past that have sounded horrible to my ears yet a friend loved the tones. With any true art, It's all up to personal tastes. And I'd personally love to find an amp that has it's own unique flavor. Not a boring emulation. No hands-across-america crap either. It's truth.
Very "strange" micing technique. The dynamic(vocal mic!) where it is the harshest and the proximity effect is the worst, and the condenser doesn't even listen to the amp(diaphragm is pointed to the window)!? One can still get the point but its far from optimal. Also the drive channel on the recent Fenders is not simply bad. At "barely on" volume almost every amp sucks. The thing is supposed to be cranked and create interaction between the pickups, speaker, chassis, and air.
My Mesa DC-3 clean channel connected to a fender cab sounds more fendery than my Blues junior and beats my Blues junior hands down .The DC-3 is actually built on the fender princeton circuit (Mesa were originally modified Princeton amps to add more gain....read the history ) , the later Mesa Boogies clean is more the vox ac 30 circuit so while the cleans are amazing , they are not exactly fendery.
yup the boogie yes why i said Peavey no idea , Mesa Boogie hand made in USA every one of them . My guitar tech opens all kinds of amps up to fix he said everything inside a Boogie is the best stuff nothing cheap or saucy . anyway nice video !
Not an apt comparison. Comparing apples with oranges. Try that Mesa with a Blues Junior, or the Deluxe with a Lonestar. Better yet, A/B the Fender with the new Mesa Fillmore 50!
A nice demo, generally - good job. Two points I wanted to make. 1) It seems the amp sounds could've been closer with some EQing. The Mesa was way more v-shaped in it's frequency range, and it didn't have to be, unless you were shooting for an all knobs at 12 o'clock comparison? And 2) the Fender had reverb and the Mesa was dry, and reverb is always going to make things sound a little sweeter.
I thought both sounded compressed with the mesa being more so. Then I realised it could be his choice of picks. Never would have guessed it ws the eq but it makes sense.
I thought both sounded compressed with the mesa being more so. Then I realised it could be his choice of picks. Never would have guessed it ws the eq but it makes sense.
That Mesa attitude comes through even on the clean channel. It’s a signature snarl, beautiful for leads.
I got so into the noodling I forgot why I was here lol nice playin man
Hey, Simon, great video! I like more the clean channel of the Fender, and I'm just starting to discover the value of a great clean tone amp, as I've been on the rock train until the last years. I used to think an amp that can handle dirty channels could do it with cleans, but now I'm getting great sounds from amps that doesnt need anything but one channel. May this kind of videos help young folks to know this!
Thanks mate
Thank you for doing this with humbuckers as well. Humbucker cleans are underrated. I think the Fender sounded warmer and rounder while the Mesa sounded clearer and tighter.
xMasterxRazorx 6L6 vs EL34
Agree. Humbucker cleans are nice.
I have a 65 fender deluxe reverb RI, a fender blues deluxe RI and a Mesa Maverick dual rectifier. I bought both fenders specifically to play clean and never use them now. The Mesa does it all. The Fenders are still good, they just fall short in comparison.
Awesome playing, man. In my experience nothing touches a mesa in the price range. They can do everything.
I play a Mesa Boogie F50 with a tubescreamer in front, I like it
Mesa F50 is fantastic!
Same here. I played small gigs, medium gigs and even opened Kansas in front of a large crowd. Classics, hard rock, blues and original recordings. It can do it all. Always get compliments.
the boogie has a lot more dimension and syrup than the Fender, I tried one of those made in USA Fender Blues Deluxe and the dirty channel sounded worthless, at least with the boogie they also give you a killer dirty side too. Boogie for me !
You can't tell which of two extremely different amps has a "better" tone by testing them with one set of settings. It would have been a lot more useful to dial them to similar tones. You have two amps with completely different tube types, here. a 2x6L6 widebody amp against a 2xEL84 small box amp? Had you put the F-50 Widebody combo up against the Blues Deluxe, you'd have had a more reasonable comparison. That version of the F-50, by the way, earned just the second five-star review ever given out by Guitarist magazine in the UK. The F-50 Widebody is a legendary amp.
