Spa 3 Wire System, Not 4 Wire Electrical System
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- petersonelectr... - Showing you a hot tub that was tripping and blowing the breaker. It was designed as a 3-wire tub, but had been wired incorrectly as a 4-wire tub.
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Does the neutral from the cutting off breaker still have to be connected to the incoming neutral from the main panel
“Do what ya need I don’t care”. I love that for some reason it was funny as hell
Enjoy your videos. Have learned from them and they have also clarified the process. But your banner on the bottom blocks out items you are explaining about at times. Maybe limit it to the left third of the video as your body is normally in the shot at that location. Thanks and keep posting.
The GFCI is to protect the people in the hot tub?
So you put your ground from the tub under the middle neutral screw on the breaker and your pigtail is going to the ground bar in the panel?
The tub could get away with 50 amps, but Sundance allows to have both pumps on high speed while running the heater. There are jumpers on the circuit board in the "JP9" cluster that changes the operation Logic to use 40A, 50A, or 60A depending on the available power. On 50A you can only have one pump on high speed with the heater, and 40A only allows to have pump 1 on low speed with the heater.
Hey thanks for the video, keep em comin. So, the gfci breaker in the panel reads the amperage through the hots and will trip if there is discrepancies in returning amps which would indicate an electrocution or fault taking place?
I did not wire this, listen to the video. Your done, when you attack me I delete and block you from seeing anything from us in the future.
You're not your.
Do you have a diagram for wiring a three wire Jucuzzi tub, including the gfci disconnect box?
If I connect ground, it trips gfci breaker. It’s a dedicated circuit from the main panel in the garage, with a disconnect about 8 feet from the tub. There is a neutral run, but not connected at the tub. Seeing a full diagram would be great. Did I mention I don’t like three wire systems.
75 degree table for breaker lugs
90 is for motors
You are wiring a gfi 75degree table
Yes and no. Anything under 100 amp over current is 75 degree.
Please check 110.14 for connections. I thought it said that for < 100 amp connections use the 60 degree column unless the terminal/ breaker is marked as rated for higher.
Great video, thanks for a great explanation. Thanks for taking the time to produce it. Keep doing what you do and ignore the kibbutzers and arm-chair hecklers.
So then there’s no need to come out w a neutral from the breaker ?! If it doesn’t get landed in the spa?! Just a ground bonded to the disco?!
It's 90c wire but you have to use the 60c column under 100 amps
Came here to say the same thing
Your lil banner across the bottom is proud view blocker. not all the time, yet it is a distraction!
Did you unhook the ground?
I hope not
Let me ask you a question. I have a new hot tub to replace an old 3 wire hot tub. Previous hot tub ran 6/3 with no ground on a 50 amp. New hot tub requires a ground. My plan was to plastic conduit and 4 thhn 6 gauge wires from the disconnect. That part is easy. Question is, around the disconnect panel. I know I need to update to a 60 amp and I assume I need to update the disconnect since it has a single neutral bar, and no separate ground bar? Correct?
Also, the previous setup had 6/3 no ground direct burial from main panel. Does that need upgraded? This will be a pain. Does not having a ground to disconnect defeat the purpose. Finally, assuming I need to update the main panel breaker to 60 amp too.
Could I perhaps just put the gfci in the main panel and continue to use the 6/3 no ground? I already know that answer
Thanks joe
I have a sub panel in a garage, fed by 4 wires (2 hot, neutral, and ground). The neutral bar in the sub panel is not bonded to ground and I believe/read it should NEVER be bonded in a sub panel. I have 3 things attached to the sub panel- a three prong outlet for a compressor, an air conditioner (3 wire), and an electric garage heater (3 wire). All are 240v (or 220?). I do not have a separate grounding rod for the sub panel. The sub is 4 feet from the main panel and I added a grounding bar to the sub panel. *****The question is... should the ground for each of the 3 connections be connected to the ground bar or neutral bar in the sub panel? I cannot find the answer anywhere!!! Thanks!
The ground bar!
I enjoyed the vidio but at the end the vid finished before you were done please extend it thanks. if possible
My electrician wired up 4 wires to my Sundance 680 Mckinley tub that only should have three wires. Smoke came from the tub, there was an electrical burn smell. The tub ran for a while then stopped showing a flow code error.
Do you know what damage could have been done, what needs to be repaired and if the tub is safe to use? I think the smoke may have came from a pump motor or heater. Thank you!
Do you know what damage was done and of the tub is safe to use
its hard to smoke out a motor or heater. my guess is your control board fried a relay or something.
If the tub doesn’t need a neutral why not cap off the neutral, instead of the ground? I know in my area it needs to have a ground.
You could use the Neutral on the load side as a ground and then cap the other. The Neutral is in a larger conductor and the ground is smaller. You can use color 3M tape and use which every one. It just matters that the Neutral is not connected on the disconnect to the spa Neutral lug on the spa. This is a Sun Dance Spa and they do not want four wires from the disconnect to the spa. But from the panel in the house you have to have four wires to help trip the GFCI spa disconnect
Peterson Electric - Hey I didn’t connect the neutral to the jacuzzi, I what I see in your comments, the GFCI breaker still work right?
@@MsMKBOY only on the hot wires.
Peterson Electric kinda confused so do u have the neutral on the gfci connected to the ground on tub because I seen you cap the ground most I seen there’s no wire common off the neutral on the gfci it’s just the ground on panel to group on tub
We have taken this down for future videos, but the old videos we cannot take it down.
I am having the same problem i also have a sundance (3wire) the attached pic is the GFCI (all conductors are 6 AWG) i have 4 i was just going to cap the white between the GFCI and tub so if i understand this correctly the green wire from the tub (or white if its the larger gage in your case) should land on the middle terminal on the GFCI breaker and the white pigtail should land on the neutral bar also u said isolated neutral in the GFCI box so i should make sure the bonding bar is not installed? so in the GFCI disconnect box it should be..
Feed form house
Red - Hot lug
Black - Hot lug
White - Neutral bar (lug)
Green - Ground bar
Load to tub
Red - Hot breaker terminal
Black - Hot breaker terminal
White - Caped
Green - Center breaker terminal
Pigtail - Neutral bar
(bonding bar disconnected)
?
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found my own problem.... thats what i get for buying a disconnect box/GFCI breaker 2nd hand for $20 vs the 100 at the DIY stores...it was a bad GFCI breaker!!! it was wired right...heres how i found it ..if u wanta test to see if your GFCI breaker is actually working disconnect the loads from it or disconnect the load lines on the tub, and try just truing on the breaker by itself no load on it if it still trips the breaker has to be bad
@@brandonoh777 So I am installing a 50 amp gfci disconnect box and going to hook up a sundance hamilton 3 wire tub. So am I correct to state that from main panel to sub panel is
red hot
black hot
white isolated
green ground.
From GFCI to box
pigtail to isolated common
Red to hot side of Breaker
Black to hot side of Breaker
No connection to Common connection on Breaker?
Thanks
Yep. Everyone is an electrician.
like your videos but that huge banner at the bottom seems to always be blocking out what you are showing .....not hate just something i have noticed on some videos. Good content though, thanks
Yah, about two years ago we decided to take it down, it is impossible to go back and take that down over 700 videos, 10 yrs later.
Your sign is blocking most of the video, cant see shit