I've had an F-50 for the last 15 years or so and have never wanted to play through anything else!
Mesa Boogie has a more direct and focused clean tone not much bassy overtones compared to this Fender tube amp
David Allen Did you even read what I wrote? FTR, I play a early 2002 F-50 narrow chassis combo, same classic Boogie size as the F-30 shown here. According to what I've been told by Mesa, about 400 of these amps exist, and then they "revoiced" the circuit and put it in the Wide Body chassis, only.
The differences in tone between these two amps are exactly what I would expect, given their respective design and construction. The only factor I don't know is what driver is in the Blues Deluxe. The F-30 comes stock with a Celestion Vintage 30.
😹 I could wtire a novel about music gear. For versatility some Messas can be good and you can do a good distortion on amp plus another pedal boosting it sort of sound on some. I noticed that with the right distortion pedals, some fenders can sound good with distortion to my ears. My old really good guitar teacher (who I had after so many ok and bad ones for me L0L) had a Messa for Jazz and I don't remember which one but it sounded pretty lit to my ears. If I could pick another amp at a store when I try some, I am guessing it might be a Messa one, I do already have a small discontinued Ibanez acoustic amp which can get a good enough volume for cleans with my hollow bodies in venues not giant by itself and I could get it used with a mic in some venues. I also have a Boss Katana Mini for busking and stuff. My ears have hardly ever been very pleased with Marshall amps though. The Jazz Chorus amps are not my thing too and I heard and tried some my friend had when I was in music school. The Roland Cube x30 has some ok distortions and I usually don't record stuff with it even though It has a record output thing I could use with my Focusrite interface. Focusrite Interfsces have the best to my ears compared to many other different interfaces. My dream guitar will probably have a bolt on neck because from what I have heard and seen bolt on necks are easier to fix than neck through necks. May your gear hunting be worth while and don't forget to try gear to make sure in stores and many music stores can order gear for you to try before you decide weather to actually buy.
All depends which type of clean tone you want and whether you are ever going to change the EQ settings or not. To compare these more thoroughly you should sweep the treble, bass and mid knobs.
They both sound great...the Fender being just a hair more desirable clean that the Mesa...BUT I would rather have the Mesa simply because you get a great clean tone and a kick-ass distortion channel that the Fender can't match. Im currently using a Mesa Mark 5/25 head/mini stack - sounds amazing!
2 different tubes...you can't really make a comparison. Mesa makes amps with 6L6's too. The Filmore amp will put this Fender away and I agree you will get a better distortion with Mesa.
@@avelixcueto8839 agreed... different tubed. You can go really expensive and get the Mesas where you can switch between both types of tubed too.
And of course we haven't discussed speakers. Eminence has some great and versatile choices. I forget of this Mesa has one but that Fender could benefit.
Nice playing.
The Mesa to my ears is a fair bit quieter than the fender and I'm listening on studio monitors. It just doesn't sound like the Mesa is pushing that much air in the room with the speaker. But that's an issue some could argue about Mesa is that their amps are so damn loud that they just rattle the fillings out of your mouth with 1 power chord. It would also be interesting to see them played through the same speaker and cabinet too.
I do like Mesa amps but I love my Fender Blues Deluxe. The Fender's tone just sounds right for my playing,blues , country and rock. Also it's a great pedal platform due to its headroom. The Fender Blues Deluxe is the only two channel amp that I own 👍🎸
The fender is warmer sounding....
My Boogie Mark IV is the best sounding Fender amp I have ever owned! I used to own a 69' Princeton and a 68' Band Master. The Boogie is what I wanted my Princeton to be, but HEAVY. I sold both Fender amps after extensive A/B comparisons.
Fender is 'better', it's more organic, silky and warmer. There's kind of a brash metallic midrange honk on the mesa.
Your playing is so killer here!
Thanks friend
Hmm, while almost all Fender amps are well known for clean tones, Mesa has it's own version of 'clean' that plenty of musicians pay extra for, but I don't know about this particular Mesa model. The Mesa Lonestar is a well-known amp for clean tones.
I have a pre-CBS Fender Twin Reverb, and a Mesa Road King 2x12. The Road King has four clean preamp "voicings": clean, fat, tweed (copy of Fender), brit (copy of Marshall). Of them I mostly use the tweed setting. The Mesa blows away the Fender, making the Fender sound almost like it's built of cardboard or something. The exception is my Super 400 sounds too heavy with the Mesa but the lighter Fender sound works great.
Guys,no offence to Mesa fans... but *Nothing beats the FENDER Clean tone on the Siglen Coil pickups..
Impo that is.
But thank you for the video either way:)
Got a Mesa Express. The clean channel is fantastic and much more versatile than a Reverb Deluxe.
But the gain sucks.
@@reneotten7376 Matter of opinion and it really takes time to learn to set it up. I ve owned two, now one, took me quite some time but there are a massive ranges of tone.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Never would have thought the Fender'd sound that much rounder & fatter... In a sparse mix like a jazz or blues trio, I'd go with the Fender to occupy as much space as possible. In a larger band context with, say, keyboards and/or a horns section, where sonic real estate is scarce, I'd pick the Boogie, and mix it to sit on top of the other instruments.
Christoph Rauch You are right! I'm just realizing this, and will take your comment as an advise!
Christoph Rauch You do know the Fender is 6L6 and the Boogie is EL34 don't you. He should have compared an F50 or 5.50 with the Fender.
The Mesa does get rounder and fatter once the gain it's past 12 oclock, it even says on the manual!
@@itsdaviaquino or he could have just turned a god damn EQ knob lol
Fender sounds like a Fender. Mesa sounds like a Mesa. To each his own. I love Fender amps, but it seems like you really dailed in a sweet spot with the strat through the boogie.
Thanks for the demo!!! I did my own volume leveling for this video because volume always makes the louder one sound better. Fender was louder then the Boogie.
All the way the Mesa!! It is dynamic, it gives color, rounded tones and just what you need in terms of character for clean tones. The 2 guitars sang with the Mesa! I found the Fender Deluxe linear and a bit redundant and less dynamic. Great video, great playing !
Love this sort of thing great job Simon.
Thank You For Your Excellent Comparison Test .
No worries buddy
I love Fender and I own a Princeton, but the Mesa sounds more natural & punchy
I have both amps and both guitars. Nice comparison, I perfer the fender for cleans and Mesa for distortion
Most accurate comment, based on Hearing them in person. I love em both. I own a 65 Princeton Reverb (going to the grave with it) and I'm getting a Rectoverb 25 = 2 Phenomenal amp's. Nice comparison.
The preamp of the mesa is a heavily modified blackface circuit. The distortion is a modified tweed preamp that's great with a ts in the front and eq in the loop without the contour for amazing 80's classic Rock, cock rock to heavy metal. Insanely good amps.
Nice playing!
Les Paul sounds better through Fender amp. Strat sounds better through Mesa amp. Fender clear channel sounds fuller, rounder, more harmonic, and it fills the space (good for jazz). Mesa clear channel is more articulate, defined, dry sounding and it cuts through the mix (good for funk).
Its not often that I read someone's comments on RUclips and think, that comment could not be better stated and totally accurate and said with the fewest words possible. Nice work summarizing 'sangeliv'.
Nice video too!
Completely agree.
Agreed.
But playing a jazz box through either the Fender or a Mesa (I own both): the Fender colourizes the sound Fenderish, the Mesa will let your jazz box shine in it s true nature.
The Mesa is a better true clean pedal platform, the Fender will do fine, but will add the Fender layer over all you put in.
After years playing lesser guitars through my Fender I m switched to playing better guitars (Duesey, Eastman) through my Mesa. The first option gives you the Fenderish realm. The latter let s the guitars shine.
When you’re trying to listen carefully ABing two amps, best thing is always a load of loud drums to help things along
awesome playing👏👏👏
I like Les Paul into Blues Deluxe! 😃
The Carvin x100Bs with the 6L6gc tubes had the best clean tone
Best video on the net ... just got this fender
Easy killer with the "best video on the net." Really? Pull yourself together.
nice playing! the les paul is the clear winner here.
Use some good headphones and you can hear how much better the fender sounds I’m using Bose
great video , both very clean - fender more lush . Gemma has a point but I still hear the fender tone more lush and warm.
to approach it from an audiophile perspective as opposed to musician , the mesa while tighter and perhaps a bit less colored would tend to
give (me) listener fatigue more quickly than the fender.
I like the boogie better, notes are crisper, cuts through clearer.
Strat+mesa=💥
The Fender had a fuller tone , the Messa sound thin, with little mid or bass.
Consider where the tone knobs were set, sure. With the treble that high, it reduces the effectiveness of the mids and bass.
Mesa win ! More round and smooth, and stand clear in front of us.Thanks for this video !!
I’d definitely say the fender was more rounded and full and the Mesa sounded jangly and thinner
@@ryang3225 y CCd/w
great playing
Ver y useful!
Great vid. Deserves a lot more views.
I’ve owned both, they are great for different purposes
I found the Mesa's low and high was not balanced compared to Fender's
Fender has the sound , the soul.
I used to have a mesa F30 for a short while, never was a fan of it personally. I had a mesa dual caliber 50 1x12 combo and that was a great amp especially with the EQ panel. However the clean channel wasn't as good a hot rod deluxe or blues deluxe. Mesa Boogie are meant to have the gain turned up on clean channel to get a lovely crunch rhythm and the second channel for solos. Fender do 1 thing outstanding which is the clean channel. It's got great bottom end and power. I now have a hot rod deluxe again and use only the clean channel (drive and more drive on hot rods sound awful) so run t rex mud honey dual drive with left side of pedal set for perfect blues cruch rhythm and right side for solos. Being a blues guitarist personally fender amps are the best platform for clean channel to run pedals through
It would help if the drum track wasn't louder than the guitar tone
It's not. Use some decent speakers.
I own a Mesa amp for my bass guitar, and was a little disappointed it got shot down easily against the fender in this one for guitar. I guess I learned something
Pls don t. I own both. Boh can sound amazing. But comparing 6L6 and EL34 tubes? Thats a clear apples and pear thing.
From my xperience the Fender is less versatile from its EQ amd has a OK sound dialed in more easily. The Mesa takes more knowledge and patience on what you re doing. Most people dial in way too hot.
Both can and do sound amazing. Fender more the typical split high/low sound. Mesa can do both US high/low and UK mid based cleans.
It s all in your fingers, dialing them in and your ears&taste ...
thanks for the effort....
Huh?
I like the playing and tone, but can you tell me what volume this is? see you wearing earplugs so I assume deafening? :p
Had it up fairly high, both amps mega loud!
i like the Fender. Mesa sounds thin in comparison. Strangely enough I liked the mesa for the strat though.
Id go with the Fender here but I also have an F50 that has really good cleans and lot more headroom obviously. The new 5:25 and 5:50 are really good i heard but they dont do distortion very well.
i agree i have a express 25 good for clean and really good for crunch but not a fan of the gain channel
Can I ask please what settings you have on your phone the ramp for this sounds beautiful
Can you please teach the solo on ‘always where i need to be’ by the kooks i know the chords but cant figure out the solo
Have both Fender Blues Deville and the Lonestar both sound great and different
Lone star
Definitely. The cleans on a Lonestar are legendary.
Great playing!
I like the Mesa better between those models
(nice playing, btw) 'Best' is, of course, subjective - they are just different clean tones (Boogie's Lone Star is my fav). That said, most will find Boogie's have a wider range of tones - their knobs deliver so many colors. Fender's are sort of (lovely) one trick ponies. My only comment here is I would not have chosen a F30 as representative of Boogie. A Mark V would have made much more sense. But, it seems like the the intent here is to compare lower cost option, so I get it.
I liked Fender better with Gibson, and Mesa better with Strat. Maybe it`s your settings, but Mesa pulled more of that strat bell-tone if you get me... The highs are more chimey. Gibson sounded warmer with Fender, jazzier.
May i ask what scales are you playing with Gibson? Sounds awesome.
This is a strange test to me. I have a Mesa Rocket 44 which also has EL84 power tubes. This I would say is not as typical in a Mesa as most models, especially the iconic Mark Series, and Rectifier series usually are biased to work with 6L6. (Although there are many other configurations, including some that are switchable to handle different types of tubes) My Rocket, as well as the F30 share a similar tone, and while it is a nice and very usable clean, sounds to my ear a little brittle on the higher frequencies.
the fender of course a more recognizable sound...
i would run the fender dry and fx in the boogie's loop at the same time
LOVE my TC-50!!!
Fender for sure.
fender for me
Great playing! I have both these amps and if I try real hard I can make my F-30 sound as thin and lifeless as yours. An F-30 sounds better than that.
+David H. The F30 sounds amazing in person. The Fender had more oomph though, even in the room.
I think the Mesa might be more similar to a black plate style Fender than a tweed style one.
Fender all the way!
Between these two I'd take the fender but would rather have a vox.
Why all this -versus- crap these days? I've played through amps in the past that have sounded horrible to my ears yet a friend loved the tones. With any true art, It's all up to personal tastes. And I'd personally love to find an amp that has it's own unique flavor. Not a boring emulation. No hands-across-america crap either. It's truth.
Wrong amps..
The Fender Clean tone is the Twin Reverb and its competitor is Mesa Boogie Mark lV not these two amps
I thik you would be ok with a transister amp,for you style,
Mesa and Les Paul, Strat and Hot Rod
Fender hands down for Clean tone/thats where Mesa got their clean from !!!###
Very "strange" micing technique. The dynamic(vocal mic!) where it is the harshest and the proximity effect is the worst, and the condenser doesn't even listen to the amp(diaphragm is pointed to the window)!? One can still get the point but its far from optimal. Also the drive channel on the recent Fenders is not simply bad. At "barely on" volume almost every amp sucks. The thing is supposed to be cranked and create interaction between the pickups, speaker, chassis, and air.
Mesa seems a little to hollow and thin for me.
Fender has a really unique clean. You can’t really beat it
thx
just a little bit more gain on f30 and it would be a for more fair comparison but in this case fender is better (or fatter)
My Mesa DC-3 clean channel connected to a fender cab sounds more fendery than my Blues junior and beats my Blues junior hands down .The DC-3 is actually built on the fender princeton circuit (Mesa were originally modified Princeton amps to add more gain....read the history ) , the later Mesa Boogies clean is more the vox ac 30 circuit so while the cleans are amazing , they are not exactly fendery.
Mesa is super clean and impressive but a bit ice picky, the Fender was much more warm and musical IMHO.
great playing on the studio and i thought the Peavey amp sounded better than the Fender amp ! just my .02 cents
jixxxxer17 boogie amp? 😅
yup the boogie yes why i said Peavey no idea , Mesa Boogie hand made in USA every one of them . My guitar tech opens all kinds of amps up to fix he said everything inside a Boogie is the best stuff nothing cheap or saucy . anyway nice video !
Mesa is the natural son of Fender... But I choose Mesa.
that's weird, I have these exact two same amps. Had them for 6 years.
Fender by far...organic,warm....
Clean Sound Well Fender of Course,,Mesa is okay but you can almost hear the Break up, Compared to Deluxe
Damn, they both sound good to me. Why not buy both and split into each, twice the tone for twice the $$
I’ve owned both. Fender, hands down.
Mesa is way more chimey, clearer. Fender is thicker, warmer, but less articulate.
The fender comps better, but the Mesa has a throatier solo tone.
Why are you comparing 6L6 and EL84s? Huge fail.
Fender just sounds sweeter. Maybe it is it's reverb?
Fender best on clean crunch.
Mesa best on crunch distortion.
Marshall best on distortion fuzz.
Fenda effthitree
Not an apt comparison. Comparing apples with oranges. Try that Mesa with a Blues Junior, or the Deluxe with a Lonestar. Better yet, A/B the Fender with the new Mesa Fillmore 50!